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ottamania
08-21-2007, 10:31 AM
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legendboy
08-21-2007, 10:59 AM
might want to fix your drawing before you post up a screenshot of it lol

might be a good idea to post up something a bit more complex to showcase your skills

Jlude
08-21-2007, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by legendboy
might want to fix your drawing before you post up a screenshot of it lol

might be a good idea to post up something a bit more complex to showcase your skills


A bit more complex? He couldn't even get that right....


I would suggest a little more practice before offering to train someone else.

CRX-R
08-21-2007, 11:08 AM
:werd: Post something that's actually impressive.

Lex350
08-21-2007, 11:08 AM
ya....post up something better than that. That is something you should be able to draw in less than an hour of instruction. I wouldn't hire you with that as an example of what to expect.

ken-gsr
08-21-2007, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by ottamania
Wanna learn the autocad !

I can help.

35 $ /hr.

pm me or call me for more info.

470-5959

seckin

Would you like me to teach you how to use CAD lol?

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/859000-859999/859573_86_full.jpg

Lex350
08-21-2007, 11:18 AM
Maybe that's why he is only charging $35 per hour. I wouldn't even get out of bed for that price.

nagooro
08-21-2007, 11:24 AM
soo wats autocad used for?

Aragorn_ii
08-21-2007, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by nagooro
soo wats autocad used for?


what isn't AutoCAD used for.....:nut:

you might want to google that

ken-gsr
08-21-2007, 11:31 AM
^I was kinda hoping he wasn't serious. lol

snowboard
08-21-2007, 11:32 AM
yah the gazeeebo blows.
haha should we have an autocad difficulty/penis size comparison thread?

ps ken that teal looks gross behind the text bar haha

Jlude
08-21-2007, 11:38 AM
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s152/JME1984/Sundance2.jpg


Xtseel FTW!

ken-gsr
08-21-2007, 11:41 AM
^is xsteel the program? looks like Revit - I could also teach the OP that for $50/hour.

Snowboard, I am slow. I don't get it...

88CRX
08-21-2007, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by snowboard
ps ken that teal looks gross behind the text bar haha

Ken is "special" like that.

Look at me I use different colors cause I'm cool :rofl:

I kid, I kid....

HillBilly
08-21-2007, 11:42 AM
want to learn AutoCAD programming language?

$235/hr

(defun c:slineang (/ d pt1 pt2 azm dist bear inst oldazm newazm testsign)
(graphscr)
(setvar "osmode" 0)
(setq d 1)
(initget 1)
(setq fac (getstring "\Enter Units, RETURN for Metres, or F for Feet..>>"))
(setq fact (if (= fac "") 1 0.3048))
(setq pt1 (getpoint "\nEnter your First Point..>> "))
(initget (+ 1 2 4))
(setq azm (getreal "\nEnter your First Angle as as Azimuth..>> "))
(setq azm (dmstod azm))
(if (or (> min 60) (> sec 60))
(prompt "\nMin.s and Sec.s must be less than 60..Try Again..")
(progn
(initget (+ 1 2 4))
(setq dist (getreal "\nEnter your First Distance..>> "))
(setq dist (* dist fact))
(setq bear (rtos azm 2 4))
(setq dist (rtos dist 2 4))
(setq inst (strcat "@" dist "<" bear))
(setvar "blipmode" 0)
(command "line" pt1 inst "")
(setvar "blipmode" 0)
(setq oldazm azm)
(while d
(setq pt2 (cdr (assoc 11 (entget (entlast)))))
(initget (+ 1 2))
(setq azm (getreal "\nEnter your next Clockwise Angle..>> "))
(setq testsign azm)
(if (< testsign 0) (setq azm (abs azm)))
(setq newazm (+ (- oldazm 180) (dmstod azm)))
(if (or (> min 60) (> sec 60))
(prompt "\nMin.s and Sec.s must be less than 60..Try Again..")
(progn
(if (< testsign 0) (setq newazm (- (+ oldazm 180) (dmstod azm))))
(setq oldazm newazm)
(initget (+ 1 2 4))
(setq dist (getreal "\nEnter your Next Distance..>> "))
(setq dist (* dist fact))
(setq bear (rtos newazm 2 4))
(setq dist (rtos dist 2 4))
(setq inst (strcat "@" dist "<" bear))
(setvar "blipmode" 0)
(command "line" pt2 inst "")
(setvar "blipmode" 0)
))
)
))
)

snowboard
08-21-2007, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by ken-gsr
^is xsteel the program? looks like Revit - I could also teach the OP that for $50/hour.

Snowboard, I am slow. I don't get it...


haha your text bar/textscroll are teal instead of the regular black on white...


Originally posted by HillBilly
want to learn AutoCAD programming language?

$235/hr


pff i could learn it for free from a guy in my office :P

i love autocad hahaha.. Steel is boring though! cadworx and smartplant are funnnnnn. haha i have a post some time ago where i drew a bunch of cars in autocad when i was bored at work haha...

ken-gsr
08-21-2007, 11:46 AM
What, I get bored at work. My job sucks lol.

Ryan... I hate you... Get back to work!!

legendboy
08-21-2007, 11:48 AM
inventor assemblies ftw!

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/legend88/inventor.gif

(3840 x 1200 screen res ftw! lol)

ken-gsr
08-21-2007, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by HillBilly
want to learn AutoCAD programming language?

$235/hr

(defun c:slineang (/ d pt1 pt2 azm dist bear inst oldazm newazm testsign)
(graphscr)
(setvar &quot;osmode&quot; 0)
(setq d 1)
(initget 1)
(setq fac (getstring &quot;\Enter Units, RETURN for Metres, or F for Feet..&gt;&gt;&quot;))
(setq fact (if (= fac &quot;&quot;) 1 0.3048))
(setq pt1 (getpoint &quot;\nEnter your First Point..&gt;&gt; &quot;))
(initget (+ 1 2 4))
(setq azm (getreal &quot;\nEnter your First Angle as as Azimuth..&gt;&gt; &quot;))
(setq azm (dmstod azm))
(if (or (&gt; min 60) (&gt; sec 60))
(prompt &quot;\nMin.s and Sec.s must be less than 60..Try Again..&quot;)
(progn
(initget (+ 1 2 4))
(setq dist (getreal &quot;\nEnter your First Distance..&gt;&gt; &quot;))
(setq dist (* dist fact))
(setq bear (rtos azm 2 4))
(setq dist (rtos dist 2 4))
(setq inst (strcat &quot;@&quot; dist &quot;&lt;&quot; bear))
(setvar &quot;blipmode&quot; 0)
(command &quot;line&quot; pt1 inst &quot;&quot;)
(setvar &quot;blipmode&quot; 0)
(setq oldazm azm)
(while d
(setq pt2 (cdr (assoc 11 (entget (entlast)))))
(initget (+ 1 2))
(setq azm (getreal &quot;\nEnter your next Clockwise Angle..&gt;&gt; &quot;))
(setq testsign azm)
(if (&lt; testsign 0) (setq azm (abs azm)))
(setq newazm (+ (- oldazm 180) (dmstod azm)))
(if (or (&gt; min 60) (&gt; sec 60))
(prompt &quot;\nMin.s and Sec.s must be less than 60..Try Again..&quot;)
(progn
(if (&lt; testsign 0) (setq newazm (- (+ oldazm 180) (dmstod azm))))
(setq oldazm newazm)
(initget (+ 1 2 4))
(setq dist (getreal &quot;\nEnter your Next Distance..&gt;&gt; &quot;))
(setq dist (* dist fact))
(setq bear (rtos newazm 2 4))
(setq dist (rtos dist 2 4))
(setq inst (strcat &quot;@&quot; dist &quot;&lt;&quot; bear))
(setvar &quot;blipmode&quot; 0)
(command &quot;line&quot; pt2 inst &quot;&quot;)
(setvar &quot;blipmode&quot; 0)
))
)
))
)

ugg that makes my head hurt.

Jlude
08-21-2007, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by ken-gsr
^is xsteel the program? looks like Revit - I could also teach the OP that for $50/hour.

Snowboard, I am slow. I don't get it...

It's called Tekla Structures... 3d+2d design program...

www.tekla.com

It's mostly popular in europe and australia, becoming popular in Canada.

frozenrice
08-21-2007, 11:58 AM
Just because somebody knows AutoCAD, doesn't mean they know how to draft. Just like everything, there are people who know their stuff and then there are hacks. Anyhow, ArchiCAD is one of my favourites for architectural applications.

http://www.graphisoft.com/community/design_showcase/

Jlude
08-21-2007, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by frozenrice
Just because somebody knows AutoCAD, doesn't mean they know how to draft. Just like everything, there are people who know their stuff and then there are hacks. Anyhow, ArchiCAD is one of my favourites for architectural applications.

http://www.graphisoft.com/community/design_showcase/

+1

MANY people know autocad/xsteel/strucad/Advancesteel etc...etc..

how many can actually make something work...

frozenrice... that arch. software looks amazing!

88CRX
08-21-2007, 12:06 PM
Wow... I didn't realize there were so many "drafters" on the forums.

And why is everyone posting during work hours.... bored much LOL. Get back to work!




Originally posted by frozenrice
Just because somebody knows AutoCAD, doesn't mean they know how to draft.
Aint that the truth!


Originally posted by legendboy

(3840 x 1200 screen res ftw! lol)
Dual monitors FTW.... we're stuck with single 19" LCD's :thumbsdow

Antonito
08-21-2007, 12:07 PM
+2

It's funny to see some of the people on my project freaking out because the next project is going to be either Microstation or Tekla, and without their proficiency in AutoCAD they're screwed

Jlude
08-21-2007, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by Antonito
+2

It's funny to see some of the people on my project freaking out because the next project is going to be either Microstation or Tekla, and without their proficiency in AutoCAD they're screwed

What company are you working for? You guys don't use Tekla now?

Schwa
08-21-2007, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by 88CRX

Dual monitors FTW.... we're stuck with single 19&quot; LCD's :thumbsdow

Thats actually 3 :)

88CRX
08-21-2007, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by ottamania
Wanna learn the autocad !

I can help.

35 $ /hr.

pm me or call me for more info.

470-5959

seckin


LOL
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/88crx/samplegazebo1.jpg

Antonito
08-21-2007, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by Jlude


What company are you working for? You guys don't use Tekla now?

Several of the projects are already using Tekla, but some have been clinging to AutoCAD for dear life. As well, it was to have continuity with the previous jobs we had done for the clients. But from here on out it sounds like every project will be Tekla, I think they are phasing out Microstation too

adidas
08-21-2007, 12:14 PM
This turned into a architect meet. lol

Jlude
08-21-2007, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by Schwa


Thats actually 3 :)

I'm rockin' 3 right now... although, I only really use the third for beyond entertainment while I work.


Originally posted by Antonito


Several of the projects are already using Tekla, but some have been clinging to AutoCAD for dear life. As well, it was to have continuity with the previous jobs we had done for the clients. But from here on out it sounds like every project will be Tekla, I think they are phasing out Microstation too

Company?

GQBalla
08-21-2007, 12:22 PM
i learned how to do more than that in grade 10 draft and design.

lol

ken-gsr
08-21-2007, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by 88CRX



LOL
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/88crx/samplegazebo1.jpg


:rofl:

snowboard
08-21-2007, 01:02 PM
I'm rollin on dual 20's yoooo.

Lex350
08-21-2007, 01:13 PM
I use 3 x 19" monitors at my home office and one 22" widescreen at work.


http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/2711/e1bl2.jpg

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/5096/e2ac1.jpg

Lex350
08-21-2007, 01:15 PM
BTW...any Industrial designers on this board? We are looking for a candidate in our Edmonton office to work in our Health Care division.

legendboy
08-21-2007, 01:23 PM
I am actually rocking 2 - 26" widescreens here, samsung 245bw's :drool:

I design hvac equipment

Lex350
08-21-2007, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by legendboy
I am actually rocking 2 - 26&quot; widescreens here, samsung 245bw's :drool:

I design hvac equipment


Nice!

Jlude
08-21-2007, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by snowboard
I'm rollin on dual 20's yoooo.

+1

frozenrice
08-21-2007, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by Jlude


+1

MANY people know autocad/xsteel/strucad/Advancesteel etc...etc..

how many can actually make something work...

frozenrice... that arch. software looks amazing!

It's a cool program. It makes me wish I could pick up design/drafting again just to use it. I haven't done it for a few years now, but it was definately a great CAD package. Made for and by architects.

Lex350
08-21-2007, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by Jlude


+1

MANY people know autocad/xsteel/strucad/Advancesteel etc...etc..

how many can actually make something work...

frozenrice... that arch. software looks amazing!


the problem with that software is that the output you get isn't up to the quality that customers are demanding these days out of design visualization. More and more they are wanting photo-realistic with lots of detail. To accomplish something like that you need to work with one of these programs:


3D Max with either Vray or Mental Ray

Maya - (although its not as easy to use with architecture)

Maxwell is a neer program that gets great results but has some slower render times.


Mondo

Cinema 3D



Here are some links. Check ou the gallaries:

http://www.chaosgroup.com/

http://www.maxwellrender.com/


http://www.luxology.com/gallery/

Jlude
08-21-2007, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by rotten42



the problem with that software is that the output you get isn't up to the quality that customers are demanding these days out of design visualization. More and more they are wanting photo-realistic with lots of detail. To accomplish something like that you need to work with one of these programs:


3D Max with either Vray or Mental Ray

Maya - (although its not as easy to use with architecture)

Maxwell is a neer program that gets great results but has some slower render times.


Mondo

Cinema 3D



Here are some links. Check ou the gallaries:

http://www.chaosgroup.com/

http://www.maxwellrender.com/


http://www.luxology.com/gallery/


Some very interesting sites...
So much detail in those models.


Structural ftw!:thumbsup:

Lex350
08-21-2007, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by Jlude



Some very interesting sites...
So much detail in those models.


Structural ftw!:thumbsup:


sure....you keep telling yourself that Cad Monkey!!


j/k


http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/1165/epcprojectmk6.jpg

Jlude
08-21-2007, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by rotten42



sure....you keep telling yourself that Cad Monkey!!


j/k


http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/1165/epcprojectmk6.jpg

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Great cartoon!

ken-gsr
08-21-2007, 02:32 PM
That cartoon was hilarious. Hey what happend to the OP - I want some lessons yo!

ApexDrift
08-21-2007, 02:47 PM
damn civil, and site design stuff looks so boring comparied to your guy's stuff...

Antonito
08-21-2007, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by Jlude



Company?

One of the big ones in Oil and Gas. Sorry, I'm weird about this kind of stuff

Jlude
08-21-2007, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by Antonito


One of the big ones in Oil and Gas. Sorry, I'm weird about this kind of stuff

No worries...

Good to hear Tekla is getting more use! My value goes up and up with it's popluarity!

Antonito
08-21-2007, 03:27 PM
Since I took a 2 week X-Steel (version 5.something) training course 6 years ago, I'm apparently experienced. :rofl:

Whatever, half the fun of Tekla is that it's pretty easy to pick up. Then again that's why more and more of the work is getting outsourced to India on the cheap :(

Jlude
08-21-2007, 03:34 PM
wow... I didn't even use version 5... I'm on 13 now... you must be ancient!! j/k

Modeling in xsteel can be fun.... but when it comes to making templates/reports/custom macros/userjoints/custom profiles... it's not easy or fun!

Antonito
08-21-2007, 03:50 PM
I didn't get into doing that kind of stuff, how hard is it compared to doing the same sort of stuff in AutoCAD?

And yeah, it was kind of weird to realise that was 6 years ago. At my age I shouldn't be old enough to remember doing anything 6 years ago other than getting drunk and cutting classes

Jlude
08-21-2007, 03:54 PM
much MUCH harder... It's completely different.

