View Full Version : Help me settle a debate - What is more of a sport
Neil4Speed
01-17-2008, 11:43 PM
Well last night I went out for wings with a few buddies, we usually get into some pretty heated discussions. One of the guys is a die hard football fan. Me and my buddy are pretty good F1 fans, which he discounts greatly.
I think personally that F1 requires the most athletic ability next to boxing. Driving requires absolutely honed and masterful reflexes in exceptionally enduring circumstances (4 layers of fire protection, a seat squeezing your every fiber, its hard to breathe with all the air being sucked into the intake), for... 2 hours!
Anyways, discuss, I would be interested to hear what other people think
icecreamvan
01-18-2008, 12:31 AM
You guys obviously haven't seen the handbike or the travelator.
wardpr68
01-18-2008, 12:33 AM
are you serious....?
You think F1 driving is a harder/more of a sport than football???????
fuck....wow.
962 kid
01-18-2008, 12:35 AM
F1 in my opinion. I've had the discussion with many people countless times, and it's pointless. They think it's just driving a car faster than normal through corners. The best comparison I could think of was likening F1 to golf, where each corner requires the technique of a golf swing - except the whole thing is in fast forward, and you have other goflers messing with your ball trying to get to the hole first. Not a very good comparison :p but it's the best way I could think of it.
This clip helps a little bit:
digzhGl-xo8
Originally posted by wardpr68
are you serious....?
You think F1 driving is a harder/more of a sport than football???????
fuck....wow.
Oh yeah. Easy. How many pro footballers are there in the world at any given time? I bet it's a lot more than 22.
Dooms_Bane
01-18-2008, 12:36 AM
hmm thats a hard one
i think F-1 might be harder.
in the cockpit i hear it gets PRETTY damn ass hot. its alot to how much you can stand..
while i'm not a football person so i'm sure i'm bias but still it's more or less like stop and go stop and go wait for 5 minutes make a plan and go some more.
there is a huge risk of injury in football tho due to the full contact nature but there is alot of resting? i don't know
my vote is F-1 but i don't like football overly to much lol
rage2
01-18-2008, 12:37 AM
Just imagine a hockey player having to play a 100 minute shift, getting checked 500 times, and no stoppages. That's F1 right there.
BerserkerCatSplat
01-18-2008, 12:42 AM
Next up, apples vs. oranges.
calgarys_finest
01-18-2008, 12:45 AM
i dont think you can compare talent and physical ability in once sport to talent and physical ability in another. You and all your friends lose.
sexualbanana
01-18-2008, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by icecreamvan
You guys obviously haven't seen the handbike or the travelator.
:rofl: :rofl: :werd:
mo_money2supe
01-18-2008, 01:17 AM
Although I'm not a fan of either sport, I would say both are equal sports but in each their own way. F1 has to do more with endurance, while Football focuses more on instantaneous intense physical ability.
buh_buh
01-18-2008, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by mo_money2supe
F1 has to do more with endurance, while Football focuses more on instantaneous intense physical ability. did you watch the video? Driving a F1 car definitely takes more intense physical ability, coupled with mongoose like reflexes.
How can one be more of a sport than another? They're both sports. Its like saying which is more of a fruit, a pineapple or a banana.
I think F1 drivers are conditioned much better than football players. In fact F1 drivers are probably the most conditioned athletes in the world. F1 drivers are exposed to quite a bit of stress thus requiring the conditioning needed. An argument that can be made for football being more of a sport, which I don't agree with necessarily, is that F1 drivers don't really participate in an actual physical exertion like football players do. To an ignorant 'F1 is not a sport' person the only exertion a F1 driver participates in is moving a wheel and gear lever (I also don't agree with this either).
I've gotten into similar debates about golf being a sport so I know where you're coming from.
Nascar on the other hand....oh boy, I don't know about that one.
TegLover
01-18-2008, 01:30 AM
people don't think F1 isn't a sport because it does not require you to run your ass off so it seems like you aren't exactly doing any work at all but driving a "car". In that sense they are right but wrong at the same time.
I don't even see why you continue to argue time after time, i will argue with people who can come up with quality supporting evidence, not those who are just ignorant.
I learned that the hard way when i brought up the plane-on-conveyor-belt myth to a few people. I was pretty surprised with some of the shit people come up with.
No matter how smart you are and how good your supporting evidence is you can't change someones opinion about something if they are too ignorant or just plain too stupid. You can usually gather how smart, or ignorant, a person is thorough these arguments.
and the plane will take off!:clap:
dr_jared88
01-18-2008, 01:30 AM
i just find it kind of funny you ask this on a car forum. pretty biased opinions. if you asked this on a football forum, you'd get biased opinions the other way.
retro-steve
01-18-2008, 01:31 AM
Easiest way to teach your friends a little about F1: tell them to hold their head and body upright while you take a 40km/h exit at about 80km/h, at the end ask them how hard that was, then tell them to imagine wearing full protective gear, heat above 40degC, a 5lb helmet, 4x the g-forces and doing that for over an hour straight.
F1 is about as physically and mentally demanding as a sport gets, find another sport where they have to do a hardcore excercise regiment on the other side of their neck just because the next race goes around the track in a different direction than normal.
Dooms_Bane
01-18-2008, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by 962 kid
F1 in my opinion. I've had the discussion with many people countless times, and it's pointless. They think it's just driving a car faster than normal through corners. The best comparison I could think of was likening F1 to golf, where each corner requires the technique of a golf swing - except the whole thing is in fast forward, and you have other goflers messing with your ball trying to get to the hole first. Not a very good comparison :p but it's the best way I could think of it.
This clip helps a little bit:
digzhGl-xo8
Oh yeah. Easy. How many pro footballers are there in the world at any given time? I bet it's a lot more than 22.
wow that video is just wow...
i did not know it was that hard. they make it look easy i knew it was hard... but shiiittt it really helps you understand better
mo_money2supe
01-18-2008, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by buh_buh
How can one be more of a sport than another? They're both sports. Its like saying which is more of a fruit, a pineapple or a banana.
:confused: :dunno: When did I say one was more of a sport than the other? In fact, I actually said they're both equal in being called a "sport."
buh_buh
01-18-2008, 01:41 AM
I was referring to the OP
5hift
01-18-2008, 01:51 AM
I realize saying this on a car based forum I'll be in the minority, but
IMO, its more of a sport when more physical athletic skill is required. I know F1 requires skill, endurance etc, but it cannot be compared to the NFL. The NFL requires such a combination of strength, speed and strategy that is not found at such a level anywhere else. Stand Terrell Ownes besides Michael Shumaker and tell more who looks more like a well conditioned athlethe. Michael would probably be embarassed to even take off his shirt. Larry Allen of the Niners regularly pushes a 4 man sled by himself in practice. An entire F1 racing team would probably barely be able to to this. He can bench 600 lbs+ yet is still fast enough to be the lead blocker on counter plays. I'd like to see these drivers with "great endurance" get out of their cars and keep up with a NFL team doing suicides in practice. There is no comparsion of speed, strength or conditioning of the actual athlete between these sports.
F1 is tough, I get that, but its a engine based sport. It cannot be considered a sport in the same sense that the NFL is in where the athlete is doing all the moving themselves.
To anyone who says there is too much resting and stopping in football, obviously hasnt played football. It takes everything a player has to get through such a physical 3 hour battle. They play a sport where the purpose is direct contact. If you think the cockpit of a F1 car gets hot, imagine what it feels like wearing full gear and playing a physical full contact sport for hours in the Texas sun.
Just look at what sport is harder on the player. In F1, competitors only die when there is a really bad crash. In football, at least one person dies a year in the states from playing too hard and overheating/dehydrating.
If for any reason everyone still thinks F1 is more of a sport than the NFL, then MotoGP has got to be more of a sport than F1. Taking turns at those speeds with your knee dragging, your not sitting in a cockpit, your straddling and hanging on for dear life.
