got OWNED by a camaro.

[l/l/rX]

well first little race sort of, and i lost. ahaha.
well it was going up shaganappi. started at the lights at the bottom of that hill. we're both lined up. turns green we're off both have good launches, both tied. 2nd gear im at 80, he's a little bit in front of me. when he hit 3rd gear he was OFF! it was done when i got into 3rd. i backed off.

went to turn onto country hills, while he was still at the lights going into citadel i was going to wave or something but he wasnt looking so yea. we also had 4 ppl in the car. me my sis my bro and my dad. but i dont think that would've made a difference. o well i got my ass handed to me.

it was a red camaro, dual tip exhaust. black top. white guy, donno if that helps but if you're on here nice little run.

[Abom]

Any idea what trim package the Camaro was?

[l/l/rX]

trim package? say what? Ahahaha, i really dont know my camaros very well. i didnt get a good glimpse of the rear either, although it shouldnt of been hard. soo couldnt tell if it was a z28 er not.

[Abom]

Originally posted by l/l/rX
trim package? say what? Ahahaha, i really dont know my camaros very well. i didnt get a good glimpse of the rear either, although it shouldnt of been hard. soo couldnt tell if it was a z28 er not.


Trim, a.k.a. version of the car, like Z28, SS, regular. An SS would stomp all over a lot of our cars.

[eur0]

whats the specs on an ss?

[ryder_23]

Thats awsome, racing with the pops.

[XylathaneGTR]

lol, Way to take your family racing Jarett :D

[Luke 96 T/A]

SS and Z28 have very little difference...
Assuming they're both the V8 models.. As soon as you hit V8, you're talking either an LT1 or an LS1 - if it's model year is 1993+....
Long story short, same engine in both trims... horsepower difference of less than 10.... Main differences are in options and suspension...
LS1 (1998+) in both models put over 300hp to the wheels...

[three.eighteen.]

is there a camaro equivalent trim to the ws6 trans am?

[l/l/rX]

Originally posted by ryder_23
Thats awsome, racing with the pops.


Originally posted by XylathaneGTR
lol, Way to take your family racing Jarett:D

ahaha fa shoz!!!! only way to go homies :D lol, jp. but yea, my dad was like "Aha dont do it" you know he says it but you go and do it. he wasnt being serious or nothing. soo i went at her. and yes indeed i got my ass raped inside out.

my pops is my teacher man. aha he tells me what to do etc. like corners and such. learning heel toe shit. all that stuff so its all good :D :thumbsup: he likes it too.....when we win:rolleyes:

[Luke 96 T/A]

Originally posted by three.eighteen.
is there a camaro equivalent trim to the ws6 trans am?
Yeah.. that'd be the SS ;-)
however, the difference between a WS6 transam and a regular transam is just the forced induction - which only comes into play at over 100mph...
Until then, same horsepower ;-)
In fact, the V8's in the firebird line and the camaro line are all the same, all with similar numbers.. the trim just changes the options and a little suspension...

[redline_13000]

Originally posted by Luke 96 T/A

Yeah.. that'd be the SS ;-)
however, the difference between a WS6 transam and a regular transam is just the forced induction - which only comes into play at over 100mph...
Until then, same horsepower ;-)
In fact, the V8's in the firebird line and the camaro line are all the same, all with similar numbers.. the trim just changes the options and a little suspension...


gotta love that ram air hood:D

[Wildcat]

any idea what year it was? this might help ya..

if it had the round kinda sebring looking headlights and amber in the tailights it was a 98 and up

since it was red and had dual round exhaust, i wonder... did u notice if it had 2 white/grey checkered racing stripes going down the hood? if so it was the 35th anniversary.. :drool: (if it was infact the 98+ apperance)

If it had a hood scoop, more than likely it was an SS, if it was a 98+ SS it has an LS1 engine and 315hp i believe

If it looked like my car than it was a 93-97 and was probly a Z28 which has an LT1 engine with something around 270hp

if it looked like mine with a hood scoop and amber in the tailights it was a 97 SS (hard to come by) they have almost 290hp as a guestimate..

dont get too choked that you got beat by a camaro.. happens to the best of us, the import world has been living with this sad fact for decades.. :D hehe jk

[FiveFreshFish]

Originally posted by l/l/rX
...we also had 4 ppl in the car. me my sis my bro and my dad. but i dont think that would've made a difference...

Without passengers, you would have been ahead up until he hit 3rd gear.

If I make some assumptions, say sis is 125 lbs, bro is 165 lbs and dad is 180 lbs, then you would have saved 470 lbs! That's a HUGE amount of weight when you're racing or not, or easily more than 10% of the weight of your car.

[Ricey_Ricerson]

i just still can't beleive ur dad was in the car.. haha

[StrokeD z]

2001 camaro z28 has 315 hp
camaro ss has 325 hp
35th ann. has 345hp

the ta is the same engine but it is faster by 0.02sec and it is heavier....the companys dont really know why it is faster but i am guessing it is becaus of the hood

[Wildcat]

Originally posted by StrokeD z
2001 camaro z28 has 315 hp
camaro ss has 325 hp
35th ann. has 345hp

the ta is the same engine but it is faster by 0.02sec and it is heavier....the companys dont really know why it is faster but i am guessing it is becaus of the hood

yup, those HP #'s sound pretty close, my #'s were taken off the top of my head, pretty close id say :thumbsup:

and i think the trans am is slightly faster only at high speeds, i think it has alot to do with the aerodynamics of the car, plus the ram air intake on the hood is two and a half times larger than that of the SS... IMO the WS6 is one of the nicest/ most aggressive looking automobiles (for the price range) to come out of the factory... :drool:

[Wildcat]

heres the 35th anniversary camaro.. :drool:
maybe thats what you saw.. :dunno:

[Luke 96 T/A]

Originally posted by redline_13000



gotta love that ram air hood:D
At one time I thought it would be neat to have a nitrous purge out of the nostrils ;-)
And maybe a little bit of red neon inside...

[SilverRex]

Originally posted by FiveFreshFish


Without passengers, you would have been ahead up until he hit 3rd gear.

If I make some assumptions, say sis is 125 lbs, bro is 165 lbs and dad is 180 lbs, then you would have saved 470 lbs! That's a HUGE amount of weight when you're racing or not, or easily more than 10% of the weight of your car.

I agree, even at 100lb there should start to be a difference and if you have ur family probablly at least 350lbs then I must say that would of make a difference.

[Wildcat]

Originally posted by Luke 96 T/A

At one time I thought it would be neat to have a nitrous purge out of the nostrils ;-)
And maybe a little bit of red neon inside...

ya ive seen the nitrous purge coming out of the hood alot; its pretty common with TA nitrous users.. check this out; hehehe... steamed rice.. :rofl:

http://www.f-bodyhideout.com/videos/steamedrice.wmv

[2M6]

LS1 (1998+) in both models put over 300hp to the wheels...
:bullshit:


No offense but that is entirely untrue. The SS/Firehawk/Trans Am model (4th and 5th gen F-Body) were rated at 305-325bhp at the crank not the wheels. That's about 244-265RWHP

This magical 300RWHP (stock) F-Body you speak of is very interesting. Were the results attained from a G-Tech Pro performance meter while accellerating downhill? Maybe the dyno used is located in a secret under-water garage where the air is thick and cold:dunno:

[NickGT]

Originally posted by Wildcat


ya ive seen the nitrous purge coming out of the hood alot; its pretty common with TA nitrous users.. check this out; hehehe... steamed rice.. :rofl:

http://www.f-bodyhideout.com/videos/steamedrice.wmv

haha, nice clip!

[Luke 96 T/A]

Originally posted by 2M6
LS1 (1998+) in both models put over 300hp to the wheels...
:bullshit:


No offense but that is entirely untrue. The SS/Firehawk/Trans Am model (4th and 5th gen F-Body) were rated at 305-325bhp at the crank not the wheels. That's about 244-265RWHP

This magical 300RWHP (stock) F-Body you speak of is very interesting. Were the results attained from a G-Tech Pro performance meter while accellerating downhill? Maybe the dyno used is located in a secret under-water garage where the air is thick and cold:dunno:

Nah man... it's VERY common to see STOCK LS1's dyno over 300hp - none of the G-tech crap either..
I'll provide many dyno links, and many articles demonstrating the fact... Here's a first one, from a non-biased source..
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/0205phr_ls1b/
Here's a dynochart from another site.. look around, and you'll find a few more there too... let me know if you want some more ;-)
http://www.ls1info.com/article.php?sid=254&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
next time, do your own homework first ;-)
And if you want to fight, provide me with a dyno report from an LS1 with UNDER 290hp... then we'll talk ;)

[THREE40SEVEN]

Originally posted by 2M6
LS1 (1998+) in both models put over 300hp to the wheels...
:bullshit:


No offense but that is entirely untrue. The SS/Firehawk/Trans Am model (4th and 5th gen F-Body) were rated at 305-325bhp at the crank not the wheels. That's about 244-265RWHP

This magical 300RWHP (stock) F-Body you speak of is very interesting. Were the results attained from a G-Tech Pro performance meter while accellerating downhill? Maybe the dyno used is located in a secret under-water garage where the air is thick and cold:dunno:
Have you dynoed one? Obviously not.
Mustang Md250 dyno- 290rwhp STOCK on tomas dyno.
Typical #'s on dynojets are 310-320rwhp.
Next time be sure you know what you're talking about before you post.
The Ls1 is a very potent engine right out of the box.

[l/l/rX]

Originally posted by Wildcat
any idea what year it was? this might help ya..

if it had the round kinda sebring looking headlights and amber in the tailights it was a 98 and up

since it was red and had dual round exhaust, i wonder... did u notice if it had 2 white/grey checkered racing stripes going down the hood? if so it was the 35th anniversary.. :drool: (if it was infact the 98+ apperance)

If it had a hood scoop, more than likely it was an SS, if it was a 98+ SS it has an LS1 engine and 315hp i believe

If it looked like my car than it was a 93-97 and was probly a Z28 which has an LT1 engine with something around 270hp

if it looked like mine with a hood scoop and amber in the tailights it was a 97 SS (hard to come by) they have almost 290hp as a guestimate..

dont get too choked that you got beat by a camaro.. happens to the best of us, the import world has been living with this sad fact for decades.. :D hehe jk

hmm it didnt have racing stripes. no hood scoop. it DIDNT have dual exhaust. just a dual TIP! it does look like your car. and amber tail lights i really have no clue, cause he never slowed down :( aha yea.

[l/l/rX]

Originally posted by FiveFreshFish


Without passengers, you would have been ahead up until he hit 3rd gear.

If I make some assumptions, say sis is 125 lbs, bro is 165 lbs and dad is 180 lbs, then you would have saved 470 lbs! That's a HUGE amount of weight when you're racing or not, or easily more than 10% of the weight of your car.

well, my sis is around 115, im 105, my LIL bro is like 95, dad, im est. 150ish MAYBE, so thats like 465lbs, which i guess is alot. you forgot me...the driver ahaha.


Originally posted by Ricey_Ricerson

i just still can't beleive ur dad was in the car.. haha

ahaha like i said my dad likes this kind of stuff. and my sibblings were knudging me on too! :thumbsup: ahaha, what a family eh? my dad just reminds me once in a while, to be careful, safety, police and all that stuff. but the roads were dead. one car in front of us, but it was far far away. so that didnt matter.

[94CoRd]

ahh jarett man...i have a secret....lol...that was me....except it wasnt a camaro..it was my accord who indeed rapped your wrx.....


i wish..:P...ahahha.....shit man that sux....no worries tho..we win some..we lose some.....lol....what a saying..ahaha..no worries bro...lol....but i'm out...c-ya

[Wildcat]

Originally posted by 2M6
LS1 (1998+) in both models put over 300hp to the wheels...
:bullshit:


No offense but that is entirely untrue. The SS/Firehawk/Trans Am model (4th and 5th gen F-Body) were rated at 305-325bhp at the crank not the wheels. That's about 244-265RWHP

This magical 300RWHP (stock) F-Body you speak of is very interesting. Were the results attained from a G-Tech Pro performance meter while accellerating downhill? Maybe the dyno used is located in a secret under-water garage where the air is thick and cold:dunno:

:rolleyes: pipe down you...

