2009 Dodge Challenger

[Destinova403]

Pricing details released. Press release attached. Orders start next week!

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/11/2008_dodge_challenger_srt8_sta.html

[sputnik]

I guess $38k USD is going to translate into $50k CAD

[Aleks]

It might not. Dodge priced the SRT-4 Caliber at 22.9 USD and 24.9 CAN recently.

[Tik-Tok]

Lol, I'm willing the bet the first few months, they'll be going for $50,000 USD.

[Xtrema]

I don't know, I think this is another Ford Thunderbird.

Compare to Mustang, it's TOO retro to be accepted outside the niche.

[benyl]

Originally posted by Xtrema
I don't know, I think this is another Ford Thunderbird.

Compare to Mustang, it's TOO retro to be accepted outside the niche.

I don't know about that.

The TB was $40K in 2002. It wasn't powerful, didn't handle as good as it could have, only came in convertible form...

I think this might do pretty well.

It is retro, but very modern as well
http://www.thetorquereport.com/08_challenger_3.jpg

[gpomp]

i'd buy a camaro over this.

[citylimits]

Originally posted by Destinova403
Pricing details released. Press release attached. Orders start next week!

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/11/2008_dodge_challenger_srt8_sta.html

I'm so pumped! Can't believe orders are starting already. Saw the same release on Redletterdodge.

What's everyone's favorite color? Mine's the HEMI orange..

[Destinova403]

here is the Comercial they are going to be opening up with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLVBz14f3yk

love the purple car... LOL

[sputnik]

Originally posted by Destinova403
here is the Comercial they are going to be opening up with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLVBz14f3yk

love the purple car... LOL

Thats not just "purple" its "Plumb Crazy Purple".

[Toms-SC]

Kick ass commercial. I'm sure it'll get heat for supporting street racing.

[nikka]

the challenger was cool 3 years ago when they announced it but i think its washed up as far as design goes.

[sputnik]

Originally posted by nikka
the challenger was cool 3 years ago when they announced it but i think its washed up as far as design goes.

Still looks better than the GT-R and 98% of whatever else is out there these days.

[NickGT]

Originally posted by Destinova403
here is the Comercial they are going to be opening up with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLVBz14f3yk

love the purple car... LOL

Haha same music as in the Mustang commercial. The challenger is gonna be awesome tho

HUIuS1Kdk_8

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by sputnik


Still looks better than the GT-R and 98% of whatever else is out there these days.

:werd:

[heavyD]

If you love cars, how can you not love the Challenger as well as the new Camaro?

[JAYMEZ]

I think this car will be sick!!!

[katana9x4]

I guess thats one mans opinion.

The GTR's looks are heavily influenced by aerodynamics... the design department could have done better though, I will admit.

However, it looks light years better than this Hot Wheels replica. My Maxima has bigger fender flares than this thing, whats with that?

Just like every other muscle car remake, this thing is giant and fat, completely lacking in any sort of imaginative contour or attractive lines. I guess to me it just looks like they made the car look to "simple" in an attempt to make it look "beefy" or something.

Thats just my opinion though.




Originally posted by sputnik


Still looks better than the GT-R and 98% of whatever else is out there these days.

[Deetz]

I saw this concept car at sema a month ago....thought it was kind of neat

http://www.nervsys.net/~tux/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9227&g2_serialNumber=2

[old&slow]

I like it! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Destinova403]

Originally posted by Deetz
I saw this concept car at sema a month ago....thought it was kind of neat

http://www.nervsys.net/~tux/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9227&g2_serialNumber=2

thats exactly what the charger should have been!

[Hollywood]

Originally posted by sputnik


Still looks better than the GT-R and 98% of whatever else is out there these days.

If I was in a game show and the host offered me both the challenger and the GT-R, I would stab him for asking me such a rediculous question. Challanger is half the car with the double the size as the GTR.


Originally posted by heavyD
If you love cars, how can you not love the Challenger as well as the new Camaro?

I dont mind the camero, but the challenger is ass.


Originally posted by JAYMEZ
I think this car will be sick!!!


I think this car is making me sick!!:barf: :barf: :barf:

[Destinova403]

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/12/2008_dodge_challenger_srt8_act.html

is it just me or is their little "gas guzzler tax" which the americans put on it absolutely huge.

[gpomp]

not as huge as the $4000 gas guzzler tax in canada.

[mark4091]

Love it.

[Darkane]

6.1 hemi with 6speed manual. This is base corvette power with an even cheaper price tag. Very interesting.

[gpomp]

Originally posted by Darkane
6.1 hemi with 6speed manual. This is base corvette power with an even cheaper price tag. Very interesting. too bad it'll be over 4000 lbs.

[BigMass]

Originally posted by gpomp
too bad it'll be over 4000 lbs.

lol that things looks like it weights 8000lbs and the wheels alone look like 100lb/ corner. What a porker. Im better 400hp with a 0-60 over 6 seconds lol

[citylimits]

Originally posted by Destinova403
here is the Comercial they are going to be opening up with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLVBz14f3yk

love the purple car... LOL

Thats a sweet commercial..I'll be looking out for it on TV. I really like that color too-- cant decide between that or the Hemi Orange...

[Destinova403]

Originally posted by citylimits


Thats a sweet commercial..I'll be looking out for it on TV. I really like that color too-- cant decide between that or the Hemi Orange...

yeah... cept if i got one id blacken it out!

[Destinova403]

more details on future models released...

6.4L V8 with around 500 HP :):)

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/12/more_details_on_the_upcoming_d.html

[Darkane]

Originally posted by gpomp
too bad it'll be over 4000 lbs.

Point well taken :D c6 ftw

[gpomp]

Originally posted by Darkane


Point well taken :D c6 ftw
here's to wishing that the camaro will come in under 3500 lbs.

[Destinova403]

ok so chrysler has decided to make 10,000 of the SRT-8s for 2008, 6,000 orders were recieved in the first 3 days!

first official teaser images released as well

so many nice little touches on the car, check out the pics.

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/12/dodge_sells_6000_challengers_i.html

EDIT: check out the teaser image of the Rims... wow those look mean.

[citylimits]

Originally posted by Destinova403
ok so chrysler has decided to make 10,000 of the SRT-8s for 2008, 6,000 orders were recieved in the first 3 days!

first official teaser images released as well

so many nice little touches on the car, check out the pics.

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/12/dodge_sells_6000_challengers_i.html

EDIT: check out the teaser image of the Rims... wow those look mean.

Yeah the rims look badass. Anyone seen this video?

http://www.redletterdodge.com/2007/11/30/part-3-challenger-designers-castiglione-and-barrington/

I like how they carved out the wheels to make them seem lighter.

[CappyMcSlappy]

I saw this post on AutoBlog the other day and thought it was pretty neat. The first batch of Challengers will be available in Orange, Black, and Grey... but on this site you can play around with a bunch of different colors:
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/08/paint-your-pre-production-dodge-challenger-now/

[sputnik]

Thats just a fan created app.

[funkedelic]

this car will look amazing in person

i wouldnt buy one but i can appreciate it!

[three.eighteen.]

it looks like they stopped trying after the front fenders

[Graham_A_M]

4000 pounds.... WOW. I'm surprised how much this car can boogie considering the wieght, I honestly wonder about the braking & handling at this point. They need to shave off a good 800 pounds before I'd be willing to take a serious look at that. I can't take this thing seriously wieghing THAT much.:nut:
but the original Challenger was a much bigger and heavier version of the Charger. So I shouldn't be surprised I guess


Seems more like a novelty and a nod to a more glorious time of Dodge's existance. This car *should* offer the same remarkible level of performance the original Challenger did. :dunno:

but I think asides from asinine amounts of potential HP, we all know it wont:(

[CappyMcSlappy]

Originally posted by Graham_A_M
4000 pounds.... WOW. I'm surprised how much this car can boogie considering the wieght, I honestly wonder about the braking & handling at this point. They need to shave off a good 800 pounds before I'd be willing to take a serious look at that. I can't take this thing seriously wieghing THAT much.:nut:
but the original Challenger was a much bigger and heavier version of the Charger. So I shouldn't be surprised I guess


Seems more like a novelty and a nod to a more glorious time of Dodge's existance. This car *should* offer the same remarkible level of performance the original Challenger did. :dunno:

but I think asides from asinine amounts of potential HP, we all know it wont:(


4000 lbs??? Where did you read that? I don't think the weight has been released yet. I've been interested in more specs like this but there is still a lot unknown. They have to come out with more information soon too since the Chicago auto show is coming up next month.

[Daan]

i'll take the engine

hold the rest

[BigBadBear]

Big hairy deal.
I put a deposit down 2 years ago for a 6.1L 6speed.
I haven't got a call yet as to when I can pick up my car.
Since all of the SRT8's are coming with the 5 speed auto-stick, I ain't holding my breath.
Besides 2-1/2 years of broken promises and general bullshit has a way of turning me off on the whole deal.

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by gpomp
too bad it'll be over 4000 lbs.

Source? Or are you just speculating?

I haven't seen anything about curb weights.

[mikestypes]

Originally posted by Eleanor


Source? Or are you just speculating?

I haven't seen anything about curb weights.

Since the car is essentially identical mechanically to the Charger, it should be very close to the Charger SRT8's weight of 4160 lbs.

[Graham_A_M]

^If this car is on the same platform as the Charger, I'll pass :rolleyes:

Eitherway this isn't looking very promising

[Destinova403]

well guys here it is. officially released

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2008/02/chicago_2008_2008_dodge_challe.html

[JRSC00LUDE]

I can almose guarantee that I'll eventually own one of those at some point.

The single biggest automotive regret of my life was passing on a nicely done 73 challenger, they've always been my favorite old mopar and with the retro-styling and as good or better performance than the original it's pretty much a win for me.

[treg50]

Originally posted by Destinova403
well guys here it is. officially released

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2008/02/chicago_2008_2008_dodge_challe.html

NICE! Love it, so clean and so nice.... this CAN'T be a Chrysler, lol! It's the first Chrysler I've really liked (just visually) in a while since the original Viper GTS and Prowler. Maybe this will make Ford get it's act together on a future Mustang.

[BigMass]

The new BMW 135i will cost about the same, look better, have a better interior, better engine, and be faster. I think i'll pass.

[Toms-SC]

Originally posted by BigMass
The new BMW 135i will cost about the same, look better, have a better interior, better engine, and be faster. I think i'll pass.

Yes because the type of person wanting a Challenger will want a BMW. :dunno:

[Destinova403]

Originally posted by BigMass
The new BMW 135i will cost about the same, look better, have a better interior, better engine, and be faster. I think i'll pass.

i think you are completely missing the point of this car.

and IMO the 135i is SO much uglier than the challenger.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by BigMass
The new BMW 135i will cost about the same, look better, have a better interior, better engine, and be faster. I think i'll pass.

That's okay, I wouldn't want us to have the same car anyways. :rolleyes:

[CappyMcSlappy]

I found these photos from the Challengers Chicago debut. They look pretty nice, and I'm definitely a fan of the interior. The SRT stitched into the seats is pretty cool.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21108151@N08/2247864828/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21108151@N08/2247863978/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21108151@N08/2246897741/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21108151@N08/2247870748/

[NickGT]

Stunning! Inside and out! So whats the curb weight on this thing? It looks heavy standing still thats my only thoughts.

[Graham_A_M]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE
I can almose guarantee that I'll eventually own one of those at some point.

The single biggest automotive regret of my life was passing on a nicely done 73 challenger, they've always been my favorite old mopar and with the retro-styling and as good or better performance than the original it's pretty much a win for me.

My biggest ever regret was not bugging my dad enough to buy this 1971 Cuda Convertible. There were only 88 of them made, for all the years. Probably a lot less with the ( with this car; original matching numbers) 440 six packs, of which that car had. 4 speed manual I believe too... just an ultra-rare car, fully loaded, but with the uber-rare manual.

Everything original, but fully restored.... asking price? $18k

Now? that car would be worth a little short of a million I'm guessing, as perhaps there are maybe 50 cuda convertibles known today, and probably two or three with the options that car had. Full rotesserie restoration too.
I was only 12 when I saw that, and I got on my knees and begged my dad to buy that car.
He thought about it for a few minutes, and passed on it.....
I remember crying myself to sleep over it since even then I knew what a stellar STELLAR deal that car was.

Sickens me to my core now a days. perhaps not a million in todays value but I'll bet that car would easily in the $700-900k range at the barrett jackson auction.
You honest to God should have seen that thing. :nut:

[JRSC00LUDE]

^

Awesome, I hold Cuda' and Challenger in the same regard. Best looking mopars ever made imo. I feel worse for you missing out on that than I do for myself!

[Destinova403]

first vid of it as it hits the track guys. and some new pics.

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2008/02/video_2008_dodge_challenger_hi.html

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2008_dodge_challenger_3.jpg

[Benny]

That thing is fucking sick. :eek:

[Canmorite]

Originally posted by Benny
That thing is fucking sick. :eek:

+1. Best retro car since the Ford GT.

[403Gemini]

Honest to god cant wait for these and camaro's to be rollin around :thumbsup:

[dino_martini]

Edmunds Insideline did a test of the new Challenger and said it was pretty darn good. I would wait for a manual though.

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by dino_martini
Edmunds Insideline did a test of the new Challenger and said it was pretty darn good. I would wait for a manual though.

Dont hold your breath... i know a lot of people who said that about the charger...

[ekguy]

people thinking this is too retro and won't work outside of it's niche....let's not forget the new retro looking mustang who's been whored out so frikkin bad it's ridiculous.

I think this car will definitely be a hit with alot of people

[kvanderlaag]

At first I hated it because it's all straight lines, and not particularly aerodynamic.

Then I stopped thinking of it as a new import, and started thinking of it as a throwback to the oldschool Challenger I love so much.

I definitely like it.

[dino_martini]

Originally posted by 403Gemini


Dont hold your breath... i know a lot of people who said that about the charger...

If a manual doesnt come, Im not sure how well the Challenger will sell.

[Destinova403]

Originally posted by dino_martini


If a manual doesnt come, Im not sure how well the Challenger will sell.

they already said that a 6 speed will be comming with the "lower end" versions of the car within the next 2 years... the high priced SRT-8 special edition is the only model released in 2008 but in 2009 the car goes into full production and the price will come down and there will be a 6 speed put in.

[Destinova403]

Originally posted by dino_martini
Edmunds Insideline did a test of the new Challenger and said it was pretty darn good. I would wait for a manual though.

here is the edmunds article... damn i love this car

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=124470

[ScottysZ]

Ive been excited for this since the first pics came out, and i love the styling, but i think this thing fell right on its face. Im not saying they wont sell, even with the ridiculous ADMs theyre sure to get for the first little while, but it weighs too damn much! Admittedly, its designed to be more of a boulevard cruiser than a ponycar (?), but even with 425hp theyre only estimating numbers thatll almost mirror a 300hp 05+ mustang GT. And with an epa estimated 13/18mpg (and realistically probably close to 10 or 11mpg city) theyre gonna be a lotta fun once gas hits $1.50 this summer. Granted not too many of them will see dd duty, but thats encroaching on 'viper-bad' mileage.

I honestly have trouble understanding how you could make a 2-door rwd car even weigh that much aside from throwing a few blocks of lead inside of it for an authentic ghetto lowrider.

Heres hoping the camaro can stay about 700-800lbs under that.

[Graham_A_M]

^ I'm sure it will, and I'm sure the Camaro will outsell this about 2-1. :dunno:

If (or shall I say when) they release a SS version, I'd be VERY interested in a Camaro, either that or the trans am edition....:thumbsup:

[pome902]

im gonna pray that this bb dosent come out over priced in canada =p
we'll se how our ecomny does when 2009 comes by =D

[Graham_A_M]

Originally posted by Graham_A_M


My biggest ever regret was not bugging my dad enough to buy this 1971 Cuda Convertible. There were only 88 of them made, probably a lot less with the ( with this car; original matching numbers) 440 six packs, of which that car had. 4 speed manual I believe too... just an ultra-rare car, fully loaded, but with the uber-rare manual.

Everything original, but fully restored.... asking price? $18k

Now? that car would be worth a little short of a million I'm guessing, as perhaps there are maybe 50 cuda convertibles known today, and probably two or three with the options that car had. Full rotesserie restoration too.
I was only 12 when I saw that, and I got on my knees and begged my dad to buy that car.
He thought about it for a few minutes, and passed on it.....
I remember crying myself to sleep over it since even then I knew what a stellar STELLAR deal that car was.

Sickens me to my core now a days. perhaps not a million in todays value but I'll bet that car would easily in the $700-900k range at the barrett jackson auction.
You honest to God should have seen that thing. :nut:

Actually I just read of a 1971 Cuda convertible selling for $4 million a whiles back, with matching numbers (as in the one I wanted my dad to buy) even a non-matching numbers one fetched 2.8 million. They only made 11 cuda convertibles that year, and two with a 4 speed manual. :banghead: (so this car was 1 of 2)

So my dad lost out on a cool $4-6 million over a 13 year time span.

awesome:clap: :clap: let me go cry myself to sleep like old times again :thumbsup:

[mikestypes]

Originally posted by Graham_A_M


Actually I just read of a 1971 Cuda convertible selling for $4 million a whiles back, with matching numbers (as in the one I wanted my dad to buy) even a non-matching numbers one fetched 2.8 million. They only made 11 cuda convertibles that year, and two with a 4 speed manual. :banghead: (so this car was 1 of 2)

So my dad lost out on a cool $4-6 million over a 13 year time span.

awesome:clap: :clap: let me go cry myself to sleep like old times again :thumbsup:

Hindsite is 20-20. The same could be said for any of thousands of stocks over the last 13 years.....

[Destinova403]

the R/T and SE models have been revealed

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/19/new-york-08-preview-dodge-challenger-r-t-ready-to-roll/

[ScottysZ]

That SE is gonna be a dog, the R/T with a 6 speed will be nice though, only 55hp short of the SRT8, and probably a bit lighter i would guess... and a lot less money hopefully.

The thing is still a lardass though, as is nearly every car that seems to be coming out these days.

[BlkMaxima]

:drool:

Sweet.

[Crymson]

Weak. I think the lower end models will definately ruin this brand.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by Crymson
Weak. I think the lower end models will definately ruin this brand.

How so? Even though it eventually ended production with only two choices, for four years from its intro. the original challenger came with engines ranging from (in cubic inches) 198, 225, 318, 340, 360, 383, 426, and 440 along with differences in the engine itself like 383 2V, 383 4V, 383 Magnum and on and on and on.

Those choices don't seem to have adversely affected it's popularity much.

[BlkMaxima]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE


How so? Even though it eventually ended production with only two choices, for four years from its intro. the original challenger came with engines ranging from (in cubic inches) 198, 225, 318, 340, 360, 383, 426, and 440 along with differences in the engine itself like 383 2V, 383 4V, 383 Magnum and on and on and on.

Those choices don't seem to have adversely affected it's popularity much.

:werd:

Look at the chargers, they have the same models and they all seem to sell really well.

I see them everywhere. The Challengers look 100X Better than the Charger.

[Crymson]

I guess the appeal of having such a stand out car, would be not seeing alot of them. I would have liked them to have kept it upscale with only the SRT-8 version, and kept the charger as the low-end version.

[gpomp]

chrysler is in the business to sell cars, not to appeal to 16 year old fanboys.

[Destinova403]

the SE version is going to start in the low 20k's

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2008/03/2009_dodge_challenger_se_will.html

[Aleks]

Just under $45K CAD for SRT8.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/thenews/2008/03/25/chrysler-canada-announces-pricing-for-2008-dodge-challenger-srt8.htm

[ScottysZ]

Thats not bad for the SRT, until the additional markups come into play.

I think the low 20s for the SE is american. Probably tack 5 grand on there.

[Destinova403]

Top Gear magazine shoot

good photography tips and car info.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/27/video-top-gear-photographer-shoots-the-challenger-srt8-gives-u/

[NickGT]

horsepower/torque/curb weight #'s are out for the various different models of challenger. Here's how they compare to Ford's Mustang.

http://www.themustangnews.com/carnews_08/st-0308dodge341.htm

[Destinova403]

Originally posted by NickGT
horsepower/torque/curb weight #'s are out for the various different models of challenger. Here's how they compare to Ford's Mustang.

http://www.themustangnews.com/carnews_08/st-0308dodge341.htm

the V-6 and R/T versions look good... the SRT-8 looks a little under-powered, atleast compared to the GT-500.

[NickGT]

Originally posted by Destinova403


the V-6 and R/T versions look good... the SRT-8 looks a little under-powered, atleast compared to the GT-500.

What do you think of the curb weights? I can't believe the V6 tips the scales at 3720lbs. The R/T over 4000lbs. :eek:

[ScottysZ]

Nice, but just too big to be a pony car. Fits better in the niche that was filled by the 60s chargers and GTOs.

[Destinova403]

Originally posted by NickGT


What do you think of the curb weights? I can't believe the V6 tips the scales at 3720lbs. The R/T over 4000lbs. :eek:

in terms of lbs/hp they arent bad, better than their mustang equivalents atleast. and i think even a bit better than my lude... could be much worse... i dont think this car is too bad.

EDIT: my lude weighs 2882 lbs stock with 200 HP so im 14.41 lbs/hp so only marginally better than the V-6... im sure the story is similar with civics etc... a 1999 Civic SIR is 2606 lbs at 160 HP so its 16.29 lbs/hp so even worse than all of the above and an R32 Nissan Skyline GTR is 3152 lbs at 260 HP stock... so its 12.12... to put things into perspective.... just food for thought.

[NickGT]

Originally posted by Destinova403


in terms of lbs/hp they arent bad, better than their mustang equivalents atleast. and i think even a bit better than my lude... could be much worse... i dont think this car is too bad.

EDIT: my lude weighs 2882 lbs stock with 200 HP so im 14.41 lbs/hp so only marginally better than the V-6... im sure the story is similar with civics etc... a 1999 Civic SIR is 2606 lbs at 160 HP so its 16.29 lbs/hp so even worse than all of the above and an R32 Nissan Skyline GTR is 3152 lbs at 260 HP stock... so its 12.12... to put things into perspective.... just food for thought.

Yah the numbers look good. I was just thinking about how heavy my car feels at times. To tack on close to 700lbs would definitely be felt. I don't want one, but I do wanna take one for a test drive to see what its like.

[Hawk01]

i like! Very Nice!!

[b_t]

I still like the Camaro much better. In a few years, I'll be ordering one of those in Velocity Yellow and slapping some black racing stripes on it.

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by ScottysZ
just too big to be a pony car.

:rofl:

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by Destinova403


the V-6 and R/T versions look good... the SRT-8 looks a little under-powered, atleast compared to the GT-500.

Yeah but the GT-500 is a straight up BEAST

[ScottysZ]

Originally posted by Eleanor


:rofl:

Explain?

[Destinova403]

it drifts pretty good

cool video.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/11/video-dodge-challenger-gets-its-drift-on/

[dino_martini]

Originally posted by ScottysZ


Explain?

Muscle cars have always been huge cars. Look at cars like old Chargers, Chevelle's, Riviera, Malibu, Torino.

Those were all massive cars. Not just in size but in weight as well. The new Challenger has a 6 inch longer wheel base then the first generation Challenger. The 1970 R/T was 3395lbs, the new 2009 Challenger is something in the 4000lb range. Thats why, (no offence) its funny that you say this Challenger is too big to be a muscle car. When the muscle cars of old were nearly as big as today.

This Challenger will stop and handle unlike the old one right? :rofl:

[NickGT]

Originally posted by dino_martini


Muscle cars have always been huge cars. Look at cars like old Chargers, Chevelle's, Riviera, Malibu, Torino.

Those were all massive cars. Not just in size but in weight as well. The new Challenger has a 6 inch longer wheel base then the first generation Challenger. The 1970 R/T was 3395lbs, the new 2009 Challenger is something in the 4000lb range. Thats why, (no offence) its funny that you say this Challenger is too big to be a muscle car. When the muscle cars of old were nearly as big as today.

This Challenger will stop and handle unlike the old one right? :rofl:

Pony cars are different than straight up muscle cars. The classification was born with the 64 mustang and other cars like it. They were compact sporty cars that weren't as big or weigh as much as a full-size muscle car. With a V8 under the hood you could consider them muscle cars but where they properly fit is in the pony car category.

Examples: Ford Mustang, Chevy Camaro

So I agree with ScottysZ, its tough to consider the challenger a pony car.

[ScottysZ]

Originally posted by dino_martini

Those were all massive cars. Not just in size but in weight as well. The new Challenger has a 6 inch longer wheel base then the first generation Challenger. The 1970 R/T was 3395lbs, the new 2009 Challenger is something in the 4000lb range. Thats why, (no offence) its funny that you say this Challenger is too big to be a muscle car. When the muscle cars of old were nearly as big as today.
right? :rofl:

...that makes no sense. If the new challenger was in the 3400lb range id say it would be reasonable size for a pony car... 4000 is not. So how am i wrong in saying that the current 4000lb challenger is too big to be a ponycar when its 600lb lighter (actually more like 700) precursor was a legitimate ponycar?

And like Nick said, chargers, chevelles, rivies, and malibus were NOT pony cars.