S2000 Still the Best!

[max_boost]

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=6846

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5th Place Audi TT Quattro
4th Place BMW Z4 3.0
3rd Place Porsche Boxster
2nd Place Nissan 350Z Touring
1st Place Honda S2000


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Highs: Sensual intensity right up there with grabbing a bare high-voltage wire, clutch and shifter as perfect together as Rogers and Astaire, cockpit fits like your favorite jeans.
Lows: Freeway cruising, and resisting the impulse to rip off nine-grand shifts in bursts of five.
The Verdict: A four-wheeler with crotch-rocket DNA.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Ben]

basically same outcome in this months "European Car"

[Redlyne_mr2]

Ive always loved the s2k, Im surprised the 350z convertible did as well as it did.

[Voodoo Child]

Yo Max_Boost!

I read the same article and now I need to know for myself how it feels! You gonna give me a ride at the next 403 meet?
I'll be there forsure if you do!

Lata

Nate Dogg:thumbsup:

[Woodson2]

Road and Track as well.

[rage2]

They're too scared to bring in the SLK 32 AMG into the comparison... their excuse? It's a new model next year (actually 2005) so they'll wait for the new one. :)

[CRXguy]

^^^^

Cry me a river!!! :tongue: :rofl:

[Dr. Evil]

MY list:

1st Place Honda S2000
2nd Place Porsche Boxster
3rd Place Nissan 350Z Touring (door handles slow it down)
4th Place Audi TT Quattro
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99th Place BMW Z4 3.0 (ugly)

[04blackMAX]

cough cough, midlife crisis car cough cough

you have black racing mitts to go alone with that, max?? hahahahahahahah please dont bann me again hahaha

[max_boost]

Originally posted by rage2
They're too scared to bring in the SLK 32 AMG into the comparison... their excuse? It's a new model next year (actually 2005) so they'll wait for the new one. :) I am surprised they didn't include the SLK 320 in the test, the 32 is unfair :tongue: haha

[rage2]

How is the 32 unfair? It costs about the same as the boxster! :).

It's only unfair cuz it kicks ass hehehe.

[max_boost]

Originally posted by rage2
How is the 32 unfair? It costs about the same as the boxster! :).

It's only unfair cuz it kicks ass hehehe.

But rage, this is not the Boxster S, just your regular Boxster:D

[girlRACER]

Originally posted by max_boost
I am surprised they didn't include the SLK 320 in the test, the 32 is unfair :tongue: haha

:werd:

[T5_X]

lol, poor audi tt, always coming in last :rofl:

[Hakkola]

Haha, Audi TT. I hope Ben reads this, I saw the Audi TT with the Cougar Plate and the hot chick getting in at my work, she looked like she was 30 MAX though. Looks like she put aftermarket rims on it.

[VWhooligan]

you're saying a mustang v6 can beat the s2000?

hahah a mustang v6 can't beat anything. haha

[rice_eater]

true but he has a point...the S2000 has as much torque as a stock neon! Otherwise great cars...

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by rice_eater
true but he has a point...the S2000 has as much torque as a stock neon! Otherwise great cars... learn about torque multiplying.

[Ben]

Originally posted by Hakkola
Haha, Audi TT. I hope Ben reads this, I saw the Audi TT with the Cougar Plate and the hot chick getting in at my work, she looked like she was 30 MAX though. Looks like she put aftermarket rims on it.


AH! My Sugarmomma!

hahahahah

Damn......:love:

[tommy1223]

i'm surprised that the Porshe ( made for performace ) and the BMW didnt come out on top. It could also be the driver too but HONDAS ALL THE WAY!!

[rage2]

Have you driven a base boxster? I would NOT call that a performance car :).

[rice_eater]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
learn about torque multiplying.

ok...explain

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by rage2
Have you driven a base boxster? I would NOT call that a performance car :). Rather underwhelming aren't they? Decent in the corners, but damn slow on the straights.

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by rice_eater


ok...explain the s2000 has short gearing which allows u to keep the revs high, where power is being made, and that means that u have more torque at the wheels, so the car can still accelerate quickly..

[fast95pony]

Bah ! My lug nuts still have more torque ! ;)

:D

[Ben]

Originally posted by 4wheeldrift
Rather underwhelming aren't they? Decent in the corners, but damn slow on the straights.

Well I know the old guy I took on deerfoot@douglasdale in my GTI was upset...my car is worth like 12 times less than his and he got walked on...pretty sad. Auto Base Boxster = Teh Suck

[rice_eater]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
the s2000 has short gearing which allows u to keep the revs high, where power is being made, and that means that u have more torque at the wheels, so the car can still accelerate quickly..

:rofl: so as long as you keep reving the shit out of it you'll be fine...just hope you dont hit any stop lights, intersections of traffic or plainly let off the throtle...like someone said here...

Horse power sells cars, torque gets you to the next light faster...

[Ben]

S2000 is an exceptional track car because you can drive it like you stole it out there. Extremely great chassis and excellent handeling charactoristics. On the street without hard driving, its basicaly your 16 second street car.

The Porsche Boxster used to be the great mid price track car a few years ago, but since the S2000 has arrived, faster, better handling (opinionated) and LOWER cost has it in a very good spot.

[4wheeldrift]

The Boxster S will outrun an S2000 pretty easily though. Its not the boxster chassis thats the problem, its the engines and trannys they are putting in the base models ones that make them such lackluster performers. The Boxster isn't a phenomenally fast car on the straights, even the S models, but neither is the S2000 IMO.

[max_boost]

I don't think any of you with the exception of rage2 have driven the S2000 before. You would be so surprised how well this car manoeuvres its way around the streets. Honda's have never been known for torque and its high revving nature is what makes the car so exciting to drive.

Anyway, it doesn't matter, enthusiasts agree, it is the number one roadster for $50K :D Nuff said!!!

[Zephyr]

MB when u gonna get the number 2 car? :rofl:

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by rice_eater


:rofl: so as long as you keep reving the shit out of it you'll be fine...just hope you dont hit any stop lights, intersections of traffic or plainly let off the throtle...like someone said here...

Horse power sells cars, torque gets you to the next light faster...

yea basically, to make it go fast, u need to rev it high. but why would u need to tear around at high revs on the streets anyway? theres a track in calgary u know. and u need to learn the difference between hp and tq. hp is tq multiplied by rpm, so u can make up for lack of torque with high revs. why do u think a car with 300hp/100lb-ft will be faster than a car with 100hp/300lb-ft? do u believe that a john deere tractor with 1500 lb-ft will get you to the next lgihts faster than an s2000 with 150 lb-ft?


Originally posted by max_boost
I don't think any of you with the exception of rage2 have driven the S2000 before. think again.

[rice_eater]

so if you do take it to the track then you have to start from low rpms! if you use the car for the track sure it'll handle amazingly but if you want to go straight you'll be waiting a while till you get to your 9000rpm...and for quarter miles i would take the 100hp/300ft pounds car over the 300/100...the way i see it it's kinda like running...horse power is how fast you can run....torque is what gets you to that top speed...so for around the streets where you dont wanna drive like mad what would you rather have? i prefer getting off the line fast and stopping at a reasonable speed, instead of waiting and waiting till the car gets in it's power range, by when the race is over and i can do a sweet fly by...all in all good car, and if they could work a little on the engine it would trully be an awesome machine...

[Ben]

If you look at F1 Cars, huge HP, low torque...

The S2000 is a great track car, but yes, for daily driving, my VW has roughly the same torque as a S2K. With that being said, its all going to come down to driving technique, keeping the car in the power band, and thats that.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by Ben
its all going to come down to driving technique, keeping the car in the power band, and thats that.
Exactly, watch an Option/Best motoring s2k vid sometime, the drivers downshift at crazy high rpms to keep the car in the power band, goes the same for a type r, NSX, hell any other honda

[max_boost]

Originally posted by rice_eater
so if you do take it to the track then you have to start from low rpms! if you use the car for the track sure it'll handle amazingly but if you want to go straight you'll be waiting a while till you get to your 9000rpm...and for quarter miles i would take the 100hp/300ft pounds car over the 300/100...the way i see it it's kinda like running...horse power is how fast you can run....torque is what gets you to that top speed...so for around the streets where you dont wanna drive like mad what would you rather have? i prefer getting off the line fast and stopping at a reasonable speed, instead of waiting and waiting till the car gets in it's power range, by when the race is over and i can do a sweet fly by...all in all good car, and if they could work a little on the engine it would trully be an awesome machine...

Suffeks with his 100hp 200llbs ft + torque TDI ran 17secs whereas a fellow S2K with his measly 200hp 100llbs ft torque ran 14.8. Just so you know, the 9000RPM is not an eternity. You guys make it sound like the S2K can't hold its own in a straight line or something. My buddy CRXguy who is locally recognized as so called 'madd skillz' got beat by me with no skills S2K vs. WRX, stock for stock.

[max_boost]

And again, opinions are just that, you guys have your own. But I'll repeat it one more time, editors, enthusiasts, car mags, whoever, agree on one thing, S2K is still the best hahahaha (except you torque lovers):poosie: :poosie: :poosie:

Ok I rest my case :D:poosie:

[CRXguy]

Originally posted by max_boost


Suffeks with his 100hp 200llbs ft + torque TDI ran 17secs whereas a fellow S2K with his measly 200hp 100llbs ft torque ran 14.8. Just so you know, the 9000RPM is not an eternity. You guys make it sound like the S2K can't hold its own in a straight line or something. My buddy CRXguy who is locally recognized as so called 'madd skillz' got beat by me with no skills S2K vs. WRX, stock for stock.

I bogged on the launch. Spyderman is my witness. :rofl:

I'll give my own opinion when MB let's me bag, I mean drive his car. :thumbsup:

[rage2]

Originally posted by rice_eater
so if you do take it to the track then you have to start from low rpms! if you use the car for the track sure it'll handle amazingly but if you want to go straight you'll be waiting a while till you get to your 9000rpm...
haha it's 1st gear man, it doesn't take THAT long, even with minimal TQ, to get up to redline in 1st in a S2000.


Originally posted by rice_eater
and for quarter miles i would take the 100hp/300ft pounds car over the 300/100...

And the 100hp car would lose to the 300hp car with low TQ, assuming weight is the same. Did you know an F1 car makes only 200ft/lbs of TQ? Yet it'll do 8's down the 1/4 mile on relaxed gearing (good for 220mph)...


Originally posted by rice_eater
the way i see it it's kinda like running...horse power is how fast you can run....torque is what gets you to that top speed...
You see wrong, sorry.

Check out these interesting posts I've made a while back...

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&postid=18133#post18133

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&postid=17976#post17976

[rage2]

Originally posted by max_boost
But rage, this is not the Boxster S, just your regular Boxster:D
With their 3 options on the base boxster, it added up to the price of an SLK 32 :).

[CRXguy]

i thought torque is what GETS you going, and horsepower is what KEEPS you going?????? :confused:

[Ben]

Driver skill has alot to do with it too...look at you in your CRX...low torque, but launch like a bastard! Having an approprate power band , gearing and keeping it in that range and the car will run optimal.

Once you are moving, and shifting properly, your always in the go zone...where torque and hp are working together for an optimum amount of time. Fall out of that zone and well, yeah, it takes some time and effort to get back into it.

[rage2]

Originally posted by CRXguy
i thought torque is what GETS you going, and horsepower is what KEEPS you going?????? :confused:
That's the marketing way of putting it... I got a really REALLY good URL describing this stuff... trying to find it :).

[rage2]

Alright, for those who think TQ gets you going, HP keeps it going, TQ wins street races, whatever... you have to understand what TQ is and what HP is.

http://ubermensch.org/Cars/Technical/hp-tq

Very nice explaination with examples (NSX vs 968) and why/how a lower TQ car with more HP can beat a high TQ car and lower HP in an all out drag race where TQ is supposed to be king. Here's a hint... TQ is king, but with better gearing on lower TQ cars over a wider RPM range (high RPM == HP) there's actually more TQ going to the ground :).

[CRXguy]

holy shit!! i haven't read that much since high school. :rofl:

definately a good read. :thumbsup:

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by rice_eater
so if you do take it to the track then you have to start from low rpms! if you use the car for the track sure it'll handle amazingly but if you want to go straight you'll be waiting a while till you get to your 9000rpm...and for quarter miles i would take the 100hp/300ft pounds car over the 300/100...the way i see it it's kinda like running...horse power is how fast you can run....torque is what gets you to that top speed...so for around the streets where you dont wanna drive like mad what would you rather have? i prefer getting off the line fast and stopping at a reasonable speed, instead of waiting and waiting till the car gets in it's power range, by when the race is over and i can do a sweet fly by...all in all good car, and if they could work a little on the engine it would trully be an awesome machine... actually u dont need to start from low rpms at all because of a thing called launching. and the s2k redlines before 9000rpm, u goon.

[max_boost]

Originally posted by rage2

With their 3 options on the base boxster, it added up to the price of an SLK 32 :). But the base boxster still has the base motor! I've driven with Kenny, it's no fun, he just takes off like I am standing still:rofl:

[CRXguy]

Originally posted by max_boost
I've driven with Kenny, it's no fun, he just takes off like I am standing still:rofl:

I've driven with rage, it's no fun, he just takes off like I am standing still. :rofl:

[rage2]

I've driven with both of you, it's no fun. I take off on you guys like you're standing still. :rofl:

[syeve]

Originally posted by rice_eater
so if you do take it to the track then you have to start from low rpms! if you use the car for the track sure it'll handle amazingly but if you want to go straight you'll be waiting a while till you get to your 9000rpm...and for quarter miles i would take the 100hp/300ft pounds car over the 300/100...the way i see it it's kinda like running...horse power is how fast you can run....torque is what gets you to that top speed...so for around the streets where you dont wanna drive like mad what would you rather have? i prefer getting off the line fast and stopping at a reasonable speed, instead of waiting and waiting till the car gets in it's power range, by when the race is over and i can do a sweet fly by...all in all good car, and if they could work a little on the engine it would trully be an awesome machine...


DUDE!!!!...you have to be kidding me...is any of the sinking in??? I think that you believe what you want to believe and have no intention of listening to anybody else...most of whom know a shit load more about cars than you...if you chose not to listen, then I emplore you to watch an F1 race and see if their 200foot/lbs of tourque slow them down...you go ahead and chose a 100 hp car over a 300 hp car and see what happens...its called tractor pulling!!! when you are racing someone...where do you shift? redline? just before? as soon as you engage the next gear...where are you rpms then? 2k? NO...

:thumbsdow

[rice_eater]

:zzz:

[rage2]

Originally posted by rice_eater
:zzz:
haha great to know you're willing to learn from your mistakes :).

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by syeve



DUDE!!!!...you have to be kidding me...is any of the sinking in??? I think that you believe what you want to believe and have no intention of listening to anybody else...most of whom know a shit load more about cars than you...if you chose not to listen, then I emplore you to watch an F1 race and see if their 200foot/lbs of tourque slow them down...you go ahead and chose a 100 hp car over a 300 hp car and see what happens...its called tractor pulling!!! when you are racing someone...where do you shift? redline? just before? as soon as you engage the next gear...where are you rpms then? 2k? NO...

:thumbsdow



Originally posted by rice_eater
:zzz:
owned!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[syeve]

Originally posted by rice_eater
:zzz:


meh...neon drivers...:rofl:

[rice_eater]

now that i tripple layerd my flame suit i'm gonna say that you can keep dreaming that the s2000 is anywhere close to an F1 car. The F1 cars weigh so little they dont need much torque to get them going. The reason the engine is tuned for peak horse power is coz all those cars do once they get going is drive like mad. You can tune the engine for peak hp or torquey bottom end. The best for every day use would probably be a balance of the two...but in ads you only hear about hp therefor the s2000 is a beast! Now flame away, the fire truck is on it's way....

[max_boost]

Originally posted by rice_eater
now that i tripple layerd my flame suit i'm gonna say that you can keep dreaming that the s2000 is anywhere close to an F1 car. The F1 cars weigh so little they dont need much torque to get them going. The reason the engine is tuned for peak horse power is coz all those cars do once they get going is drive like mad. You can tune the engine for peak hp or torquey bottom end. The best for every day use would probably be a balance of the two...but in ads you only hear about hp therefor the s2000 is a beast! Now flame away, the fire truck is on it's way.... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: And you forgot to add, it is a beast because Honda has paid millions to editors worldwide for this elusive title

[SilverStreak]

Originally posted by rice_eater
now that i tripple layerd my flame suit i'm gonna say that you can keep dreaming that the s2000 is anywhere close to an F1 car. The F1 cars weigh so little they dont need much torque to get them going. The reason the engine is tuned for peak horse power is coz all those cars do once they get going is drive like mad. You can tune the engine for peak hp or torquey bottom end. The best for every day use would probably be a balance of the two...but in ads you only hear about hp therefor the s2000 is a beast! Now flame away, the fire truck is on it's way....

You forget f1 cars turn 19000+ rpm. Also, nobody claimed the S2000 to be the best everyday car or daily driver. It is a purpose built track/canyon carving roadster. If you want torque go get yourself a Mustang GT or something. Oh wait, the S2000 can still beat a Mustang GT in a drag race, wow look what 153lbs of tq can do. Hopefully you've been educated as to how hp and torque and engine rpm work.

[Dirty_SOHC]

Bah my civic has more torque:rofl:

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by rice_eater
now that i tripple layerd my flame suit i'm gonna say that you can keep dreaming that the s2000 is anywhere close to an F1 car. The F1 cars weigh so little they dont need much torque to get them going. The reason the engine is tuned for peak horse power is coz all those cars do once they get going is drive like mad. You can tune the engine for peak hp or torquey bottom end. The best for every day use would probably be a balance of the two...but in ads you only hear about hp therefor the s2000 is a beast! Now flame away, the fire truck is on it's way.... actually, u would have a hard time finding another 2.0L gas engine that puts out over 150 lb-ft..

[CRXguy]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
actually, u would have a hard time finding another 2.0L gas engine that puts out over 150 lb-ft..

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[Ebbsvette]

haha...well...this is why we invented muscle cars.....lots of hp and crazy tq....gotta love us muscle heads...hehe....now all we gotta do is get this weight thing down...hahaha

[Dirty_SOHC]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
actually, u would have a hard time finding another 2.0L gas engine that puts out over 150 lb-ft..
<----------------:confused: :rofl:

1.6L sohc

[Ben]

those are boosted motors, haha

[sml]

Originally posted by CRXguy


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I think he meant N/A 2L engines... :rofl:

[max_boost]

Originally posted by sml


I think he meant N/A 2L engines... :rofl: Only reason why those two posted is because they both smoked a S2K in a closed circuit sprint:confused: :rofl:

[CRXguy]

LOL

Still waiting for a top end run!!! ;) :rofl:

[boi-alien]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
actually, u would have a hard time finding another 2.0L gas engine that puts out over 150 lb-ft..
from my numbers on dyno day, i'd have to say i'm making about that much tq.... in a 1.8L :D

[GTS Jeff]

FAGS!