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natejj
10-14-2007, 04:34 PM
Thinking about getting my Finance Degree.... The one at MRC is called Bachelor of Applied Financial Services, while U of C has Bachelor of Commerce.

Is there a difference? Anyone taken either of these, and can input?

Career wise, leaning towards Financial advisor, or advising people/companies on investments

Oh yeah, and my High School average is about... 76%? I saw the cut off for the Haskayne was 80% last year.... does that mean NO ONE under 80 got in? Thanks.

ashee
10-14-2007, 04:38 PM
With that average you might not be able to get into Haskayne... depends what you got in specfic classes though because U of C doesn't look at all of your grades just ones that they require for the program.

...and there is a difference between the 2 programs but I'm not 100% on the details so I'll let someone who knows answer that part...

bluetek
10-14-2007, 04:43 PM
The applied part means there is two designated semesters towards work experience. Meaning for two out of the eight semesters you apply to work with companies to gain experience and to apply your education to a job in finance.

Other than that and maybe some courses here and there I can't see the two degrees being much different.

Weapon_R
10-14-2007, 04:46 PM
Yes, there is a difference. UofC trumps any 'applied' degree or diploma you will get, and real world experience reinforces this. UofC haskayne grads get the top jobs.

natejj
10-14-2007, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by Weapon_R
Yes, there is a difference. UofC trumps any 'applied' degree or diploma you will get, and real world experience reinforces this. UofC haskayne grads get the top jobs.

So basically, invest the 1000 dollars retaking a couple high school courses online, go to U of C, pays of in the long run?

ashee
10-14-2007, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by natejj


So basically, invest the 1000 dollars retaking a couple high school courses online, go to U of C, pays of in the long run?

Yes.

Weapon_R
10-14-2007, 04:55 PM
If you have the opportunity, absolutely.

natejj
10-14-2007, 05:02 PM
Thanks. Know of any other institutions other then Chinook College that offer high school courses via online?

sabad66
10-14-2007, 05:09 PM
You don't really need to do that..Just get into a faculty like economics or something and then just take the all the "business" courses you can and just transfer in. Most of the courses are really similar anyways and u might be 3 courses behind at most by the time it is time transfer. The problem with this is that you need to maintain a higher gpa.

Pacman
10-14-2007, 05:13 PM
The difference in "schooling" for both programs will be negligible....with a slight edge going to UofC. Many of the courses will probably have the same content and some of the profs will teach at UofC, SAIT and MRC.

The UofC business program used to have a great reputation...then it started to slide for a many years and they have been slowly building it up again. They still have insane GPA entrance requirements which are not directly correlated to the quality of education you will receive.

As said in other posts, the UofC degree will provide many more opportunities later in life when compared with other business diplomas/applied degrees. You will get more job interviews, higher salary, better work opportunities and the ability to expand on your education with an MBA or other graduate degrees.

I did my finance degree at UofC, but didn't go to work in the finance industry, so I can't comment from personal experience how much weight it holds when competing for jobs with other universities such as UofT, Western and Queens.

Although it may not be fair, the top MRC business student will probably come second in every job interview to the UofC BComm grad with the worst marks in the faculty.

ashee
10-15-2007, 11:15 AM
The admission requirements are set by the people that apply each year, if their averages happen to be higher than the last then that sets the bar higher for that year...

7thgenvic
10-15-2007, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by Pacman


I did my finance degree at UofC, but didn't go to work in the finance industry, so I can't comment from personal experience how much weight it holds when competing for jobs with other universities such as UofT, Western and Queens.



thats not true at all. all the interview in the country for i-banking were for all graduates from accross the country. There was a fair representation from accross the country for these jobs. I don't get exactly what you were getting at. But i can't say that i've ever met a person with their "applied degree" from MRC in any of these interviews...

Godfuader
10-15-2007, 12:06 PM
Alright, lets clear out some of the misconception about the Applied Degree at MRC. I am an alumni from the Bachelor of Applied Financial Services program. If the direction you are aiming for is financial planning related...then MRC wins hands down. If you are looking at anything else in the financial world, then a B.Comm is far greater.

The great thing about the MRC program is that you get fully setup for a CFP: Certified Financial Planner designation, as in you do the actual CFP exams as mandatory. Secondly, you are setup for the CSC: Canadian Securities Course, as in you are registered for CSC...get full classroom instruction and have the option of writing the actual CSC exams. Another great feature of the program is that you have two semesters (4mths x 2) of Directed Field Studies. Theses two semester you work in a finance field...I have classmates doing everything from Personal banking, Commercial banking/lending, Investment specialist, various jobs with the Securities commission, Insurance agencies, Financial Planners, etc. Conveniently, the 2 DFS semesters are your final semesters at the college...so you can continue working for the same company if you choose.

In general, a real selling factor for MRC was the newer facility, small class sizes, finest eye candy around, faculty that are actual industry professionals and rely on real life learning versus memorizing text books.

This whole notion of applied degree being useless is BS. I have never had any, or heard of any, issues with having the MRC applied degree. It falls in the same league as uni grads for the above mentioned type of jobs...as a matter of fact, all interviewers were quite surprised at MRC grads having CFP, CSC and a Bachelors when applying for a job. Still you have to keep in mind that a B.Comm can get you into grad school much easier than an applied degree...if grad school was your direction.

cressida_pimpin
10-19-2007, 06:14 PM
Do a B.Comm. It opens more doors and will ensure that you never run into a glass ceiling. If you can't get into UofC, there are other schools to consider. On the other hand it would be cheaper if you just upgraded some high school courses and got into UofC.

University Degree > College Anything

5hift
10-19-2007, 06:34 PM
B.Comm at UofC is the much better choice than the similar at MRC

Sabad66's idea is good if you dont want to waste a year. Mid 70s will easily get you into another program. Pick courses you'd be taking in commerce anyways and just make sure your gpa is above 3.3 and transfer after you've done the min required number of courses.

Or you can just find another school. I didnt want to waste another year or go into a different program trying to get in to Haskayne, so I just went to UofL.

cressida_pimpin
10-21-2007, 10:36 AM
Thats a good idea to transfer. But you have to play worse case scenario too. What if you try your best and don't get a 3.3 GPA, then you've really wasted some time and money

5hift
10-21-2007, 11:04 AM
^^
Not really. If he cannot maintain a 3.3 gpa in first/second year classes which are considerably easier, he probably wouldnt last in 3rd and 4th years even if the standards were lower and he could get in.

There are also Management/Commerce faculties at UofL, UofS and UBC Kelowna that all are much easier to get into and should be considered.

IMO doing highschool courses again is a waste of time. You would be better off either applying to a different uni, or if you really want to stay in Calgary, apply to a easier faculty, take 2 years of commerce related courses in that different faculty while maintaining a good gpa. Then transfer into Haskayne in year 3. This last thing is exactly what my little sister did and she is now in year 3 without having wasted any time (she also seemed to be like you grade wise... smart but never really tried in highschool, once she hit uni, got her act together and will probably be done commerce before me).

What ever you do, get on it fast. I know UofL has already been accepting applications for Fall 08 Commerce so I'm guessing other uni's are the same.

Pahnda
10-21-2007, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by 5hift

Not really. If he cannot maintain a 3.3 gpa in first/second year classes which are considerably easier, he probably wouldnt last in 3rd and 4th years even if the standards were lower and he could get in.
Actually, if you look at the requirements of haskayne for a 3rd year transfer it's just a 3.00. That's apparently the 'average' of admittance, which seems a bit low so I would treat it more as a cutoff. If you have above a 3.00 transferring in to 3rd year you should be able to find a spot but may have to buckle down and work your ass off if you want to keep your marks up if you're already struggling with junior courses.

For 1st year admittance the 'average' (or, well, cutoff) has been 3.00+80% lately. The +80% means that if you are using any high school courses to get in, you'll need the 80% avg in the courses used plus a 3.00 from the university. If you really wanted to get down to it, you could take a few courses, stay above a 3.00 (as high as possible to avoid not getting in due to a strong year or something) in the courses and use only your courses above 80% from high school. That would require finding out exactly how many courses you can cover up with university courses or if they'll look at all of them regardless of the university courses you took. If the latter is the case then maybe your best bet is to transfer into 3rd year.

I'm not in Haskayne (actually in engg) but I know a lot of people in Haskayne and sometimes you don't really need the marks they say you need to get in, it all depends on who applies that year, which no statistics on their website can predict for you. Plus they've been getting more funding lately so I expect they're using it to create more spots for potential students to at least keep their admittance averages around the same value.

Hope that helps!

rawsensation
10-21-2007, 05:42 PM
how does the U of L compare to MRC and U of C? i'm also in the same situation i'm doin my first year at MRC for Bachelor of Applied Financial Services but still wondering if i should opt out and switch to U of C or U of L through sait?

pinoyhero
10-21-2007, 05:58 PM
If you can I'd go withthe UofC commerce degree although the MRC program might be better suited to your current career aspirations it will limit your potential and who knows ... maybe you'll be after something different 4 years from now.

dezmarez
10-21-2007, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by Weapon_R
Yes, there is a difference. UofC trumps any 'applied' degree or diploma you will get, and real world experience reinforces this. UofC haskayne grads get the top jobs.

haha are you kidding me??
im in my third year in the "applied" degree at MRC right now
im going to have my Canadian Securities by the end of this year
im going to be set up to take my CFP exam in 6 months if i want to

and like the guy said before if u want to go into planning and an FA role then i guess UofC is better because you can go for your MBA

however im in this program as we speak and we get taught by industry people they tell you how it really is

you get panels coming into your classes telling about the oppurtunities students at mrc have

if u wanna believe these guys that haskayne grabs the top jobs thats fine
but im telling you, ur walking out of the mrc program with the experience that employers will have
the finance industry isnt like engineering,
your main role is to build relationships in the industry and at the end of the day the most important thing is your ability to deal with people and build good relationships
with the mrc program you will walk out with your CSC, a degree in financial services, and set up to get your CFP....and if your just entering into the program now, you may be there for when the program becomes university status and you will maybe be able to get a university degree
plus smaller classrooms more one on one time!!

three.eighteen.
10-21-2007, 06:51 PM
while what you say is true dezmarez, try applying for a job at goldman sachs or any other huge investment firm. with a mrc applied finance degree you don't get a shot vs the bcomm grads...

Canmorite
10-21-2007, 06:58 PM
Just for clarification SAIT's finance program teaches you the CSC (and you do the exams on site) and the course material for the CFP (CFP exam off site).

dezmarez
10-21-2007, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by three.eighteen.
while what you say is true dezmarez, try applying for a job at goldman sachs or any other huge investment firm. with a mrc applied finance degree you don't get a shot vs the bcomm grads...


ya but again in the finance industry
i really believe a job is not solely based on which degree you have
thats the beauty of the industry
you dont have to be the genius to get paid the big bucks

Pahnda
10-21-2007, 09:14 PM
dezmarez, I think the point people are trying to say is that while MRC will most likely land you a job, it's going to be an uphill battle with promotions and moving up the corporate ladder.

Also, there are many different avenues in the financing field, and I don't know how Haskayne and MRC differ, but corporate financing and planning, risk management financing, and other jobs more along the line of bordering management will be looking for people with backgrounds in the broad aspects of the business world, not just financing itself.

It's up to the individual what they want, if you really love financing and don't see yourself being happy in a mangerial position later on, I think MRC would be a fine fit for that type of person. However, if they have aspirations of moving to a slightly different field to test the waters there, or moving up significantly easier, I think that perhaps a broader BComm at Haskayne may be a good route.

I like to maintain that there are not really any bad schools, given that there is a governing body external to the school, regulating the entrants to the field such as APEGGA, association of accountants, etc. There are just different routes for different people with different desires.

rawsensation
10-22-2007, 10:03 PM
does anyone know if you can do your finance degree throu MRC? or how to do it through sait?? cause i thinking of switching out of the applied degree program now and getting a Bcomm

91_Integz
10-23-2007, 12:52 PM
I have also graduated with the Financial Services Applied Degree from Mount Royal, and I agree with EVERYTHING Godfuader has said above.

The finance industry is alot different from most other industry. Experience, and DESIGNATIONS trump any university degree. If your aspiration is to become a FINANCIAL PLANNER, MRC is the way to go. You come out SO far ahead of those coming out with their BCOMM Finance degrees.

As mentioned above, you study and write all your exams for the CFP designation DURING the program. If you get a BCOMM, you have 4 years of classroom, then ANOTHER 2 years to get your 4 core CFP courses and CSC, and even then you still have ZERO work experience.

7thgenvic
10-27-2007, 02:19 AM
Originally posted by 91_Integz
I have also graduated with the Financial Services Applied Degree from Mount Royal, and I agree with EVERYTHING Godfuader has said above.

The finance industry is alot different from most other industry. Experience, and DESIGNATIONS trump any university degree. If your aspiration is to become a FINANCIAL PLANNER, MRC is the way to go. You come out SO far ahead of those coming out with their BCOMM Finance degrees.

As mentioned above, you study and write all your exams for the CFP designation DURING the program. If you get a BCOMM, you have 4 years of classroom, then ANOTHER 2 years to get your 4 core CFP courses and CSC, and even then you still have ZERO work experience.

humm, this is all funny to me. i didn't see any people with their MRC applied degree at any of the investment banking interviews i had in Toronto or calgary....weird...CSC i wrote with a good 2 hours of studying. it was a good joke :)

I'll be happy once i get my CFA level II :)

AndrewMZ3
10-27-2007, 11:44 AM
The CSC should seriously not be a selling point with MRC. The CSC is a joke if you've even taken the introductory finance course at UofC.

Also, does an applied degree even qualify for the CFA entrance requirements?

If you can, go for the BComm. Although you think you may want to be a FA at this point, when you decide that you're not happy with it, the BComm will help you move into another field. Do you even need post secondary education to become a FA at a bank? The one's I've dealt with in the past didn't exactly appear to be that knowledgeable. I always thought FA's were just tellers that worked there since highschool and convinced the branch that they could move into a new role.

Godfuader
10-27-2007, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by 7thgenvic

But i can't say that i've ever met a person with their "applied degree" from MRC in any of these interviews...


Originally posted by three.eighteen.
while what you say is true dezmarez, try applying for a job at goldman sachs or any other huge investment firm. with a mrc applied finance degree you don't get a shot vs the bcomm grads...


Originally posted by 7thgenvic


humm, this is all funny to me. i didn't see any people with their MRC applied degree at any of the investment banking interviews i had in Toronto or calgary

Typical MRC grads tend not to go for i-banking or apply at companies such as GS. A typical MRC Finance grad class is like 15...compare that to a university grad class. The direction you take completely depends on your willingness. Currently in my department i work with 7 others....all of them UofC B.Comm grads, and they are on the same playing level as me. You can progress yourself very easily with experience. For example, a teller can easily work up to being a lender, who can move upto FA, who can work their way into local investment firms like Nesbitt Burns. If you are willing to prove yourself and have experience, why would a top notch investment firms not want you.

You think walking into GS with a B.Comm will bring them to their knees begging you to work for them. These companies tend to value experience and exposure far more than what you learned in a classroom. I have had my degree reviewed by people involved with these organizations and all of them say that as long as you have an excellent understanding of the industry...you are applicable. When I say involved people I am referring to a guest lecturer at GS, a senior global securities vp from HSBC and a relative who has worked for Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley. One thing i am certain of is that I have yet to hear a MRC grad complain about having an "Applied Degree". In relative terms, a good photographer is not the one with the fancy , and theoretically better, equipment...its the one who has the applied experience.
:drama:

gohan_bcc
10-27-2007, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by Godfuader






Typical MRC grads tend not to go for i-banking or apply at companies such as GS. A typical MRC Finance grad class is like 15...compare that to a university grad class. The direction you take completely depends on your willingness. Currently in my department i work with 7 others....all of them UofC B.Comm grads, and they are on the same playing level as me. You can progress yourself very easily with experience. For example, a teller can easily work up to being a lender, who can move upto FA, who can work their way into local investment firms like Nesbitt Burns. If you are willing to prove yourself and have experience, why would a top notch investment firms not want you.

You think walking into GS with a B.Comm will bring them to their knees begging you to work for them. These companies tend to value experience and exposure far more than what you learned in a classroom. I have had my degree reviewed by people involved with these organizations and all of them say that as long as you have an excellent understanding of the industry...you are applicable. When I say involved people I am referring to a guest lecturer at GS, a senior global securities vp from HSBC and a relative who has worked for Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley. One thing i am certain of is that I have yet to hear a MRC grad complain about having an "Applied Degree". In relative terms, a good photographer is not the one with the fancy , and theoretically better, equipment...its the one who has the applied experience.
:drama:

So like what was stated before, your applied degree is no good when it comes to having the better 'finance' jobs. Which is focused around i-banking. I wouldnt really count the CSC as being something focused towards MRC as the majority of Finance majors at UofC I know are taking it/planning to take it. Its pretty much considered the norm.

Yes yes we all know experience is valuable. But for some reason it comes across that you think that people at UofC do dick all during their summer? No we dont think a bcomm makes them drop to your knees. Its the extracurriculars too (part of clubs, ICBC, CPMT) is the stuff that will set people apart. Along with the fact the majority also intend on taking their CFA. Heck people are so generalized in their perspective of 'finance'.
"You're in finance? So you're going to be a financial advisor working at a bank?" But like you said I guess, all depends on which 'direction' you wanna go.

Getting a job as an investment banker opens WAY more doors in your career than you would have going forward as an financial advisor. You learn way more working that job than you would be working as a financial advisor. No knock against financial advisors, but if someone wants to get their money 'managed', they're going to be better off doing it with someone whos been in i-banking. I know plenty of people who've left the ibanking career and have gotten together with a few people who run funds which requires way more analysis and a greater understanding than figuring out which way would be best for a couple to manage their money so they can apply for a mortgage
:rolleyes:

jdm_eg6
10-27-2007, 06:05 PM
100% guaranteed 76 wont get you in. its usually around 81 or 82.

Canmorite
10-27-2007, 06:27 PM
I see people saying the CSC is a joke, but the last class that went through at SAIT (About 25 of them) only 4 people passed.

You must all be in that top 16%. I've never written it, though.

Pahnda
10-27-2007, 06:37 PM
You could still try with a 76% given you have some good stuff to complement your education (IE. involved in after-school stuff, etc..). The posted marks on the admissions page regarding Haskayne that say 3.00 + 80% (for you, the only thing applicable is the 80%) are an average of 1st year admittance. You *could* get in with a 76%, you just have to hope a little to get in with a mark like that. I know people with slightly less than the engineering average who got in, and I know other people with slightly lower than the posted haskayne average that got in for first year.

However, if you want to be sure you will get admitted it's arguably easier to get in for 3rd year transfer. I say easier because of the pure percentage translation, for 3rd year transfer it's been sitting at 3.00 for a while, or 75% average. However, I can't stress enough that high school is MUCH easier than university. If you don't spend the time to study the material hard you will be outed by the many people who did spend the time, and it'll reflect in your marks. Also, profs don't have a vested interest in you passing like teachers in secondary school, so if you fail you're out on your ass. So it's up to you, I'm not sure if you can do a dual application, as in apply for haskayne but if you don't get in have them put you in another program. However, if you are able to do that, it makes the most sense to me to do, if you want to go to the U of C. Good luck :thumbsup:

riceboi
10-27-2007, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by 91_Integz
I have also graduated with the Financial Services Applied Degree from Mount Royal, and I agree with EVERYTHING Godfuader has said above.

The finance industry is alot different from most other industry. Experience, and DESIGNATIONS trump any university degree. If your aspiration is to become a FINANCIAL PLANNER, MRC is the way to go. You come out SO far ahead of those coming out with their BCOMM Finance degrees.

As mentioned above, you study and write all your exams for the CFP designation DURING the program. If you get a BCOMM, you have 4 years of classroom, then ANOTHER 2 years to get your 4 core CFP courses and CSC, and even then you still have ZERO work experience.

Guys, lets be realistic here, saying MRC is better than UofC is like say Engineering technology at Sait is better the Engineering at UofC. It's not true. There will be a salary ceiling that you will hit and to pass that you need a "real" degree. Secondly, most people who go to MRC or SAIT is because they didn't have the marks to go to UofC from highschool. Don't tell me you decided to go to MRC because you didn't like UofC's program.

Canmorite
10-27-2007, 09:32 PM
A lot of people go to SAIT or MRC before UofC so they can raise their marks and get in on 3rd year studies.

riceboi
10-28-2007, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by Canmorite
A lot of people go to SAIT or MRC before UofC so they can raise their marks and get in on 3rd year studies.

If they can make it to UofC as their first choice, would they still follow the path you mentioned?

Personally, I found SAIT or MRC courses are at least a level or two below UofC in terms of difficulty. Which explains the high marks and the reputation of the degrees/diplomas granted by these two institutions. Once, I took a sr. course at MRC and w/o much effort I ended with an A- . With the same effort, I'll be lucky to get a B/B- from the same course at UofC.

In real life there will be a small percentage of graduates from SAIT/MRC who will make alot more $$ than UofC grads. On the other hand, there is a high percentage of UofC grads who makes more than guys from MRC/SAIT.

My take is that it's a mistake to think the MRC degrees are just as good as UofC ones. If they're the same, all of us would go for MRC or SAIT, why bother with 4 yrs of struggling when you can get it done in 2/3 yrs w/ alot less of efforts.

Take a look at the credentials of all the CFOs/CEOs in the Fortune 500 companies and you understand.

Canmorite
10-28-2007, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by riceboi


If they can make it to UofC as their first choice, would they still follow the path you mentioned?


Very few do. I have a couple people in my class who didn't want the first 2 years 'experience' at UofC due to the huge class size and what not.

I plan on doing my two years at SAIT then going off to UofC if I can get in.

91_Integz
10-29-2007, 10:12 AM
I'm not sure why people keep bringing up the CSC as if it's the make of break feature when comparing UofC to MRC. It's not.

If you look at the ORIGINAL post he states - "Career wise, leaning towards Financial advisor, or advising people/companies on investments"

IF that is what you would like to do, the MRC program is a BETTER choice in terms of education for FINANCIAL PLANNING, but NOT finance in general.

I don't believe the intention was to knock the Bcomm program at UofC - and I actually chose MRC over UofC for this specific reason - I was in the Bcomm transfer program, and had the marks to easily continue at UofC, but opted not to because of the benefits offered by the MRC program.

natejj
10-30-2007, 05:45 PM
I am going to apply for U of C only I think. I realzied that I can use CTS courses to boost my high school average, so hopefully that helps. If I dont get into Businesss, I'll just go into Econ and take the same courses.

BBB.Bialowas
11-15-2007, 12:15 PM
u might get in with a 76...i had a 78 and i got accepted but decided to do geophysics instead
it says 80 but if u get early conditional acceptance with a 76 which happens alot...just keep a 76+ and ur good for haskayne..

urbannomad
11-15-2007, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by BBB.Bialowas
u might get in with a 76...i had a 78 and i got accepted but decided to do geophysics instead
it says 80 but if u get early conditional acceptance with a 76 which happens alot...just keep a 76+ and ur good for haskayne..

WTF! when did this happen? i had a 79 in the fall of 04...why are they so low now? ugh...this is pissing me off. :banghead:

spyce
11-15-2007, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by urbannomad


WTF! when did this happen? i had a 79 in the fall of 04...why are they so low now? ugh...this is pissing me off. :banghead:

i think its curved relative to the potential applicants
i would think its recommended that 80% is the 'safe' cut off
but if for one year they have applicants that arent as strong as previous years than they lower the cut off to get in :dunno:

BBB.Bialowas
11-15-2007, 06:23 PM
yeah i was shocked man like a 75 got u into business if u got early acceptance..
like this year fall07/winter08 seemed alot lower then past years...

another way u could do the business thing at u of c if u dont get in...
get into communication and culture with a 65+..
then take exactly the same courses as business students..
after ur 2nd year ask to change ur degree and everything will transfer kinda a loophole if u really wanna get into u of c right away

Pahnda
11-15-2007, 07:08 PM
Yeah, I think Haskayne has been putting a bunch of money towards paying profs and other things to open more seats for students to enter. = lower entrance requirements than how it was before. But that's a wild guess.

spyce
11-15-2007, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by BBB.Bialowas
yeah i was shocked man like a 75 got u into business if u got early acceptance..
like this year fall07/winter08 seemed alot lower then past years...

another way u could do the business thing at u of c if u dont get in...
get into communication and culture with a 65+..
then take exactly the same courses as business students..
after ur 2nd year ask to change ur degree and everything will transfer kinda a loophole if u really wanna get into u of c right away

not really a loophole
everyone who wants to get into business but cant usually does this. doesnt guarantee you get in
i heard you need roughly a 3.3 or 3.4 to transfer in most of the time. but like i said...that changes depending on the number of people wanting to get in and how many people haskayne wants to let transfer in

CCM Pro
11-16-2007, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by riceboi




Take a look at the credentials of all the CFOs/CEOs in the Fortune 500 companies and you understand.


With the exception of a few younger ones the majority of the CFO/CEO's come from a so called "real degree" as there weren't too many applied degrees and whatnot out there at that time don't forget...I am not arguing the point as you likely are correct, but that being said the business world is definitely changing from the old-school ways too

Mckenzie
11-16-2007, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by spyce


not really a loophole
everyone who wants to get into business but cant usually does this. doesnt guarantee you get in
i heard you need roughly a 3.3 or 3.4 to transfer in most of the time. but like i said...that changes depending on the number of people wanting to get in and how many people haskayne wants to let transfer in

The year I applied for university, the direct entrance went down to 76%...i had a 75.6%:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

So, I had to bust my ass off for 2 years to get a high GPA in communications and culture and then transfer over in my 3rd year. I made it with a 3.73 and guaranteed was 3.7. That year (3 years ago), it went down to a 3.45 for the cutoff.

However in all fairness, I am kinda happy that I had to bust myself to get into the program. Many of the people I knew who got in directly did very poorly on classes, failed some and a few were even kicked out of the faculty because they figured that because they were such hot shots in high school with their 85% avg. that they would be able to kick it in business school- not a chance!

There are some very tough classes there and the work requirements in the transfer program are quite rigorous. I guess it kinda prepared me for what to expect in 3rd and 4th year. I guess I saw the same for people coming from MRC...they had a tough time keeping up with the increased workload in 3rd and 4th (many saw their GPAs sawed in half...and dont forget about finance 317!!- the gauntlet of the B Comm.)

My .02

Off to the rat race now!!

riceboi
11-24-2007, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by CCM Pro



With the exception of a few younger ones the majority of the CFO/CEO's come from a so called "real degree" as there weren't too many applied degrees and whatnot out there at that time don't forget...I am not arguing the point as you likely are correct, but that being said the business world is definitely changing from the old-school ways too


To tell you the truth, in today's dynamic environment, the demand for credentials and degrees is much higher than ever before. Bay Street and Wall Street are the worst places to get a job without a recognized degree. This is why MBA and EMBA is such a big fuss for the last several years. Sadly enough, I don't even know the BComm degree at UofC is competitive or prestige enough to easily land a job there let alone colleges or tech schools degrees/diploma.