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Gripenfelter
07-09-2003, 07:56 AM
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Pete92SL
07-09-2003, 08:30 AM
hmm, also known as the HSV down under.

Pete

ecstasy_civic
07-09-2003, 09:09 AM
hope its fast, it looks like a cavailer.

Hollywood
07-09-2003, 09:13 AM
Looks like a cavalier. Does not list the wieght either.

STI-Guy
07-09-2003, 09:18 AM
I'll take mine in Phanton Black Metallic, please.

Gripenfelter
07-09-2003, 11:28 AM
With 350hp they're estimating 1/4 mile times in the very low 13s/high 12s.

I'm guessing around the weight of a Grand Prix GTP.

ecstasy_civic
07-09-2003, 11:36 AM
thats insane, i guess its there answer for the camaro and the competition to the svt cobra?

HillBilly
07-09-2003, 11:46 AM
No offence to anyone, but what a let down. The GTO is supposed to be a machine that instills fear at the drag strip. This thing looks to calm to be a real pony car. The GTO is dead. :(

Abom
07-09-2003, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by Stealth R/T
No offence to anyone, but what a let down. The GTO is supposed to be a machine that instills fear at the drag strip. This thing looks to calm to be a real pony car. The GTO is dead. :(


I think it looks great. You have to remember, they need to *sell* these cars in order to make some money. Something that looks crazy and instills fear (I'm guessing you want 500+ HP?) won't sell enough to make money.

Gripenfelter
07-09-2003, 01:10 PM
The GTO is actually aimed to be competition for the BMW M5.

It is NOT replacing the Camaro/Firebird.

HillBilly
07-09-2003, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by Abom



I think it looks great. You have to remember, they need to *sell* these cars in order to make some money. Something that looks crazy and instills fear (I'm guessing you want 500+ HP?) won't sell enough to make money.

True.

To me though, the GTO was not a car made for the masses.

Hollywood
07-09-2003, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by Gripenfelter
With 350hp they're estimating 1/4 mile times in the very low 13s/high 12s.

I'm guessing around the weight of a Grand Prix GTP.

We will wait and see. 12's 1/4 mile? Yet a 5.X 0-60 does not sound right to me at this point, but many different factors involved, proof instead of talk.


Originally posted by Stealth R/T
No offence to anyone, but what a let down. The GTO is supposed to be a machine that instills fear at the drag strip. This thing looks to calm to be a real pony car. The GTO is dead. :(

I agree! A GTO that looks like a 16,000 dollar cav? People will see it drive by and say that's a nice cavalier! Is it actually built on a cav chassis?

Steering wheel is ass looking too.


Originally posted by Abom
I think it looks great. You have to remember, they need to *sell* these cars in order to make some money.

I agree too! Cars need to sell. The 350z is a good example of a cool car high priced, but sells well, unlike the 3rd gen Rx7 and 90-s supra's, super fast cars, big money, poor sales.....(Good resale).

Abom
07-09-2003, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by Stealth R/T
True.

To me though, the GTO was not a car made for the masses.



I agree, but with how the economy works these days, it just isn't possible anymore :(

Hollywood
07-09-2003, 03:39 PM
I just look at the web site for it. It has better pics than the brochure. It looks ok, nice car but why not dual exhaust in the back.....so un-american v8'ish. I'm disapointed.

Both exhausts merge to the final exit on the right.

Gripenfelter
07-09-2003, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by Hollywood


We will wait and see. 12's 1/4 mile? Yet a 5.X 0-60 does not sound right to me at this point, but many different factors involved, proof instead of talk.

Some LS1 Fbodies post 1/4 mile times in the 12.9-13.3 range with 0-60 times in the 5.x range. Reason being, the LS1 pulls better up top. :burnout:

4wheeldrift
07-09-2003, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Hollywood

Is it actually built on a cav chassis?
Its based on the Holden coupe chassis, derived from the Commodore. It has absolutely nothing in common with the cavalier. For that matter, it isn't like anything else in GM's lineup at the moment, it doesn't share a platform with any of their other cars. Curb weight should be in the 3500# range. I like it personally, its enough of a sleeper that no one would give it a second look until you left the line in a cloud of tire smoke.

Hollywood
07-09-2003, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by 4wheeldrift
Curb weight should be in the 3500# range.

Ouch!

Oh well the engine is proven itself at least. The car should be interesting. Est price in CAD?

lammer
07-09-2003, 06:44 PM
Its interesting to see that the gauges are the same color as the car. thats neat.

This car sure is a beast though.

4wheeldrift
07-09-2003, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by Hollywood
Est price in CAD? Haven't seen anything yet. They go for about $46k Australian, but thats not a terribly reliable indicator, since they have such heavy taxes on cars there.

benyl
07-09-2003, 09:58 PM
HAHA, this car is such a joke in the styling department. It is recycled so many times!!!

It started as the Opel Omega in the early 90s in Europe. Then they imported to Oz in the mid ninties and called it the commodore... Now they are bringing it to north america!!!

:rofl:

sxtasy
07-09-2003, 10:02 PM
GM owns Holden. The GTO wont be in canada until model year 2005. So it should be here around this time next year. Performance wise it sounds fairly impressive (pending the price is reasonable). It is too bad that the car is based on a platform designed for another car. The GTO should be original, and as for the looks :rolleyes: It looks like a Grand Prix/Cavalier...needs to be more aggresive. But then again Pontiac has not come out with the best looking cars lately. Think AZTEK :barf:

NickGT
07-09-2003, 11:14 PM
didnt most if not all GTO's have hood scoops... they bring it back, and no hood scoop. Boo :thumbsdow Looks like a cavalier in my opinion too.

FiveFreshFish
07-10-2003, 12:52 AM
True 2 + 2 bucket seating

They list this as a feature? Most cars these days don't have bench seats anymore. Haven't seen the term "bucket seating" in a long time.

ecstasy_civic
07-10-2003, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by FiveFreshFish


They list this as a feature? Most cars these days don't have bench seats anymore. Haven't seen the term "bucket seating" in a long time.

there reviving the "old school" style lol

4wheeldrift
07-10-2003, 06:42 AM
Originally posted by FiveFreshFish


They list this as a feature? Most cars these days don't have bench seats anymore. Haven't seen the term "bucket seating" in a long time. Because it has bucket seats in both rows, something that is very uncommon.

Gripenfelter
07-10-2003, 07:31 AM
The price will be comparable to the BMW 3 series.

$35,000 u.s. or approx $40,000-45,000 cdn.

Hollywood
07-10-2003, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Gripenfelter
The price will be comparable to the BMW 3 series.

$35,000 u.s. or approx $40,000-45,000 cdn.

LOL, they can keep it for that much considering a neon srt-4 will likely be able to beat it!

Plus for that much might as well splurge for the corvette or svt cobra if someone wants american muscle.

Abom
07-10-2003, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by Hollywood
LOL, they can keep it for that much considering a neon srt-4 will likely be able to beat it!


Wonder how fast this GTO will be.

dunnas
07-10-2003, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by Pete92SL
hmm, also known as the HSV down under.

Pete

I'm an Aussie that saw this thread through a link from another forum and had to register to correct the crazy ammount of incorrect information that people are throwing around in here.

For starters, the GTO is based off of the Holden Monaro CV8 (it is not based of a HSV coupe) but has a slightly modded engine to take the power from 315 to 350hp. On top of this the car has been made much uglier than it's holden brother so it fits in with the rest of the ugly pontiacs you have over there. That's the only reason you think it looks like anything else. This is what the car looks like before being americanised.

dunnas
07-11-2003, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by Gripenfelter
With 350hp they're estimating 1/4 mile times in the very low 13s/high 12s.

I'm guessing around the weight of a Grand Prix GTP.

Well "they" are obviously all complete idiots then. I flicked through a new car mag that just came out earlier today in which they had a test between the 400hp HSV GTS coupe and a 500Hp CSV Coupe which is from anohter australian tuner. The 500hp version did the 1/4 in 13.11 from memory and the GTS in about 13.3-13.4. For your GTO I would say you are looking at between 13.6-13.9 and the mid 5's 0-60 should be about right. Then again performance times always vary a lot between Aus and US times so it will be interesting to see how it performs over there.

The weight of the Monaro in Australia is approximately 3600lbs. I can't see it being any lighter in GTO form.

dunnas
07-11-2003, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by Gripenfelter
The GTO is actually aimed to be competition for the BMW M5.

It is NOT replacing the Camaro/Firebird.

ummmm, NO!!

HSV GTS aims in the M5 direction at half the price as far as performance goes. A warmed over monaro doesn't really aim at the germans at all.

dunnas
07-11-2003, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by benyl
HAHA, this car is such a joke in the styling department. It is recycled so many times!!!

It started as the Opel Omega in the early 90s in Europe. Then they imported to Oz in the mid ninties and called it the commodore... Now they are bringing it to north america!!!

:rofl:

Really, they imported this here coupe into Australia in the early 90's and called it a commodore did they. Looks like I must have been living in bizzaro Australia because i don't recall anything like this having happened.

You wouldn't be getting the monaro confused with the Calibra by any chance would you.

http://www.opel.kiev.ua/images/pics/calibra.jpg

BTW, you do know that the GTO is actually going to be imported from australia. Wouldnt' make much sense for us to import a european car and then export it to the US. :nut:

The Monaro (GTO) is a coupe based off the holden Commodore sedan and was released in Australia about 18 months ago. The commodore, and thus the monaro (GTO) is it's own vehicle and has nothing to do with with any of the european Vauxhalls or Opels and is buitl here in Australia, just like the 18,000 GTO's a year eill be. The monaro (GTO) is a large car and is a real 4 seater with plenty of legroom in the rear for adult passengers who are seated in 2 individual bucket seats.

YCB
07-11-2003, 12:35 AM
dunnas is a genius!!

dunnas
07-11-2003, 12:37 AM
Originally posted by YCB
dunnas is a genius!!

Like there's anybody on this planet that didn't already know that. :thumbsup:

Gripenfelter
07-11-2003, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by dunnas


Well "they" are obviously all complete idiots then. I flicked through a new car mag that just came out earlier today in which they had a test between the 400hp HSV GTS coupe and a 500Hp CSV Coupe which is from anohter australian tuner. The 500hp version did the 1/4 in 13.11 from memory and the GTS in about 13.3-13.4. For your GTO I would say you are looking at between 13.6-13.9 and the mid 5's 0-60 should be about right. Then again performance times always vary a lot between Aus and US times so it will be interesting to see how it performs over there.

The weight of the Monaro in Australia is approximately 3600lbs. I can't see it being any lighter in GTO form.

The one they tested here in the states ran low 13s.

Here's the article:

http://www.geetotiger.com/'04%20GTO%20Drive.htm

Here are the key quotes from the article:

"Bring on the Mustang Cobras, the Chrysler Hemis, the popular priced BMWs and even the Motor Trend Car of the Year Infinity G35! There ain't nothing within $20,000 of this car that's going to match its performance."

Based on his years of testing and being behind the wheel of much muscle, Wangers felt that with a practiced foot and a stickier tire the car he drove could run a 0-60 MPH in the low 5 seconds range and is capable of dipping into the high 12s at maybe 107 MPH. And with slicks?

googe
07-12-2003, 12:04 PM
Sort of a let down. Maybe we are being too hard on it because of how good it was last time it came around.

If we were not exposed to the original GTO, we would probably have more respect for this one.

I agree with the guy that said GTO is supposed to bring fear to the strip. Ah well :)

dj_honda
07-12-2003, 10:45 PM
pics of 2002 holden commodore

http://www.vxss.com/

much nicer than gto imo

Ferio_vti
07-12-2003, 11:14 PM
Sounds good under the engine. But it looks too much like every other Pontiac, nothing outstanding or eye catching.

Gripenfelter
07-13-2003, 12:52 PM
Here's some more info on it:

It will have a different camshaft than the regular LS1 which will give it 20 more lb ft of torque. They aren't going to release the info on how much more horsepower it will have. They are purposely under-rating it like they underrated the LS1s at 305hp in 1998 by saying it will "only" have 350hp.

EDIT: 20 lb.ft of torque from new cam.

P. Daddy Pedro
07-13-2003, 08:51 PM
hey man 350 horses! who cares, this thing would pull up to most riced out civics and preludes, and they would think "yay another grand prix to kill " then they'd be surprised when their "powerful" 4 banger, cant even see the car anymore, let alone keep up! Props to the GTO finally a quality vehicle, that isn't an import for a change!

aussie_chopper
07-13-2003, 09:37 PM
hi, heres the holden monaro down here in australia, personally i think they are one of the best australian cars going around.

heres the monaro:
http://www.rapidcars.com/images/holdenmonaro2.jpg
http://www.rapidcars.com/images/holdenmonaro.jpg
http://www.matts-stuff.com/images/cars/Holden/2002_holden_monaro_interior.jpg
http://www.rapidcars.com/images/yellmanaro.jpg
http://speedycars.chinacars.com/wallpaper2/holden/Holden%20Monaro%20CV8%202001%20-%20039.jpg

benyl
07-13-2003, 11:41 PM
http://www.thehollywoodextra.com/GM/omega.jpg

STEP 1: 1993, the new, redesigned Opel Omega comes out in Europe. A classic, conservative design intended to compete with Mercedes and BMW in its home market. A very tough job. Opel has been trying for years with previous generations without much success...

http://www.thehollywoodextra.com/GM/catera.jpg

STEP 2: 1997, GM decides Cadillac needs to compete better with imports. But doesn't want to spend the money on an all new design right away. So let's bring over the big Opel to make a small Cadillac.
But it takes more than a new grille and lights to make a Cadillac...

http://www.thehollywoodextra.com/GM/commodore.jpg

STEP 3: At around the same time, GM's Australian division since 1931, Holden, gets their own version of the Opel, they call it the Commodore. Nothing new there. Holden has been selling warmed up Opels for decades. Notice it only takes wheels and bumpers to design all these "new" cars

http://www.thehollywoodextra.com/GM/monaro.jpg

STEP 4: 2001. There it is! The 2 door version of the Commodore: the new Monaro. A better looking as sportier car than the sedan. Mr Lutz loves it and decides to bring it over to the US as the next GTO. A fairly easy , quick and cheap thing to do...



http://www.thehollywoodextra.com/GM/gto1.jpg


Seems rather similar to me...

http://www.thehollywoodextra.com/GM/gm.html#pontiac%20gto

Toms-Celica
07-14-2003, 10:47 AM
Geese you guy's need to relax. Heres some news that will let you sleep better at night: This car is not being brought to Canada as it did'nt meet bumper standards.

Gripenfelter
07-14-2003, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by Toms-Celica
Geese you guy's need to relax. Heres some news that will let you sleep better at night: This car is not being brought to Canada as it did'nt meet bumper standards.

It will be here for 2005. It will be in the states for 2004.

Toms-Celica
07-14-2003, 03:35 PM
Good, personally I love this car :drool:

Split Mafia
08-01-2003, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by sxtasy
It is too bad that the car is based on a platform designed for another car. The GTO should be original,


maybe youve forgotten the original gto, might i remind you that the gto was based on another car's platform, the Tempest LeMans.;)

Hakkola
08-01-2003, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by Gripenfelter
The GTO is actually aimed to be competition for the BMW M5. :confused:

I hope you mean M3, even then it looks like it falls short.

YCB
08-01-2003, 06:06 PM
thanks for bringnin up a dead thread :thumbsup: