View Full Version : I slightly upgaded my turbo today..
This is the T04e I was running last year ..
Here is the stock HT18s in the car, its a big turbo compared to what comes on other factory turbo cars ...
Redlyne_mr2
06-24-2003, 09:59 PM
Nice have you driven it yet? Differences?
And here is what I bought today compare to the stock HT18 s turbo, ladies and gentlemen, I call this the "allan parsons project"..
Another comparison shot....It should make good power..hehe...
Doodle
06-24-2003, 10:04 PM
Its hoooooge.
Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2
Nice have you driven it yet? Differences?
umm yeah.... about a 225 rwhp difference...:).....
THREE40SEVEN
06-24-2003, 10:33 PM
Your block/rotor thingy will hold? (sorry.. i know very little about rotarys)
CRXguy
06-24-2003, 10:43 PM
holy sweet mother!!! :eek:
any official numbers?
legendboy
06-24-2003, 10:44 PM
what size turbine is on your old t04e? I may be intrested in picking that up depending...
dj_honda
06-24-2003, 11:07 PM
what is that a foot in diameter? holy shit?!!!
Ekliptix
06-24-2003, 11:23 PM
I actually laughed out loud when I saw them side by side.
wow. what kind of boost levels are you running, and what is that compressor capable of?
BlaCkPlaGUE
06-24-2003, 11:51 PM
That is a huge fuckin difference. How much longer until its installed and tuned? You better give us comparison results their guy!
^SkylinE^
06-25-2003, 12:12 AM
CAN anyone say LAGGGGG!!! Wow let me know how the driveability is on that thing ! Good luck looks like you'll be pushing a few more pony's now :thumbsup:
Originally posted by Ekliptix
I actually laughed out loud when I saw them side by side.
wow. what kind of boost levels are you running, and what is that compressor capable of?
hahahaha, me too!
Impressive!
Illusionsir
06-25-2003, 01:49 AM
hey you could have a nice sequential set up with those two turbos! lol
Fluidic
06-25-2003, 01:54 AM
No way... is this post for real?
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Peter
Yeah its for real, the engine is going together this weekend, I have to crank up the welder and build another manifold, since the footprint of the discharge is different and the volute of the turbine is longer..
As for the numbers, this turbo is a smidge larger than the vaunted HKS T51R.. If I can spool it, I should make some very healthy numbers..
The engine will probably handle the power, the problem is the rest of the car, I do have a newer transmission , but my last transmission started to sound a bit funny after a few months of 400 rwhp...Maxt
4wheeldrift
06-25-2003, 06:46 AM
Goodbye throttle response, but Helllloooooo horsepower :devil:
mad_psyentist
06-25-2003, 07:16 AM
Holy Caesar's uncle, it's HUUUUGE! I've got an 87 FC TII as well, and mad props to you for shovin' that thing in that engine bay. Man, the spooling alone will be awesome to hear. BTW... where'd you get a beast of a turbo like that??? And how much did it cost? Numbers, man. Numbers!
Fluidic
06-25-2003, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by Maxt
Yeah its for real, the engine is going together this weekend, I have to crank up the welder and build another manifold, since the footprint of the discharge is different and the volute of the turbine is longer..
As for the numbers, this turbo is a smidge larger than the vaunted HKS T51R.. If I can spool it, I should make some very healthy numbers..
The engine will probably handle the power, the problem is the rest of the car, I do have a newer transmission , but my last transmission started to sound a bit funny after a few months of 400 rwhp...Maxt
Very nice -- can't wait to see what time you run. :thumbsup: ;)
Peter
Loose
06-25-2003, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by Fluidic Digital
Very nice -- can't wait to see what time you run. :thumbsup: ;)
Peter
Probably 15.0@119 mph:clap:
300rwhp
06-25-2003, 08:42 AM
Go big or go home they say The blower below is going on a car in calgary
benyl
06-25-2003, 11:23 AM
holy shit that is HUGE!!!!
EMAXX
06-25-2003, 01:05 PM
That is huge.
Ahhhh amazing
That car, assuming your drivtrain and tires are up to par will do much better than 15.0 1/4mi.
Good luck with the project
Post some numbers when it all comes together!
DonJuan
06-25-2003, 04:09 PM
Dear god! everyone is whipping out big ass forced induction!! Where are you gonna house that thing? the trunk? Arn't you worried about lag?? i mean you'll be slow off the line but as soon as that thing spins up your gonna FLY! better get a nice big table on the back for your wing! PROPS THO!
Joe Malms
06-25-2003, 04:24 PM
specs?
a/r?
cocoabrova
06-25-2003, 05:08 PM
"That's a huge bitch!!"
tegdream
06-25-2003, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by cocoabrova
"That's a huge bitch!!"
i dont see my Assistant Principal anywhere :dunno: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Gonein60...ft.
06-25-2003, 06:05 PM
man when that thing kicks in (at 6k rpm), its gonna feel like a freakin NAWWWS button
Hollywood
06-25-2003, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by legendboy
what size turbine is on your old t04e? I may be intrested in picking that up depending...
Too big for you, 1.15 A/R T4 exhaust housing.
Originally posted by Joe Malms
specs?
a/r?
I think he told me it was a T-66, or T78. Cant remember exactly but definately a T series.
Between my car and that procharger, Calgary will be in a vacuum..:)..
I am gonna keep my T04e, and that will be my "streetport" turbo for my Streetport motor..
The Schwitzer animal is a 1.15 a/r as well, remember a/r is merely a ratio, not an actual size, Its a huge turbine section on it and thats what worries me a bit, but with a fully bridged motor, and a proper manifold, good things should happen, the full bridged motor will only see action during the drag racing season..
It will flow 80 lb/s of air/minute, which in theory is around 800 hp , that would have to be around 28-30 psi.. I don't plan on running more than 20 psi, at those boost levels with the airflow of the schwitzer, the car will be a handful..
The turbo is actually for a large truck, like a Mack concrete truck to be more precise..
Yes 1.15 a/r on the T04e is far to large for a 4 banger unless you were planning on adding a transbrake, line locks, power glide 'mission, at least a 200 shot of nitrous etc etc..
Thats the funny thing about a rotary, being that the exhaust is so violent and strong, it will spool a turbo that a small block v-8 would have a tough time with...The key to big power is getting the airflow from the compressor side, while keeping the back pressure as low as possible and still maintaining spool.. If the Schwitzer came in a ball bearing design, it would be killer...maxt
Hollywood
06-25-2003, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by Maxt
The key to big power is getting the airflow from the compressor side, while keeping the back pressure as low as possible and still maintaining spool.
Words of wisdom here folks.
There are ways to measure your back pressure too, it's kinda a pain but if you have a egt probe in your dump pipe it's a lot easier.
Originally posted by Maxt
If the Schwitzer came in a ball bearing design, it would be killer...maxt
Ya for sure!
Max I'm gonna run friday if it does not rain.
DSM Power
06-27-2003, 07:49 PM
Wow, insanity at it's finest! :nut: :thumbsup:
BigMass
06-29-2003, 11:55 AM
way too much lag. I'd hate to have a turbo like that in my car
Originally posted by BigMass
way too much lag. I'd hate to have a turbo like that in my car
??????
Depends on the car, and the motor, just because its big , it doesn't mean it will be laggy, alot has to do with port overlap, manifold design, turbine size, a/r, downpipe design, and of course tuning.. What car do you have, if you have a typical 4 cylinder engine, yes it will be laggy...Maxt
BigMass
06-29-2003, 12:33 PM
yep i only have a 4 banger that's why i made the comment ). A turbo that big is going to have major lag on any car unless it's specifically tuned for 1/4. Road course that thing would blow
Not completly true ...A rotary, will spool a turbo made for a larger v-8, look at the a/r's and turbines we use compared to even the supra boys, it depends on your overall powerband gearing and the ability to shift..Sequential transmissions are widely used on road course racing in Japan with turbo just as big as this...
That T04E that i first posted, is almost twice the size of the stock turbo, with tuning, a custom manifold, and some other mods, I made that turbo spool as soon or sooner than stock did..
I think manifolding and intake porting has the most do with the spool times, a partial bridge has proven to drop spool times by about 1500 rpm on some very large turbos.. With the schwitzer I am going to be running a full bridged motor, I am not worried about lag...
Here is an example of bridgeporting for you. This was a car out of Japan that was running a T51, the largest of the HkS turbo's at the time...Maxt
http://www.vosko.net/media/rotary/full%20bridge%20idle.WMV
Hollywood
06-29-2003, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by Maxt
I think manifolding and intake porting has the most do with the spool times, a partial bridge has proven to drop spool times by about 1500 rpm on some very large turbos..
Also a properly designed equal length manifold and a divided turbine housing helps spoolup on big turbo's. And GT dual ball bearing helps a little too.
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