I joined my current company roughly 8 months ago, I had to create all new reports, new drawing templates parts/assembly(11x17+8.5x14+24x36)/ Erection Drawings.

that alon took me a week.

88CRX
08-21-2007, 04:05 PM
For us normal folks use BIMG for posting your pics please.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:



And yea, that cartoon is so true :rofl: :rofl:

snowboard
08-21-2007, 04:09 PM
why havent we had a CAD usage/drafty/designer roll call on beyond yet haha...
its fairly common work?

88CRX
08-21-2007, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by snowboard
why havent we had a CAD usage/drafty/designer roll call on beyond yet haha...
its fairly common work?

Now we have an official thread!

:hijack:

Jlude
08-21-2007, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by snowboard
why havent we had a CAD usage/drafty/designer roll call on beyond yet haha...
its fairly common work?

especially for this city!

97'Scort
08-21-2007, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by snowboard
i love autocad hahaha.. Steel is boring though! cadworx and smartplant are funnnnnn. haha i have a post some time ago where i drew a bunch of cars in autocad when i was bored at work haha...

Smartplant is FUN? This beta test piece of monkey shit isn't worth the disc space is takes up. I've spent the last goddamn hour trying to move one control station up 200 mm and it still refuses to budge. AutoPlant is ten times better than this piece of crap.

frozenrice
08-21-2007, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by rotten42
the problem with that software is that the output you get isn't up to the quality that customers are demanding these days out of design visualization. More and more they are wanting photo-realistic with lots of detail.


Are you talking about autocad/xsteel/strucad/Advancesteel hopefully? ArchiCAD does a pretty good job doesn't it?

Antonito
08-21-2007, 04:21 PM
Yeah, AutoPlant is great. Unless you have to make drawings

88CRX
08-21-2007, 04:24 PM
I've never even heard of most of these programs... most of our office is still on AutoCad 2005 LT :rofl: :rofl:

Antonito
08-21-2007, 04:26 PM
^^ These are all for 3D modelling

frozenrice
08-21-2007, 04:34 PM
Since we're on the topic, anybody got a copy of A. CAD that I can have? I just want it to play around on. I never really used it a whole lot since I used ArchiCAD. Would kind of be nice to get a feel for it. And no I don't want lessons :rofl:.

Jason Lange
08-21-2007, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by Jlude
Erection Drawings.


Haha:thumbsup:

Jlude
08-21-2007, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by frozenrice
Since we're on the topic, anybody got a copy of A. CAD that I can have? I just want it to play around on. I never really used it a whole lot since I used ArchiCAD. Would kind of be nice to get a feel for it. And no I don't want lessons :rofl:.


You can download a version... or I have 2006 if you want.

Jlude
08-21-2007, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by Jason Lange


Haha:thumbsup:


TY!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I was just waiting to see who would do that first!

SunniSunShine
08-21-2007, 04:58 PM
OP = PWNT

Kona9
08-21-2007, 04:59 PM
Wow it's nice to see so many drafters and designers on Beyond!

Junior Piper here. I finished the cad courses at SAIT for the exception of 3D (CADworx in my case as work will teach it to me free of charge.)

I am only doing piddly P&ID mark up changes right now, but considering what I was doing for work and the departments I had to work in (Doc Control, Expediting and Project Admin for all you oil guys and girls) to "do my time" as an outsider so to speak. Fresh to the industry with a shoe in from a friend.

I'm just starting piping courses at SAIT and they already have me drafting from the little I know. Excellent company in my honest opinion! Not to mention extremely generous to us staff.

Anyways quite a bit off the main topic line of programs themselves etc. but I do feel lucky and am thankful for the life change. Im looking forward to this career. With as fun as it has been I'd be stupid to not give it a chance.

Oh yeah we use

AutoCAD 2006 and now 08
Autoflow 07
CADworx
as well a few others that are either real new or up and coming.

Dual 19" LCDs

Antonito
08-21-2007, 05:05 PM
In my detailing class the teacher was showing us slide shows of steel buildings, and say "does anyone have any experience working with ERECTIONS?" (booming emphasis on erections). All of us got that it was a test and kept quiet. Except one girl, who had a laughing fit for literally 2 minutes.

This was the same girl that after 4 months of drawing the same fcuking beam all day every day (plan view, side view, section view, with differing bolt patterns and copes) comes over while I'm playing with a small model I-Beam (W beam if you want to get technical)
Me: "ooooooh, fancy shmancy, it's our drawings in 3D. Plan view, side view, section view" as I rotate it thusly
Girl: Oh, it's all one thing!
Me: What?
Girl: I didn't know it was all one thingee, I just drew whatever everyone else did"
Me: :cry: :banghead:

She now works at Red Robins as a waitress :D

frozenrice
08-21-2007, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Jlude



You can download a version... or I have 2006 if you want.

What's a good site? I've googled around and most sites only have a 30 day trial version. Most other sites are for add ons and misc stuff for A. CAD.

Lex350
08-21-2007, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by frozenrice



Are you talking about autocad/xsteel/strucad/Advancesteel hopefully? ArchiCAD does a pretty good job doesn't it?


I'm talking about ArchiCAD. It doesn't come close to what you can do with some of the programs I listed. If all of you want to see a sight with as much information as you can handle about the 3D rendering industry. Go here:

http://www.cgarchitect.com/vb/

To see some imazing images look in the gallery. To get information sign up on the forum.


another good site


http://www.3dallusions.com/forums/index.php

Jlude
08-21-2007, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by frozenrice


What's a good site? I've googled around and most sites only have a 30 day trial version. Most other sites are for add ons and misc stuff for A. CAD.


You can get it from a torrentsite...

www.torrentspy.com

or just pm me... I'll give you a copy.

ottamania
08-21-2007, 08:31 PM
i didnt know that so many drafters around here. very good.

yeah i just posted that easy sample drawing just to show what the heck is autocad bout. there is notin to it....

The Cosworth
08-21-2007, 08:36 PM
that reminds me of what we had to do first week of my first year autoCAD class

ottamania
08-21-2007, 08:48 PM
yeah as i said something easy.

G-ZUS
08-21-2007, 09:30 PM
On the topic of CAD programs, there is this one we used in Drafting & Design in grade 10, I can't remember the name of it but you got to plan out houses and shit in it, I saw more of a game lol. Does anyone know the names of any programs of the type?

Antonito
08-22-2007, 03:04 AM
^^ I remember we used Autosketch to do the drafting in my Grade 10 course, and it had tic tac toe embedded in it. Don't know if that helps

euro tang
08-22-2007, 07:24 AM
I'm using AutoPLANT Structural right now and pretty proficient in that. Been taught Frameworks but haven’t worked on it enough to get the hang of it. The company I’m working for is starting to use TEKLA on one of the projects. Hopefully we'll all get to use it in the near future because it looks pretty sweet. Supposedly engineers and designers use it together for designing and drafting. I heard it produces shop drawings from models as well.

Anyone here used TEKLA before?

Kona9
08-22-2007, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by euro tang

Anyone here used TEKLA before?

Must read whole thread!

Jlude
08-22-2007, 08:19 AM
Originally posted by euro tang
I'm using AutoPLANT Structural right now and pretty proficient in that. Been taught Frameworks but haven’t worked on it enough to get the hang of it. The company I’m working for is starting to use TEKLA on one of the projects. Hopefully we'll all get to use it in the near future because it looks pretty sweet. Supposedly engineers and designers use it together for designing and drafting. I heard it produces shop drawings from models as well.

Anyone here used TEKLA before?


I've been using it for 4 years...

ken-gsr
08-22-2007, 08:24 AM
Originally posted by ottamania
i didnt know that so many drafters around here. very good.

yeah i just posted that easy sample drawing just to show what the heck is autocad bout. there is notin to it....

‘Notin to it’? Have you actually taken any formal CAD classes, or Architectural classes for that matter? Sure the stuff that you drew I would say 'der is notin to er', but it is actually a very in depth program (sure maybe not as much as others - I hate Revit). I mean come on man, if you are going to teach the program then go take some training on how to use it to the fullest capacity.

The Cosworth
08-22-2007, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by G-ZUS
On the topic of CAD programs, there is this one we used in Drafting &amp; Design in grade 10, I can't remember the name of it but you got to plan out houses and shit in it, I saw more of a game lol. Does anyone know the names of any programs of the type?

isn't that the home builder one where you can lay out furnature too? I think home depot gave it away for free but not back in the day of original mac's

Antonito
08-22-2007, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by ken-gsr


‘Notin to it’? Have you actually taken any formal CAD classes, or Architectural classes for that matter? Sure the stuff that you drew I would say 'der is notin to er', but it is actually a very in depth program (sure maybe not as much as others - I hate Revit). I mean come on man, if you are going to teach the program then go take some training on how to use it to the fullest capacity.

:werd:

"AutoCAD is easy. Oh crap, why won't that work? Oh well, it's just one of the magical CAD gremlins. Don't worry about that"

frozenrice
08-22-2007, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by rotten42



I'm talking about ArchiCAD. It doesn't come close to what you can do with some of the programs I listed. If all of you want to see a sight with as much information as you can handle about the 3D rendering industry. Go here:

http://www.cgarchitect.com/vb/

To see some imazing images look in the gallery. To get information sign up on the forum.


another good site


http://www.3dallusions.com/forums/index.php

Really impressive stuff. Are those images rendered directly off of the CAD drawings or are they touched up in different applications?

Lex350
08-22-2007, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by frozenrice


Really impressive stuff. Are those images rendered directly off of the CAD drawings or are they touched up in different applications?


Most of the work is done with importing a cad drawing into one of those programs. Usually you do a bit of post production work in Photoshop to pump the images up a bit. it would also differ depending on if the image was being used for print or just for vieing on a screen.

G-ZUS
08-22-2007, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by brendankharris


isn't that the home builder one where you can lay out furnature too? I think home depot gave it away for free but not back in the day of original mac's


Sorry it was like in 2002 ish

ken-gsr
08-22-2007, 11:33 AM
I guess the OP doesn't want to teach CAD anymore :dunno: he took his original post down.
Don't worry Seckin, I still have your number incase I decide I need some lessons down the road.
Forgive me, I am an asshole.

Jlude
08-22-2007, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by ken-gsr
I guess the OP doesn't want to teach CAD anymore :dunno: he took his original post down.
Don't worry Seckin, I still have your number incase I decide I need some lessons down the road.
Forgive me, I am an asshole.

Yes, yes you are! j/k

eur0
08-22-2007, 11:41 AM
Do you guys find this industry rewarding? Is it something that you enjoy doing everyday, or do you find the work tedious?

ken-gsr
08-22-2007, 11:43 AM
:thumbsdow

No I am just kidding, I guess I find my job rewarding (when I get my pay cheque). It is not a very good paying industry (on the Architectural side anyways). On the plus side you really only need the 2 year technical diploma from SAIT to become an Architectural Technologist.

Jlude
08-22-2007, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by eur0
Do you guys find this industry rewarding? Is it something that you enjoy doing everyday, or do you find the work tedious?

I personally love it... but I've only been doing it for 4 years... I guess after 20+ years, I'll be just as miserable as the 50+yr olds that I work with!

eur0
08-22-2007, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by ken-gsr
:thumbsdow

No I am just kidding, I guess I find my job rewarding (when I get my pay cheque). It is not a very good paying industry (on the Architectural side anyways). On the plus side you really only need the 2 year technical diploma from SAIT to become an Architectural Technologist.

Isn't any job good when you get a paycheque :). Are you an assistant?

88CRX
08-22-2007, 12:03 PM
Yea, the Architecural stuff is boring enough... I couldn't imagine doing Civil or mechanical or electrical shit all day long :banghead:

Lex350
08-22-2007, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by ken-gsr
:thumbsdow

No I am just kidding, I guess I find my job rewarding (when I get my pay cheque). It is not a very good paying industry (on the Architectural side anyways). On the plus side you really only need the 2 year technical diploma from SAIT to become an Architectural Technologist.

I graduated in Interior design from MRC and I make a 6 figure income. The field is what you mnake of it. The problem I see with many of the people that I hire is that the industry changes but nthey don't...or atleast they don't stay ahead of the curve. Find somehting that makes you stand out from the masses and you can make good money. I worked towards more the marketing side of things by doing rendering, marketing materials and tender responses and my job evolved into something completely different.


The range I've paid for Arch Techs has been from 35k to 65k...it all depends. You career is what you make of it. Don't wait around and expect the employer to work that out for you.

Lex350
08-22-2007, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by Jlude


I personally love it... but I've only been doing it for 4 years... I guess after 20+ years, I'll be just as miserable as the 50+yr olds that I work with!


see...if you end up doing the same thing after 20 years then you deserve to be miserable. Sometimes you need to take riskd with your career to get ahead.

ken-gsr
08-22-2007, 12:29 PM
my goals lye else where - but thanks for the pep talk champ.

Lex350
08-22-2007, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by ken-gsr
my goals lye else where - but thanks for the pep talk champ.

Look, I'm not trying to be condescending. I just see a lot of people that have the attitude that once they have graduated, they are done leaning and they end up in a dead end position.

frozenrice
08-22-2007, 01:06 PM
I have to admit that Architectural Tech isn't all that it's made out to be or at least what I expected it to be, but like rotten said, you make it into what you want it to be and sometimes it does involve a bit of risk. Unfortunately I figured this out too late. With a wife, kids and a mortage, it's stuff to start all over again. It took me many years working for a builder to get to the equal starting pay that some of my friends with university degrees got. The only real HUGE upside to it was getting an insider discount on our house when we built (It's worth 3 times more than we paid about 4 years ago).

BlackArcher101
08-22-2007, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by eur0
Do you guys find this industry rewarding? Is it something that you enjoy doing everyday, or do you find the work tedious?

I love it. The best part is looking at the finished item you designed and drafted up. Quite fulfilling.

As for this thread, I can't post any renderings of what I do, but I run Autdoesk Inventor 2008 for 3D work (the majority of my work) on two 19" LCD's. Occasionally use Mechanical Desktop for simple 2D work. Never learned 3D in autocad.

I do mechanical and some structure in the Oil & Gas industry.

snowboard
08-22-2007, 05:11 PM
haha im a mechanical designer not an archtiectural guyyy
i design gas plants, i enjoy that? the old dudes i work with dont seem to mind it either still. i think civil and structural are boring as fuckkkkk. if you know how to draft, you can draft anything, IMO at least. ive learn8 million times more outside of school than i did in.

Jlude
08-22-2007, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by snowboard
haha im a mechanical designer not an archtiectural guyyy
i design gas plants, i enjoy that? the old dudes i work with dont seem to mind it either still. i think civil and structural are boring as fuckkkkk. if you know how to draft, you can draft anything, IMO at least. ive learn8 million times more outside of school than i did in.


I agree to an extent... even if you know how to draft... you have to know what it is you're drawing. How it's gonna fit in the field...


I do structural... it's the same old shit... same old story...
I could turn this into a rant... but I won't!:nut:

Antonito
08-22-2007, 05:21 PM
I'm in structural. It has it's good days and bad. If it's a non-typical structure and there are challenges to putting it together, then I really enjoy my job. If I'm doing the 15th identical piperack in a row, that's when it gets crappy. For now I'm able to ride those instances out by zoning out with my headphones on and pushing through. Don't know if I'll be able to in 10 years. That's why every once in a while I'm tempted to just pack up and move to Dubai or China, they have some insane structures there that look like a lot of fun to do.

Then again in my leisure time I talk to my fellow friends who are designers about engineering stuff for fun, so maybe I'm just a bit mental :)