94 Octane Pump Gas is HERE at Mohawk!

[rage2]

Thank you everyone for their help! And thank you ARCHS2K from the S2ki prairie redliners forum for the original idea. We now have 94 octane pump gas available in Calgary!!! Glenmore and Shepard Rd. S.E., behind riverbend, now carries 94 octane fuel. Nice and close to Race City too! I've called Husky and have confirmed that this will be the only Mohawk/Husky station with 94 octane until 2004.

Here's their advertisement :

http://www.virgeweb.com/rage2/94octane/110_1025.JPG

The price at the pump :

http://www.virgeweb.com/rage2/94octane/110_1024.JPG

And the price of 92 at other husky stations... SAME PRICE!

http://www.virgeweb.com/rage2/94octane/110_1031.JPG

And a map of their location :

http://www.virgeweb.com/rage2/94octane/map.JPG

Again, thanks to everyone that emailed! Here's the original post...


... but we need your help! Husky/Mohawk is slowly rolling out 94 Octane Performance Plus fuel in Alberta. They started off in... get ready for this... Grand Prairie! :thumbsdow

With the huge number of us with tweaked cars (especially you turbo and supercharged guys), 94 octane availability makes so much sense. Imagine not having to buy expensive race gas... being able to pump 94 at any Mohawk/Husky station and crank up the boost and dial in the ignition advance! Guys in Vancouver have been able to do this for years now... pretty soon it's our turn.

They are thinking of rolling it out in Edmonton and Calgary, but they need our feedback to get the ball rolling. Simply email [email protected] ([email protected]?subject=94 octane availability) asking when 94 octane performance plus is available in Calgary or Edmonton, and they'll know that we want the stuff. Don't believe that it'll work? Call Husky Customer service @ 1-800-661-3835, and they'll tell you the same thing, email them so they know!

[Redlyne_mr2]

Email sent...Alberta has no emissions, we shoudl have been the first province to get higher octane gas

[bol]

sweeet

[spyguy]

FINALY!!!!

[Ben]

email sent. thanks rage.

[GTS Jeff]

emailed!

[gpomp]

:clap:

[Alpine Autowerks]

Done

[rice_eater]

:drool:

[Weapon_R]

Another email sent - even though i won't use it :D

[FiveFreshFish]

Email sent! Maybe the other oil companies will follow their lead.

[cocoabrova]

Originally posted by FiveFreshFish
Email sent! Maybe the other oil companies will follow their lead.
Ditto......Man, I can't wait:burnout: :D

[FN49]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by rage2
[B]... but we need your help! Husky/Mohawk is slowly rolling out 94 Octane Performance Plus fuel in Alberta. They started off in... get ready for this... Grand Prairie! :thumbsdow


Husky knows that Grande (Don't forget the e) Prairie rules!!!:D

[method]

why the hell is grande prairie the test bed?

[rage2]

I was told it was close to the only plant producing 94 octane.

[Sai]

Email sent !!!!!!!!! woooooot 94 octane :)

[nookmumracing]

Like the good old days.......94 oct Petro
Mail sent.......

[speedracer]

Also, Shell is producing 94 Oct...

[Double0Civic]

email sent

[Hollywood]

Email sent. No more toulene!

[redline]

Originally posted by speedracer
Also, Shell is producing 94 Oct...

what gas station is it at?

[Ben]

I've sent an email from every email address I have.

[speedracer]

Originally posted by Hollywood
Email sent. No more toulene!
:confused: :angel:


Originally posted by redline
what gas station is it at?
I forget where in Vancouver I saw it but a couple of stations had it (Along with Chevron ofcourse :bigpimp: ) and in Abbotts<sp>

[Joe Malms]

mail sent and i cross posted on the rx-7 and supra forums.

[Joe Malms]

Originally posted by speedracer
Also, Shell is producing 94 Oct...


when?
where?

[KoukiS14]

Done...

[Initial-D-Nerd]

email sent!

[shadowz]

Done

[Seanith]

sent...crossposted in clubsi and civicevolutions too :D

[B18C]

is this an ethanol blend still? I've heard some bad things about it. Is there any truth to the effects of ethanol blends?

