Official AP1/AP2 Thread

[Jlude]

Originally posted by max_boost
Come on James....just buy it!!!

Oh I want to.

[zain123]

who was in the yellow ap2 on 6th tonight near 2pm

[Skyline_Addict]

^^ might've been me

[zain123]

did u take crowchild south from bowtrail i think?
i talked to the driver at the light

anyways nice car !
clean:bigpimp:

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by zain123
who was in the yellow ap2 on 6th tonight near 2pm You mean 2am? That was me. Nice car to you too.

For awhile I thought we were gonna do some AP1 vs. AP2 battle off the lights.

[zain123]

lol ye 2 am
its been a long night shiet

aha i duno about ap1 vs ap2 battle but for sure that red g35 was itching for a race
shouldve seen him on crowchild after:facepalm: (my first face palm .. oo ye !) aha

r u driving urs yr round or putting her away soon?

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by zain123
lol ye 2 am
its been a long night shiet

aha i duno about ap1 vs ap2 battle but for sure that red g35 was itching for a race
shouldve seen him on crowchild after:facepalm: (my first face palm .. oo ye !) aha

r u driving urs yr round or putting her away soon? Yeah seemed like it. My car is being put away after this weekend I think. It depends on how dry the weather stays!

[Ek9Max]

anybody have a helms manual??

[Skyline_Addict]

Took it for a quick wash and dry today since the weather was nice. I'll have some better pictures by Tuesday or Wednesday, when I'll be parking the car in the garage and putting the car cover on!

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[4doorj]

Beautiful car good choice
Looks like mine
Looks good with the lip

[Skyline_Addict]

^^ thanks!

[imjimmylin]

:thumbsup: Sweet ride! Looks awesome!

[max_boost]

Nice. So did you make the daring drive down the QE2 on those stock tires? :D

[4doorj]

Did you buy it from a dealership?

[Skyline_Addict]

haha, I did not make the drive down QE2, but I certainly haven't minded driving it around town since I got it on Saturday :D
bought it through private sale.

[imjimmylin]

Today was beautiful out, drove around with the top down :D

[Ek9Max]

I've been driving around lots too! tomorrow it's getting torn apart so i gotta get some driving in....

That and winter will be here anyday....

[snow_daniel]

Originally posted by Skyline_Addict
Took it for a quick wash and dry today since the weather was nice. I'll have some better pictures by Tuesday or Wednesday, when I'll be parking the car in the garage and putting the car cover on!

Nice car looks good :D
:thumbsup:
too bad snow will come soon or else I might see you around, I think I saw your Fit a while ago...:)

[4doorj]

So I'm taking it 90 percent of the s2000's here are getting put away for winter.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by Ek9Max
I've been driving around lots too! tomorrow it's getting torn apart so i gotta get some driving in....

That and winter will be here anyday....
so now that youve spent lots of time with both the sw20 and the ap1... review? Comments? Comparison?

[shadowz]

Originally posted by Ek9Max
anybody have a helms manual??

I do, call me later

[shox]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2

so now that youve spent lots of time with both the sw20 and the ap1... review? Comments? Comparison?

I think we should let you take one of our AP1 out and compare with your NSX-R.

[max_boost]

can i call dibs on ek9max's s2k for when he sells? i know it'll be at a wicked price with tonnes of goodies. no parting out required and i won't lowball like your typical beyonder :D

[Ek9Max]

Originally posted by max_boost
can i call dibs on ek9max's s2k for when he sells? i know it'll be at a wicked price with tonnes of goodies. no parting out required and i won't lowball like your typical beyonder :D

Wait a minute here.... Do I have a rep for selling my projects really quickly or something???? ;)

V made me promiss that if (when) I get bored of this after 6 months i have to part it out and give the stock car to her....

[Ek9Max]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2

so now that youve spent lots of time with both the sw20 and the ap1... review? Comments? Comparison?

I loved the mr2. Super fun car to drive/mod. Since i've had 2 heavily modded mr2's and 1 boosted s2k. Soon to be 2 boosted s2k's. I can safely say that the s2k is a better car overall. Of course the design is 10 years newer too....

It's drives better, handles better, looks better (subjective). And I just really got tired of my 2nd mr2 (being RHD and all). But had lots of fun while i had it.

I'm sure in a year i'll think s2k's are chick cars and looks like ass. haha. And underpowerred.....

But there's just something about the way honda's drive that really appeal to me.

Kinda like driving a 2008 accord vs 2008 camry.....

MR2
pros: Cheap, easy to get good power, handle good, UNIQUE.
cons: OLD, not a ton of support for parts/tuning, hard to hard a good one these days, RHD killed it like it did the 300zx/rx7/whatever else that gets mirror'd be a RHD import.

S2K
pros: handling, feels so solid, looks, tons of parts out there.
cons: Fuck me parts are expensive, kinda a chick car, power (gt35r should solve that), WEAK DIFF's grrrr, Nick won't let me put cheap parts on it.....

[dimi]

Couple of questions for Ek9max.

1. Why go with a GT35R? Unless you are going for 500whp+ the GT3076R would have a much quicker spool, and usually makes more torque. The GT35R will make more power, but only over 8500 rpm when the GT30R starts running out of breath. Plus IMO the whole point of turbos is to solve the torque problem. So unless you are going to drag your car GT30R would be the better choice. Here is a dynoplot of the two turbos on the same setup.

http://www.s2ki.com/gallery/image/medium/397509.jpg

So the GT35R makes 25whp more but not until 9000 rpm! I believe these numbers are on a log manifold therefore slightly lower numbers. Same PSI

2. Why go with the Mini-Me? I mean all this work you will be putting in you might as well go equal length. You'll spool faster, make a lot more power, and lets not forget the looks. I'm guessing you will have to relocate the battery and fuse box anyway so that won't really change. Cracking isn't really an issue anymore either. Plus a PFAB EL manifold is $899 and has a lifetime warranty against cracking. The GT2 is also nice although slightly more expensive, and it's not a top mount if you like to see your turbo.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/dimi17/DSC00037-1.jpg

Either way, good luck with the build!!!

[Ek9Max]

got the gt35r in case I decide to build up an engine to go big........ I might even have a longblock being built as we speak...... Maybe LOL.

As far as the minime..... Got the kit used and got a good price. That's pretty much it. I figure it's better than log manifolds still.

I think I gotta relocate the battery which I didn't know about till now. Oh well. Maybe I can fit with an odyssey battery.

[shadowz]

Originally posted by Ek9Max


I Nick won't let me put cheap parts on it.....

:D only way to go my friend

[rc2002]

Originally posted by shadowz

only way to go my friend

+1

Buying cheap parts is a downgrade.

[JKL@STRD]

Originally posted by shox


I think we should let you take one of our AP1 out and compare with your NSX-R.

LOL that was already done... i was lucky one day and we did a swap and i got to drive Redlyne_mr2's NSX-R

look how happy he was
http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v290/231/10/880390244/n880390244_3392859_8105.jpg

[Skyline_Addict]

anyone else parked their s2k for the winter yet?

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by Skyline_Addict
anyone else parked their s2k for the winter yet? Normally, I would. In fact, I've already changed the oil and flushed in some new ATE Super Blue, as well as detailed the car...but I'm starting to find it really fun to drive, kind of like my old AE86. So I'm holding out for now.

[max_boost]

the weather has been so nice, why would you want to park your roadsters yet. just recently slapped on the winters and i'm still driving mine.

[imjimmylin]

I've been driving mine, +12 out today :D

[Skyline_Addict]

yeah. i still have a couple days of driving insurance left and spent half a day yesterday cleaning the car and putting the cover on. i'm very tempted to take it out for a couple more days!

[rc2002]

So you had insurance on your car for all of one week?

Doesn't make sense to put it away until the snow sticks. I put mine away last year, but if I was to do it again, I would consider driving it year round.

In the winter, I'd buy winter tires and pull it out on the days when there's a Chinook or dry roads - there's a lot of those days.

[Skyline_Addict]

Yeah. My plan was to enjoy it for about that period of time, weather permitting. Obviously, I hadn't anticipated this good of weather (but who can, in Calgary) to continue. In either case, I went home during lunch at work, threw off the car cover, and drove it back to work :D.

[Skyline_Addict]

oh and.....since the weather's so nice.....






beyond s2000 meet, imo!

[dimi]

I drove it all winter last year. A few days of -30 too, since it is my only source of transport apart from CT. Never had a single problem, apart from a few rock chips.

Top down at -10 is so much fun, though everyone looks at me as if I am dumb ass. The soft top is much more prone to rips and tears though when used in cold weather.

[max_boost]

Originally posted by richardchan2002
So you had insurance on your car for all of one week?

Doesn't make sense to put it away until the snow sticks. I put mine away last year, but if I was to do it again, I would consider driving it year round.

In the winter, I'd buy winter tires and pull it out on the days when there's a Chinook or dry roads - there's a lot of those days.

yeah mine will be out on the roads for those nicer winter days.



Originally posted by Skyline_Addict
oh and.....since the weather's so nice.....






beyond s2000 meet, imo!

yeah can i join :D

[imjimmylin]

Originally posted by max_boost

yeah can i join :D

Bubblemania S2000 meet? :thumbsup:

[Skyline_Addict]

sweet. who else is in for an s2000 meet?

[imjimmylin]

Where is everyone getting there winter tires from? I wanna wrap the OEM 16's with winter rubber... I gave tirebob a call but he's so busy, where else should I go?

[JKL@STRD]

ill go for a meet... but my s2000 is parked LOL

imjimmylin- pm me some info and ill see what i can find you

[snow_daniel]

Originally posted by imjimmylin
Where is everyone getting there winter tires from? I wanna wrap the OEM 16's with winter rubber... I gave tirebob a call but he's so busy, where else should I go?
Left him a message he will get back to you..should wait for him to reply you:) or ask Jackie @ STRD...haha

About the S2000 meeting...can I come........without my S2000 ??:D
I already parked the car

[imjimmylin]

^ Yeah I gave him a call left name and number haven't heard back from him yet. I just gave Jackie a pm though! Hopefully I can get some tires on there soon!

[Skyline_Addict]

sure. everyone who owns an s2000 should come, but preferrably with said s2000! :D

any days that you guys prefer to do this (soon hopefully)?

[4doorj]

I will be driving my S2000 during winter in those nice warm chinook days, as long as the roads are dry.

[max_boost]

bubblemania s2k meet? oh hell yeah. well i don't have a s(2)k but i have a s(l)k so close enough, just a letter anyway :D

plus i'm a former owner of the s2 so i know a few things hehe

[Skyline_Addict]

anyone up for Friday night? any suggestions?

[max_boost]

what...so soon? hehe

not bubbles since it's closed for 2 weeks.

[imjimmylin]

Originally posted by max_boost
bubblemania s2k meet? oh hell yeah. well i don't have a s(2)k but i have a s(l)k so close enough, just a letter anyway :D

plus i'm a former owner of the s2 so i know a few things hehe

Only if you show up with the SLK :)

[78si]

Does anyone need an OEM AP1 silverstone front bumper cover? It needs a bit of work. $125:dunno:

[Skyline_Addict]

for the meet, just post when you'd like to go :D.

also. for those of you with aftermarket suspension/suspension components, what're you guys running? how's performance/quality/comfort in comparison to stock?

[4doorj]

Originally posted by Skyline_Addict
for the meet, just post when you'd like to go :D.

also. for those of you with aftermarket suspension/suspension components, what're you guys running? how's performance/quality/comfort in comparison to stock?
I thought you were staying stock?

[Skyline_Addict]

stock engine components :D
wheels/suspension, another story.

[BigShow]

Whenever I have a passenger in the car, their seat squeaks...wtf?
I'm talking 110lb girls. I have my seats as far back as they will go, but I cant see them rubbing against anything.

Has this happened to anyone else? :banghead:

[imjimmylin]

^ Yeah you just have to move the seat forward a bit and it will stop, I get that as well when the seat is all the way back.

[BigShow]

Originally posted by imjimmylin
^ Yeah you just have to move the seat forward a bit and it will stop, I get that as well when the seat is all the way back.

Simple enough, was this a design flaw?

[zain123]

fucking same problem with me !!!
pisses me off

i am guna try moving the seat next time i drive it lol

[shadowz]

Originally posted by Skyline_Addict
for the meet, just post when you'd like to go :D.

also. for those of you with aftermarket suspension/suspension components, what're you guys running? how's performance/quality/comfort in comparison to stock?

Im currently uing T1R B52s, they will ride a lot more harsh than your stock suspension, as the spring rates are near double than ap2 stock springs, if you are looking for a more comfortable ride I would recommend Tein or KW and Bilstein. But other than that a few of us on here are using the normal tower bars, front steering rack spacers as well adjustable trailing arm(rear anti bump steer kit)especially on AP1 we have noticed a big difference especially with bumpsteer and ride quality increasing. A few of us have played around with different alignment specs as well although handling was improved the ride quality was hindered. On another car Ive worked on it is using steering rack inserts as well camber offset joints. What else did you want to know about aftermarket suspension? There are a few users on s2ki whom are upgrading to the CR steering rack, the ratio is near the same as AP1 as well they have been upgrading to some other CR components and have seen some good reviews. Also there are a couple of us looking to upgrade the rear suspenion to AP2 geometry in our AP1s, I'll keep you guys updated

[xviper]

Originally posted by BigShow


Simple enough, was this a design flaw?
When you have a passenger, the weight makes the seatback bend rearward slightly. It then barely touches the side/rear plastic. As you go over bumps the passenger pushes on the seatback to make the squeak. Move the damn seat one notch forward or the seatback one notch more vertical. "Design flaw" makes it sound like it's an insurmountable issue. Shove any seat in a two seat car back far enough and it'll make contact. It's not a big deal.

[BigShow]

Originally posted by xviper

When you have a passenger, the weight makes the seatback bend rearward slightly. It then barely touches the side/rear plastic. As you go over bumps the passenger pushes on the seatback to make the squeak. Move the damn seat one notch forward or the seatback one notch more vertical. "Design flaw" makes it sound like it's an insurmountable issue. Shove any seat in a two seat car back far enough and it'll make contact. It's not a big deal.

Your right its not a big deal, but its definately annoying. I would argue that it is a design flaw, how could the engineers not consider the effect of weight on the seat movement. If the last notch is there, the seat should function the same as any other setting. For the sake of argument. But I do appreciate your response.

[Skyline_Addict]

Originally posted by shadowz


Im currently uing T1R B52s, they will ride a lot more harsh than your stock suspension, as the spring rates are near double than ap2 stock springs, if you are looking for a more comfortable ride I would recommend Tein or KW and Bilstein. But other than that a few of us on here are using the normal tower bars, front steering rack spacers as well adjustable trailing arm(rear anti bump steer kit)especially on AP1 we have noticed a big difference especially with bumpsteer and ride quality increasing. A few of us have played around with different alignment specs as well although handling was improved the ride quality was hindered. On another car Ive worked on it is using steering rack inserts as well camber offset joints. What else did you want to know about aftermarket suspension? There are a few users on s2ki whom are upgrading to the CR steering rack, the ratio is near the same as AP1 as well they have been upgrading to some other CR components and have seen some good reviews. Also there are a couple of us looking to upgrade the rear suspenion to AP2 geometry in our AP1s, I'll keep you guys updated

Great information, thanks! I am looking for a more streetable suspension with adjustability being ideal, but not necessary. Would you recommend the Tein SS?

[S-FLY]

What's up guys, I'm new to the AP1 scene. :)

[4doorj]

Originally posted by Skyline_Addict


Great information, thanks! I am looking for a more street able suspension with adjustability being ideal, but not necessary. Would you recommend the Tein SS?
I have owned t1r coilovers, tein coilovers, eibach springs, tanabe gf210 springs. Eibach and tanabe springs ride like stock. Very nice ride but definitly not low enough. T1r coilovers made it handle like it was on rails, but using it as a daily driver was hard because of the spring rates like shadowz said. Now I have the tein flex coilovers and I absolutly love it. May not be as stiff spring rates as the t1r's but the ride quality is amazing! I am pretty low and it ride's really good.

If you only want it for looks I would recommend skunk2 springs or espiller springs as they are one of the lowest drops for springs. But I definitely recommend coilovers because of the adjustibility you have in them.

If you need to know anything, Shadowz is the man with the s2000 knowledge.

You also got xviper that knows the car in and out. But I believe he's running oem suspension.

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by Skyline_Addict


Great information, thanks! I am looking for a more streetable suspension with adjustability being ideal, but not necessary. Would you recommend the Tein SS? Nothing is more streetable than OEM. What is the point of modifying suspension for you anyway? It's not like you'll be any faster either way....amirite?

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by xviper

When you have a passenger, the weight makes the seatback bend rearward slightly. It then barely touches the side/rear plastic. As you go over bumps the passenger pushes on the seatback to make the squeak. Move the damn seat one notch forward or the seatback one notch more vertical. "Design flaw" makes it sound like it's an insurmountable issue. Shove any seat in a two seat car back far enough and it'll make contact. It's not a big deal. Yeesh, guess how I know you love your car?

[xviper]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
Yeesh, guess how I know you love your car?
"Love" is perhaps too strong a word. No, I don't "love" my S2000. It's just a car. I play with it. I drive it year round. I mod it. It serves my needs. I know almost everything there is to know about it. As soon as it stops serving my needs, it's gone in a New York minute.
I just like to comment about stuff that originates from truly anal retentive and compulsive/obsessive people. A seatback that squeaks when it's set back too far being a design flaw? Jesus H. Murphy! Give me a fuckin' break. :nut:
It's physics, for Christ's sake. When two surfaces touch, they can sometimes make a noise. I'll bet if you rub your nuts together, they'll squeak. So don't rub them together.

[alpha]

holy shit fellas, if i have to listen to another OEM > * argument I'm gonna lose it.

If everyone insists on dredging this subject up over and over why not just make a thread dedicated to it so it doesn't affect anyone else besides the people that consider it a pertinent argument?

Just accept that if you like it stock, rock it like that. if someone else wants suspension, body kits, or whatever else that isn't stock, they have their own reasons for sporting it, maybe even as simple as they like how it looks. not everything has to have empirical evidence supporting why it should be used.

[Skyline_Addict]

Originally posted by alpha
holy shit fellas, if i have to listen to another OEM > * argument I'm gonna lose it.

If everyone insists on dredging this subject up over and over why not just make a thread dedicated to it so it doesn't affect anyone else besides the people that consider it a pertinent argument?

Just accept that if you like it stock, rock it like that. if someone else wants suspension, body kits, or whatever else that isn't stock, they have their own reasons for sporting it, maybe even as simple as they like how it looks. not everything has to have empirical evidence supporting why it should be used.

Yeah. Something like that.

I've done suspension modifications for my last two cars, both with results that I was pleased with, but in different ways. I rode on TEIN HA coilovers on my Prelude which made the car ride on rails (which I loved), provided a nice drop but had harsh ride. On my Fit, I simply put on eibach progressive springs which gives the car a modest drop, provides stock-like comfort and ride quality and has noticeable handling improvements.

While the s2000 is obviously in a different league than both those cars, I am looking for a suspension (if one is out there) that can sort of meet half way between what I like about my Fit and what I liked about my Prelude.

When I said I was looking for a "more streetable suspension", I meant it in relation of aftermarket vs. other aftermarket. Of course there is nothing more streetable than the OEM suspension.

[4doorj]

Originally posted by xviper

"Love" is perhaps too strong a word. No, I don't "love" my S2000. It's just a car. I play with it. I drive it year round. I mod it. It serves my needs. I know almost everything there is to know about it. As soon as it stops serving my needs, it's gone in a New York minute.
I just like to comment about stuff that originates from truly anal retentive and compulsive/obsessive people. A seatback that squeaks when it's set back too far being a design flaw? Jesus H. Murphy! Give me a fuckin' break. :nut:
It's physics, for Christ's sake. When two surfaces touch, they can sometimes make a noise. I'll bet if you rub your nuts together, they'll squeak. So don't rub them together.
I'm pretty short so my seat never has to go that far so I never get that squeak :D

[alpha]

Originally posted by 4doorj

I'm pretty short so my seat never has to go that far so I never get that squeak :D

lol me too. i only noticed it when i had tall passengers, it took me a while to find out where the squeaking was actually coming from when it first started happening. haha

[S-FLY]

A piece of felt on the plastic behind the seat should stop the squeak.

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by Skyline_Addict


Yeah. Something like that.

I've done suspension modifications for my last two cars, both with results that I was pleased with, but in different ways. I rode on TEIN HA coilovers on my Prelude which made the car ride on rails (which I loved), provided a nice drop but had harsh ride. On my Fit, I simply put on eibach progressive springs which gives the car a modest drop, provides stock-like comfort and ride quality and has noticeable handling improvements.

While the s2000 is obviously in a different league than both those cars, I am looking for a suspension (if one is out there) that can sort of meet half way between what I like about my Fit and what I liked about my Prelude.

When I said I was looking for a "more streetable suspension", I meant it in relation of aftermarket vs. other aftermarket. Of course there is nothing more streetable than the OEM suspension. What I'm saying is that the S2000 handles pretty good in factory form and that you are not good enough to tell the difference in handling from stock to aftermarket. The only thing you'll notice is a decrease in ride comfort. If anything, it'll be a less forgiving setup which will work against your n00b driving skills. You have to remember that people like Nick regularly hit the track and can make good use of their upgrades. Upgrading a car when you're not good enough to take advantage of them is pointless, especially on a car like the S2000, which is already very well setup for track use.

Another thing is that you, like most people, are not even modding your car properly. Improper mods destroy the synergy created by the engineers who made the car. If you think that you, an inexperienced driver with next to zero knowledge and armed with a small budget, can somehow improve upon a car that a team of experienced engineers and drivers created with the backing of a large auto manufacturer's budget...then well...I dunno, I guess the term for that is delusional. :dunno:

If you think I'm just making assumptions, well here's proof. Case in point - you seem to think that the putting lowering springs on your Fit makes it handle better. Nope, it is overworking the factory shocks and making them perform outside of their physical stroke area as well as their damping capabilities. One of the most basic rules of suspension modding is to match the springs to the shocks...which you've ignored in favour of lowering the car.

At this point, you'll probably be angry and defensive, but take a step back and reread what I wrote before you hit that reply button. Hopefully you'll understand what I'm saying and agree. Now if you just feel like modding because you like tooling around with your car, then that's another thing altogether and you can do whatever you want of course. Just don't claim that you're bettering the car's handling!

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by alpha
holy shit fellas, if i have to listen to another OEM > * argument I'm gonna lose it.

If everyone insists on dredging this subject up over and over why not just make a thread dedicated to it so it doesn't affect anyone else besides the people that consider it a pertinent argument?

Just accept that if you like it stock, rock it like that. if someone else wants suspension, body kits, or whatever else that isn't stock, they have their own reasons for sporting it, maybe even as simple as they like how it looks. not everything has to have empirical evidence supporting why it should be used. You're totally right. People can mod their cars because they think it looks buck, because they feel like it, whatever. But Skyline thinks that he's improving his handling, which just isn't true. And before he molests his car with frivolous mods, I am allowing him the benefit of knowledge about his planned mods. So what's your problem, chief?

[xviper]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff Another thing is that you, like most people, are not even modding your car properly. Improper mods destroy the synergy created by the engineers who made the car. If you think that you, an inexperienced driver with next to zero knowledge and armed with a small budget, can somehow improve upon a car that a team of experienced engineers and drivers created with the backing of a large auto manufacturer's budget...then well...I dunno, I guess the term for that is delusional. :dunno: [/B]
But, isn't that the "Beyond" way? Oh, and what about tuner stickers? I hear there's big HP in those.

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by xviper

But, isn't that the "Beyond" way? Oh, and what about tuner stickers? I hear there's big HP in those. Oh yeah totally. Stickers are great, as well as hood vents and red tow hooks.

