bling bling - C/F intercooler from Cobb Tuning

[l/l/rX]

This is a prototype Front mount intercooler kit.
CF end tanks and IC pipes!!

The CF pipes are about 1/2 the weight of aluminum.
The biggest advantage to this system is the thermal properties that Carbon has. It will keep the air from getting hotter as it exits the turbo, and it will keep it from heating up as it goes back into the engine bay.
The IC core is being tested right now, but from what the Engineers at Cobb said. It will hold as much boost as any other IC core.

This is a Premium Product, so the price will reflect it. This will be a great item for the serious Racers, and for people who are after the Bling factor.

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:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

i would buy if i was a baller.

discuss. opinions?

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

That's going to be some very baller equipment. I wonder how much the gains would be over a conventional IC. I'd love to see some dyno sheets

[Trini]

nice..will be good to see a review and dyno sheet when it is tested.

[MintRacer]

I'm pretty sure they dynoed this stuff in the R&D stages.

[l/l/rX]

Originally posted by MintRacer
I'm pretty sure they dynoed this stuff in the R&D stages.

its in the process of being tested right now. soo there are no dyno charts yet

[88CRX]

How would it dyno higher then regular intercooler?

Lighter, yes... but wouldn't that be all?

[rc2002]

I call BS. If anything, dyno numbers will be lower.

1.) Aluminum is already really light, so there's barely any weight savings.
2.) Aluminum conducts heat much better than carbon fibre. I doubt there'll be cooler air from using carbon fibre for the IC piping.

[Myers]

yea, does anyone know the properties to carbon fibre? from what i have learned aluminium is one of the best heat conductors. love to see dyno sheets for these

[buh_buh]

I don't see how CF can disperse heat better than aluminum either. I think if anything, I think you'll lose performance. It'll absorb more heat (being black) than a conventional intercooler when your driving around in the summer. An intercooler doesn't weigh that much to begin with, so with CF you'll save what, 5lbs?

[SpoonEK9@STRD]

Why would you need to disipate heat from the end tanks and piping? Its carbon so it doesnt retain ANY heat. The intercooler it self is aluminum, it will do the cooling. The carbon will reduce the chances of heat soaking everything.

If you were using the piping/end tanks for cooling.. they should put heat sinks on um

[b_t]

Originally posted by SpoonEK9@STRD
Why would you need to disipate heat from the end tanks and piping? Its carbon so it doesnt retain ANY heat. The intercooler it self is aluminum, it will do the cooling. The carbon will reduce the chances of heat soaking everything.

If you were using the piping/end tanks for cooling.. they should put heat sinks on um

That is it... the aluminum core does the cooling, the carbon fiber end tanks and piping prevent reheating

[speedracer]

Stainless steel is a poor thermal conductor as a well.

Only issue with CF pipes is what hapens when there is some twisting in the chassis :(

[SpoonEK9@STRD]

mmm, get some appropriate couplers... humped if need be.

[buh_buh]

Originally posted by SpoonEK9@STRD
Why would you need to disipate heat from the end tanks and piping? Its carbon so it doesnt retain ANY heat. The intercooler it self is aluminum, it will do the cooling. The carbon will reduce the chances of heat soaking everything.
Well, ideally, you can dissipate heat anywhere you can, and that includes the endtanks and piping. I'm going to assume that although aluminum does conduct heat better than carbon, but it also dissipates heat better than carbon. The cold aluminum endtanks and charge pipe on the cold side does cool the charge more (even if its just slightly more) than if the pipe wasn't cool at all (if it was made of carbon). I've never read a study that says carbon doesn't retain any heat, not that I've done lots of research on the properties of carbon (or any at all really). But in my experiences, nothing retains no heat at all. I typically try to avoid using anecdotal evidence, but in my experiences with carbon fibre, I find it does retain heat (lots of it), and it dissipates at a very slow rate.

I didn't realize it was just the endtanks and charge pipes that were made of carbon, I just assumed the entire thing was made of carbon, so you guys are right about the core doing the cooling.

[Supa Dexta]

Theres been tests I believe where a thin coat of black paint will not hurt performance of an intercooler.. I don't have the link, but it made mention of motorcycle engines, all air cooled bikes used to have engines with a thin layer of black...

[nikka]

:bigpimp: .

[witte reus]

I will go one better; those pipes aren't pure CF pipes at all! Look at the last foto, you can clearly see the aluminium inner lining of the pipe:thumbsdow

This thing looks nice but I'd rather spend my money on something else:nut:

[hellraiser456]

that would definitely be lighter..especially if you got the CF ic piping as well...if it was a decent price i'd go for it...cf wouldn't be bad at keeping the heat out of the air charge ethier

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by witte reus
I will go one better; those pipes aren't pure CF pipes at all! Look at the last foto, you can clearly see the aluminium inner lining of the pipe:thumbsdow

This thing looks nice but I'd rather spend my money on something else:nut:

Yep, I was wondering how much you could tighten the hose clamps on the charge piping before the CF cracked. But, since this whole thing is basically just a regular aluminum intercooler with a CF wrap, there probably won't be a problem. Unless the end tanks are pure CF...

[Revhard]

The end tanks are clearly all carbon, but how could the pipes be 1/2 the weight if there is aluminum inside?
This should work fine, just not sure if it will be any better.

[962 kid]

Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat


Yep, I was wondering how much you could tighten the hose clamps on the charge piping before the CF cracked. But, since this whole thing is basically just a regular aluminum intercooler with a CF wrap, there probably won't be a problem. Unless the end tanks are pure CF...


Originally posted by Revhard
The end tanks are clearly all carbon, but how could the pipes be 1/2 the weight if there is aluminum inside?
This should work fine, just not sure if it will be any better.

I'd be willing to bet that there is just a small aluminum sleeve inside the ends of the pipes for the reason BCS said... to stop the cf from flexing too much when clamped.

[Jason Lange]

Originally posted by 962 kid




I'd be willing to bet that there is just a small aluminum sleeve inside the ends of the pipes for the reason BCS said... to stop the cf from flexing too much when clamped.

I saw this stuff in person. The intercooler looked awesome and did not have aluminum inside the end tanks. The pipes did have aluminum inside. I don't think there is any advantage to using this stuff except that it looks nice.

[Mazstyle]

Originally posted by Trini
nice..will be good to see a review and dyno sheet when it is tested.

Man my CF hood made huge gains on the dyno, so this should as well.



Originally posted by richardchan2002
I call BS. If anything, dyno numbers will be lower.

1.) Aluminum is already really light, so there's barely any weight savings.
2.) Aluminum conducts heat much better than carbon fibre. I doubt there'll be cooler air from using carbon fibre for the IC piping.

Werd, the core is probably aluminum just painted black IMO, if the whole thing is CF it would be pointless since CF is an insulator.... Having the end tanks CF is bad enough

[Rui M]

WOW all this talk about heat and bla bla bla... R&D? lol, they made this stuff CF for one reason - BLING, Honestly, not even worth discussing this product performance wise. boost wise, of course carbon end takes will handle the same boost as aluminum, heck plastic end tanks will too.

[zachattack54]

Looks sweet. If I had a turbo car and the funds I would get one. Would be good to see if it is a good as the coneventional metal ones.

[BruceWayne]

Thats a sick intercooler:drool:

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by Mazstyle


Man my CF hood made huge gains on the dyno, so this should as well.

What a stupid comment, they're two totally different things.

[finboy]

anyone remember how well the end tanks held on to volvo/auid intercoolers? i'd be interested to see how well this would hold pressure before the end tanks blow off.

[doublepostwhore]

Originally posted by Eleanor


What a stupid comment, they're two totally different things.

he was being feticious you jackass. stay out of tech. you have no idea what you are talking about.

[YLW_DUB]

Originally posted by Mazstyle


Man my CF hood made huge gains on the dyno, so this should as well.




Werd, the core is probably aluminum just painted black IMO, if the whole thing is CF it would be pointless since CF is an insulator.... Having the end tanks CF is bad enough :rofl: bwhahahahahaha :rofl:

I really hope you are joking.