Who Bought the '89 YJ from GT_Who??

[billybeepjeep]

I am trying to find whoever bought the '89 YJ from GT_Who.
Does anyone know who that was?

[Vietsta]

why does it matter?:dunno:

[andyg16]

yea why do you need to know?

[adam c]

he probably forgot his drugs and porn in the back

[andyg16]

:rofl: :rofl:

[jf97talon]

I was going to buy it well trade him a car plus cash, but the Jeep was not what i expected it to be.

[billybeepjeep]

Well, the little shit is a total scam artist, and I was hoping he didn't succeed in curbing, but I think he might of...

[jf97talon]

How is he a scam artist?

[Vietsta]

Originally posted by billybeepjeep
Well, the little shit is a total scam artist, and I was hoping he didn't succeed in curbing, but I think he might of...

care to explain

[billybeepjeep]

I have googled the shit out of this guy and found a million things. Like this:
http://forums.mwerks.com/zerothread?id=2910972
http://www.clubveedub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18660

[Kona9]

not sure how him selling his VW dub makes him crooked. Especially when the old owner came on and gave it a positive bump.

Explain the story for all who question your rant please.

[billybeepjeep]

He bought the jeep from my friend for $2100 in Nov, emailed in Dec that he "loved it", emailed in Jan to say it was a piece of shit and that he wants to be paid $500 or he will sue for thousands and sick his vicious lawyer on him, meanwhile he is selling it for $3800... Does that sound shit head enough?

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&threadid=159741

[jf97talon]

^ WOW.

Does your friend have beyond to confirm this?

[l8braker]

Here he is in November looking to buy a Jeep for $2,800.

http://www.calgaryjeep.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4317&sid=4f2e2d313753bf95273c2b3ca0c66a40

[billybeepjeep]

His user name on CalgaryJeep is Arriviste, which means;A person who has recently attained high position or great power but not general acceptance or respect; an upstart
He actually thinks that is a good thing!
Read this from a few years ago:
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=4875.30
(he went by Rich500)

Plus, check out this from where he bought the jeep, offered $800 less than what he is asking, plus he only paid $2100:
http://www.calgaryjeep.com/indexset.htm

[Vietsta]

if a bill of sale was signed then you can't do anything

[jf97talon]

^ the point is that he has had the jeep for 3 months, even told me that he has dont NOTHING to it, and is selling it for $3800.

[garyb]

i dont see a problem if someone can buy a car and flip it for more... how is it wrong?

[jf97talon]

^ well considering how he was trying to scam the previous owner.

And cars depriciate, especially since nothing has been done.

I bet the guy is just trying to inform everyone how he was trying to scam them, and trying to sell the Jeep for a LOT more than what he bought it for.

GL to him if he sells it, but doubt it will be to anyone on here who sees this thread.

[Darkane]

Originally posted by jf97talon
^ the point is that he has had the jeep for 3 months, even told me that he has dont NOTHING to it, and is selling it for $3800.

Why is that a problem man? Its called turning a profit. FYI a vehicle is worth whatever you can SELL it for. Not purchase.

[Darkane]

Originally posted by jf97talon
^ well considering how he was trying to scam the previous owner.

And cars depriciate, especially since nothing has been done.

I bet the guy is just trying to inform everyone how he was trying to scam them, and trying to sell the Jeep for a LOT more than what he bought it for.

GL to him if he sells it, but doubt it will be to anyone on here who sees this thread.

Maybe you should follow his steps and make some coin for your upcoming baby and quit bitching about Him trying to make a buck on the internet. Christ..

[billybeepjeep]

Yet, he has been emailing my buddy saying things like this:
"In essence I am saying that I AM going to pursue a legal course of action
unless we can come up with something out of court between us. I'd take a
cheque for $500 which is a damn good deal considering the situation
Otherwise my lawyer will be seeking far far more. I hate legal action, and
am a firm believe in resolving issues amongst ourselves. I'd hate to see
your family suffer financial consequence based on your dishonesty. I'm a
trusting and compassionate guy, but HATE to be screwed around. I have the
means to make this very difficult for you considering the circumstances,
and would rather that not happen. I was hoping for just a slight
reimbursement of the original purchase price. 25% is not too much. My
Lawyer will go for a hell of a lot more than that. He is ruthless and
exceptionally well established. He will go for full vehicle purchase
price, legal fee's and reimbursement for the hassle I have had to deal
with. Which route would you prefer? A few grand, or a couple hundred?"

