traffic ticket

[SI-vic]

K, so my dad bought a new car the other day and I decided to take it for a spin for once.
I forgot my license in MY car so I didnt have it with me, I yeilded at the yeild sign, and a cop cruiser goes straight (I yeilded to them), they give me a weird look and pull me over literally 5-10seconds later, I didnt know what crime I did.
I pulled over, they ask for my license and registration and etc...
I gave it all to them except my license.... I forgot my license in MY car, I explained it to them.
They take my information and etc, they come back 5min later and hand me a "failure to produce a license" ticket for a fuckin nice $175..... I cannot believe this.
They didnt give me any other tickets, just that one, they didnt even tell me why they pulled me over or anything in the first place.
On the ticket it doesnt really say what the ticket is for, except it has
DID UNLAWFULLY CONTAVENE SECTION 167, sub section (i).
thats pretty much all it has...


Ok I heard that if I can show them my license the next day then they'll rip up the ticket, is this true or not?
any help would be appreicated..


EDIT: HEY I ALSO HAEV JUST NOTICED THAT ON THE TICKET IT SAYS THAT THE DATE IS JUNE 30,2003, infact today is JUNE 20,2003.
I had a teacher who told me once that if the date is even wrong then the ticket is ripped up.... ANY TRUTH TO THIS?

[yankeefan]

should always ask why you got pulled over. most times the cops will ask some loaded question like 'do you know why I pulled you over' or something to that extent... trying too get you to incriminate yourself. I usually just answer with 'I know why you didnt pull me over, it wasnt for speeding.' then they say ohh really blah blah mines bigger then yours etc. etc.


it sounds like they just wanted to harass you and since you didnt have your liscense it gave them a way to slap you with a ticket rather then just letting you go. you'll prolly end up paying the 25 dollar court fee and that will be that.

[omar_allibhai]

yep if there is anything false on the ticket like spelling, dates, or numbers than it is automatically thrown out. As well i do believe that u have 24hrs to show a licence that was valid on the day that u got pulled over.

[SI-vic]

Originally posted by omar_allibhai
yep if there is anything false on the ticket like spelling, dates, or numbers than it is automatically thrown out. As well i do believe that u have 24hrs to show a licence that was valid on the day that u got pulled over.

thanks, hey where do i show my license to, the police station or hte courthouse??thanks for the help so far

[Phats]

Originally posted by omar_allibhai
yep if there is anything false on the ticket like spelling, dates, or numbers than it is automatically thrown out. As well i do believe that u have 24hrs to show a licence that was valid on the day that u got pulled over.

not true, if you take the ticket to court and there is something wrong on the ticket, then they police officer has a certain period of time to re write the ticket, a couple of months I think, however, going and fighting the ticket never hurt anyone, and you may get it reduced, so go for it

[Luke 96 T/A]

You sure the date isn't saying to PAY by June 30th? ;-)
If it says today's date is June 30th, then get your butt down there to fight it..
otherwise, talk to the first appearance officer, and they'll reduce it..
you'd have to go down to Rocky Mountain Plaza to show your license... but.... it doesn't usually work.. because it's failure to produce, not driving without...
(I just got one for insurance...)

[ryder_23]

Go down there now, and say, i'm gettin charged for something that couldnt of possibly happened yet...lol...i dunno, i'm sure it will get dismissed or something

[Wildcat]

99.9% sure the cop wont even show up... just goto court..

[stryker]

that's just really bad luck. not sure if it is in their jurisdiction to pull you over for no reason.

about the next day thing, you could try. but i doubt it.

[Ben]

In alberta it is law to have tour Registration, Licence and insurance on demand, if not you get the ticket, even if you find it 5 min later.

[babyblueg2]

yo talk to the crown porsecuter(i think that what there called)
and say u found your driver's lissense under your seat right after they left, and u tryed to catch up to them but they pullled a u turn,i think that should work
it worked for me
go to court 50/50 chance it will get droped

[5.9 R/T]

Originally posted by Wildcat
99.9% sure the cop wont even show up... just goto court..

Cops get paid overtime for going to court. So they usually go. What I don't understand is you got a ticket for doing something illegal and your complaining about it? Maybe the cops didn't have a reason to pull you over, maybe they did, but if you were completely legal then there wouldn't be any problem and you wouldn't be on here complaining about it. It's not the cops fault you didn't take your license with you.

[babyblueg2]

but still
he would've got a ticket for something else cops always find something to give u a ticket for.