[Ben]

Originally posted by B18C
is this an ethanol blend still? I've heard some bad things about it. Is there any truth to the effects of ethanol blends?

Horrah for Ethanol. I get great results.

[cocoabrova]

Originally posted by B18C
is this an ethanol blend still? I've heard some bad things about it. Is there any truth to the effects of ethanol blends?
I have too in the past, but I've found out that my car runs 100X better with the Mohawk 92, as opposed to Esso 91:thumbsup:

[Rick92]

Cool, I live in G.P.:thumbsup:

[rage2]

Ship us some 94 :).

[Fluidic]

E-mail sent.

Thanks for the heads-up Rage!

Peter

[Tuner1]

That is GREAT news, even for some of us N/A guys :) I wonder if it will be that Ethanol crap?!??! I just want good 'ol Chevron 94!


Rob

[rage2]

Yes it's an ethanol mix. And it ain't crap! :)

[hinggu]

Originally posted by B18C
is this an ethanol blend still? I've heard some bad things about it. Is there any truth to the effects of ethanol blends?

my buddies 89 supra turbo owners manual says that the car shouldn't use ethanol blended gas.. don't know why though!

I have used ethanol belended gas and find it alright!

[turboMiata]

Originally posted by E36S50B32
That is GREAT news, even for some of us N/A guys :) I wonder if it will be that Ethanol crap?!??! I just want good 'ol Chevron 94!


Rob

Chevron 94 ROX!!!

:guns: :guns: :guns:

[B18C]

Originally posted by rage2
Yes it's an ethanol mix. And it ain't crap! :)

Didn't you or Kenny have problems with fuel gauges using ethanol blends.

[rage2]

Originally posted by B18C
Didn't you or Kenny have problems with fuel gauges using ethanol blends.
Kenny thought it was me using Mohawk, but it was actually Shell. They even admitted to the problem and paid ppl to fix their gauges.

My 944 has seen nothing but Mohawk for the last year, and the AMG is mostly Mohawk unless one isn't around.

[DSMer4Life]

I've heard that Ethanol blended gas (or at least Mohawk gas) deteriorates the rubber seals in your fuel system over time, if you use it regularly. A buddy's 92 Plymouth Laser Turbo had the fuel pressure regulator crap out on him. His mechanic asked him if he fills up at Mohawk, which he use to all the time. The mechanic told him that it's no good for the seals, or in this case, the rubber diaphram inside the fpr. Just what I've heard. :dunno: I'm sure intermitent use of it would be alright. I personnaly stick to Shell Gold, but would love to see some higher stuff available. I will write in as well. Of course, there is no substitute for race gas! :burnout:

[Fluidic]

Any word if that 94 is pump octane, or motor octane? Apparently they are two different animals!

Peter

[egmike]

they've Got Mail

[Fluidic]

Hello? Someone answer my question.

Peter

[rage2]

Since we're not living in Europe, it's pump octane (RON+MON/2 or whatever)

[Fluidic]

Awww -- I did not know that.

Thanks Rage.

Peter

[Dj_lebjam]

sent

[GTS Jeff]

actually, ive heard theres a place about 10 minutes south of calgary that has 94 octane

[Seanith]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
actually, ive heard theres a place about 10 minutes south of calgary that has 94 octane

okotoks? :dunno: de winton?

[Fluidic]

94 pump octane will not support huge compression ratio's (meaning 10:1 or higher), also 10:1 is on the edge of detonation central with any pump gas. If you are running 10 or higher you could use an octane booster such as vp racing's c-5. It's the only stuff I've found, that actually does what it says, or you could mix c-12 fuel with pump. c-12 is rated @ about 112 motor octane and will support compression ratio's up to 13.5:1.

[Fluidic]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
actually, ive heard theres a place about 10 minutes south of calgary that has 94 octane

Is it that station North of Airdrie (SP?) called Race Trak Gas or something?! LOL

Peter

[Abom]

Originally posted by Fluidic Digital


Is it that station North of Airdrie (SP?) called Race Trak Gas or something?! LOL

Peter



There's a gas station north of Airdrie with 94 octane? And I never knew about it?!?! :confused:

[Seanith]

Originally posted by Fluidic Digital


Is it that station North of Airdrie (SP?) called Race Trak Gas or something?! LOL

Peter

Airdrie is north of the city. He was talking south. And race trak gas is blatant false advertising. Theres one in calgary off barlow and they didn't have race gas at all :)

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by Fluidic Digital
94 pump octane will not support huge compression ratio's (meaning 10:1 or higher), also 10:1 is on the edge of detonation central with any pump gas. If you are running 10 or higher you could use an octane booster such as vp racing's c-5. It's the only stuff I've found, that actually does what it says, or you could mix c-12 fuel with pump. c-12 is rated @ about 112 motor octane and will support compression ratio's up to 13.5:1. uh i am running 10.3:1 compression with timing advanced to 24 degrees...it runs on 91 octane just fine. there are plenty of bone stock cars with 11:1 compression that also run fine on 91 octane.

[KLCC]

hope we get it soon, maybe we can petition for 103 octane??

[rage2]

We have 103 octane available already at the Mohawk on McKnight near the airport. They're a VP dealer.

[Maxt]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
uh i am running 10.3:1 compression with timing advanced to 24 degrees...it runs on 91 octane just fine. there are plenty of bone stock cars with 11:1 compression that also run fine on 91 octane.
I run a 10.5:1 440 with 32 degrees advance on 91 premium as well, big block chryslers and other older large bore engines are highly susceptible to knock because of the large combustion chamber and large quench area, I find 91 does the trick but it depends on what 91 I use, I can get away with Mohawk,Shell and Husky, but I have troubles with Esso, Petrocan,Fas gas and the off brand stuff like "maverick","domo","Rebel" etc etc...
I use to push the advance up to 34 degrees sometimes even 36, but found carrying my timing light with me all the time was in a pain the ass, just to dial back the timing everytime I got a tank of gas that wasn't quite up to par..
I would welcome 94, gladly...
I got in the habit of everytime I went to BC, I would pack an extra Jerry can with me just to bring back some 94, one time I brought back 4 large jerry cans of the stuff, for a couple of weeks I ran some pretty big boost on my turbo car, there is a huge difference between 10 psi and 19 psi of manifold pressure :drool: .... Maxt

[Maxt]

One more thing...
Race Trac Gas has premium that is usually 3-4 cents lower than everyone elses premium, the reason for that is because its 89 octane not 91, there is a race trac gas less than a block from my house, they mark the pump as premium, with no actual octane number posted , so I asked them , they said its 89, and is marked premium as compared to regular at 87...caveat emptor....Maxt

[CRXguy]

I filled up with Chevron 94 last night in Revelstoke(i think).

0.92/L

:eek: :thumbsup:

[SJC]

Email sent!

I filled up in Chilliwack a month ago...never seen my $ and litres quite so close... :eek: Although between 94 octane and sea level density it was a lot more fun to drive... :thumbsup:

[Seanith]

wow a $1 a litre! :eek:

[BlaCkPlaGUE]

Email sent as well. Im all for it.

[redline]

Originally posted by Fluidic Digital
94 pump octane will not support huge compression ratio's (meaning 10:1 or higher), also 10:1 is on the edge of detonation central with any pump gas. If you are running 10 or higher you could use an octane booster such as vp racing's c-5. It's the only stuff I've found, that actually does what it says, or you could mix c-12 fuel with pump. c-12 is rated @ about 112 motor octane and will support compression ratio's up to 13.5:1.

:confused: :banghead:

[rage2]

haha no doubt. Peter needs to get schooled by howthingswork.com :rofl:

[Fluidic]

Yah - Yah! lol

[)v(ortal]

Email sent as well

-danny

[Fluidic]

I haven't recieved an e-mail reply regarding this topic from Husky. Anyone get anything in reply for all the e-mails and phone calls (I'm sure) they've received.

Peter

[Scat]

Thanks for the info
I emailed

They probably will not reply though.

[BlaCkPlaGUE]

I also have not recieved an email.
btw I also run 10.5:1 compression ratio and 91 octane works great. Wonder how much better 94 would be?

[Fluidic]

A new day, a new week. Let's keep those e-mails streaming in. The more we send, the more likely we are, in having this appear sooner here in Alberta at the pumps.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :D

Peter

[Lump]

Originally posted by BlaCkPlaGUE
I also have not recieved an email.
btw I also run 10.5:1 compression ratio and 91 octane works great. Wonder how much better 94 would be?

If 91 works with your 10.5:1 w/o detonation, 94 will not make any more power. It will probably make LESS power if you don't need the octane. It will slow down the burn and buildup of cylinder pressure, applying the pressure to the piston over more crankshaft degrees "slapping it in the ass on the way down."

Besides, the octane number isn't necessarily directly indicative of how much cylinder pressure you can run w/o detonation - there are other things in racing fuels (aromatics and lead) that do more than add to the octane number.

I ran 11.5:1 on 91 octane with no problems - just have to run enough camshaft to bleed off the dynamic compression, and back the timing out a bit - tried C12 and the car didn't go any quicker - just safer I suppose. Now I run 11:1 on the street with pump gas, and run straight C16 when I'm spraying it.

Still looking forward to trying this new gas when it available to see if I can tell the difference.

Lump

[Alpine Autowerks]

Originally posted by Lump


If 91 works with your 10.5:1 w/o detonation, 94 will not make any more power. It will probably make LESS power if you don't need the octane. It will slow down the burn and buildup of cylinder pressure, applying the pressure to the piston over more crankshaft degrees &quot;slapping it in the ass on the way down.&quot;


The variable here is, if the engine has knock sensors and is mapped for higher octane ( lots of euro cars and performance chips are mapped for 93 octane ) the the ECU will use the available octane as far as it is mapped for. You will get more power in this case.

[Abom]

Originally posted by Lump
If 91 works with your 10.5:1 w/o detonation, 94 will not make any more power. It will probably make LESS power if you don't need the octane. It will slow down the burn and buildup of cylinder pressure, applying the pressure to the piston over more crankshaft degrees &quot;slapping it in the ass on the way down.&quot;


Create less power eh. I've used both 87 octane, as well as 97 octane (not in this province obviously), and I see no loss of power. No, I didn't see a gain either, but higher octane burns better and is more efficient. And even if it's not, and it's the exact same like putting in 87, so what? I don't see the harm done? :dunno:

[rage2]

As a general rule, the higher the octane, the slower the burn, the less the energy/volume, the less the power you'll make. It's so small that you won't feel the difference, but you will see it via poor fuel economy (more throttle to keep car going at speed).

[Abom]

Originally posted by rage2
As a general rule, the higher the octane, the slower the burn, the less the energy/volume, the less the power you'll make. It's so small that you won't feel the difference, but you will see it via poor fuel economy (more throttle to keep car going at speed).


I've heard about the fuel economy, but am curious if it could hurt the engine at all? Or is it basically just the waste of money? :dunno:

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by Abom



I've heard about the fuel economy, but am curious if it could hurt the engine at all? Or is it basically just the waste of money? :dunno: it could hurt the engine (cuz combustion isnt occuring at the right time), but so little that its insignificant.

[Lump]

Originally posted by Abom



Create less power eh. I've used both 87 octane, as well as 97 octane (not in this province obviously), and I see no loss of power. No, I didn't see a gain either, but higher octane burns better and is more efficient. And even if it's not, and it's the exact same like putting in 87, so what? I don't see the harm done? :dunno:

Yes. Can't you read? Slower burn = force is applied over more crankshaft degrees, less power. This is common knowledge. BUT, higher octane can tolerate higher cylinder pressure w/o preignition, which is the only reason why you run higher octane fuel.

If you run it because you think it'll make an economy motor faster, you are wasting your money. I've seen guys pumping C16 into their low compression motors - no different than guys running "high performance" ground wires, K&N filters, or oversized exhaust I guess... :rolleyes:

Hey abom, how did you determine no loss in power? Dyno or track? (not seat of the pants I hope) hey, I'm just trying to save you money. ;)

[Abom]

Originally posted by Lump
Hey abom, how did you determine no loss in power? Dyno or track? (not seat of the pants I hope) hey, I'm just trying to save you money. ;)


Ok, I'll just make it easy here. 87 vs 91 octance, not much difference at all. If you really think you're going to lose 1 second on the 1/4 mile because you filled in a higher octane, then I dunno, lol. There is no difference, throw in C16 racing fuel, still won't be a difference :thumbsup:

[voodoo]

i dont know if you guys know yet or not. but its here. i saw it on glemore trail and (i cant remember the street) its the mowhak right before the train tracks in the SE

[CRXguy]

yup, mohawk at glenmore and shepard rd. 94 oct now available.

[Joe Malms]

NICE!!!!
Now to get some in the NW area

[rage2]

I just checked a shitload of Mohawks, all 92 still. The guy at Glenmore + Shepard Rd (right by Riverbend) says all pumps will be converting to 94 very soon for Husky and Mohawk!

I drove by Dalhousie Station, 14th Street, Edmonton Trail + 16th Ave N.E., and Scenic Acres, all 92 still.

I picked up my AMG today, and filled 'er up with 94 :thumbsup:.

[Alpine Autowerks]

Rage filled up your winter beater too. 1.23 Bar no "K"

[rage2]

Originally posted by Alpine Autowerks
Rage filled up your winter beater too. 1.23 Bar no &quot;K&quot;

Nice... that's another 2psi with no knock... free Power! Gotta love turbos and high octane hehe. Crank up the boost!

I'm going to borrow your OBDII scanner to see how the AMG timing is now...

Oh yea, I updated the first post in the thread. Thanks to everyone that sent out their emails!

[Alpine Autowerks]

Sure ... should be there B4 noon.
Try out the new software with the graphing, you save the raw data to a .csv file

[Fluidic]

FANTASTIC!!!

[DSM Power]

So the 94 is the same price as 92?? LOL.... fill er up!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Sky]

if u just fill 94 instead of 92 in a turbo car....will it make any difference? or do u need some tuning to have any improvments?

[buh_buh]

anyone know any more locations besides that one?

[CRXguy]

Originally posted by buh_buh
anyone know any more locations besides that one?

Lazy guy!!! :rofl:

[buh_buh]

Originally posted by CRXguy


Lazy guy!!! :rofl: Just curious man! Cuz its kinda out of my way to go there, but I got some today haha.

[Redlyne_mr2]

It would be cool to think that Beyond had something to do with having 94 octane brought into Alberta..nice work everyone:clap:

[rage2]

Originally posted by buh_buh
anyone know any more locations besides that one?
I called Husky today, and this is the ONLY Calgary station with 94 octane until 2004.

[buh_buh]

man that sucks, because that gas station is so far out of my way and its probably not open 24 hours. I'll probably just stick with 92 most of the time.

[Dirty_SOHC]

sweet, time to turn up the boost

[HisCrazyWife]

i've heard that ethanol blend is not good for aluminum engines. i never got an explanation of how this is so. is it true?

[JustinL]

Are there any stations in Edmonton dispensing the good stuff?

[rage2]

Originally posted by HisCrazyWife
i've heard that ethanol blend is not good for aluminum engines. i never got an explanation of how this is so. is it true?
On older engines, ethanol over 20% in content can clog fuel injectors, fuel lines and carberators. Also, high ethanol content on carb setups can lead to extremely high Exhaust Gas Temps which can damage everything from pistons to valves. This is why there is a mandate for ethanol to be no greater than 10% as shown in the stickers on the pumps.

On newer vehicles, engines can use ethanol without any problems. In fact, most vehicles from Mercedes, GM and Ford have FFV counterparts, which has a Fuel Quality sensor as well as an ECU that is remapped to use E85 fuel (85% ethanol, 105 octane). Other than bigger injectors, everything else is the same as the gasoline motors we purchase.

As for aluminum engines, I've never heard of just aluminum engines having problems... that's a new one.

[ExtremeSi]

Someone told me that putting premium gas into my car would actually make it worse because it would damage the old seals (I have an 88 Prelude). Should I just stick with the 87 octance I usually get or try the good stuff?