DSM NT conversion to TSi

[Daxin]

Im finally getting boost for my BABY NT

I'm swapping for a turbo 4G63 rebuilt (2000K on the the engine) with a 14G turbo. The shop which will be doing the conversion is supplying all the neccessary items for a FULL TSi conversion.

The swap also includes a tranny (not sure if the Clutch needs to be replaced yet). Question: should I replace the clutch with stock ($350 quoted from the mechanic) or get a better one? If I do get a better clutch, which one should I get for roughly the same price and where can I get my hands on one ASAP. I'm also enquiring about lighter flywheels. What brands are good and how much are they? I'm gettin this conversion done starting on Sat may 24 - 31.

Another question, how much are EGT guages with probes? Just comparing the price from the shops? I was quoted $175. Too Much? Just right?

Thanx

[dsm69]

CENTERFORCE dualfriction clutch is good upgrade from factory and not to expensive compared to act 2100. Dont expect it to hold up to to many 5000rpm clutch dumps tho. Mine lasted me 7months but its good for a stock car.

[4G63Power]

Just get an ACT 2100 clutch...you pay a little more but it's worth it.

[Hollywood]

Originally posted by Daxin
Im finally getting boost for my BABY NT

I'm swapping for a turbo 4G63 rebuilt (2000K on the the engine) with a 14G turbo. The shop which will be doing the conversion is supplying all the neccessary items for a FULL TSi conversion.

The swap also includes a tranny (not sure if the Clutch needs to be replaced yet). Question: should I replace the clutch with stock ($350 quoted from the mechanic) or get a better one? If I do get a better clutch, which one should I get for roughly the same price and where can I get my hands on one ASAP. I'm also enquiring about lighter flywheels. What brands are good and how much are they? I'm gettin this conversion done starting on Sat may 24 - 31.

Another question, how much are EGT guages with probes? Just comparing the price from the shops? I was quoted $175. Too Much? Just right?

Thanx

Yes do clutch now. ACT is good so is Spec stage 2. EGT price is good but it sounds like you got the crappeir probe that has the clamp. Get the probe that has the fitting thats threads instead price should just be over 200 bucks IIRC. Fidanza flywheels seem to be cheaper than the JDM offerings as they should since they are made in he US, They look good to me and I would buy one.

[THREE40SEVEN]

centreforce is junk

[5.9 R/T]

Originally posted by THREE40SEVEN
centreforce is junk
:werd:

[Daxin]

Originally posted by 4G63Power
Just get an ACT 2100 clutch...you pay a little more but it's worth it.


How much more?

[THREE40SEVEN]

How about a Spec?

[Hollywood]

Spec stage 2 is "rated" for 399 torque.

[Daxin]

Has anyone heard of DYnapak by FENCO. Partsource sells them. There about $230. Can anyone tell me if they are reliable. By the way, can you guys that recommends a product tell me roughly how much they go for?

[THREE40SEVEN]

Originally posted by Daxin
Has anyone heard of DYnapak by FENCO. Partsource sells them. There about $230. Can anyone tell me if they are reliable. By the way, can you guys that recommends a product tell me roughly how much they go for?
Dynopac is just rebuilt stock junk.
A spec stage 2 or 3 goes for $550cdn

[Daxin]

How much does the ACT 2100 go for? The shop quoted me $690. Does this sound reasonable?

How does the spec stage 2 compare with ACT 2100

[Davetronz]

Well, good luck on that venture dude. Its not going to be easy nor is it going to be cheap. I personally would just get a TSi if I was in your boat.
Anyways, why not run a 16G instead of that 14G. That way you wont have to upgrade that turbo down the road. I am assuming that you are doing this to a 1G DSM as you are using a 1G 14G turbo.
Make sure you are getting a computer and everything with this deal.
As far as gauges:
You can get a pod for around $30-$90 depending on how many gauges you want to put in.
Depending on the quality of your gauges you can run anywhere between $90 for 2-3 cheap ass gauges upwards to $400 for 2-3 really good gauges, but a gauge is a gauge eh.

[Davetronz]

Ps.
If I were you, I would take this to calg.dsm.org
Hook up with some of us dsm boys on the forum, your questions might be answered better there, as some have done this before.
Also you might wanna check out vfaq.com and dsmtalk.com

Cheers

[Daxin]

Originally posted by TurboDSM
Ps.
If I were you, I would take this to calg.dsm.org
Hook up with some of us dsm boys on the forum, your questions might be answered better there, as some have done this before.
Also you might wanna check out vfaq.com and dsmtalk.com

Cheers


Thanx

[Dr. Lightspeed]

Clutchmasters or Competition Clutch(most of CM left and started their own company. Also think about installing aluminum flywheel. Only $495. These are parts that are worth the funds. Clutchmasters stage 3 will hold 500 horse. There are other clutches out there but most will induce crankwalk especially ACT and Spec ( centerforce isn't even worth mentioning). The AF will help spool the turbo nicely.

[5.9 R/T]

Originally posted by Dr. Lightspeed
Clutchmasters or Competition Clutch(most of CM left and started their own company. Also think about installing aluminum flywheel. Only $495. These are parts that are worth the funds. Clutchmasters stage 3 will hold 500 horse. There are other clutches out there but most will induce crankwalk especially ACT and Spec ( centerforce isn't even worth mentioning). The AF will help spool the turbo nicely.

Crankwalk is very rare on a 1G, in fact almost unheard of.

[4G63Power]

Originally posted by 5.9 R/T


Crankwalk is very rare on a 1G, in fact almost unheard of.

unheard of is correct

[Daxin]

This is what I purchased:

1G Rebuilt Turbo Engine w/ 14G + Timing + Turbo Tranny +ecu + harness + fuel pump + MAF etc, etc, etc. ($6100)

ACT 2100 Clutch ($583)
Dual Pod piller with EGT + Boost gauge ($305)

They wanted $800 more for the used 16G, does this sound reasonable? Should I go fot it or find a used 16G and install it later.

[DSM Power]

Originally posted by Daxin
This is what I purchased:

1G Rebuilt Turbo Engine w/ 14G + Timing + Turbo Tranny +ecu + harness + fuel pump + MAF etc, etc, etc. ($6100)

That'd be a 14b, not G. :tongue:



They wanted $800 more for the used 16G, does this sound reasonable? Should I go fot it or find a used 16G and install it later.
Sounds like a rip to me. You can get a brand new big 16G from the States for $599 U.S.. I think Lowell Foo's shop is selling 16g's for that price or less new. :dunno:

BTW, who is this shop doing all your work? Any reason you decided to do this major transplant instead of just buying a turbo'd 1G instead? Your $7K could have bought you a turbo model easily. :nut:

[Davetronz]

Originally posted by DSM Power
Any reason you decided to do this major transplant instead of just buying a turbo'd 1G instead? Your $7K could have bought you a turbo model easily. :nut:
My question exactly Tom.

[Daxin]

I lost my license a few years back and no insurance co. will insure me. I was planning on buying a mustang mach 1 this year but not a chance. I also looked at 97 awd talons and still no chance. I still have to wait 2 to 3 years.

What are you running DSM power? What mods do you have?

[5.9 R/T]

Originally posted by Daxin


1G Rebuilt Turbo Engine w/ 14G + Timing + Turbo Tranny +ecu + harness + fuel pump + MAF etc, etc, etc. ($6100)



Does that come complete with a mail order bride? Because if it doesn't whomever you bought that from just ripped you a new asshole.

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by 5.9 R/T


Does that come complete with a mail order bride? Because if it doesn't whomever you bought that from just ripped you a new asshole. No kidding. You could have gotten a complete car for that.

[boosty]

http://www.globemegawheels.com/Branding/vehicleDetail.aspx?vehicleID=97150

There ya go. 92 TSi AWD for under 5k. Buy the car and part out whatever you don't want if you want to put stuff on your NT.... or drive normal for the next 3 years and then buy a turbo model.

[Daxin]

I think the price is some what high, but reasonable. They are rebuilding the engine and porting the heads. I called around and I was quoted $2500 to rebuild an engine, Moore's wanted $6000 (I heard that Moore's are not as good as they used to be). They are also doing the timing belt which goes for around $700. I bought the engine from them for $2000. They threw in the turbo tranny.

Engine = $2000
Rebuild =$2500
Timing belt = $700
All neccessary items for conversion and labour = $900.
Total = $6100

They're doing a complete Tsi conversion. They're swapping the engine, tranny, ecu, harness, MAS, injectors, Pump, intercooler, etc, etc, etc.

If I bought a used 1990-1994 Tsi, I would be spending $5-10 K and the milage be around 200,000 km. I would have to rebuild the engine anyways for another $2-3 grand. I would also be saving each year from the insurance company as well.

By converting my car, I know the history since I bought her brand new. Used Tsi cars are a gamble, most Tsi are bagged and worn out becuz they're driven hard and some of the time, neglected. The last thing I want is to buy a used Tsi and find out I need to replace the engine, tranny, electricals, etc, etc.

[three.eighteen.]

when you say full conversion you are going fwd to 4wd as well?

[Daxin]

Originally posted by three.eighteen.
when you say full conversion you are going fwd to 4wd as well?


No. I meant a NT ---> Tsi. Not all Talon's are AWD. Converting a FWD to an AWD is very difficult to do.

[dsm69]

Is your 1gen motor pre 5/92? If it is thats a fair price for tranny install etc.. make sure they remove the balance shafts. Ive see lots of DSMers spend more $ to swap the 6bolt in their crankwalked 2gens anyway.

[ninspeed]

2k for a 6bolt 63???? man... you got ripped.. first parts place i called for used motors quoted me 400 for the engine... everything not including the turbo.. (but its a turbo motor)... so with the 1600$ you could have bought a nice big turbo, and had it rebuilt...

But i agree with dsm69... REMOVE the balance chafts...

Good luck

[Daxin]

Originally posted by ninspeed
But i agree with dsm69... REMOVE the balance chafts...

Good luck


What gain would you get from removing the balance shafts?

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by Daxin



What gain would you get from removing the balance shafts? Lower windage losses and greater reliability, IIRC the balance shafts can be rather failure prone at times, and eat a fair amount of power.