Importing a Noble into Canada?

[Chim]

according to this article (http://www.portfolio.com/culture-lifestyle/goods/cars/2007/03/30/How-to-Import-Your-Own-Supercar) you can import a Noble M400 to the states for around $100,000US. Has anybody ever done this in Canada? I wouldn't mind giving it a shot if I ever have 100k kicking around heheh..

Here's the car.... 425bhp :drool:
http://www.portfolio.com/images/site/editorial/lifestyle/2007/04/import.372.jpg

[Toms-SC]

No

[E36M3]

They are cool cars, but I think they are overpriced. I doubt you could make it street legal, but if you were interested in a bargain non-street legal racer, the Ariel Atom is a much better deal.

[iceburns288]

Originally posted by E36M3
They are cool cars, but I think they are overpriced.
How so? They weigh about 2400lbs. They are a good deal in America because they are street legal. As a track car, I see in your point in that they are much more expensive than Atoms and such, but the Noble can be driven daily.

[hjr]

i believe you can bring them in as a 'kit' car, but that means that you have to bring in the chassis and engine and whatnot separately and put it all together

[E36M3]

I've played with a couple of them (a friend of mine has one in California) and they are very fast, and handle very well, but they have questionable build quality, and aren't much more than gocarts. I think for 100k there isn't much competition, but honestly I would rather have a 911 or maybe an M3 and an Atom (good split of civility and track whore)


Originally posted by iceburns288

How so? They weigh about 2400lbs. They are a good deal in America because they are street legal. As a track car, I see in your point in that they are much more expensive than Atoms and such, but the Noble can be driven daily.

[schocker]

I never knew they were that much, but that are cool cars. I also like the aerial atom though and the caterhams. Wicked light little kit cars.

[crazedmodder]

AFAIK kit cars aren't legal in Canada unless it's a completely custom car (IE: that MR-S that had everything down to the frame modified). I don't think it's worth it here. Britain is the pwn for cars, even the Ariel Atom is street legal I believe! Anyways, ya the noble is nice, have you seen the M14/M15?

[Chim]

Damn, I was thinking more of a daily driver than a track car.

Ya man the M14/15 was what I wanted to import if I ever had that kind of dough, moreso the M15.....

:drool:

http://www.mcarsweb.com/noble/m14.jpg

http://carsale.uol.com.br/noticias/fotos/nobleM1503.jpg

[A790]

Originally posted by Chim
Damn, I was thinking more of a daily driver than a track car.

Ya man the M14/15 was what I wanted to import if I ever had that kind of dough, moreso the M15.....

:drool:

http://www.mcarsweb.com/noble/m14.jpg

http://carsale.uol.com.br/noticias/fotos/nobleM1503.jpg

That M14 rocks my socks... wow!

[iceburns288]

Originally posted by E36M3
I've played with a couple of them (a friend of mine has one in California) and they are very fast, and handle very well, but they have questionable build quality, and aren't much more than gocarts. I think for 100k there isn't much competition, but honestly I would rather have a 911 or maybe an M3 and an Atom (good split of civility and track whore)
Try out the M15 when we see them in North America (if we do). I hear Noble is really trying to step up the build quality on their new model :thumbsup: .

[schocker]

Originally posted by crazedmodder
AFAIK kit cars aren't legal in Canada unless it's a completely custom car (IE: that MR-S that had everything down to the frame modified). I don't think it's worth it here. Britain is the pwn for cars, even the Ariel Atom is street legal I believe! Anyways, ya the noble is nice, have you seen the M14/M15?
I dont think that is exactly true. I have seen a caterham or some variation of that a few times in the NW.

[crazedmodder]

I wasn't sure if it was true or not, but I read it here:
http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf
Page 4
Kit cars less than fifteen years old (assembled or unassembled) - none are admissible
This is importation from the US, but I'm guessing it's the same if importing from other coutries. Maybe the Caterham was a US car?

I hope I'm wrong because I would love to get an Atom sometime in the future :love: :drool: :burnout:

[schocker]

Originally posted by crazedmodder
I wasn't sure if it was true or not, but I read it here:
http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf
Page 4
Kit cars less than fifteen years old (assembled or unassembled) - none are admissible
This is importation from the US, but I'm guessing it's the same if importing from other coutries. Maybe the Caterham was a US car?

I hope I'm wrong because I would love to get an Atom sometime in the future :love: :drool: :burnout:
Ah, I guess that makes sense. Hopefully I see it again sometime soon, maybe ask the owner. I was very suprised to see it last summer and saw it a few times.

[2EFNFAST]

Originally posted by schocker

I dont think that is exactly true. I have seen a caterham or some variation of that a few times in the NW.

there's somebody locally (?I think Red Deer?) who builds Lotus Super 7 kits. There's also a Cobra replace builder in Quebec (D&D)


Anyways, kit cars have to be either > 15 years old ~or~ if you're importing them, they can only be imported as kit car parts. A rough guide is that you have to be importing less than 50% of the complete car.

E.g., Look at 2 popular US cobra makers - Superperformance and Factory Five. Factory Five's kit does not include, for example, coil-overs, rear control arms, front lower control arms, fuel components, and a whole slew of other stuff (this gives you a basic run down of what the kit doesn't include - http://www.factoryfive.com/table/ffrkits/roadster/donorlist.html )

Now look at Superperformance - you basically get a complete roller (everything minus the drivetrain).

For years Superperformance has been trying to get around DOT restrictions by importing it in multiple crates.....and just recently they lost their supreme court case and are now barred from importing them into Canada.

[crazedmodder]

So it's not considered a kit car if I import <50% of components? So if I want an Atom (lol I know I've been referencing that a lot :P) I can important say. . .the chassis, the single body panel (hahaha for the "trunk") and the electronics and shit then buy the coils, seats, engine, brakes and wheels here? And it would be legal to drive on road (given I can get insurance I guess)? That would be freakin sweet!!!

Dude if your answer is a yes then you just made my day!

[2EFNFAST]

Originally posted by crazedmodder
So it's not considered a kit car if I import &lt;50% of components? So if I want an Atom (lol I know I've been referencing that a lot :P) I can important say. . .the chassis, the single body panel (hahaha for the &quot;trunk&quot;) and the electronics and shit then buy the coils, seats, engine, brakes and wheels here? And it would be legal to drive on road (given I can get insurance I guess)? That would be freakin sweet!!!

Dude if your answer is a yes then you just made my day!

I don't know; phone the DOT and ask them - however, I would guess not : a lot of kit car makers who import inot Canada have worked with the DOT to ensure their parts can enter Canada. Those that havn't and have just tried to skirt around regulations (e.g., SPF), have run into tons of legal trouble.


And somehow I imagine Ariel hasn't given much thought to the Canadian market.

[crazedmodder]

Oh well, when I get the money (ha, long freaking time), I'll call the DOT up and see what's what. In the end if the car can't come to me I'll go to it! I think an Atom would be the pimpest thing to drive on the streets, screw the T-Rex. And yeah, I can't imagine them caring enough about us to trouble with the crash regulations and stuff.

Oh well, thanks for taking the time to answer man.
To the OP, sorry for the threadjack :(

[E36M3]

The M15 is a step forward, but it is still not worth 100k. To each his own, of course, but there are much better ways to spend your money in my opinion.


Originally posted by iceburns288

Try out the M15 when we see them in North America (if we do). I hear Noble is really trying to step up the build quality on their new model :thumbsup: .

[dirtsniffer]

http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/Search/DRauSearchDetails.aspx?itemid=1848399

Someone buy this car! 50g and registered for street use :)

Hey 2EFN! buy this shizzzzz

[DEATH2000]

Originally posted by dirtsniffer
http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/Search/DRauSearchDetails.aspx?itemid=1848399

Someone buy this car! 50g and registered for street use :)

Hey 2EFN! buy this shizzzzz
You mean $59,000. And its registered for street use in New York.... Not sure how that flies in Canada.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by DEATH2000

You mean $59,000. And its registered for street use in New York.... Not sure how that flies in Canada.

It doesn't. Grey Market cars aren't admissible per the RIV.

[dirtsniffer]

Balls.:thumbsdow

[jacky4566]

I was looking at the MEV Exocet. Which is bascially a miata version of the atom. and got this email back from them:

"Based on my research, the Exocet fits TC's definition of a "Starter Kit" since the Miata donor provides everything like suspension, brakes, steering, etc. We would also remove the normally included Cunifer alloy brake pipe to ensure that is not considered part of the braking system in TC's eyes. Factory Five has had success with this method and you can see their typical procedure here: https://www.factoryfive.com/order-a-kit/international-orders/canada/canadian-import-procedure/
Our shipping consolidator can also arrange shipping of the kit to Canada or I can have it shipped to a freight depot close to the border for you to take home yourself. You would just need to handle the customs broker side of things.

TC's Overview: http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/tp-tp2436-rs200804-menu-685.htm"