[alpha]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
You're totally right. People can mod their cars because they think it looks buck, because they feel like it, whatever. But Skyline thinks that he's improving his handling, which just isn't true. And before he molests his car with frivolous mods, I am allowing him the benefit of knowledge about his planned mods. So what's your problem, chief?

Jeff, apparently you've taken offense to my comment, which was not my intent. perhaps you should take some of your own medicine... step back, read and understand my reply, and maybe you can in some way recognize its validity.

Its hard to believe that someone who has been on beyond for so long is still picking fights over petty arguments that, as I'm sure you already know will never produce any change on either parties side. Regardless of what you say to the contrary in terms of performance, if someone wants lowering springs or whatever else on their car, they are going to do it. So why bother getting involved? I'm assuming its not to flaunt your knowledge...

I'm sure that this reply of mine will result in you feeling offended and you are probably already be teeming with clever anecdotal jabs aimed in my direction. But with some luck you will have read my post and related to it in some way, and don't feel the compulsion to retaliate.

[shadowz]

Originally posted by Skyline_Addict


Great information, thanks! I am looking for a more streetable suspension with adjustability being ideal, but not necessary. Would you recommend the Tein SS?

Majority of the Tein, except the models above Flex such as SRC have stockish spring rates, same with lower model Zeal Function, Im sure most drivers whom are looking for a stock feel would enjoy, but if you look into it most people that track their s2000s spring rates are 10k plus, not that im saying your daily driven needs this. Look into Tein Flex it was very simple to install, came with everything necessary. Ask JKL@Strd for a price im sure he could hook you up. And I think you would really enjoy them in your AP2 ;) ;)

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by alpha


Jeff, apparently you've taken offense to my comment, which was not my intent. perhaps you should take some of your own medicine... step back, read and understand my reply, and maybe you can in some way recognize its validity.

Its hard to believe that someone who has been on beyond for so long is still picking fights over petty arguments that, as I'm sure you already know will never produce any change on either parties side. Regardless of what you say to the contrary in terms of performance, if someone wants lowering springs or whatever else on their car, they are going to do it. So why bother getting involved? I'm assuming its not to flaunt your knowledge...

I'm sure that this reply of mine will result in you feeling offended and you are probably already be teeming with clever anecdotal jabs aimed in my direction. But with some luck you will have read my post and related to it in some way, and don't feel the compulsion to retaliate. I was talking to Skyline, not you. Perhaps you're the one trying to get involved? I understand your reply perfectly, but what you don't seem to understand is the context of the situation. Skyline posted in here asking for suspension advice. I responded with my opinion. Then there's you. Where do you fit in? As far as I can tell, you care nothing about the subject at hand and you're just here to espouse an ideology that has nothing to do with the situation at hand.

So I ask again, what's your problem, chief?

[arian_ma]

Originally posted by Skyline_Addict

When I said I was looking for a "more streetable suspension", I meant it in relation of aftermarket vs. other aftermarket. Of course there is nothing more streetable than the OEM suspension.
Terrence I think everyone has different opinions on what is and isn't "streetable." Try and get a ride in some people's cars to see what's acceptable to you, and that's the best method I can think of. For example, my car has some pretty harsh suspension and everyone who sits in it complains about it, but I like it...

[4doorj]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
I was talking to Skyline, not you. Perhaps you're the one trying to get involved? I understand your reply perfectly, but what you don't seem to understand is the context of the situation. Skyline posted in here asking for suspension advice. I responded with my opinion. Then there's you. Where do you fit in? As far as I can tell, you care nothing about the subject at hand and you're just here to espouse an ideology that has nothing to do with the situation at hand.

So I ask again, what's your problem, chief?
I think it's because everyone can only take sooo much debbie downer comments. Every time you post it's something negative:D
Personally when I first started seeing your posts it was annoying. But then I learned not to care anymore. Now I find alot of your posts to be funny. But I still find you to be a debbie downer:
http://www.wrensnestonline.com/blog/wp-content/debbie_downer.jpg

[pinoyhero]

^ LOL I can hear the sound in my head now ...

[zain123]

:eek:
man why cant we all get along
its internet.. relax !
stop getting offended by what people are posting

[max_boost]

Originally posted by 4doorj

I think it's because everyone can only take sooo much debbie downer comments. Every time you post it's something negative:D
Personally when I first started seeing your posts it was annoying. But then I learned not to care anymore. Now I find alot of your posts to be funny. But I still find you to be a debbie downer:
http://www.wrensnestonline.com/blog/wp-content/debbie_downer.jpg

lol lol lol lol lol lol

i know when i mod my car, i'm doing it to make it look good, according to my taste. i certainly do not think my mods make my car a better performer. i at the very least need to improve my driving skills first lol

[Jlude]

Originally posted by max_boost


lol lol lol lol lol lol

i know when i mod my car, i'm doing it to make it look good, according to my taste. i certainly do not think my mods make my car a better performer. i at the very least need to improve my driving skills first lol

Amen to that...

[Ek9Max]

What about cutting my stock springs then? Would that change the synergy and/or overwork the stock struts?

not much, just 1-3 coils.....


And where the hell can i get these tuner decals that give me more power??? I don't see how that's possible....

[zain123]

u r cutting springs too??
but stock ones.. am getting the tein s-tech ones and cutting those
cheap drop :)

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by 4doorj

I think it's because everyone can only take sooo much debbie downer comments. Every time you post it's something negative:D
Personally when I first started seeing your posts it was annoying. But then I learned not to care anymore. Now I find alot of your posts to be funny. But I still find you to be a debbie downer:
http://www.wrensnestonline.com/blog/wp-content/debbie_downer.jpg
Sorry if my opinion gets you down. I really do apologize to you. Although I don't think it's so much my opinion getting you down, it's the fact that you know what I'm saying is right and that you can't even call me on it. Like I'm not even disagreeing with your "let people do what they want" comments. I'm just putting up my opinion, that's all.

Anyway, back on topic. Terrence will get his suspension...then some guy with stock suspension will show up, run better times at the track than Terrence, and then drive home afterwards in more comfort than Terrence. And guess what? That guy's name will be Debbie Downer.

[4doorj]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff

Sorry if my opinion gets you down. I really do apologize to you. Although I don't think it's so much my opinion getting you down, it's the fact that you know what I'm saying is right and that you can't even call me on it. Like I'm not even disagreeing with your "let people do what they want" comments. I'm just putting up my opinion, that's all.

Anyway, back on topic. Terrence will get his suspension...then some guy with stock suspension will show up, run better times at the track than Terrence, and then drive home afterwards in more comfort than Terrence. And guess what? That guy's name will be Debbie Downer.

Oh hahahaha no worries man. I'm not talking about getting me down. Like I said I dont mind your opinions because they are yours and you actually have really good information backing it up. It's kinda like telling a little kid that santa clause isn't real. It's true but they don't like to hear it. You always have good information to back up your opinions unlike some other people.
I was just maybe giving some reasons why people get so offended by yours posts...haha

[xviper]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
That guy's name will be Debbie Downer. [/B]
Debbie's a guy? :eek:

[Skyline_Addict]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
What I'm saying is that the S2000 handles pretty good in factory form and that you are not good enough to tell the difference in handling from stock to aftermarket. The only thing you'll notice is a decrease in ride comfort. If anything, it'll be a less forgiving setup which will work against your n00b driving skills. You have to remember that people like Nick regularly hit the track and can make good use of their upgrades. Upgrading a car when you're not good enough to take advantage of them is pointless, especially on a car like the S2000, which is already very well setup for track use.

Another thing is that you, like most people, are not even modding your car properly. Improper mods destroy the synergy created by the engineers who made the car. If you think that you, an inexperienced driver with next to zero knowledge and armed with a small budget, can somehow improve upon a car that a team of experienced engineers and drivers created with the backing of a large auto manufacturer's budget...then well...I dunno, I guess the term for that is delusional. :dunno:

If you think I'm just making assumptions, well here's proof. Case in point - you seem to think that the putting lowering springs on your Fit makes it handle better. Nope, it is overworking the factory shocks and making them perform outside of their physical stroke area as well as their damping capabilities. One of the most basic rules of suspension modding is to match the springs to the shocks...which you've ignored in favour of lowering the car.

At this point, you'll probably be angry and defensive, but take a step back and reread what I wrote before you hit that reply button. Hopefully you'll understand what I'm saying and agree. Now if you just feel like modding because you like tooling around with your car, then that's another thing altogether and you can do whatever you want of course. Just don't claim that you're bettering the car's handling!

Hi Jeff,
While you are much more forward and well, blunt, than most people, I do respect your opinion and am not angry nor offended. Your opinion takes a big picture approach, which is good. I think of it in the same way. I have the feeling though, that sometimes you are taking me for a fool, but I'm sure that just comes from your directness ;). If I were to have a problem with being offended, I would certainly not have posted a question in this thread, knowing you would reply (which I did). :)

I am well aware of the set-backs of the aftermarket springs on stock shocks on my Fit, and I don't have the "performance numbers" to back up myself when I said that it "improves handling". Very good of you to point that out, although, atleast as far as my personal driving experience goes, it does make the car "feel" better as far as handling is concerned. Call that delusional if you want, but that's good enough for me to have them on for now.

You probably think that I'm just the typical ricer out there who wants to "slam" his car and get some bling bling "rimz". Sure, that may be true right now, and I'll be happy to admit I've done some things in the past that I would consider ricer. But I'm the type of person who always likes to continue to learn and improve my knowledge/expertise/skill in as many facets of life as I can so I can make the right choices and minimize my mistakes.

I am not delusional in thinking that everything I do is some sort of vast improvement as if I have a midas touch. I am well aware that I am a "noob" and that I don't know much. That is why I am asking people for advice in this thread, of whom all probably know alot more than myself. If I cared what people would say (especially you), I wouldnt' have posted and I would have done what I wanted. Not the characteristics of a person who thinks they're right about everything (i.e delusional), don't you think? Where I'm going with this is that you don't have to call me a noob with no skills or experience (and whatever other adjectives you chose to leave out, out of respect ;)).

All in all, thanks for your opinion and I agree with your points. But one assumption you are making is about why I want the suspension upgrades. As I mentioned before, I always looking to improve my arsenal. One thing I would definetely like to do in the future is go for some driving courses and experience the car on the track. If there is a suspension out there which can improve this experience, that's what I'm looking for. It's not just to go around town thinking I'm hot shit (but it is partially ;)). If it was still relatively streetable, then that of course would be a big bonus. If you believe that driving on the stock setup is the better way to go, until or if I get some good driving skill, then well...I'm sure you won't hesitate to let me know ;).

[4doorj]

Originally posted by Skyline_Addict


Hi Jeff,
While you are much more forward and well, blunt, than most people, I do respect your opinion and am not angry nor offended. Your opinion takes a big picture approach, which is good. I think of it in the same way. I have the feeling though, that sometimes you are taking me for a fool, but I'm sure that just comes from your directness ;). If I were to have a problem with being offended, I would certainly not have posted a question in this thread, knowing you would reply (which I did). :)

I am well aware of the set-backs of the aftermarket springs on stock shocks on my Fit, and I don't have the "performance numbers" to back up myself when I said that it "improves handling". Very good of you to point that out, although, atleast as far as my personal driving experience goes, it does make the car "feel" better as far as handling is concerned. Call that delusional if you want, but that's good enough for me to have them on for now.

You probably think that I'm just the typical ricer out there who wants to "slam" his car and get some bling bling "rimz". Sure, that may be true right now, and I'll be happy to admit I've done some things in the past that I would consider ricer. But I'm the type of person who always likes to continue to learn and improve my knowledge/expertise/skill in as many facets of life as I can so I can make the right choices and minimize my mistakes.

I am not delusional in thinking that everything I do is some sort of vast improvement as if I have a midas touch. I am well aware that I am a "noob" and that I don't know much. That is why I am asking people for advice in this thread, of whom all probably know alot more than myself. If I cared what people would say (especially you), I wouldnt' have posted and I would have done what I wanted. Not the characteristics of a person who thinks they're right about everything (i.e delusional), don't you think? Where I'm going with this is that you don't have to call me a noob with no skills or experience (and whatever other adjectives you chose to leave out, out of respect ;)).

All in all, thanks for your opinion and I agree with your points. But one assumption you are making is about why I want the suspension upgrades. As I mentioned before, I always looking to improve my arsenal. One thing I would definetely like to do in the future is go for some driving courses and experience the car on the track. If there is a suspension out there which can improve this experience, that's what I'm looking for. It's not just to go around town thinking I'm hot shit (but it is partially ;)). If it was still relatively streetable, then that of course would be a big bonus. If you believe that driving on the stock setup is the better way to go, until or if I get some good driving skill, then well...I'm sure you won't hesitate to let me know ;).
Did you narrow down your choices on suspension and wheels yet?

[GTS Jeff]

Then we are all in agreement. :D

Personally, I love modding cars, so don't mistake me for richiechan. Take a look at the mod list on my old AE86.

http://forums.beyond.ca/st/24292/1985-toyota-corolla-gt-s-ae86/

I would love to kill the front-rear movements of the car, lighten up the rotating mass of the drivetrain, reinforce the diff, use a more aggressive clutch type LSD, and make the car corner flatter. Despite all this, I still think the S2000 in stock form is already more than enough for a noob driver.

[max_boost]

Originally posted by 4doorj

Did you narrow down your choices on suspension and wheels yet?

what suspension do you have j? if i had an S, all i would do is just throw on the eibach pro kit and call it a day. great brand, great spring, great for daily driving, gives the car a great stance minimizing the 4x4, and probably won't notice much a difference in comfort. now whether it would handle better around the track, that i don't know although it claims


Stop Quicker, Corner Faster and get Better MPG

ha guys :D

[Skyline_Addict]

Originally posted by 4doorj

Did you narrow down your choices on suspension and wheels yet?

Nick made some nice suggestions, so I'll look in to some of those options.

Wheels/tires, I'll be shopping around until I see something I really want and hopefully a good deal!

[rc2002]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
Personally, I love modding cars, so don't mistake me for richiechan.


Ouch.

I like modding cars when it improves performance while retaining daily driveability. Unfortunately that's not often the case.

I wouldn't bother with upgrading the suspension unless you're willing to shell out for some high quality stuff and have the time to play with the settings until you get the suspension geometry right.

IMO the OEM suspension is uncomfortable enough as it is.

[Ek9Max]

ya i dunno what suspension i want to get.... I want something that rides/handles like stock. But I do like the look of having it a bit lower.....

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by richardchan2002


Ouch. :D Have you seen this week's Top Gear? Very good message about modding there!