[Ebbsvette]

wow....im glad cops down here dont do that.....i never have my license....and if they threate me with a ticket i just say i lost it and from that day i have 25 days to get a new one or just show the one i have to the court house....but....they never care....sucks man.....they'll prolly drop it

[5.9 R/T]

Originally posted by babyblueg2
but still
he would've got a ticket for something else cops always find something to give u a ticket for.

That's because you have or have done something ILLEGAL! :rolleyes:

[Superesc]

You do the crime, you pay the fine. If you want to lie about it, don't post it up, it will only get you into more trouble.

[babyblueg2]

wtf are u talking about supersec

[Superesc]

Originally posted by babyblueg2
wtf are u talking about supersec

what are you talking about? :dunno:

[Rsxstacy]

Police due patrol these boards thats all hes tryin to mention.

[The_1]

fuck 175 bucks for not bringing your liscence?? that crazy
i got one of those last yr and it was like 70 bucks

[Superesc]

Originally posted by The_1
fuck 175 bucks for not bringing your liscence?? that crazy
i got one of those last yr and it was like 70 bucks

I do agree their fines are getting quite "high", but at the same time if I got a ticket like that, I will for sure to remember to carry my licence with me all the time. :)

[stryker]

ya i was really pissed when it happened to me.
it was 57 i believe, right before they started jackin up prices (phew!). i forgot to turn on my lights, so I guess I was askin for it. they actually had a reason to pull me over, and i believe that if i had my lights on i wouldn't have been pulled over in the first place...i'm sure there was something in your case?
anyways, i know ur mad that u got pulled over for "no reason", but the ticket does warrant itself as u actually did not have ur license. it's not like u got a ticket and produced your license...

just fahgeddaboudit.

[SI-vic]

Yo I know I did the crime, it was my fault....
I never once thought I didnt deserve it, but they cant justify a $175 ticket for soemthing you "forget", we aint all perfect.
I'm just trying to catch a break here, I'm sure we'd all like to catch a break once in awhile, I'm asking for advice here.
I'm not lying about anything, thats the whole story, but the ticket has a lot of errors that I noticed from my last tickets that I've ever gotten, and it could be my break.
Justify $175 for something you forget, its a daily mistake done by everyone.
a 24hour rule should be placed because I think it would make more sense, I'm sure the police forget stuff all the time, in this case the officer forgot the date.....
she also forgot a couple of other things....
i mean, if you're speeding or running reds, you can justify those tickets easily because those are the rules of the road, its common sense not to speed nor run reds.

but when you forget your wallet at home, it doesnt hurt anyone or does not put anyone in danger.

[Maxt]

What peeves me totally is this..
Firstly Cops will be the first ones to tell you to never leave your license/insurance/registration in a car, if your car is stolen or broken into, that gives the thief alot of personal information about you, and also the means to legitimatley sell your car or change the title on the car..
So, you never leave it in there, you always take it out, or carry it in a wallet or sperate folder, to be safe...
Then they pull you over, and as usual the government expects you to have super human like memory and remember to do things by the book and legal everytime perfectly(like they do hardy har har), and you have forgotten one piece of the information or all of it... Then they tax your ass with fines...
With all the technology available today, plus all of the public money governments and police spend on computers, and having laptop computers in every car you'd think, that would make registration redundent, I mean all they have to do is type your freaking plate into a computer, and everything under the sun comes up about that car, and its owner...
The non registration ticket is a complete cash grab period..
Insurance companies are all computerized, if linked to the motorvehicle database, that would eliminate the need for pink slips, the insurance company could simply add their information to the motorvehicles database, a simple line added, of "vehicle insured by ACME insurance from xx xx xx to xx xx xx would do the trick..
As for the licence, its actually against the law to not have any id on you when in public...But... If its such a bad thing, and they were that worried about who you actually were, should they not have escorted you home to see who you actually were, instead of just levying a fee, and sending you on your merry way...
To serve and collect....
Maxt

[stryker]

Originally posted by Maxt

To serve and collect....
Maxt

Hahaha, totally. Is there anyone in this forum who says they like cops?

And if you figure you can get a break from this ticket cause of it's errors and such, go for it. Just don't get fined for it haha.

[5.9 R/T]

Originally posted by stryker


Hahaha, totally. Is there anyone in this forum who says they like cops?

I do. Maybe if you drove more responsibly you wouldn't have a problem.

[Maxt]

I don't think forgetting your licence in your car when you are mearly taking a test spin in another is being irresponsible, thats a stretch...A little forgetful maybe, but irresponsible? I s'pose you walk a complete 360 around your vehicle and retorque the lugnuts before you drive it everytime??:).. Chalk up one for the quota count..

[SI-vic]

But you know, cops expect us to be perfect and all, we're not allowed to forget anything or else pay the fine.
I wouldnt have cared if it was half the price but still, nobody has yet justified a $175 ticket for a simple human error.
Only Maxt seems to know what I am talking about

[kaput]

Holy fuck $175?? My friend got one for $34 almost exactly a year ago... he wasn't pulled over though. There was another, uh, problem that the cops needed ID for, though I guess it was driving related?? Long story, point is I think they have discresion when issuing the ticket, because he knew the cop and only got the ticket to shut up a bitchy neighbor. Maybe it ranges up to $175, could indicate harassment?

Just a thought.

[Ben]

well an Illegal Left hand turn is 174 bucks, up from 69. :banghead:

[5.9 R/T]

Originally posted by Maxt
I don't think forgetting your licence in your car when you are mearly taking a test spin in another is being irresponsible, thats a stretch...A little forgetful maybe, but irresponsible? I s'pose you walk a complete 360 around your vehicle and retorque the lugnuts before you drive it everytime??:).. Chalk up one for the quota count..

So forgetting to put on your seat belt, is that not irresponsible? What about forgetting to signal when changing lanes, or stopping at a stop sign? Oops, I forgot I wasn't supposed to drink and drive, how silly of me...

[SI-vic]

Originally posted by 5.9 R/T


So forgetting to put on your seat belt, is that not irresponsible? What about forgetting to signal when changing lanes, or stopping at a stop sign? Oops, I forgot I wasn't supposed to drink and drive, how silly of me...


All those actually could harm a person(s) in a way, so if you forget to stop at a stop sign, drink and drive, and etc, it is a risk to other people on the road. That is a punishable crime.
But whats the hurt in forgetting your license at home once in a blue moon, everyone does it.
Human Error that doesnt affect anyone and being punished for it is BS.
Human Error that could risk someones life and being punished for it is justifiable.

[kaput]

Originally posted by 5.9 R/T


So forgetting to put on your seat belt, is that not irresponsible? What about forgetting to signal when changing lanes, or stopping at a stop sign? Oops, I forgot I wasn't supposed to drink and drive, how silly of me...

I usually agree with you but come on man. The law isn't always right. You're presenting examples of reasonable and sensible laws that I doubt anyone here disputes.

For example.... http://www.stupidlaws.com/

If there was a law that made it illegal to wear shorts, would you obey it? Would you happily pay the city $175 if you got caught?

[5.9 R/T]

Whether you think the law is justifiable or not is besides the point. The point is that you broke the law. Did you deserve the ticket? Yes. Why? Because you broke the law. Did the cop(s) HAVE to give you the ticket? No. But they did, and they are fully in their rights to do just that. I'm willing to bet though that you will never ever forget your license again.

[5.9 R/T]

Originally posted by kaput


I usually agree with you but come on man. The law isn't always right. You're presenting examples of reasonable and sensible laws that I doubt anyone here disputes.

For example.... http://www.stupidlaws.com/

If there was a law that made it illegal to wear shorts, would you obey it? Would you happily pay the city $175 if you got caught?

I don't agree with many of Alberta's traffic laws, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go out and break them just in spite.

If there was a law regarding wearing shorts and the crime was 175 bucks I sure as hell would not wear shorts. Everyone is aware of the laws on license and registration being on your persons when operating a vehicle. Whether the law is 'stupid' or not should not have an effect on whether or not you obey it.

[SI-vic]

Refer to Kaput, I think he says it best.
sometimes the law just does not work.

I believe the mark up in tickets is bogus and outragous.
The quota, well.... maybe it should be lowered a bit, the quota is somewhat of a good idea I must admit.

5.9, just a question, are you a cop by any chance, related to one or anything like that?

[Ben]

I'm a cop.

[SI-vic]

Originally posted by Ben
I'm a cop.

no you're not.
You work at Telus or something I from what I read on another forum

[Wildcat]

Originally posted by 5.9 R/T
Whether you think the law is justifiable or not is besides the point. The point is that you broke the law. Did you deserve the ticket? Yes. Why? Because you broke the law. Did the cop(s) HAVE to give you the ticket? No. But they did, and they are fully in their rights to do just that. I'm willing to bet though that you will never ever forget your license again.

your thinking too black and white man, take a step back and think about the entire situation and form a better well rounded answer thats not only justifiable by "cops good; kids bad".

Theres people who live by the law and break the law, both groups do either based on their own choices... neither bothers me; its the sheep that i cant stand...

[max_boost]

Anytime you break the law, the resulting consequences should be deserved. The only real problem I have is with the outrageous fines.

From your standpoint, you forgot your license and that is illegal. You feel that the officer could have let you off with a warning or perhaps lessen the fine.

From the officer's standpoint, 1 ticket down, 19 to go. Another $175 to support the system. Perhaps he was in a grumpy mood? In the end, he is still doing his job so you can't really fault him, but instead, fault should be placed on the system.

[Ben]

Originally posted by SI-vic


no you're not.
You work at Telus or something I from what I read on another forum


Or do I?

[Maxt]

Originally posted by 5.9 R/T


I don't agree with many of Alberta's traffic laws, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go out and break them just in spite.

If there was a law regarding wearing shorts and the crime was 175 bucks I sure as hell would not wear shorts. Everyone is aware of the laws on license and registration being on your persons when operating a vehicle. Whether the law is 'stupid' or not should not have an effect on whether or not you obey it.
Like I said before, if they fining him for the specific purpose of not knowing who he was, they should have had him park the car, and they should have taken him home, so that he could have produced the licence, but by the sounds of it, they issued a monetary based judgment on him and let him carry on, did they remove the danger of him perhaps not being who he said he was, no they did not, so in reality the spirit of the law was not upheld by the police in this instance, they figured justice was served by issueing a ticket, a ticket that they had to also put a name on, which they could not verify the information for, that alone makes the issuing of said ticket pointless.. No one really said the law was stupid, it does make sense, however the penalty is ludicrous, even when as I said before the cops almost set you up to break this law, by telling you not to leave such pertanent peices of information in your vehicle, I don't know about you, but I own 8 vehicles and also have a company supplied work vehicle, I forget the paperwork for the vehicles all the time, but is anyone put into harms way by someone forgetting their drivers license, or me forgetting my registration, no, the paper onboard does not magically encapsulate the vehicle into some sort of safe and secure world of operation, that kind of thinking gave us a national gun registry that cost a billion dollars and has yet to save a life...Maxt

[FiveFreshFish]

Originally posted by Maxt
...they should have had him park the car, and they should have taken him home...

Are you kidding? They would never do that because on the way to his house they might have to respond to an emergency and of course they can't because they have a civilian in the car.

It was easier for them to spend 5 minutes to write up a ticket or warning and be on their way.

[Maxt]

No, so instead they let him drive away without being sure he is actually licenced to drive , your point being?....
So now we have boiled the it down to a matter of convenience to the cops, give your head a shake, there is more than one cop car in town, and if they are that pressed for time , and if you have such a worry about them being held up in case of an emergency, write the police a note about standing by waiting for the phone to ring instead of pulling people over no apparent reason...Maxt

[max_boost]

Originally posted by Maxt
No, so instead they let him drive away without being sure he is actually licenced to drive , your point being?....


I don't think that was the case. I am pretty sure SI-vic was asked to provide his home address, birthdate etc. so the officer was able to look up his information on the computer. Thus verifying if he actually has a driver's license.

Anyway, I still think $175 is too much for such an error

[Maxt]

Yes 175 is to much..
So all you have to know is someones home address, their birthdate...Just give them someone else name and birthdate that you know or, and bingo, the ticket is no longer a problem.. If the info was so pertinent, they would have gone back home with him...again, the point of issuing this ticket is still just a monetary one..Maxt

[max_boost]

Originally posted by Maxt
Yes 175 is to much..
So all you have to know is someones home address, their birthdate...Just give them someone else name and birthdate that you know or, and bingo, the ticket is no longer a problem.. If the info was so pertinent, they would have gone back home with him...again, the point of issuing this ticket is still just a monetary one..Maxt

Birthdate
Address
Picture
What are the chances of you looking like that person too? Highly unlikely, I am pretty sure the officer can make a fair and accurate judgment. I am under the impression that you underestimating the competency of the officer involved in this case.

[Strider]

For all those who say "you broke the law, you should pay"...

What if you lost your wallet with your license in it, or had it stolen. Would you leave your car and walk home or walk around the city retracing your steps to find your wallet/license to keep from breaking the law?

[Ben]

Originally posted by Strider
For all those who say "you broke the law, you should pay"...

What if you lost your wallet with your license in it, or had it stolen. Would you leave your car and walk home or walk around the city retracing your steps to find your wallet/license to keep from breaking the law?


Fuck no, but If I got pulled over and got given a ticket, I wouldn't come on here whining about it! I would take it like a man and understand that yes, I broke the law, and I took the risk of driving without KNOWING the consequences.

[FiveFreshFish]

Originally posted by Maxt
No, so instead they let him drive away without being sure he is actually licenced to drive , your point being?....
So now we have boiled the it down to a matter of convenience to the cops, give your head a shake, there is more than one cop car in town, and if they are that pressed for time , and if you have such a worry about them being held up in case of an emergency, write the police a note about standing by waiting for the phone to ring instead of pulling people over no apparent reason...Maxt

The onus is on you to provide your license, not for the cops to be a taxi service to drive you home so you can prove that you're licensed to drive. So they don't know he is licensed to drive. They gave him a ticket already for failing to produce.

I'm sure the cops were satisfied with all the paperwork provided by SI-vic and assessed that he's not a danger to society and able to drive, so they "let him go" with a ticket because of the missing license. Should have just given a warning because he did produce everything else. If they thought he was dangerous and HAD do confirm his identity, they would have taken him down to the station for questioning.

Now suppose they did drive him home and his car was stolen or vandalized during the time they were gone. What if SI-vic asks for a ride back to his car and they refuse, and then he files a complaint? These situations COULD happen among other things, however slilm the chances. The cops just don't need the hassle, so it's also a matter of prudence to avoid shit like this. Put yourself in the cops' shoes and you'll understand.

[5.9 R/T]

No I'm not a cop, nor am I related to one. Don't see how that would matter anyways.

Ok I'll give you a situation where not having the proper documentation with you caused a lot of problems. I was hit from behind two years ago and the kid didn't have proper insurance on him. The damage at this point was believed to be minor, less then 1 grand, so no need to phone the cops right? So we get to exchanging information and he realizes that he doesn't have insurance on him. So now I have no proof that he owns the vehicle or that he is driving with insurance, and the cops have to be called in. So what could have been wrapped up in less then ten minutes took well over an hour holding up traffic in one lane during rush hour (no where else to move) wasting my time and the cops time just to come down and verify that he was indeed the owner of the vehicle. No, no one is going to die from not having insurance or your license on you but it sure creates complications when something does happen.

If you lose your license you have a certain grace period where you have to go and get your old one canceled and a new one issued. If at some point you were given a ticket for not having a license during this time, simply showing up at court with the documents proving this would be enough to throw out the ticket.

Maxt you have no idea what being a cop is like, yes there is more then one cop in town, but give your head a shake, they can and do get busy, and if a call comes in and they are the closest available unit and they can't respond, tack on extra minutes to a situation where 1 minute can be the difference between life and death.

Unlike what most of you think most cops are not out to get you. Of course you always get those power tripping cops who give them a bad name, I've had them too, but what profession doesn't have a couple of assholes? Human error this, and human error that. What are cops? Human. They are not perfect, and guess what, they can and do make mistakes. You all complain that the law is unfair, unjust, stupid, and useless and you rag on the person that is just enforcing the law. What about the judges and governments that made it law? And I don't see anyone doing anything about it besides coming on here crying like a little baby because they did something stupid and received punishment for it. Instead of running your mouth like a spoiled brat blaming everyone but yourself get off your ass and do something about it. If you’re not willing to spend the time and effort to do something about it then sit there and eat crow.

Traffic tickets are nothing more then a stupid tax. You were stupid, and you got taxed, nothing more, nothing less.

[SI-vic]

Originally posted by FiveFreshFish


Are you kidding? They would never do that because on the way to his house they might have to respond to an emergency and of course they can't because they have a civilian in the car.

It was easier for them to spend 5 minutes to write up a ticket or warning and be on their way.


Actually it would have been to escort me home, I was seriously only 5min away from my house when I was pulled over, like seriously. I'm not joking you or anything, I'm serious it was only 5min away.
Like I said, I was only taking my the newly bought car for a spin, I wasnt about to drive to Edmonton or anything like that.

[SI-vic]

I think its just really outragous with the ticket price for this mistake.
Since its so outragous, I came on here wondering if there was any way I could reduce OR even perhaps getting my ticket cancelled because of the errors on the ticket.
I did not once cry NOR make fun of the force in any way.

I guess I cant even come on beyond.ca to ask about a simple question anymore.
I went to v8less.com and not 1 person came on and bitched about how "You broke the law, blah blah blah", YAH I KNOW I BROKE THE LAW, I'm asking for legal assistance here.
I went to albertacars and they also provided a lot of help, none of the, "You broke the law shit".
I was expecting beyond to be the most helpful out of all sites but so far,all I've gotten was negativity and "you broke the law, you deserved it, dont cry on the forum, thats your own problem"

oh sorry, I've gotten SOME help from a few people, and it only seems like a few people agree what I believe in, that this is a BS ticket. We can argue all we want, its just a matter of opinion on the topic, it can really go 2ways.

[Maxt]

Originally posted by 5.9 R/T
[i]No I'm not a cop, nor am I related to one. Don't see how that would matter anyways.

Ok I'll give you a situation where not having the proper documentation with you caused a lot of problems. I was hit from behind two years ago and the kid didn't have proper insurance on him. The damage at this point was believed to be minor, less then 1 grand, so no need to phone the cops right? So we get to exchanging information and he realizes that he doesn't have insurance on him. So now I have no proof that he owns the vehicle or that he is driving with insurance, and the cops have to be called in. So what could have been wrapped up in less then ten minutes took well over an hour holding up traffic in one lane during rush hour (no where else to move) wasting my time and the cops time just to come down and verify that he was indeed the owner of the vehicle. No, no one is going to die from not having insurance or your license on you but it sure creates complications when something does happen.[i]

Just report the accident, not having an insurance pink slip on him does not stop him from being identified, or prove who he is, or prove that he owns the vehicle,last time I checked pink slips don't have your picture on it, none of the documentation in my work vehicle has my name on it... Anecdotal spew, now you are just getting desperate...

Originally posted by 5.9 R/T
If you lose your license you have a certain grace period where you have to go and get your old one canceled and a new one issued. If at some point you were given a ticket for not having a license during this time, simply showing up at court with the documents proving this would be enough to throw out the ticket.

Maxt you have no idea what being a cop is like, yes there is more then one cop in town, but give your head a shake, they can and do get busy, and if a call comes in and they are the closest available unit and they can't respond, tack on extra minutes to a situation where 1 minute can be the difference between life and death.
think about that statement next you drive by Tim Hortons...They had enough time to write the ticket out, and if they were that busy, why are they pulling people over for no apparent reason, when they decided to pull this guy over , they had no idea he had no licence with them, unless these cops were psychic, they were bored shitless and looking for something to do, when they pull you over like that, they are traffic division cops and wouldn't be the ones rushing to stabbing anyway, as far as life a death, you'd have had a point if we were talking aobut paramedics and firemen, but were are not..

Originally posted by 5.9 R/T
Unlike what most of you think most cops are not out to get you. Of course you always get those power tripping cops who give them a bad name, I've had them too, but what profession doesn't have a couple of assholes? Human error this, and human error that. What are cops? Human. They are not perfect, and guess what, they can and do make mistakes. You all complain that the law is unfair, unjust, stupid, and useless and you rag on the person that is just enforcing the law. What about the judges and governments that made it law? And I don't see anyone doing anything about it besides coming on here crying like a little baby because they did something stupid and received punishment for it. Instead of running your mouth like a spoiled brat blaming everyone but yourself get off your ass and do something about it. If you’re not willing to spend the time and effort to do something about it then sit there and eat crow.

Traffic tickets are nothing more then a stupid tax. You were stupid, and you got taxed, nothing more, nothing less.

Not all tickets are a stupidity tax, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater here, but I find it funny how you want everyone to accept that cops care just human and make mistakes, and thus we should forgive them without incident or reflection, but you don't extend the same courtesy to people like SI vic, who had simply forgot to shove something in his pocket and endangered no one, thats a double standard and a problem with cops and government in general these days...Maxt

[5.9 R/T]

Originally posted by Maxt


Just report the accident, not having an insurance pink slip on him does not stop him from being identified, or prove who he is, or prove that he owns the vehicle,last time I checked pink slips don't have your picture on it, none of the documentation in my work vehicle has my name on it... Anecdotal spew, now you are just getting desperate...

think about that statement next you drive by Tim Hortons...They had enough time to write the ticket out, and if they were that busy, why are they pulling people over for no apparent reason, when they decided to pull this guy over , they had no idea he had no licence with them, unless these cops were psychic, they were bored shitless and looking for something to do, when they pull you over like that, they are traffic division cops and wouldn't be the ones rushing to stabbing anyway, as far as life a death, you'd have had a point if we were talking aobut paramedics and firemen, but were are not..

Not all tickets are a stupidity tax, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater here, but I find it funny how you want everyone to accept that cops care just human and make mistakes, and thus we should forgive them without incident or reflection, but you don't extend the same courtesy to people like SI vic, who had simply forgot to shove something in his pocket and endangered no one, thats a double standard and a problem with cops and government in general these days...Maxt

Well no, I'm not getting desperate, that really did happen. Turns out buddy didn't have insurance. He didn't get to drive his car home either. And considering that HE hit ME from behind I wasn't about to just let him drive off without getting every single piece of information I can so I don't get screwed over later.

The second paragraph shows exactly how little you do know. I suggest you go for a ride along with a cop one day. You would learn a lot, and maybe gain some respect for them and what they do. While your at it why don't you ask them about this law and why it is the way it is.

So, let me get this straight, you can use it but I can't? I couldn't care less if you accepted the fact that they are human and make mistakes etc. Because they didn't here, once again, they were fully within their rights to hand out a ticket. I never said you have to forgive them, all I said was that they make mistakes, same as anyone else, same as SI vic. The problem is that SI vic made the mistake of breaking the law. When you break the law and get caught you have to pay a fine or serve time. And in this case the cop didn't make a mistake by giving him a ticket, the ticket was well earned.

I'm not to sure what you’re trying to argue here. That the ticket was unfair? No, he didn't have his license, he was breaking the law. That the ticket serves no purpose other then to take in money? There are situations where not having a license or registration/insurance on you can cause problems and waste time as in my case. And just because people think that it serves no purpose does not mean that people should not obey the law. That the ticket is too expensive? No argument here.

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Well no, I'm not getting desperate, that really did happen. Turns out buddy didn't have insurance. He didn't get to drive his car home either. And considering that HE hit ME from behind I wasn't about to just let him drive off without getting every single piece of information I can so I don't get screwed over later.

The second paragraph shows exactly how little you do know. I suggest you go for a ride along with a cop one day. You would learn a lot, and maybe gain some respect for them and what they do. While your at it why don't you ask them about this law and why it is the way it is.

So, let me get this straight, you can use it but I can't? I couldn't care less if you accepted the fact that they are human and make mistakes etc. Because they didn't here, once again, they were fully within their rights to hand out a ticket. I never said you have to forgive them, all I said was that they make mistakes, same as anyone else, same as SI vic. The problem is that SI vic made the mistake of breaking the law. When you break the law and get caught you have to pay a fine or serve time. And in this case the cop didn't make a mistake by giving him a ticket, the ticket was well earned.

I'm not to sure what you’re trying to argue here. That the ticket was unfair? No, he didn't have his license, he was breaking the law. That the ticket serves no purpose other then to take in money? There are situations where not having a license or registration/insurance on you can cause problems and waste time as in my case. And just because people think that it serves no purpose does not mean that people should not obey the law. That the ticket is too expensive? No argument here.

"Sniff" "Sniff" Uh I think I smell cop, anybody catch a wiff of that?

"Breaking the law is breaking the law" Ah fuck that, way to many laws to keep track of. It's up to the cop to give the ticket. In some instances is it neccessary to have a "pink" slip? Yes, if in these situations you don't have one then a fine should be issued. In this case there was NO need for the "pink" slip as was demonstrated by the officer allowing him to drive home without it, so the cop should have taken that into account and issued a warning and educated the driver. But instead he decided to be a dick and give a retarded ticket.

[Ben]

...just cause were car enthusiasts doesn't mean we have to hate cops and everything about the law.

Obviously some people will never accept this so untill everyone can play nice, enough of this see-saw of retorts about how cops are out there only to be dicks and have nothing better to do blah blah blah.


Nothing new will come of this topic, and the creator himself said that we are not much help, so apparantly the cold hard truth dosn't suffice.

Call Pointts, and ask them what they think! I dont think anyone on this forum is a traffic lawyer, so what do you expect to recieve as a reply?

Case Closed.