Position: Front Engine
Configuration: LS1 V8
Valvetrain: OHV
Displacement 345.7 CU / 5666 CC
Power: 325.1 BHP / 242.4 KW @ 5200 RPM
Torque: 340.0 FT LBS / 461 NM @ 4000 RPM
Compression Ratio: Not Avaliable
Redline: 6200 RPM
Stroke: 3.62 IN / 92 MM
Bore: 3.9 IN / 99 MM
Gear Type: MM6 6-Speed Manual
1st Gear Ratio: 2.66:1
2nd Gear Ratio: 2.66:1
3rd Gear Ratio: 1.30:1
4th Gear Ratio: 1.00:1
5th Gear Ratio: 0.74:1
6th Gear Ratio 0.50:1
7th Gear Ratio: Not Avaliable
Final Drive Ratio: 3.42:1



Originally posted by Luke 96 T/A


Nah man... it's VERY common to see STOCK LS1's dyno over 300hp - none of the G-tech crap either..
I'll provide many dyno links, and many articles demonstrating the fact... Here's a first one, from a non-biased source..
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/0205phr_ls1b/
Here's a dynochart from another site.. look around, and you'll find a few more there too... let me know if you want some more ;-)
http://www.ls1info.com/article.php?sid=254&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
next time, do your own homework first ;-)
And if you want to fight, provide me with a dyno report from an LS1 with UNDER 290hp... then we'll talk ;)



Originally posted by THREE40SEVEN

Have you dynoed one? Obviously not.
Mustang Md250 dyno- 290rwhp STOCK on tomas dyno.
Typical #'s on dynojets are 310-320rwhp.
Next time be sure you know what you're talking about before you post.
The Ls1 is a very potent engine right out of the box.

Both of these guys know their shit :thumbsup:

[szw]

Originally posted by l/l/rX


you forgot me...the driver ahaha.



He didn't forget you...who would have driven the car?

[talonboi]

i know SS are fast....the only car that beat me when i was driving a supra with bpu's hehehe but after i cranked up the boost i won haha

[Ebbsvette]

well...ya gotta love those american muscles huh? atleast u lasted to 3rd...some dont even last that long vs us

[redline_13000]

Originally posted by l/l/rX


hmm it didnt have racing stripes. no hood scoop. it DIDNT have dual exhaust. just a dual TIP! it does look like your car. and amber tail lights i really have no clue, cause he never slowed down :( aha yea.


if it was a single exhaust with a dual tip, you got owned by a v6 camaro most likely:)

[Wildcat]

Originally posted by redline_13000



if it was a single exhaust with a dual tip, you got owned by a v6 camaro most likely:)

ya that wouldve sucked! my car is slow as shit! :rofl:

[l/l/rX]

Originally posted by szw


He didn't forget you...who would have driven the car?

ahhhh true true, you got a point there ahah my bad.:nut:


Originally posted by Ebbsvette


well...ya gotta love those american muscles huh? atleast u lasted to 3rd...some dont even last that long vs us

ahah when it passed me, it passed pretty fast, i was like nooooooo MONICA ahaha :rofl: just jokes. but yea when it passed i was like awww, this sucks :banghead: aha

[2M6]

From the stats posted


Position: Front Engine
Configuration: LS1 V8
Valvetrain: OHV
Displacement 345.7 CU / 5666 CC
Power: 325.1 BHP / 242.4 KW @ 5200 RPM
Torque: 340.0 FT LBS / 461 NM @ 4000 RPM
Compression Ratio: Not Avaliable
Redline: 6200 RPM
Stroke: 3.62 IN / 92 MM
Bore: 3.9 IN / 99 MM
Gear Type: MM6 6-Speed Manual
1st Gear Ratio: 2.66:1
2nd Gear Ratio: 2.66:1
3rd Gear Ratio: 1.30:1
4th Gear Ratio: 1.00:1
5th Gear Ratio: 0.74:1
6th Gear Ratio 0.50:1
7th Gear Ratio: Not Avaliable
Final Drive Ratio: 3.42:1



That power is measured on an engine dynomometer not a chassis dynomometer.

I know Chevrolet has been under-rating their powerful cars since the 60's but I didn't know they were that under-rated
:dunno:

[StrokeD z]

the 35th ann had the exhaust comming out of the middle of the rear

[Wildcat]

Originally posted by StrokeD z
the 35th ann had the exhaust comming out of the middle of the rear

no its a dual exahust with single round tips on either side.

[civic_rida]

Dont u hate those ricers wit dual exhaust on camaro's tring to make them selves look like z28's

[Wildcat]

Originally posted by civic_rida
Dont u hate those ricers wit dual exhaust on camaro's tring to make them selves look like z28's

ya i do :rofl: , but at least they sound good..

[Wildcat]

Originally posted by civic_rida
Dont u hate those ricers wit dual exhaust on camaro's tring to make them selves look like z28's

ya i do :rofl: , but at least they sound good..

[Luke 96 T/A]

Ummm.. any 93+ V8 camaro usually has dual exhaust... whether or not it's a Z28...

[Wildcat]

Originally posted by Luke 96 T/A
Ummm.. any 93+ V8 camaro usually has dual exhaust... whether or not it's a Z28...

:confused: .... *cough*V6*cough*cough*

[Luke 96 T/A]

Who buys a V6 camaro??????
hahaha - j/k ;-)

[redline_13000]

Originally posted by Luke 96 T/A
Who buys a V6 camaro??????
hahaha - j/k ;-)


lol, thats what angers me:banghead:

[StrokeD z]

who buys a v6 mustang
who buys a automatic vette lolololol

[Ebbsvette]

i bought an automatic vette....3 speed....4:11 gears.....plenty for me....im faster than any non z06 vette stock....even the manual

[DonJuan]

Who buy's v6 F bodies and Ponys? the answer is old people who just want to look fast to the person that knows nuthin about cars. Nice car ebbsvette wasn't that car sellin on e-bay? Looks like an the original in RICE! crazy body kit, aftermarket wheels and headlights, wing on back, very bright colour and probably a nice big bottle of NAAWWWSSS!:thumbsup: Just playin:rofl:

[Ebbsvette]

actually...all motor....yea...body kit and stuff...cause it got wrecked so why not put kit and other goodies on it......o...and spoiler came stock....wheels arent flashy.....a ricer is slow...and i am not.......but yea....looks ricy....but...still fast....and true muscle

[DonJuan]

So it is the one off ebay then. I thought I saw it some where before. I always wanted one back when I was growin up. She looks good, how much did u get her for? If u don't mine me askin? and of course what does it run in the 1/4? oh and to make this post on topic: "I've never raced a Camaro" (that's close enough right?)

[4CylFiero]

No offense but that is entirely untrue. The SS/Firehawk/Trans Am model (4th and 5th gen F-Body) were rated at 305-325bhp at the crank not the wheels. That's about 244-265RWHP

Man what you said before is like a 20 % drivetrain loss, that would be pretty high. Do FR lose more drivetrain horsepower then MR or FF do? just trying to learn cause it that is the case then i would have about 74 horse to wheels. LOL

[Ebbsvette]

i was the one selling it on ebay.....ive put a good bit of money into that car....just in simple restoration prolly around 10k.....new engine and such.....and i really dunno its 1/4 mile time...owned it for a year and have never taken it to the track...mainly cause its a 3 hour drive to the nearest 1/4 mile track from where i live.....oh...and to make this on topic....ive raced ss camaros and z28's and beat em both...

[Wildcat]

Originally posted by Ebbsvette
i was the one selling it on ebay.....ive put a good bit of money into that car....just in simple restoration prolly around 10k.....new engine and such.....and i really dunno its 1/4 mile time...owned it for a year and have never taken it to the track...mainly cause its a 3 hour drive to the nearest 1/4 mile track from where i live.....oh...and to make this on topic....ive raced ss camaros and z28's and beat em both...

you should race gripenfelter on this board, 99% sure his z28 would spank you

[Ebbsvette]

what does he have done? and he prolly would....my engine hasnt been touched at all

[Wildcat]

Originally posted by Ebbsvette
what does he have done? and he prolly would....my engine hasnt been touched at all

you can see it in the members section, shitloads of stuff done to it but the big change is that its a stroked Lt1... 383 maybe :dunno:

[Boostn]

I used to own a 99 SS and it dynoed just under 300 rwhp stock at Davenport. I still miss that car... :(

[Wildcat]

Originally posted by Boostn
I used to own a 99 SS and it dynoed just under 300 rwhp stock at Davenport. I still miss that car... :(

did you sell it or buried it into a wall? id miss it too... :(

[Ashkente]

Originally posted by 4CylFiero


Man what you said before is like a 20 % drivetrain loss, that would be pretty high. Do FR lose more drivetrain horsepower then MR or FF do? just trying to learn cause it that is the case then i would have about 74 horse to wheels. LOL

Some rough numbers I've seen are ~15% for FR, and ~12% loss for MR/FF. So you likely put down about 80HP....yay for MR :thumbsup: