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Hakkola
08-27-2007, 02:30 PM
I think it would be great if people would post what supplements they have used.

List the supplement, brand, and how well it worked for you, and any other supplements you took at the same time.

ISS Research Satur8 Rush http://www.supplements101.com/info/isssatur8rush/Product_Label.htm

I think the flavour I have is grape, I don't really care about the taste though so I won't rate it. What's great though is that I never get an upset stomach from it, and it has proven to be a good energy boost.

I tried Xyience NOX before and it gave me more of a bloated look, especially on my face. http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2133575&cp=2195589&sr=1&origkw=xyience&parentPage=family

I took GNC Megamass protein powder last year and this year mixed with half a carton of yogurt, 1 banana, water and assorted berries, (can't find link to megamass protein), both while also taking the mega men multivitamin.http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2641168&cp=2167069.2108497.2108478&parentPage=family I made pretty big gains, the first time I made about 25 pounds in 3 months. The second time I gained about 20 pounds in 2 months. First time I was using Xyience NOX and second time was with ISS Satur8. I've made pretty good results.

One last product I've tried, only started about 3 weeks ago, is GNC's Triflex vitamin for relief of joint pain etc. I've found that the pain in my wrists during lifting has pretty much gone away since I started taking it, however I've had knee problems, and it has seemed to get worse since taking Triflex. It is probably because the nature of the injury is different...

I'm no expert on products, and I've heard GNC is not the best place to buy supplements, I only go there because of convenience. If you have information of supplements, reviews or know of good places to buy, post up!

Edit - One great side effect I forgot to add. I almost never get colds or the flu or anything like that since I've started taking supplments. I used to have a cold or something pretty much all the time through the winter, I got a cold for the first time this year last week and it wasn't bad at all. It could also be the result of excersize and healthier eating, but I played sports competitively all through my life.
:thumbsup:

pinoyhero
08-27-2007, 07:44 PM
My current stack:

AM
Syntha 6 (you must shake or blend)
Animal Pak
Glucosamine

Mid Day
ISS Oh Yeah Bar
Omega 3-6-9

Pre afternoon work out
Animal Pump (previoulsy Superpump250 OR NOXplode)

Post work out
Muscle Milk
BCAAs

Proteins are the best, I've tried almost everything.
As far as pre-work out supp I like Superpump, NOX and then AP in that order.

TVG
08-31-2007, 04:35 PM
Biotest Power Drive

I really like drinking this stuff. Has a really nice feeling. Could just be the taste though.

Biotest ZMA

Did not notice anything. Many are now saying the theory behind them is bunk.

Biotest BCAA's

Did not notice anything. I don't think anyone needs them unless they aren't getting enough food.

Cytosport Cytogainer

I have had pretty good results using this as my PWO drink, but can't say if it's better than any weight gainer.

Trisport Endurox R4

Used to take this back in the days when I would get very sick after training. It worked great. It is very expensive though.

ECA stack

Tolerance goes up way too fast for these to be useable for fat loss purposes. I do like the feeling of ephedrine much better than caffiene by itself though.

Clenbuterol

Really like the anti-catabolic properties, but wasn't impressed at all with the fat loss. More and more research coming out is showing it is not a good thing to be taking either.

B12 Injections

Didn't notice any appetite or energy increase, but what the hell, it's cheap and painless.

Prolabs Creatine

To be honest I did not notice anything with this. No water retention, no strength, nothing. The Cytogainer has creatine though, and I do get good results with it, so it's hard to say.

Modafinil

Not exactly bodybuilding related, but this stuff is pretty good. Pop one in the morning, and you will feel great all day. It is nothing like caffiene, ephedrine, adderall etc. It just removes any feeling of tiredness. I only use it on special occasions as tolerance builds quickly.

Hakkola
08-31-2007, 07:56 PM
Where do you get Modafinil?

TVG
09-02-2007, 08:59 PM
I can get pretty much any prescription drug from foreign pharmacies.

GTS Jeff
09-02-2007, 10:01 PM
Don't trust TVG. He's the guy that can't learn how to park properly even after 3 tickets for the same thing.

You know what else is funny? It takes 4 years to get a Pharmacy degree (and that's usually after a 4 year BSc) and be legally educated enough to dispense controlled drugs. This genius here does it himself with no training - and he's proud of it!

broken_legs
09-02-2007, 10:11 PM
I went from a flabby 180 lbs to 225 and the most ripped and strongest ive ever been in 8 months taking Optimum Nutrition Whey. 1st ingredient is isolate with a big chunk of BCAAs


I think I did 4 creatine cycles in there

For creatine i took whatever brand of monohydrate was cheapest at the time, added in a scoop of dextrose and had great results. I believe I was using Prolab brand.

Also tried some of those tribulus testosterone herbal pills... Found I just got really short tempered. The Ex GF called them asshole pills and Id have to agree. Cant say that I can like any tangible results to the pills. I tried Ultimate Nutrition once and another brand one other time.

Also took some nighttime protein for a month or two in there somewhere

And finally lots of Glutamine. Ive used Prolab, and Ultimate Nutrition and had great results with both.

Hakkola
09-06-2007, 02:26 PM
Well, I spent most of the morning in the hospital. Stay away from this stuff, especially if you think your heart has been uneasy. ISS Research Satur8 Rush http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/iss/rush.html

I woke up at 3:30am, felt like my heart skipped a beat, left arm went numb, chest didn't feel too good, got nauseus and long story short, I ended up in the hospital for x-rays and blood tests and all sorts of fun. I have irregular heart beat, my heart seems to skip, got my blood tests back, no real problems, except we're still waiting for the thyroid test to come back.

Be careful with what kind of shit you put into your body, even if you're a young guy you can have problems.

Edit - new link

GQBalla
09-06-2007, 03:47 PM
link no worky.

89coupe
09-06-2007, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Hakkola
Well, I spent most of the morning in the hospital. Stay away from this stuff, especially if you think your heart has been uneasy. ISS Research Satur8 Rush http://www.supplements101.com/info/...oduct_Label.htm

I woke up at 3:30am, felt like my heart skipped a beat, left arm went numb, chest didn't feel too good, got nauseus and long story short, I ended up in the hospital for x-rays and blood tests and all sorts of fun. I have irregular heart beat, my heart seems to skip, got my blood tests back, no real problems, except we're still waiting for the thyroid test to come back.

Be careful with what kind of shit you put into your body, even if you're a young guy you can have problems.

LOL, holy fuck man. What the hell were you thinking. Is your penis that small that you feel the need to take drugs for muscle gain?

Stick to eating chicken & tuna...LOL

Hakkola
09-06-2007, 04:02 PM
Not drugs, just creatine shit, thing is the stuff had like 200mg of caffeine per serving, I don't think my heart is too happy with all that caffeine.

GQBalla
09-06-2007, 04:02 PM
linkyyy

Hakkola
09-06-2007, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by GQBalla
link no worky.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/iss/rush.html

89coupe
09-06-2007, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Hakkola
Not drugs, just creatine shit, thing is the stuff had like 200mg of caffeine per serving, I don't think my heart is too happy with all that caffeine.

Maybe you had an allergic reaction.

Really man, eating right and working out fucking hard will do the trick. Don't waste your money on supplements, the minuscule gains are not worth the cash IMO.

Yeh I've tried creatine, protein powders & Amino Acids and really its just a waste of money.

ecstasy_civic
09-06-2007, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by TVG
Biotest Power Drive

I really like drinking this stuff. Has a really nice feeling. Could just be the taste though.

Biotest ZMA

Did not notice anything. Many are now saying the theory behind them is bunk.

Biotest BCAA's

Did not notice anything. I don't think anyone needs them unless they aren't getting enough food.

Cytosport Cytogainer

I have had pretty good results using this as my PWO drink, but can't say if it's better than any weight gainer.

Trisport Endurox R4

Used to take this back in the days when I would get very sick after training. It worked great. It is very expensive though.

ECA stack

Tolerance goes up way too fast for these to be useable for fat loss purposes. I do like the feeling of ephedrine much better than caffiene by itself though.

Clenbuterol

Really like the anti-catabolic properties, but wasn't impressed at all with the fat loss. More and more research coming out is showing it is not a good thing to be taking either.

B12 Injections

Didn't notice any appetite or energy increase, but what the hell, it's cheap and painless.

Prolabs Creatine

To be honest I did not notice anything with this. No water retention, no strength, nothing. The Cytogainer has creatine though, and I do get good results with it, so it's hard to say.

Modafinil

Not exactly bodybuilding related, but this stuff is pretty good. Pop one in the morning, and you will feel great all day. It is nothing like caffiene, ephedrine, adderall etc. It just removes any feeling of tiredness. I only use it on special occasions as tolerance builds quickly.


Oh wow...
You talk about stuff you maybe shouldnt lol

ZMA's are great for a sleep aid, not so much for bodybuilding, ECA's have been used forever in short cycle ONLY, theres a reason you built a tolerance for it. B12 shots are a waste unless your taking a few shots a day, 50% of the intial shot is lost within an half hour of injection. Modifinil is used for ADD/ADHD probably why its nothing like ECA lol :banghead:


As far as you talking about getting scripts from foreign countries, :drama: anyone can get it, but why would you even attempt it now in this kind of market?
Dont get caught:devil:

Hakkola
09-06-2007, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by 89coupe


Maybe you had an allergic reaction.

Really man, eating right and working out fucking hard will do the trick. Don't waste your money on supplements, the minuscule gains are not worth the cash IMO.


No, no reaction, I've taken it a few times now, it gives a pretty damn good energy boost before a workout, but that said I'm never going to touch it again. I'll just stick to healthy eating and maybe some protein bars once in awhile.

ecstasy_civic
09-06-2007, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by 89coupe


Maybe you had an allergic reaction.

Really man, eating right and working out fucking hard will do the trick. Don't waste your money on supplements, the minuscule gains are not worth the cash IMO.

Yeh I've tried creatine, protein powders & Amino Acids and really its just a waste of money.

Protein will always be a good supplement, its the basis of building muscle, creatine ive used once, and never thought about it again, amino acids/glutamine also good additions to your diet.
I guess it depends on your opinion.

89coupe
09-06-2007, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by Hakkola


No, no reaction, I've taken it a few times now, it gives a pretty damn good energy boost before a workout, but that said I'm never going to touch it again. I'll just stick to healthy eating and maybe some protein bars once in awhile.

Well 200mg of caffeine isn't really that much. About the same as a large coffee. So I doubt it was the caffeine.

Healthy eating is the best approach by far. Your body will love you for it and will make you stronger and healthier in the long run in all avenues of everyday living.

GTS Jeff
09-06-2007, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by 89coupe


LOL, holy fuck man. What the hell were you thinking. Is your penis that small that you feel the need to take drugs for muscle gain?

Stick to eating chicken & tuna...LOL Allergies make you rashy and itchy...it just sounds like Hakk has a sensitive heart that doesn't like to be pushed too hard. Let's see what his docs say...

89coupe
09-06-2007, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by GTS Jeff
Allergies make you rashy and itchy...it just sounds like Hakk has a sensitive heart that doesn't like to be pushed too hard. Let's see what his docs say...

Allergic reactions can also constrict airways causing your heart to pump harder for the oxygen its demanding, which would give him all the symptons he described.

GTS Jeff
09-06-2007, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by 89coupe


Allergic reactions can also constrict airways causing your heart to pump harder for the oxygen its demanding, which would give him all the symptons he described. Thanks doctor, but a constricted airway would cause more noticeable symptoms to the patient like SOB before they complain about a racing heart. And a heart demanding oxygen? Nope. It's mainly CO2 that tells the brain to tell the heart to speed up. And as I said, if you are having an allergic reaction to something, you would know. Either way, why are you arguing with me? You already know that you were wrong. :dunno:

Hakkola
09-06-2007, 07:16 PM
I don't think the problem was a racing heart, though I'm no doctor, my resting heartrate is about 48bpm, and while I was at the hospital the fastest it went was 74, which is a huge increase but not outside of what is considered normal, if anything my blood pressure and bpm was low, lowest I saw it go was about 42. I never broke out into a sweat or became out of breath, just incredibly uncomfortable with some pain and neausea etc...

89coupe
09-06-2007, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by GTS Jeff
Thanks doctor, but a constricted airway would cause more noticeable symptoms to the patient like SOB before they complain about a racing heart. And a heart demanding oxygen? Nope. It's mainly CO2 that tells the brain to tell the heart to speed up. And as I said, if you are having an allergic reaction to something, you would know. Either way, why are you arguing with me? You already know that you were wrong. :dunno:

I disagree, thats why I'm arguing with you.;)

GTS Jeff
09-06-2007, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by 89coupe


I disagree, thats why I'm arguing with you.;) What's left to disagree about?

shakalaka
09-06-2007, 07:29 PM
I wanted to lose weight first, then started working out. Started gaining muscle along with losing weight. It's almost impossible to lose weight and gain muscle at the same time. Right now I am working out and I am only taking Protein. My pecs are getting pretty strong and I am trying to bring my arms to the same level, once I get bulky overall, I will prolly take some supplement to cut me down, so that the flab and stuff from the stomach disappears as well.

ecstasy_civic
09-06-2007, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by shakalaka
I wanted to lose weight first, then started working out. Started gaining muscle along with losing weight. It's almost impossible to lose weight and gain muscle at the same time. Right now I am working out and I am only taking Protein. My pecs are getting pretty strong and I am trying to bring my arms to the same level, once I get bulky overall, I will prolly take some supplement to cut me down, so that the flab and stuff from the stomach disappears as well.

Once you reach that part, thats when your determination will come in. Strict diet and excellant cardio will rid you of that excess weight.
Just dont try to depend on the supp. depend on yourself with the aid of the supp.

shakalaka
09-06-2007, 10:13 PM
I know, like I am pretty big right now. Well bigger than average anyway. I don't have too much fat left anymore, just that last bit of flab. I am pretty motivated when I am in the gym. My main problem is the diet, I just can't seem to keep that right. If I can get that straight, I could reach my goal so much faster.

I usually train with the weights for an hour to hour and half. That's how I start my workout, and then cardio for 40 mins to an hour. And I try to do that for 6 days a week.

00CivicSi
09-06-2007, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by Hakkola
I don't think the problem was a racing heart, though I'm no doctor, my resting heartrate is about 48bpm, and while I was at the hospital the fastest it went was 74, which is a huge increase but not outside of what is considered normal, if anything my blood pressure and bpm was low, lowest I saw it go was about 42. I never broke out into a sweat or became out of breath, just incredibly uncomfortable with some pain and neausea etc...


I'm no Doc either but Saturate Rush has L-arginie in it which increases oxygen flow and dialates your blood vessels. That's why some people take it as a natural viagra. Mixed with the caffine which increases blood circulation by constricting your blood vessels. Because the 2 items mixed and clashed your body got a little shock out of that so your body had to fix and correct itself, that's why you felt like shit.

ecstasy_civic
09-06-2007, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by shakalaka
I know, like I am pretty big right now. Well bigger than average anyway. I don't have too much fat left anymore, just that last bit of flab. I am pretty motivated when I am in the gym. My main problem is the diet, I just can't seem to keep that right. If I can get that straight, I could reach my goal so much faster.

I usually train with the weights for an hour to hour and half. That's how I start my workout, and then cardio for 40 mins to an hour. And I try to do that for 6 days a week.

Sounds solid man, just a matter of time then:thumbsup:

CSVT
09-07-2007, 11:45 AM
I use 100% pure Badger milk.

TVG
09-10-2007, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by ecstasy_civic


Dont get caught:devil:

It's actually legal to import a 3 month supply of non-controlled prescription drugs. Not sure how the classes work. You can get benzo's and painkillers in with no problems, but something like adderall or morphine no chance. BTW modafinil isn't prescribed for ADHD in Canada. Only for narcolepsy.

And GTS, about having to be a pharmacist to try these drugs: do you honestly think a pharmacist knows more about a fairly rare and new drug like modafinil than someone whose done extensive research? It is probably one of the most common stimulants in the bodybuilding community now. If you won't use an FDA-approved drug that thousands of people are using with no problems, because you need a pharmacists permission, than I sure hope you aren't using any recreational drugs. I have also told my doctor, and she had no problem with it.


Adding a review I forgot here:

Biotest Caffiene-free Spike

This is the stuff that everyone makes a big deal about. GSP from UFC is sponsered by Biotest/Spike.

I tried it without the caffiene, because I wanted to see if the only thing people were feeling was the caffiene. I noticed nothing, even at 3 pills (recommended dose is 2), so I think it's safe to say it is bogus.

GTS Jeff
09-10-2007, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by TVG
And GTS, about having to be a pharmacist to try these drugs: do you honestly think a pharmacist knows more about a fairly rare and new drug like modafinil than someone whose done extensive research? It is probably one of the most common stimulants in the bodybuilding community now. If you won't use an FDA-approved drug that thousands of people are using with no problems, because you need a pharmacists permission, than I sure hope you aren't using any recreational drugs. I have also told my doctor, and she had no problem with it. Umm yes, I do. They don't go to school for 6-8 years just to learn how to count pills, and you are idiot if you think your couple hours of "extensive research" is more valuable. Do you even know what proper research entails? I'll give you an idea, it's more than just putting your fat meaty head in front of a bodybuilding forum...:rolleyes:

I feel like I'm the kid in the 6th sense, saying, "I see stupid people," and you're Bruce Willis, not knowing just how fucking stupid you're being right now.

GTS Jeff
09-10-2007, 03:38 PM
"Walking around like regular people. They don't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know they're stupid."

1-Bar
09-11-2007, 08:37 PM
^lol bb forums>post secondary education

BTW your (TVR) test runs are merely qualitative at best, not really something to rely heavily on.

broken_legs
09-12-2007, 12:52 AM
i was at a table of 5 women who were all Pharmacists. They all knew far more about drugs and drug interactions then I could ever hope to learn in a couple hours of research. Really eye opening for me as I learned a couple things, and was also floored at the knowledge these very nice looking bunch of ladies had to offer.

Up until that point I thought they were pill counters too, but I believe thats pharmacy technician not pharmacist.?

msommers
09-13-2007, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by 1-Bar
^lol bb forums>post secondary education

Who do you think runs research projects and develops enhancement drugs? Sorry my mistake, I was thinking of people with post secondary education, must have been a bunch of body builders getting together and publishing results.

msommers
09-13-2007, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by broken_legs
i was at a table of 5 women who were all Pharmacists. They all knew far more about drugs and drug interactions then I could ever hope to learn in a couple hours of research. Really eye opening for me as I learned a couple things, and was also floored at the knowledge these very nice looking bunch of ladies had to offer.

Up until that point I thought they were pill counters too, but I believe thats pharmacy technician not pharmacist.?

Technicians more so but neither just sit and count pills all day. Pharmacists need to know a lot about medications, how they work and constantly be reading for newly developed drugs. They also have to be on the lookout for incorrect prescriptions (it does happen), dosages and also be able to help direct people with vitamin/mineral intake questions, STD questions....the list goes on. Fact is, they are not dumb people and have to put in a lot of education to do what they do, simply because they NEED to know this stuff to do their job properly.

I like that you came on here, said what you thought you knew something, admitted you learned something and are now proudly educated about it, and why shouldn't you be. It's fucking proud ignorance I can't stand.