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A2VR6
03-14-2007, 11:55 PM
03/13/2007 - TORRANCE, Calif. - A new club racer-inspired version of the Honda S2000 will take the legendary vehicle's track-worthy performance to an entirely new level when it makes its world debut at the New York International Auto Show on April 4, American Honda Motor Co., Inc., announced today. Engineered around the expectations and needs of Honda performance enthusiasts, the S2000 CR will be available as a new trim level when the aggressively-tuned vehicle goes on sale in the fall of 2007.

http://www.hondanews.com/categories/1097/releases/3913

I REALLY wonder what this car will be like. It sounds VERY intresting!

Zephyr
03-15-2007, 12:18 AM
wow new trim level...interesting

Hollywood
03-16-2007, 07:41 PM
Can someone post the picture that says.."This thread is worthless without pictures".

Thanks.

dj_rice
03-16-2007, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by Hollywood
Can someone post the picture that says.."This thread is worthless without pictures".

Thanks.


http://www.scrapgarden.net/forum/images/smiles/ttiwwp.gif



Done sensei

sl888
03-20-2007, 07:17 PM
Can't wait to see what they are going to do. :thumbsdow for the price of this vehicle when its out unless they have done a lot to the s2k.

4doorj
04-04-2007, 08:19 AM
s2000 CR
i wonder if this really is it?
very brave if so.... the aero doesnt look like your standard honda aero
My Webpage (http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=12&t=477757&st=0#entry10191183)
Suspension and steering modifications
The S2000 CR has the same 2.2-liter 237-hp engine as other S2000s, but don’t let that fool you into thinking it’s just a dress-up job. The most dramatic changes involve springs and shocks that Honda calls “significantly stiffer.” Although no figures are available, our experience with Uehara’s other creations like the Acura Integra type R tells us that he knows the meaning of “significant.” Thicker anti-roll bars round out the suspension changes. A quicker steering ratio will allow drivers to avoid shuffling hands in tight corners. A limited slip differential and defeatable electronic stability control carry over from the regular S2000.

Tires
The S2000 CR’s biggest handling gain over the regular S2000 may come from gumball Bridgestone Potenza RE070 tires similar to those used on the former Japan-market NSX-R. The 215/45R-17 front and 255/40R-17 rear tires have a treadwear rating of 140, which means they are barely able to be called conventional street tires.

Front and rear spoilers
A ludicrously large body kit and a rear cowl fairing behind the seats are claimed to smooth airflow over the S2000 CR. But the most over-the-top aerodynamic modification is the massive rear spoiler. The wing has three distinct horizontal surfaces: the upturned outside sections produce downforce while a flatter center section smoothes airflow over the car. The whole affair is affixed with black supports that look more like a back yard racer’s weekend concoction than factory pieces, but who are we to argue if it works? Honda claims overall downforce on the rear axle at speed, a rare trait for a street car.

Weight savings and chassis
Air conditioning and the sound system are jettisoned in the name of weight savings, but you can add them back in as options. The S2000 CR also loses its power folding softtop to shed a few pounds, and in its place it gains a beefy rear strut tower brace with four mounting points. This is said to enhance the already stellar rigidity of the S2000’s shell so it won’t flex when cornering. A removable aluminum hardtop provides shelter from the elements and admission to tracks where open-top cars aren’t allowed. With the top off, the S2000 CR will weigh approximately 2765 pounds, almost 90 pounds less than the regular S2000.

It is significantly faster on a track, according to Honda
The result of these changes is a claimed two-second reduction in the S2000 CR’s lap time around Honda’s Tochigi test track. That’s a huge difference; you could add 50 horsepower to a regular S2000 and you might not see your lap time drop that much.

Interior modifications
Every special edition needs to look unique, so the S2000 CR has a bunch of dress up features that distinguish it. The most obvious is the Apex Blue paint, which is a pearlescent bright blue evocative of Audi’s Sprint Blue. Black badges and gunmetal gray five-spoke wheels round out the exterior mods. Abundant yellow stitching on the doors, steering wheel, seats, and shifter (which has shorter throws than the already insanely short ones in the regular S2000) complements yellow woven seat inserts. Faux-suede seat bolsters and door panels replace the leather items on the regular S2000 in the name of grip, and they’ll also broaden the S2000 CR’s appeal to PETA members. Faux carbon fiber trim is a slavishly trendy addition, but we can forgive anything in a car this raw.

Pricing
The S2000 CR goes on sale in the fall of 2007 as a 2008 model. The car shown at the New York show isn’t 100 percent production correct, but the body kit, spoiler, and wheels are accurate renditions of what you’ll see in dealers. Pricing isn’t confirmed, but it will certainly be more than the regular S2000’s $35k base price and probably less than $40k. Given the expected production volume of less than 2000 units (no limit was confirmed), Honda will lose money on the deal, a fact that company representatives actually admit. Such corporate honesty is rare, but Honda can afford it. The S2000 CR is a fitting tribute to the man who put “Honda” and “performance” together in the popular lexicon. Let’s hope it’s a harbinger of more great things to come and not a last hurrah.
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schocker
04-04-2007, 08:31 AM
:drool:
wicked upgrades and a great looking s2k:thumbsup:

Mr_ET
04-04-2007, 08:43 AM
that's hot!

toyboy88
04-04-2007, 09:14 AM
More pics/info here:

http://www.caranddriver.com/autoshows/12648/2008-honda-s2000-cr.html

(go hit the slideshow button top right for like ~15 pics)

:D

962 kid
04-04-2007, 09:30 AM
That is weak :thumbsdow a new set of springs, sticky tyres, blue paint, ugly bodykit and fake suede? Sounds like the same "sport pack" kinda thing every japanese manufacturer offers on their cars.

LUCKYSTRIKE
04-04-2007, 09:49 AM
is it just me, or is that car hella ugly?

DepTrotter
04-04-2007, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by LUCKYSTRIKE
is it just me, or is that car hella ugly?

its just you :thumbsdow

4doorj
04-04-2007, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by LUCKYSTRIKE
is it just me, or is that car hella ugly?
on the s2000 forums... alot of disspointment...
some people absolutly hate
some people love it

ken-gsr
04-04-2007, 10:00 AM
wow that is a sweet 4x4 lol

hjr
04-04-2007, 10:31 AM
no, its not just him. it is a uglier than before. i agree that this is a MAJOR disappointment. MAJOR

4doorj
04-04-2007, 10:43 AM
they should of came slammed and with some ce's
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/8624/crcepf1.jpg

kenny
04-04-2007, 10:44 AM
For everyone that is dissapointed? What were you expecting?

LUCKYSTRIKE
04-04-2007, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by kenny
For everyone that is dissapointed? What were you expecting?

Suspension, lighter weight parts, maybe up it 20 or 30 horse, and a non fugly kit, and no huge shopping kart wing. Oh and should be in champ white :clap:

kenny
04-04-2007, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by LUCKYSTRIKE


Suspension, lighter weight parts, maybe up it 20 or 30 horse, and a non fugly kit, and no huge shopping kart wing. Oh and should be in champ white :clap:

And whats the point of all those things on your wishlist? A faster s2000? Guess what, this s2000 IS faster. Aside from your comment on the color, I just don't see how people are dissapointed by this limited production s2000 that is aimed at track whores.

962 kid
04-04-2007, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by kenny


And whats the point of all those things on your wishlist? A faster s2000? Guess what, this s2000 IS faster. Aside from your comment on the color, I just don't see how people are dissapointed by this limited production s2000 that is aimed at track whores.

How is it aimed at track whores? Ooooooh, a set of sticky tyres and some stiffer springs :rolleyes: holy hardcore club racer batman. I bet the fake carbon fibre, suede inserts and abundant yellow stitching are exactly what hardcore racers are looking for in a car.

For 40k US, a real track whore could buy a used AP2 and build a real track s2k. This car is nothing more than a s2k with an OEM bodykit and a set of good tires to make it seem much *faster*

Chandler_Racing
04-04-2007, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by kenny


And whats the point of all those things on your wishlist? A faster s2000? Guess what, this s2000 IS faster. Aside from your comment on the color, I just don't see how people are dissapointed by this limited production s2000 that is aimed at track whores.

Granted the S2000 is faster, but tires play a big role not outright improvements.

The manual option of the new miata is below 2500 (IIRC), there is no reason why the S2000 shouldn't be within a hundred pounds of that. Its also been virtually the same engine, albeit some slight changes in OVER 7 years.

If this car was truly designed for "track whores", in my opinion it would weigh much less, they would incorporate better gearing, and they would have bumped the power even if it was only a modest improvement.

I was hoping for a much more extreme car, maybe if they get Jenson Button to sign it they will unload all 2000 units in the first week :thumbsdow

rage2
04-04-2007, 12:50 PM
Take a stock S2K, slap on better tires, and get 90% of the performance improvements. I'd be pissed too.

speedracer
04-04-2007, 12:57 PM
Few ppl in this forum really track their car so why the bickering? :angel:

With that said - Race season is coming up in Calgary - Join in the fun :D
Race School is coming up in May if you want to come out for fun.

Anyway,

It is significantly faster on a track, according to Honda
The result of these changes is a claimed two-second reduction in the S2000 CR’s lap time around Honda’s Tochigi test track. That’s a huge difference; you could add 50 horsepower to a regular S2000 and you might not see your lap time drop that much.

At the end of the day this is what matters (read above). It's a comfy car that has track duties. It's for the folks that have a bit more money that want a street car and on the weekend some fun at the track.

Like Kenny said for the track whore but not for the club racer.

4doorj
04-04-2007, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by LUCKYSTRIKE


Oh and should be in champ white :clap:
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1966/crwhiteus0.jpg

962 kid
04-04-2007, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by speedracer
At the end of the day this is what matters (read above). It's a comfy car that has track duties. It's for the folks that have a bit more money that want a street car and on the weekend some fun at the track.

Like Kenny said for the track whore but not for the club racer.

That's not the point... if someone wanted a street car and have some fun at the track they could just buy a normal s2k, slap on some stickier tyres and voila :rolleyes: you have yourself a s2000CR. This car just has a tacky bodykit, ugly paint fake interior bits and some RE070s :dunno:

gpomp
04-04-2007, 04:16 PM
this is probably what all the GSR owners were saying back when the ITR was released.

962 kid
04-04-2007, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by gpomp
this is probably what all the GSR owners were saying back when the ITR was released.

I thought that at first, but compare the differences between GSR and ITR:

- B18C5, which had substantial differences from the B18C1
- strengthened chassis
- much more hardcore weight reduction
- close ratio tranny + LSD
- new suspension components
- new exhaust
- new wheels/tyres

to the differences between the s2k and s2kCR:

- new bodykit
- new wheels
- fake cf interior, yellow stitching and fake suede
- sticky tyres
- new suspension components

... hrm, which one seems more track-oriented?

95EagleAWD
04-04-2007, 05:07 PM
I was kind of hoping for a coupe....

arian_ma
04-04-2007, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
I was kind of hoping for a coupe....

Nah man the S is known for the Roadster look. I am kind of disappointed too as I was expecting something as good as the NSX-R vs NSX, it looks better AND is faster sort of thing.

I don't like how this car looks, and I think rage2 is right in saying that most of the changes come from the tires.
They should have upped the god damn engine power, maybe to like the 260-280 range, though that is not that easy I guess. Anyways if it were me I'd save my money, buy an 03 AP1 with the 9000 RPM redline, and put in the difference towards better, wider tires, suspension, a BBK, and some slight engine mods as in I/H/E. I think it would result in the same lap times, or very close to.

I think it's just those wheels and that paint job that are throwing me off though.
:dunno:

Hollywood
04-08-2007, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by dj_rice

http://www.scrapgarden.net/forum/images/smiles/ttiwwp.gif

Done sensei

Good work Kohei!



Originally posted by 962 kid
That is weak :thumbsdow a new set of springs, sticky tyres, blue paint, ugly bodykit and fake suede? Sounds like the same "sport pack" kinda thing every japanese manufacturer offers on their cars.

Werd this is weaksauce.


Originally posted by kenny


And whats the point of all those things on your wishlist? A faster s2000? Guess what, this s2000 IS faster. Aside from your comment on the color, I just don't see how people are dissapointed by this limited production s2000 that is aimed at track whores.

Kenny look at the brakes, standard non performance brakes are they even 4 piston on the front???

If a car is labled a weekend track car by the manufacturer there is no reason why it should not have a performance brakes on the car, as preformace brakes are a key component to a weekend built racer. The 05 nissan sentra spec v's even came with brembo's.....So sad honda, so sad.

Honda blew it.

Hollywood
04-08-2007, 01:09 PM
Also drop that lame motor, 136 TQ for a sports car is a slap in the face, throw in the mdx motor and make it a real car.

Eleanor
04-08-2007, 01:23 PM
That front lip is fugly. Stock looks much better.

brownchild
04-09-2007, 12:07 PM
Its going to be an awesome drive no doubt about it, but it just looks to ricey.:dunno: