The f22...what can it do?

[hellraiser456]

My buddy just bought an accord with a f22 in it...

if i recall these are a fair decent engine to play with

he wants around 300 horse from it tops and im curious as to what has to be done to achieve that and more so im after someone that has done it.

i believe its a 97 accord...im trying to convince him to go with a h22 block though as i hear those will drop right in and i know they are fun to play with

oh and he insists on an auto tranny...god forbid why but he does

he wants to at least be able to keep up with my supra and that just isn't happening right now and im running bone stock in a fail safe mode cause one of my knock sensors is shot

i would love to her alternatives and opinions

[rc2002]

300 horse from an Auto F22? It's not going to happen without some serious tranny rebuilding and F/I of some kind.

[Mitsu3000gt]

According to wikipedia, the F22 has ~140hp depending on exactly which motor. There is no way you will get that near 300HP without a turbo or something like that. Also, 300hp to the front wheels isn't a very nice thing either IMO. By far the best upgrade would be putting the money he'd use to make it have 300HP into a better car. Just my opinion.

Also according to wikipedia the H22 has "190-220hp" and once again you won't see 300HP without forced induction and I think the money would be better spent on a better car.

I'm sure people who know alot more about these engines will chime in as well.

[TNation]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt
According to wikipedia, the F22 has ~140hp depending on exactly which motor. There is no way you will get that near 300HP without a turbo or something like that. Also, 300hp to the front wheels isn't a very nice thing either IMO. By far the best upgrade would be putting the money he'd use to make it have 300HP into a better car. Just my opinion.

Also according to wikipedia the H22 has "190-220hp" and once again you won't see 300HP without forced induction and I think the money would be better spent on a better car.

I'm sure people who know alot more about these engines will chime in as well.

there is no way to better put it it than that! Period.
If he turboed it or something, that would be a different story.

[EK 2.0]

Originally posted by hellraiser456
My buddy just bought an accord with a f22 in it...


what can it do you ask??...It can drive a family car around at family car speeds and family car power levels.

[hellraiser456]

this is what i thought but he wants to pimp it out and i told him to go with a h22 and see what he things of that as i know nothing about a f block and i'll i hear is they are little sisters to the h22's

this kid won't by a car he loves 4 doors and he loves the family car look

i was thinking he should be happy with just a h22 and maybe turbo it on low boost and well after that he is on his own because i don't think he should be going much over that in that car...they are decent cars..but 300 horse i think would just lead to drive train issues...


say i got him to buy a h22

what work will b e involved in getting that sucker in...do i have to move engine mounts or does it drop right in and will it bolt up to his tranny

also..how is the f22 force fed?

he wants to dump a fair chuck of cash into this car so im just curious on the best way to spend it is

oh and it has to be this accord....i tried telling him that once i start to modify my supra i will always spank him but he thinks differently so...and this is his only goal really is to keep up with me.

[ringmaster]

I turbo'd my f22... it was a lot of fun but I think it was hindered by the auto trans. It made close to 300lb feet of tq and like 180 hp on a mustang dyno. I spent less then 2g on everything including dyno time and engine management

[ex1z7]

The F22, although it has some cool features (vtec etc.) is still a pretty weak engine... It's an SOHC, for one, which immediately hits you as a lame engine when you can have a far FAR stronger DOHC (h22)..

http://turbokits.com/accord_turbo_kits.html

5g's are heavy accords, they're fat and need torque to push them around, the H22 is your best bet, or a JDM F22 out of an Accord type R.. Good luck though. Those are DOHC and push more hp then h22's...

The H22 swap is more popular for a 5g build then the F22 ever will be.. The F22 just isn't as strong, it isn't built to have the power H22's can support...

Also, for your buddy to get 300 at the ground, tell him to plan on getting a new transmission every month, stock F22 auto trannies are horribly weak when more power is thrown through them..

An ideal setup for him to rock 300 horse.. is an H22 with forged internals, something on the lines of a GT28R or equivalent pushing 15+ psi, some good trans upgrades, such as a stage 3 6 puck clutch.. Axles would need beefing up, so look into that..

For an H22 swap, however, you're looking at a bit of work, but not much.. A few simple parts, a knowledgeable hand, and your buddy will be rockin' an acclude in no time.. a few things that need doing are the drivers side mount needs about a cm shaved off, it's possible to wedge, but sketchy. Transmission mounts need to be tapped and drilled, as the F22 mounts wont work with the Prelude trans.. If you go that route.. Just get a prelude 5 speed, auto F22's are going to do nothing but rob power and cause drama..

Theres a few minor other issues, like the fuel rail off the accord and prelude are different to eachother, the inlet is backwards.. You can reuse the F22 rail, or swap for a prelude..

http://turbokits.com/prelude_turbo_kits.html

good luck

[hellraiser456]

well on that note

what engines will be nearly plug and play..as in no modifing engine mounts and minor electrical and would be a better candidate other than the f22

would a b series drop in?

[hellraiser456]

Originally posted by ringmaster
I turbo'd my f22... it was a lot of fun but I think it was hindered by the auto trans. It made close to 300lb feet of tq and like 180 hp on a mustang dyno. I spent less then 2g on everything including dyno time and engine management


how did you tranny hold up...??

oh and he just informed it was a 92 not a 97

its a 1992 honda accord LX

[Mitsu3000gt]

F22A

This engine series was used in the 1990-1993 Honda Accord, 1992-1996 Honda Prelude S and 1995-1998 Honda Odyssey. Aside from differences in tuning, these engines are substantially similar.

Specifications

* Bore × Stroke: 85.0 × 95.0 mm
* Displacement: 2156 cc
* Valve Configuration: SOHC, 16 valves
* Compression ratio: 8.8:1
* Max power:
o F22A1: 125 hp (93 kW) @ 5200 rpm
o F22A4: 130 hp (97 kW) @ 5200 rpm
o F22A6: 140 hp (104 kW) @ 5600 rpm
* Max torque:
o F22A1: 137 ft·lbf (186 Nm) @ 4000 rpm
o F22A4: 142 ft·lbf (193 Nm) @ 4000 rpm
o F22A6: 142 ft·lbf (193 Nm) @ 4500 rpm


Your seriously wasting your time doing anything to that car.

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt
F22A

This engine series was used in the 1990-1993 Honda Accord, 1992-1996 Honda Prelude S and 1995-1998 Honda Odyssey. Aside from differences in tuning, these engines are substantially similar.

Specifications

* Bore × Stroke: 85.0 × 95.0 mm
* Displacement: 2156 cc
* Valve Configuration: SOHC, 16 valves
* Compression ratio: 8.8:1
* Max power:
o F22A1: 125 hp (93 kW) @ 5200 rpm
o F22A4: 130 hp (97 kW) @ 5200 rpm
o F22A6: 140 hp (104 kW) @ 5600 rpm
* Max torque:
o F22A1: 137 ft·lbf (186 Nm) @ 4000 rpm
o F22A4: 142 ft·lbf (193 Nm) @ 4000 rpm
o F22A6: 142 ft·lbf (193 Nm) @ 4500 rpm


Your seriously wasting your time doing anything to that car. Thank you for showing us you know how to use Google. Thank you.

[frozenrice]

You can probably find some good information here:

http://http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?f=11

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
Thank you for showing us you know how to use Google. Thank you.

I have no idea what your problem with me is, we've been over this before. If you have nothing helpful to say why do you say it. Infact the forum rules (that you like to help enforce) clearly state not to post unless its helpful. I was just saving people some time as everyone may not be familiar with the engine in question, or simply to help the lazy. Go find all the threads where people have used the internet to try help someone, and pick on them, you will be there all day.

[ex1z7]

Look into F20B's ;)

[EK 2.0]

Originally posted by ex1z7
Look into F20B's ;)


Naw man...those are whack...;)

[TNation]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
Thank you for showing us you know how to use Google. Thank you.

you're an absolute idiot.
don't be an ass, he's just trying to help fool.

[cressida_pimpin]

if he wants to boost an engine he can build the f22 block with some forged pistons and rods from f22parts.com. the h22 is a nice motor in the cb7 but for a turbo set up the sleeves arent as strong as the f22. best thing to do is to decide on what sort of car he wants. if he wants a 300whp sleeper than build the f22 block and do the h23 headswap. for the money spent on a h22 you could have a built f22a... unless you want a daily driver, then go with the h22.

The first thing he should consider is an auto-5 speed swap. pm me if you have any more questions about the car.

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

The h22 is a farily easy swap into the h22, but if your not looking into doing it yourself, or himself, then i would just hand it off to the pros such as jdmsource.

You could turbo the h22 after that, but really, what's the point of having 300whp at the front wheels? wheel hop much? he'll have a horrible time getting traction if he EVER attains that goal.

Srsly, tell him to put on some underglow and some can tire fart can and rims and call it a day... there's really no point for that kind of car...

Don't get me wrong, swap an h22 and call it a day, but much more than that? :dunno:

[Mr_ET]

Talk to iblizzard on here or something like that he has a h22 accord 90-93 model.

It is a 5speed and it is still pretty slow

[slammed_cb7]

with 9:1 compression and cast iron sleeves, the JDM f22b (dohc non - vtec) would be super fun motor to boost. They often end up with torque numbers larger than hp which makes for a fun daily driver without having to rev to 6000 to hit your powerband.

http://www.accordinglydone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11745

^200whp n/a build with all honda oem parts

[jdmakkord]

I prefer my h22, though I've never driven a boosted accord.:burnout:

[slammed_cb7]

I just spent about 15 hours doing a h23/f22 hybrid motor to convert to DOHC and i dunno man, torque is good (for a honda) but it definetley needs more. DSM turbo kit is coming together so that should help for a little while. I also searched and found that fastest N/A fwd car was a fully built f22 in those ugly hybrid honda things (can't remember the name at all) but it ran high 9's in the 1/4. Mind you this was a ridiculously detailed and expensive drag build up but still, it shows potential.

[cressida_pimpin]

Originally posted by LilDrunkenSmurf
The h22 is a farily easy swap into the h22, but if your not looking into doing it yourself, or himself, then i would just hand it off to the pros such as jdmsource.

You could turbo the h22 after that, but really, what's the point of having 300whp at the front wheels? wheel hop much? he'll have a horrible time getting traction if he EVER attains that goal.

Srsly, tell him to put on some underglow and some can tire fart can and rims and call it a day... there's really no point for that kind of car...

Don't get me wrong, swap an h22 and call it a day, but much more than that? :dunno:

theres actually believe it or not a point to have 300whp. its called fast....:burnout: h22 swapped cb7 is a pretty quick street car if you can shave off some body fat from it.

[DRKM]

300whp is not that much... With some wider tires and a good suspension set up you can drive just fine... Also remeber that there is going to be quite some lag.