[garyb]

Originally posted by jf97talon
^ well considering how he was trying to scam the previous owner.

And cars depriciate, especially since nothing has been done.

I bet the guy is just trying to inform everyone how he was trying to scam them, and trying to sell the Jeep for a LOT more than what he bought it for.

GL to him if he sells it, but doubt it will be to anyone on here who sees this thread.

how is buying a car from someone and then selling it for more a scam? if the seller was too lazy to find someone to pay more there is nothing he can do....except have his friends bitch about it on beyond...

[jf97talon]

Originally posted by Darkane


Maybe you should follow his steps and make some coin for your upcoming baby and quit bitching about Him trying to make a buck on the internet. Christ..

How about you go F*** yourself.

Dont bring my other aspects into this, if you do we can meet up somewhere.

Its the fact that hes scamming someone to pay him back money for a P.O.S Jeep.

Now trying to sell this pos jeep to someone else for more.

[90_Shelby]

Always write "Sold As Is" on the bill of sale, then tell the buyer to take a hike when they demand money back. Call his bluff. Or, how do you know he didn't fix the problems then re-sell it...

[billybeepjeep]

It started with a guilt trip:
"Hey,
I went to have the Jeep inspected for my insurance company today so that
I could use it this winter rather than let it sit until Spring. Anyway,
the thing is absolutely and utterly unsafe due to the complete lack of
many suspension pieces, such as torsion bars, or even the corresponding
mounts. The whole drivetrain minus the engine is worthless. It will cost
over $3500 to have brought up too spec. Unfortunately because I don't
have that kind of money to invest into a play thing like that, the Jeep is
being scrapped. Basically I gave you $2100 for 8 km of driving that I did,
just to find out that it is basically not worth rebuilding. I don't know
what, if anything you have to say about it but I'm not feeling good about
the situation. To a student whom lives off less than $15000 per year, and
has to pay for a mortgage, insurance, tuition, books, etc etc etc, $2100
is an absolute fortune. I feel as though I was Misled, and ripped off. Now
I have a vehicle that is underivable and worth nothing. And I am out more
than %15 of my yearly income. Imagine losing that much due to someone else
deciding to keep pertinent information from you. It hurts a lot. I
liquidated my savings to buy the Jeep in hopes of having a great vehicle,
which you assured me it was. I learned a pretty hard lesson, and feel as
though I deserve some explanation or something. I sold my other vehicle in
hopes of using this as my daily car.
Happy New Year. Mine sure has started off rough.

[5hift]

Yeah this guy seems like a deadbeat, but flipping cars is fair game. If you dont like the raised asking price, dont buy it.

About him trying to recoup the $500, if the sale was as is than he cant do shit. Even if the sale was not as is, think about it, he is going to go after you with some "high priced" lawyer? For a car worth a few g's? This guy would be lucky if Lionel Hutts would take the case to try to get some cash back.

If this guy had any power to come after you, he would have done it instead of sending email threats.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

All private sales are as-is unless you told him it would have a warranty. He and his lawyer should know that. He's full of shit, call his bluff.

[billybeepjeep]

This was the answer he was given to his sob story about being a poor student:
Every question you asked about the jeep was answered fully, honestly and to the best of my knowledge.

You were very clearly informed about the problem that we had when it would not start in the cold, and you were told �I wouldn't want to be responsible for her stranding you atop a mountain in the winter�. It also failed to start when you showed up to do the test drive and you still purchased it without an inspection, without requesting a maintenance history, without even looking under the hood, etc.

We did not require an inspection performed to have the vehicle insured through AMA, and I assure you we were not aware of any safety issues. We did not perform the suspension lift, we purchased it like that without getting an inspection ourselves. We never heard from any mechanic that it was �missing pieces� or that it was �completely and utterly unsafe�. We drove that vehicle in the city, in the country, to B.C., and on the Forestry Trunk Road during a blizzard. We would not have done that had we been aware of the issues you are alleging. We paid $6000 for this vehicle in 2002 and it cost us several thousand over the years to keep it operational. The vehicle was built in 1987, there should be no surprise that it was not in perfect shape.

It is certainly unfortunate that you find yourself in this position. Perhaps you should have considered your personal financial situation before investing 15% of your annual income in a 20 year old, altered, recreational 4x4 with 302,000 kilometers on the odometer. You state "I sold my other vehicle in hopes of using this as my daily car". Yet you said in previous emails;
"My summer car is sitting without a battery, definitely unwilling to go anywhere."
"I am in the process of selling one of my other cars"
"I would only be driving it in the city during the winter, and only weekends in summer, so as long as it doesn't mind sitting for a couple weeks at a time, I'm happy. That's what mobile chargers are for."

Any lack of buyer's due diligence is your liability. If you choose to not get a second mechanical opinion, and choose to not drive the vehicle, you can sell it AS-IS with full disclosure of your recent findings, or for parts and still easily recoup your investment. Comparably aged Jeeps sell for twice your initial purchase price.

As far as what am I going to do about it? Please refer to your sales receipt: AS IS."

Then he sent the bullshit threat email about the lawyer etc.

[topher91]

WOW

Subscribes.

I wanna know what happens!

[yellowsnow]

So your friend sold a POS jeep to him. He was stupid enough to buy it off him.

Now he wants to sell it, big deal :rolleyes: if he found a buyer stupid enough to buy it, then good for him. your friend did exactly the same thing.

*edit* nevermind, i saw his FS thread, and he didn't disclose any of the problems on the jeep.

[5hift]

Originally posted by yellowsnow
So your friend sold a POS jeep to him. He was stupid enough to buy it off him.

Now he wants to sell it, big deal :rolleyes: if he found a buyer stupid enough to buy it, then good for him. your friend did exactly the same thing.

Your missing the point that hes trying to sell it for more to someone new, while trying to hit up the guy he bought it off for an extra $500 threatining bogus legal action.

[l8braker]

:drama:

This has nothing to do with the guy trying to make some $ of the car. It's about him a) not being a smart consumer b) threats of of legal action against seller (yawn) and free money ($500) c) him acting like a bitch.

[billybeepjeep]

Here he is trying to trade the jeep for a VW. He says the jeep is "a gem".
http://www.clubveedub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=112214&highlight=#112214

[billybeepjeep]

Here he is saying he would be taking a loss trading the jeep for a $3500 vw
http://www.clubveedub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=112170&highlight=#112170

[jf97talon]

As well he did pm me saying that the Jeep needs nothing, yet he has not done anything to it since he has owned it.

Just needs something better on gas for long distance drives to work

Claiming also that it will pass 100% a inspection.

[adidas]

/subscribed

[Sharpie]

^get him to get it inspected before you buy it then. If he refuses then flip him the bird and drive away...

[GT_Who]

No one bought it. I pulled it off the road and scrapped it. So shady! It was terrible. Once I saw the report I yanked it. No harm done to anyone.

[GT_Who]

PS, I highly recomend staying away fromt he original seller. He provided me with a ton of faulty info. The Jeep now happily sits in a wrecking yard. I gave it to a guy for parts.
I don't want to come across like a dirt bag. I even called a potential buyer with the news of how badly the vehicle failed the inspection and told him the gods honest truth. Later that day I had it towed away.
STAY AWAY from the original seller. He is not to be trusted. I really feel terrible about the whole situation, and never intended to cause any kind of problems. I just had a vehicle that I didn't need.

Lastly, why billy would you posts oemthing that I amy or may not have posted years ago? I'm not sure that very fair. That was a LONG time ago.

[GT_Who]

And by the way, with the information given by the original buyer at the time of sale, I definately have a case. And a good lawyer. I'm an idiot for trusting someone, but he endangered my life with his dishonesty, and for that I am considering many things.

[TeamBestBud]

Originally posted by GT_Who
And by the way, with the information given by the original buyer at the time of sale, I definately have a case. And a good lawyer. I'm an idiot for trusting someone, but he endangered my life with his dishonesty, and for that I am considering many things.

so by selling it without telling other people what was wrong with it, aren't you essentially doing the same thing?

[Darkane]

Originally posted by jf97talon


How about you go F*** yourself.

Dont bring my other aspects into this, if you do we can meet up somewhere.



LOL, temper temper, I doubt you'd ever want me meet me.. Im sure some people could vouch for that :devil:

But im done with this.

[GT_Who]

I didn't know untill I got that report for a potential sale.
So I guess I was unintentionally doing so. I sure didn;t intend that. I'm not the kind of guy who could do that to someone else. As soon as I got the report back, the vehicle was scrapped. It's now in pieces, and no longer a threat.

[jf97talon]

Originally posted by Darkane


LOL, temper temper, I doubt you'd ever want me meet me.. Im sure some people could vouch for that :devil:

But im done with this.

Pm'd!





thank god this situation is resolved.(to an extant.)

[Super_Geo]

Originally posted by GT_Who
And by the way, with the information given by the original buyer at the time of sale, I definately have a case. And a good lawyer. I'm an idiot for trusting someone, but he endangered my life with his dishonesty, and for that I am considering many things.

Bullshit.

You first play the 'I'm a poor student' card then follow it up with 'Oh but watch out for my fancy lawyer.' Sure, kid. And you're smart enough to buy a 20 year old Jeep, which isn't the most reliable thing to begin with, with no inspection... which was sold to you AS IS.

You're not an idiot 'for trusting someone,' sounds like you're just an idiot... period.

[natejj]

Do the words sold "AS IS" Mean nothing to you people? GEEZ.

And so WHAT if he wants to sell it? That's his choice cause he OWNS IT, he can do whatever the helll he wants with it, and it's none of your business!

Geez.... its really not that hard to understand.

[GT_Who]

Originally posted by Super_Geo


Bullshit.

You first play the 'I'm a poor student' card then follow it up with 'Oh but watch out for my fancy lawyer.' Sure, kid. And you're smart enough to buy a 20 year old Jeep, which isn't the most reliable thing to begin with, with no inspection... which was sold to you AS IS.

You're not an idiot 'for trusting someone,' sounds like you're just an idiot... period.

Thanks, really appreciated.
I am a poor student, but sometimes you can make things happen. I was wasteful, and admit to learning a lesson.
Lay the fuck off already. Obviously I'm remorseful and realize my wrongs.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by GT_Who

Obviously I'm remorseful and realize my wrongs.


Originally posted by GT_Who
And by the way, with the information given by the original buyer at the time of sale, I definately have a case. And a good lawyer.

Bullshit, remorseful my ass! :rofl: You have no case, you never did. You failed to get an inspection done, you bought it as-is, you fucked up. End of story.

[l8braker]

Funny how remorseful he gets after posting his University e-mail address with his last name/first initial :rofl: By the way, quit it with the lawyer talk you wimp. You're not scaring anyone.

[Whitetiger]

This "scammer" won't get anywhere with a law suit anyways, Alberta vehicles are "as is"... and if your friend didn't put that in writing, then he shouldn't be selling vehicles. It's the BUYER'S responsiblity to inspect.

That's why I always like those do-gooder beyonders commenting in the vehicle FS threads. As long as they're not bashing someone else's ride; like just stating facts... but mods deletes a lot of them :(

[GT_Who]

Why all the hate? I admitted to making a mistake. And I ahve done NO wrong. My "lawyer talk" is no business of any body but me and the seller anyway, so let it go.
Come one, I'm admitting to making a istake? Why is everyone out for blood on my part? The seller is a complete lying asshole. I have no remorse over anything. I am sorry my U of C e-mail is posted, for I'm sure a few immature folk will abuse that fact.

[GT_Who]

And quit calling me a "Scammer". I'm the farthest thing from. I'm just like any of the rest of you.

[h_s]

plus you just "scrapped" any evidence of this POS truck you bought...

to the original poster, dont even worry about this douchebag, as long as theres AS IS on the bill of sale he can go fuck himself

[GT_Who]

There is no "as is" on the Bill of sale to be honest. We wrote it up on the spot, and he seemed to have forgotten that bit. It was scribbled on a piece of paper. Not recognizable at least.
If you want to see the vehicle, its intact, sitting near DT at a shop waiting for dismantling.
Fuck, this is hopeless. You guys would rather hate on someone than give them even the slightest chance.
Thanks to those whom PM'ed me encouraging words.
To the rest of, just don't worry about it anymore. The legal aspect, or whom is and isn't a scammer. It's between the previous seller and I now. Anyone would be pissed in this situation, and I am. Its mostly at myself for taking his word, and believing his shady ethic when it came to the paper work.

[GT_Who]

FOR THE RECORD: AS SOON AS I RECIEVED THE RESULTS OF THE INSPECTION THE JEEP WAS PARKED FOR GOOD. NEVER TO BE SOLD INTACT, OR DRIVEN AGAIN. I NEVER WAS TRYING TO SCAM ANYONE. The original poster is taking things out of context. I was just trying to sell something that I had bought, but not needed. Then found out I had been fucked over. Took the financial hit, and took the vehicle off the road for everyones saftey. How am I being the bad guy?

[ogpog]

Originally posted by GT_Who

Thanks to those whom PM'ed me encouraging words.


...cough..and these people were whom? lol



Originally posted by GT_Who
FOR THE RECORD: AS SOON AS I RECIEVED THE RESULTS OF THE INSPECTION THE JEEP WAS PARKED FOR GOOD. NEVER TO BE SOLD INTACT, OR DRIVEN AGAIN. I NEVER WAS TRYING TO SCAM ANYONE. The original poster is taking things out of context. I was just trying to sell something that I had bought, but not needed. Then found out I had been fucked over. Took the financial hit, and took the vehicle off the road for everyones saftey. How am I being the bad guy?

Did you read your emails?

[GT_Who]

Yes, and what does that mean? Many are filtered due tot he U of C's extreme spam software. For better or worse. I see the attacks are going to continue no matter what I say....

[ogpog]

Originally posted by GT_Who
I see the attacks are going to continue no matter what I say....

Maybe its because you offended some of us with this...


Originally posted by GT_Who
And quit calling me a "Scammer". I'm the farthest thing from. I'm just like any of the rest of you.

[Zephyr]

Please dont PM me million times trying to cover for you, not my problem that you're a scammer. Enjoy your new user title.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by Zephyr
Please dont PM me million times trying to cover for you, not my problem that you're a scammer. Enjoy your new user title.

:rofl: :rofl: pwnt.

[3G]

pwnz0red, cant keep his story straight, 1 post it is scrapped, next post he gave it to someone who's "doin work on his vw"

[Whitetiger]

Originally posted by Darkane


Maybe you should follow his steps and make some coin for your upcoming baby and quit bitching about Him trying to make a buck on the internet. Christ.. :thumbsdow



Originally posted by jf97talon


How about you go F*** yourself.

Dont bring my other aspects into this, if you do we can meet up somewhere.

Its the fact that hes scamming someone to pay him back money for a P.O.S Jeep.

Now trying to sell this pos jeep to someone else for more.


Good luck with your kid.

[8Ball]

jeeps are fun... can i buy it for the new low price ?

[Schwa]

You guys sure are quick to drop the guillotine.

As I understand it:

He buys a jeep without getting it inspected.
Without driving the jeep, he realizes he doesn't need it, so sells it advertising the jeep using information passed on to him by the guy he bought it from.
Upon inspection he realizes the jeep is no good so he doesn't sell it.
He gives the jeep to his friend to dismantle/part out and in return his friend does work on his VW

I must have missed something.

[spikerS]

^^ the whole threatening with his "high priced lawyer" one Lionel Hutz, whome he can afford on his $15k a year student sallary while supporting his wife and kid.

[l8braker]

Originally posted by spikers
^^ the whole threatening with his "high priced lawyer" one Lionel Hutz, whome he can afford on his $15k a year student sallary while supporting his wife and kid.

Maybe he can afford Miguel Sanchez...

http://donovankruger.com/blogovan_images/Simpsons-MiguelSanchez.jpg

[toomuchb00st]

Originally posted by GT_Who
FOR THE RECORD: AS SOON AS I RECIEVED THE RESULTS OF THE INSPECTION THE JEEP WAS PARKED FOR GOOD. NEVER TO BE SOLD INTACT, OR DRIVEN AGAIN. I NEVER WAS TRYING TO SCAM ANYONE. The original poster is taking things out of context. I was just trying to sell something that I had bought, but not needed. Then found out I had been fucked over. Took the financial hit, and took the vehicle off the road for everyones saftey. How am I being the bad guy?

When buying a used car you should in no specific order;

1. CHECK THE VIN #.
2. LOOK UP ANY SERVICE RECORDS.
3. GET A FUGGIN INSPECTION DONE

Lesson learned by you.

[kevie88]

Originally posted by toomuchb00st


When buying a used car you should in no specific order;

1. CHECK THE VIN #.
2. LOOK UP ANY SERVICE RECORDS.
3. GET A FUGGIN INSPECTION DONE

Lesson learned by you.

Yes indeed.. I got royally FUCKED By Autodream a few years back on my 240, and altho my wife is a lawyer I chose not to go thru with legal action because, quite frankly, it was my own fault for buying a POS for way too much money. It cost me 1 year and another 7-8000 to get the car right..

Never believe anything anyone says when they are selling you a used car, always have it inspected!!