sad car story...... but a good read.

[88CRX]

http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/e21/forum.php?postid=3378984

it really long but defiantely worth it..

[Weapon_R]

I actually read the whole thing! Good read, but the ending sucks. Hopefully he'll update it.

[Team_Mclaren]

holy shit that took a while to read, anyone wanna burn time com and read this!!
good find

[88CRX]

http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/e21/forum.php?postid=3379064&page=1

here is a small update

[ryder_23]

Wow. I read it too, and i usually cant concentrate for that long...whats the final outcome? thanks

[Vitesse951]

Poor, Poor guy! I wonder if he ever got his money back.

[RiceCake]

Damn that's sad! :thumbsdow

[Super_Geo]

Francisco Montoya
12150 Sugar Pine Trl
Wellington, FL
(561) 790-3932

I've called him 3 times already asking about the M3. "Oh, I don't have the car anymore. It's no longer my car." :rolleyes:

He doesn't like that at 1:30AM, apparantly. I guess I will try again at 2:30AM.

[sexualbanana]

since u guys read it, gimme a summary

[Abom]

Originally posted by sexualbanana
since u guys read it, gimme a summary


Basically, an asshole (FranciscoMontoya) sold a car that was stolen and radically modified to avoid easy detection that it's a stolen car (VIN #s changed, that shit). Poor guy flew all the way down from Washington State, bought the car in good faith, and Montoya, who obviously knew something was seriously up with the car, took the money and won't refund it. Very sad that shit like that happens. Even if Montoya didn't know it was stolen and modified to appear legit, he should still refund the money :thumbsdow

[Super_Geo]

HAHAHAHA, the fucker called me back asking where I found his number. I said autotrader.ca. Haha, he couldn't find it there... :confused:

Tell him a friend said his wife was talking about the car, and how nice it was. The "WHAT?!" response was fucking priceless. Haha, what a dumbass.

[Abom]

hahahahaha, are people REALLY calling him at this very minute?

[Super_Geo]

Originally posted by Abom
hahahahaha, are people REALLY calling him at this very minute?


Haha, I was.

Hell, we all should. Put on the best Fubar voice you can and tell him that Deener wants to race him in his camero.

[Abom]

Originally posted by Super_Geo



Haha, I was.

Hell, we all should. Put on the best Fubar voice you can and tell him that Deener wants to race him in his camero.


Someone should e-mail the buyer (forget his name), and let him know that beyond.ca is behind him!! :thumbsup:

[Kamen]

Originally posted by Super_Geo
Francisco Montoya
12150 Sugar Pine Trl
Wellington, FL
(561) 790-3932

I've called him 3 times already asking about the M3. "Oh, I don't have the car anymore. It's no longer my car." :rolleyes:

He doesn't like that at 1:30AM, apparantly. I guess I will try again at 2:30AM.

I bet he gets a lot of this shit now. Let's all call the bastard and make his life hell!

Took me awhile to read the whole thing...that's crazy...poor guy.

[Kamen]

Originally posted by Super_Geo
HAHAHAHA, the fucker called me back asking where I found his number. I said autotrader.ca. Haha, he couldn't find it there... :confused:

Tell him a friend said his wife was talking about the car, and how nice it was. The "WHAT?!" response was fucking priceless. Haha, what a dumbass.

Careful he doesn't get a hold of your residence information...you never know what this bitch will do...

[Vitesse951]

*67!!!!

I am going to call him and fuck with him.

[Vitesse951]

Holy shit, I just called him... funny stuff.

Me:Hey bitch, you better give that guy his money back.
Him: Who the fuck is this?
Me: Yeah I'm gonna tell you that. You are so fucked, they sold this story to Dateline. You're gonna be all over TV, your life is ruined.
Him: I can find out who this is.
Me: Do it then.
End

Kinda scary, if he is involved in a chop shop, he might send someone to kill me... glad I dialed *67

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by Abom



Someone should e-mail the buyer (forget his name), and let him know that beyond.ca is behind him!! :thumbsup: done!! i emailed him a link to this thread and invited him it sign up and keep us updated. man, i feel bad for the guy. e30 m3 is an amazing car...and to think that anyone could bastardize it with this kinda shit....just sick.

[Dave P]

Hahaha. its 336 right now. i just called

funny shit man

EDIT: THis is the CONVO

Fran: Hello
Me: Fransico my man, hows it going
Fran: who the fuck is this
Me: Still got the M3 for sale?
Fran: No, its gone
Me:What about the stuudda?
Fran:No, its not for sale, who the fuck is this
Me: Fuck you, Keith is gonna own you ya damn car theif
Fran: You better hope i dont find out who this is......

then he started yelling but i hung up


so much fun

[Team_Mclaren]

u guys are serious about callin him..:clap: :clap:

may be i'll do it too, just for the kicks!!!:thumbsup:

[yankeefan]

the dude is probably more pissed that he didnt beat that guys ass then he is about loseing the money. I mean money comes and goes and its sucks to get scammed.. but not jacking that dude up will sit bad with you for the rest of your life=p

[Fluidic]

I just read that entire story. My god, I feel so bad for Keith. This Fransico guy is a fucking coward.

The Internet is a powerful tool -- I'm going to make sure this visits a "lot-more" forum boards.

Peter

[Fluidic]

Oh... and guys -- don't forget to *67 your calls before calling him -- don't want any trouble up here in good ole` Canada! :thumbsup: ;)

Peter

[Gotrek]

You guys aren't helping by calling him. Remember in the states if you harass someone it just makes things 1000 times worst in court. Fransisco can just say he was being harrassed by the buyers friends, This isn't helping him out stop calling

[Super_Geo]

Don't link it to the buyer. Just call and pretend to be genuinelly interested in the car.... at 3AM.

[Gotrek]

You don't think he'll catch on when people say -
Me: Fuck you, Keith is gonna own you ya damn car theif

And


Me:Hey bitch, you better give that guy his money back.
Him: Who the fuck is this?
Me: Yeah I'm gonna tell you that. You are so fucked, they sold this story to Dateline. You're gonna be all over TV, your life is ruined.

[88CRX]

yea i say stop calling.... hes dealing with it legaly.

[Super_Geo]

I wonder why the cops couldn't do more when he was in Florida. I mean, he has enough evidence to prove his story, couldn't the cops go down and say "hey buddy, you're selling stolen cars, we need to question you."
???

[Fluidic]

Originally posted by Gotrek
You guys aren't helping by calling him. Remember in the states if you harass someone it just makes things 1000 times worst in court. Francisco can just say he was being harassed by the buyers friends, This isn't helping him out stop calling

Are YOU friends with Francisco – I think that’s the ultimate question here. You seem to be treating him and/or this situation like he hasn't really done anything wrong. I can bet, that if someone ripped you off of this size and proportion -- you would come whining on the forum board for us to come do something.

If this “Keith” fellow has willing posted up this “Francisco” characters address and phone number with area code – I think he is in-directly informing us that he should receive a mild form of harassment.

Later

[Gotrek]

Originally posted by Fluidic Digital


Are YOU friends with Francisco – I think that’s the ultimate question here.


Ok ouch, sorry I just think harrassing someone will not help one bit. It's the wrong way to deal with this. "Keith" has already followed the proper steps to deal with this problem Nicely detailed in part III of his post. I just think calling the guy and harrassing him is not helping but maybe it makes you guys feel better.

[Super_Geo]

Well, obviously Gotrek isn't friends with this Francisco.

You guys are right, phoning him probably isn't the best idea if Keith is pursuing legal channels. Though, having been burned on a few deals before, the idea of having 1000s of people harass one guy is kinda comforting :)

[Fluidic]

All you have to do is put your feet in the shoes of Keith -- poor guy lost $12,000 round-trip -- a few phone calls creating small irritation is tolerable -- only in this extreme condition.

Peter

[Gotrek]

Not when it comes to legal affairs.

[Vitesse951]

He must think that this is one person. When I called, he said something like "stop calling here." I had only called once. He needs to know that this is alot of different people. It's more likely to get something done if he thinks so.

I know for a fact that calling Montoya will make no difference in court. It will not give him any sort of advantage. I say keep the calls coming.

[hinggu]

keep in mind too guys that the keith story might not be real.. I mean, I am not saing it isn't but there could be a chance that it is and you are harrassing some guy for no reason.

[Super_Geo]

Originally posted by hinggu
keep in mind too guys that the keith story might not be real.. I mean, I am not saing it isn't but there could be a chance that it is and you are harrassing some guy for no reason.

That is a possibility... but that would be one hell of a long story to write for no reason.

Oh, and I looked on autotrader.com, and Keith actually did post an ad saying "I BOUGHT THIS STOLEN CAR, if you contacted the guy, contact me" (not exact words). I think the story's legit.

[redx2nv]

I think the old ITR longblock motor for a $1000 in the auto recycler does wonders to piss people off!!!!!

Sign him up for gay porno mags, his adress is posted!

[mwmhong]

You should be careful what you say over the phone.
The Francisco guy could have threatening calls traced and press charges for assault (*67 won't save you).

[ScCab]

Originally posted by Gotrek



Ok ouch, sorry I just think harrassing someone will not help one bit. It's the wrong way to deal with this. "Keith" has already followed the proper steps to deal with this problem Nicely detailed in part III of his post. I just think calling the guy and harrassing him is not helping but maybe it makes you guys feel better.

I agree. It doesn't help the situation anymore.

Originally posted by Fluidic Digital
Are YOU friends with Francisco – I think that’s the ultimate question here. You seem to be treating him and/or this situation like he hasn't really done anything wrong. I can bet, that if someone ripped you off of this size and proportion -- you would come whining on the forum board for us to come do something.
am I now a friend of Francisco:rolleyes:

[boi-alien]

Originally posted by ScCab
am I now a friend of Francisco:rolleyes: nope, it makes you his best friend!! :thumbsup:

[Kamen]

This thread is getting ridiculous with the finger pointing...
Just use your common sense, if you guys are gonna call him to harass him, don't mention Keith or any names at all.

Like Super_Geo mentioned, just pretend to be interested in the car.

[EstoMax]

Originally posted by redx2nv


Sign him up for gay porno mags, his adress is posted!

:clap: :clap: someone should do it! rage or kenny or someone who doesnt care about 30 bux or however much it costs

not me tho.. im just 17 and i dont got a credit card or anythign

max :rofl:

[Super_Geo]

Originally posted by Lt. Max


:clap: :clap: someone should do it! rage or kenny or someone who doesnt care about 30 bux or however much it costs

not me tho.. im just 17 and i dont got a credit card or anythign

max :rofl:

Haha, or you could just send him an envelope with some flour in it.

[ryder_23]

If you really want, just grab a shitload of change, and goto a pay phone...use the pay phone to make your calls, he can trace it as much as he wants...just make sure theirs no cameras around if it really get serious...*67 is just a temporary block on caller id, if you really wanted to, you could easily find out who it is...I say just call at an unwanted time, and ask about the car, dont mention anything else...this way "keith" doesnt get shit from the cops, and that its just people askin about the car...

[Fluidic]

I'm feeling as if I'm interested in purchasing an M3 -- a RED M3! lol

Awww damnit... I'm going to bed now... oh well... when I wake up at 1:30AM -- I will be sure to give him a call -- what's that -- like 4:30AM down there? I'm sure he will be up! :P

Peter

[lammer]

how will he show that it really happened in court? How can Fransisco prove to the judge that he was being harrased by "friends"?

[Abom]

Originally posted by Gotrek
Not when it comes to legal affairs.


You're a moron, it makes no difference. He sells stolen cars, you think the court is going to make a different ruling because he says that Keith had his friends call him? You need to learn a few things.





Originally posted by mwmhong
You should be careful what you say over the phone.
The Francisco guy could have threatening calls traced and press charges for assault (*67 won't save you).


Oh, right, he's going to press charges in another country because he's doing something illegal and people are yelling at him for it. It's not like someone is threatening to kill him or something. People just calling at 3am to piss him off. If he wanted it to stop, he'd have his phone number changed. The cops would tell him the same. Have you ever had your car broken into and stuff stolen? I have. The cops just fill out a report and let the insurance handle it. Do they finger print the car? No. Do they ask people / shops around where your car was broken into if someone saw anything? No. Get a life, you won't get in trouble for calling someone and telling them to fuck off and stop selling stolen cars. Maybe if you did it non-stop it'd be a problem, but if you do it once, nothing's going to happen.

[Fluidic]

No Abom -- he's not a moron -- he is simply expressing his belief of what he thinks could happen, that's all. :)

Peter

[Abom]

Originally posted by Fluidic Digital
No Abom -- he's not a moron -- he is simply expressing his belief of what he thinks could happen, that's all. :)

Peter


Well if he doesn't know, he shouldn't say anything ;)

[ryder_23]

Actually, i dont think he can press charges on phone harasment over the border...not sure, but im just guessing, he cant do sqwat...except maybe hunt u down, but thats it...

[Abom]

Originally posted by ryder_23
Actually, i dont think he can press charges on phone harasment over the border...not sure, but im just guessing, he cant do sqwat...except maybe hunt u down, but thats it...


With all the expenses, work involved, and the fact that he is selling stolen cars, I don't think the cops there would even start an investigation into it.

[mwmhong]

Originally posted by Abom

Oh, right, he's going to press charges in another country because he's doing something illegal and people are yelling at him for it. It's not like someone is threatening to kill him or something. People just calling at 3am to piss him off.If he wanted it to stop, he'd have his phone number changed. The cops would tell him the same. Have you ever had your car broken into and stuff stolen? I have. The cops just fill out a report and let the insurance handle it. Do they finger print the car? No. Do they ask people / shops around where your car was broken into if someone saw anything? No. Get a life, you won't get in trouble for calling someone and telling them to fuck off and stop selling stolen cars. Maybe if you did it non-stop it'd be a problem, but if you do it once, nothing's going to happen.

Learn how to read, I said:


Originally posted by mwmhong
You should be careful what you say over the phone.
The Francisco guy could have threatening calls traced and press charges for assault (*67 won't save you).

Keywords are COULD and THREATENING.
Uttering threats isn't just 'threatening to kill him or something'.
It also includes threats upon him as a person, his property, even his lousy pets.
You CAN be charged for it.


People are jumping on and starting to call this guy and I don't want to see people get in trouble for doing anything illegal.
The other stuff could be considered a nuisance (illegal too), but I won't get into that.

As for across-the-border calls, charges have been pressed for threatening and harassing calls that crossed the Canada/US border.
I don't know where you get the idea that people calling across the border are in some safe-haven where laws do not apply.



Originally posted by Abom
Well if he doesn't know, he shouldn't say anything ;)

Yeah, you should take some of your own advice. ;)
I have both gotten in and given out trouble in regards to threatening phone calls, so I know what not to do.



Originally posted by Abom
With all the expenses, work involved, and the fact that he is selling stolen cars, I don't think the cops there would even start an investigation into it.

You have a point there. :)
But what if Hingu is right and the guy is innocent and just being harassed because some troll put his info up on the forum, making this whole story up.
I wouldn't want to be making a threatening call whether the story is true or not.

[ryder_23]

True, it would be way to big of a hassle for him, and the police...plus phone harrasment or stolen vehicles with diff vin #, hmmm, what one do u think they;d put their tax payers money into.....

[Abom]

mwmhong: Yeah, if you threaten him, he can have something done about it. However, since it would be out of country for him, I doubt anything will happen. Secondly, even if you did it locally, unless you really threatened to kill someone on more than 1 occasion, it won't result in much, just a warning from the cops. I know this, I've had these problems before with people who didn't like me too much ;)


The did shut up in the end tho, but that's a different story :D

[ryder_23]

Anyone know what the final verdict is in this case? or is it still to be decided...i recon i'll give him a call when i'm nice and hammered..that way i will fight back and actually cuss his ass out if he starts yellin at me.

[Abom]

Originally posted by ryder_23
i recon i'll give him a call when i'm nice and hammered..that way i will fight back and actually cuss his ass out if he starts yellin at me.


hahahahaha :rofl: