kitchen knives

[TimG]

It's been decided that we need a 'real' set of kitchen knives.

The big decision right now is whether we go eastern/japanese style or western style.

I think i'd rather invest the money in a chef knife, paring knife, and a honing rod rather than buying one of those 20 piece sets. I saw some wicked looking japanese knives from Calphalon, but I have absolutely no experience in using them. Do they really require that much more maintenance compared to western knives?

[wjjeeper]

We rently bought a set of Wusthoffs and couldn't be happier.

[89coupe]

Yes, high carbon steel knives need to be oiled regulary or they will rust. Rust can taint your food and well make the knife look like shit.

For a home owner, a good stainless steel knife is a much better choice.

I own a set of Wusthof knives and trust me, they are deadly sharp.

The best thing to do when shopping for a good set of knives is to hold them in your hand and find something that feels good to you. Something that feels balanced and comfortable.

I have 12 knives in my set so far. My favorite knife being the Santoku knife.

My knife set.

http://www.performance-shop.com/bradsstuff/IMG_0113_1.jpg

[Pacman]

I just bought the Calphalons you are talking about. At first, I bought the Calphalon Comtemporary set but then exchanged them for the "Katana" set which are the Japanese ones you are talking about.

They were $400 at Home OUtfitters but wait for the 20% off coupon in the flyer.

They seem to work well....but I'm not a professional chef so I can't give you any comparative reviews.

James

[dj_rice]

Originally posted by 89coupe


The best thing to do when shopping for a good set of knives is to hold them in your hand and find something that feels good to you. Something that feels balanced and comfortable.



http://www.performance-shop.com/bradsstuff/IMG_0113_1.jpg



Wow you've certainly learned alot from back then....:thumbsup: good job Luke Skywalker


Assuming your a noobie into the kitchen world, a set of JA Henkels will do you fine, not too pricy and good quality worksmanship and will last you awhile and super sharp :), you dont need those other fancy Wusthoffs, Globals, yada yada as you have no experience with them and would be just a waste..althought they'll look nice on the kitchen counter :thumbsup:

[TimG]

Originally posted by Pacman
I just bought the Calphalons you are talking about. At first, I bought the Calphalon Comtemporary set but then exchanged them for the "Katana" set which are the Japanese ones you are talking about.

They were $400 at Home OUtfitters but wait for the 20% off coupon in the flyer.

They seem to work well....but I'm not a professional chef so I can't give you any comparative reviews.

James

those were the ones that I saw, but they didn't have a price on it.

How do you find them? I'd like to get some japanese style knives, but I'm a bit worried about the upkeep and maintenance... I have no problem using a honing rod before each use, but what about sharpening or using a whet stone?

I have a decent sharpener already, but I think it would ruin a japanese style blade because of the different angle of the edge.

[Gondi Stylez]

First, buying "knife sets" is a COMPLETE WASTE of money... so whatever you do dont go down that path!

Second, japanese knifes require FAR MORE attention and maintence so I would recommend you stay clear of carbon steel knives until you become more adept in the kitchen.

89coupes knife collection looks good and Wusthof is a great company.

I also agree with dj_rice in that JA Henckells will give you a solid knife for much less than most other knife brands. Global, Kycero, Wusthof are pretty pricey and unless you are a serious cook I would suggest you spend the extra miney else where.

As you have already stated you have chosen a few knifes that you want to start with and later can always increase your collection. JA will fit your needs and they can be had for a very resonable price at The Bay, Home Outfiters, Home Sense, etc.

Personally I'm a HUGE Wusthof fan and my knives from that brand consist of only the Grand Prix II and Culinar series because of the weight and feel in my hand. I also own Masahiro japanese knives which I use for sushi and the like. I also own a ceramic knife and that does the job pretty good but it's fragile so that sucks.

[Gondi Stylez]

Originally posted by TimG


those were the ones that I saw, but they didn't have a price on it.

How do you find them? I'd like to get some japanese style knives, but I'm a bit worried about the upkeep and maintenance... I have no problem using a honing rod before each use, but what about sharpening or using a whet stone?

I have a decent sharpener already, but I think it would ruin a japanese style blade because of the different angle of the edge.

I sharpen my Jap knives with a wet stone. I find this the best way to keep the right handed edge. Also, IMHO I dont think Jap knives would be the best bet for everyday cooking. I only own 2 carbon steel knives and they are reserved for Jap style preparations that require such a knife

[jf97talon]

CUTCO!

[drew_goring]

Originally posted by jf97talon
CUTCO!

:rofl:

[Strider]

Originally posted by dj_rice

Assuming your a noobie into the kitchen world, a set of JA Henkels will do you fine, not too pricy and good quality worksmanship and will last you awhile and super sharp :), you dont need those other fancy Wusthoffs, Globals, yada yada as you have no experience with them and would be just a waste..althought they'll look nice on the kitchen counter :thumbsup:



Originally posted by Gondi Stylez
I also agree with dj_rice in that JA Henckells will give you a solid knife for much less than most other knife brands. Global, Kycero, Wusthof are pretty pricey and unless you are a serious cook I would suggest you spend the extra miney else where.

As you have already stated you have chosen a few knifes that you want to start with and later can always increase your collection. JA will fit your needs and they can be had for a very resonable price at The Bay, Home Outfiters, Home Sense, etc.

Personally I'm a HUGE Wusthof fan and my knives from that brand consist of only the Grand Prix II and Culinar series because of the weight and feel in my hand. I also own Masahiro japanese knives which I use for sushi and the like. I also own a ceramic knife and that does the job pretty good but it's fragile so that sucks.


Keep in mind that if you do go the Henckels route, there are different grades ranging from the "Value Brand" (logo has one man) to the "Premium" (logo has two men), to the Professional S series. Try and stay away from the value brand, as they are of lesser quality, and generally made in mexico or china.

If you're looking for a deal, check out Homesense. I bought a Henckels Professional S chef knife (with a minor cosmetic defect) for $25... comparably $200 at the Bay. I think they also occasionally have Wusthof, but I don't know which line.

[Pacman]

Originally posted by TimG


those were the ones that I saw, but they didn't have a price on it.

How do you find them? I'd like to get some japanese style knives, but I'm a bit worried about the upkeep and maintenance... I have no problem using a honing rod before each use, but what about sharpening or using a whet stone?

I have a decent sharpener already, but I think it would ruin a japanese style blade because of the different angle of the edge.

I was also concerned with the blades rusting and having to maintain them.

Since they have a lifetime warranty, I have really tried to abuse them a bit to see if I could get them to rust. I've left them wet, in the sink for a full day and there have been no problems at all.

I'm sure the really really expsensive knives have lots of carbon steel in them....but these seem more like a mid range set, so they probably just like the other ones out there.

If you don't end up buying these Katana Calphalons....try their "Contemporary" set. They are $229 and are really good quality as well. The only reason we bought the expensive ones was because we had a gift certificate for Home Outfitters and decided to splurge on the more expensive set as there was nothing else we really wanted from there.

James

[Gondi Stylez]

Originally posted by Pacman


I was also concerned with the blades rusting and having to maintain them.

Since they have a lifetime warranty, I have really tried to abuse them a bit to see if I could get them to rust. I've left them wet, in the sink for a full day and there have been no problems at all.

I'm sure the really really expsensive knives have lots of carbon steel in them....but these seem more like a mid range set, so they probably just like the other ones out there.

If you don't end up buying these Katana Calphalons....try their "Contemporary" set. They are $229 and are really good quality as well. The only reason we bought the expensive ones was because we had a gift certificate for Home Outfitters and decided to splurge on the more expensive set as there was nothing else we really wanted from there.

James

hmmm... are you guys taking about REAL Jap knives made out of carbon steel or about the style of knife blade (ie. Santoku?) If its the latter than it is not made out of carbon steel.. which is why there is no tranishing and rust!

the santoku blade has pretty much taken over the old chefs knife... i perfer the santoku but many still use and prefer the traditional chef knife!

[Pacman]

Originally posted by Gondi Stylez


hmmm... are you guys taking about REAL Jap knives made out of carbon steel or about the style of knife blade (ie. Santoku?) If its the latter than it is not made out of carbon steel.. which is why there is no tranishing and rust!

the santoku blade has pretty much taken over the old chefs knife... i perfer the santoku but many still use and prefer the traditional chef knife!

I'm talking about this specific ones. Japanese style. They blades look kinda cool as they have a neat pattern on the blade. I think it's called a damascus style as they blades are folded metal....but that's only what friends have told me so I'm not 100% sure on that.

http://www.calphalon.com/calphalon/consumer/products/subProductLine.jhtml?catId=CLCat100469

James

[Gondi Stylez]

Originally posted by Pacman


I'm talking about this specific ones. Japanese style. They blades look kinda cool as they have a neat pattern on the blade. I think it's called a damascus style as they blades are folded metal....but that's only what friends have told me so I'm not 100% sure on that.

http://www.calphalon.com/calphalon/consumer/products/subProductLine.jhtml?catId=CLCat100469

James

ah yes, those are not made out of carbon steel so they are not real japanese knives! thus they will not rust and do not require the TLC that carbon steel knives need.

the knife you are referring to is called a santoku knife which is the japanese equivalent to our north american chef's knife. the detail on the side of the knife is called a graton edge which helps with friction and provides a cleaner more effecient cut!

[Pacman]

Originally posted by Gondi Stylez


ah yes, those are not made out of carbon steel so they are not real japanese knives! thus they will not rust and do not require the TLC that carbon steel knives need.

the knife you are referring to is called a santoku knife which is the japanese equivalent to our north american chef's knife. the detail on the side of the knife is called a graton edge which helps with friction and provides a cleaner more effecient cut!

So is the only difference between real Japanese knives and these Calphalon ones the carbon steel content?

These ones claim to be made from VG-1 Japanese steel....I have no idea what that means but read on a few websites that the steel was supposed to be quite strong.

I can confirm that they don't rust........

[CaptainReboot]

We got a Kyrocera Ceramic Chef's Knife from Holt Renfrew.

That thing is damn sexy and sharp as hell.

[Gondi Stylez]

Originally posted by Pacman


So is the only difference between real Japanese knives and these Calphalon ones the carbon steel content?

These ones claim to be made from VG-1 Japanese steel....I have no idea what that means but read on a few websites that the steel was supposed to be quite strong.

I can confirm that they don't rust........

Yes I read that also on their website and it says that 16 layers are of carbon steel or whatnot and I assuming that the exterior layers are stainless steel... i doubt they are lying but they are definatley not 100% carbon steel like my sushi knives...

great company though and look like a great set of knives! I have never used or heard that Caphalon made knives but I can only assume that they are in the same bracket as better JAH knives?!


Originally posted by CaptainReboot
We got a Kyrocera Ceramic Chef's Knife from Holt Renfrew.

That thing is damn sexy and sharp as hell.

I have one of these also but the fragility of these knives should be more than enough reason to stay away from them if you don't have any other metal knives. IMHO ceramic knives are great for everyday but with an unexperienced chef/home cook they can easily break and thus would be money down the drain. I would suggest buying some high quality stainless knives then investing in a ceramic knife or two for the look, sharpness and use it for carving a roast chicken or roast beef table side until you become more adept in the kitchen! Although, my ceramic is one of my favorite knives in my collection

[eblend]

whats wrong with Cutco?

I got a few cutco knifes and once my parents used them they haven't used any other knives in the house

[89coupe]

Originally posted by Gondi Stylez


hmmm... are you guys taking about REAL Jap knives made out of carbon steel or about the style of knife blade (ie. Santoku?) If its the latter than it is not made out of carbon steel.. which is why there is no tranishing and rust!

the santoku blade has pretty much taken over the old chefs knife... i perfer the santoku but many still use and prefer the traditional chef knife!

LOL, he was talking about the construction of the blade:rofl:

Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel

[Gondi Stylez]

Originally posted by 89coupe


LOL, he was talking about the construction of the blade:rofl:

Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel

opps.... i should read better! :D

[Schwa]

Can someone explain why a "knife set" is a bad idea? :confused:

[Si_FlyGuy]

It's better to spend the same amount of money on the 3 or 4 knives that you will regularly use than to spread it out over a 10-12 items that you won't.

In all reality for most things, you can get away with a santoku, chinese cleaver, paring/utility knife, and a chef's knife.

[89coupe]

Originally posted by Schwa
Can someone explain why a "knife set" is a bad idea? :confused:

Its not a bad idea, in fact you will end up spending less money then buying them individually, thats why they sell them in sets ;)

I have a contact in Michigan if you are interested in a good knife set for half the cost you would see them in the stores.

I bought my set from him, great service, fast shipping and the best prices.

[Rav4Guy]

Henckels Knives

I have knives from the Twin Cuisin set. fabulous knives!

http://www.zwilling.com/locale/en_ww/index.php

make sure the steel is from Germany and not Mexico!

[dj_rice]

Originally posted by Rav4Guy
Henckels Knives

I have knives from the Twin Cuisin set. fabulous knives!

http://www.zwilling.com/locale/en_ww/index.php

make sure the steel is from Germany and not Mexico!


:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

My knives are from the Five Star series and I bought them in 2000 and they're still sharp as shit today...it cuts stuff like BUTTER :nut:

[Gondi Stylez]

what did you decide on?

[MikeHL]

I'd say get few Victorinox knives first they are relativly cheap. learn how to chop, cut, dice you know knife handling skills. Also learn how to hone/sharpen a knife. Then after you are confident with your skills you can upgrade.

Or in car sense, start with a civic before you buy a s2000 haha

[TurboMedic]

Holy fuckin ghey advice there......Listen, buy some nice knives, take care of them, and they will last you a lifetime....All of this "start on a cheap set" bullshit is lame-o....they're knives!

I like Kyocera ceramics, but the handles and weight of the knives isn't very nice....keep one around for cutting veggies!

[CasperWho]

Henkels. You can't go wrong. :thumbsup:

[Gondi Stylez]

Originally posted by MikeHL
I'd say get few Victorinox knives first they are relativly cheap. learn how to chop, cut, dice you know knife handling skills. Also learn how to hone/sharpen a knife. Then after you are confident with your skills you can upgrade.

Or in car sense, start with a civic before you buy a s2000 haha

:nut:

[dj_rice]

Originally posted by TurboMedic
Holy fuckin ghey advice there......Listen, buy some nice knives, take care of them, and they will last you a lifetime....All of this "start on a cheap set" bullshit is lame-o....they're knives!

I like Kyocera ceramics, but the handles and weight of the knives isn't very nice....keep one around for cutting veggies!



THEY ARE NOT JUST KNIVES......any chef would bitchslap you right now for saying that..........:rofl: :rofl:





But anywayz listen to the advice from the ppl who are actually speaking of experience in the culinary world or have some knowledge than the ppl who are speaking outta their ass

[MikeHL]

FFS I didn't say start cheap, I said start with a DECENT set of
knifes then move on up. If you give a newbie a set of gobal's hes just going to mess up the blade. Trust me learn how to use a knife first then think about investing a good chunk of change on a set. Of course if you already know then just ignore my advice.

Its better to chip a $50 knife then a $150 one.

:drama:

[TimG]

Are you playing Gladiator or Lord of the Rings with your knives? wtf are you doing to chip a knife??

[The Cosworth]

Got a set from Costco, Henkle 1 man, 8 Knives, Hard wood block, Sharpener, 4 steak knives (didn't want the steak knives but they came with it.

149.99.

Love it!

[TurboMedic]

Originally posted by TimG
Are you playing Gladiator or Lord of the Rings with your knives? wtf are you doing to chip a knife??

:rolleyes: That was my thought exactly.....

[orangefreddie]

+1 for Henkels...

I got the Henkels set from Costco too... Awesome Knives, and a fair price for Henkels.

[MikeHL]

Originally posted by TimG
Are you playing Gladiator or Lord of the Rings with your knives? wtf are you doing to chip a knife??


Using a Santoku on anything that has bone
Improper storage knives
Accidentally cutting in to metal skewers in meat
Using a chefs knife as butchers knife or Using any knife for something it an't.

Also any knife that holds a finer edge like ceramics and some Japanese knives are also prone to chipping as they has less steel behind the edge then German knives. Also japanese steel is harder and thus more brittle then german steel.

A chef’s knife is precision tool not a freaking sword. It doesn’t take much to ruin an edge on a knife.

As for the topic, I'm sorry I misunderstood the original post. I though he wanted a set of normal knives.Thus my advice is a japanese Santoku for fine tasks or veggies and a western style Gyuto or a german chefs knife, and a Hankels fillet knife. As for buying knives just make sure you get to hold the kinife before buying it as the blade might be good but the balance and the feel of the handle might be not be to your taste's.

[TimG]

dude.. i have a POS knife that's been totally abused, dropped on the floor, chopped stuff on a stone surface, thrown in drawers, etc.. basically handled and treated in the worst possible manner and there is nothing even CLOSE to chipping on the blade. it's blunt as hell, but no chipping and/or notching.