Euro_Trash
01-18-2008, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by 5hift
IMO, its more of a sport when more physical athletic skill is required. I know F1 requires skill, endurance etc, but it cannot be compared to the NFL. The NFL requires such a combination of strength, speed and strategy that is not found at such a level anywhere else. Stand Terrell Ownes besides Michael Shumaker and tell more who looks more like a well conditioned athlethe. Michael would probably be embarassed to even take off his shirt. Larry Allen of the Niners regularly pushes a 4 man sled by himself in practice. An entire F1 racing team would probably barely be able to to this. He can bench 600 lbs+ yet is still fast enough to be the lead blocker on counter plays. I'd like to see these drivers with "great endurance" get out of their cars and keep up with a NFL team doing suicides in practice. There is no comparsion of speed, strength or conditioning of the actual athlete between these sports.
Exactly, you cant compare the 2 sports at all.
But if your friend does want to see what its like in an F1 car, find him the Top Gear clip of Hammond in one
HyperZell
01-18-2008, 08:56 AM
Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat
Next up, apples vs. oranges.
Oranges, hands down.
rage2
01-18-2008, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by 5hift
IMO, its more of a sport when more physical athletic skill is required. I know F1 requires skill, endurance etc, but it cannot be compared to the NFL. The NFL requires such a combination of strength, speed and strategy that is not found at such a level anywhere else. Stand Terrell Ownes besides Michael Shumaker and tell more who looks more like a well conditioned athlethe. Michael would probably be embarassed to even take off his shirt. Larry Allen of the Niners regularly pushes a 4 man sled by himself in practice. An entire F1 racing team would probably barely be able to to this. He can bench 600 lbs+ yet is still fast enough to be the lead blocker on counter plays. I'd like to see these drivers with "great endurance" get out of their cars and keep up with a NFL team doing suicides in practice. There is no comparsion of speed, strength or conditioning of the actual athlete between these sports.
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If for any reason everyone still thinks F1 is more of a sport than the NFL, then MotoGP has got to be more of a sport than F1. Taking turns at those speeds with your knee dragging, your not sitting in a cockpit, your straddling and hanging on for dear life.
Driving a F1 car isn't just about hanging on for dear life. You're subjected to a lot of forces. 2.5g's of force accelerating, 5g's of force braking, 3.5g's of lateral acceleration cornering.
So if an F1 driver weighs 140lbs, everytime he accelerates, it's like having a 350lbs push against you. Everytime he brakes, it's a 700lb push on the back. Everytime he turns, it's 490lbs of push. Like I said, it's like getting body checked or tackled 600 times over the course of a race with no breaks.
The reason why F1 drivers are tiny compared to an NFL'er is because you can't fit a 300lb dude in a F1 car. Even if you could, it would be detrimental to handling and performance of the car. Not to mention those forces on the driver more than double.
I suggest anyone that thinks F1 is easy go try and drive a shifter kart. When I was in decent shape, I can do maybe 6 or 7 laps all out before I'm completely exhausted. An F1 car is about 4-5x worse than a shifter kart.
I haven't even gone through the mental aspects of driving a F1 car flat out. F1 drivers do it while having their asses kicked in the cars, and with 21 other guys around them going thru the same thing.
Maddog55
01-18-2008, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by Dooms_Bane
wow that video is just wow...
i did not know it was that hard. they make it look easy i knew it was hard... but shiiittt it really helps you understand better
That really is an awesome video. And that probably STILL can't convey exactly how much skill is involved to operate.
Obviously it would take years of training and practice to even be able to keep it on the track..nevermind racing against the top drivers.
Excellent vid!! :clap:
But yeah...comparing apples and oranges. They're both sports...both require the best of the best to compete in each's field.
bulaian
01-18-2008, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by icecreamvan
You guys obviously haven't seen the handbike or the travelator.
:clap: hahaha
funkedelic
01-18-2008, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by HyperZell
Oranges, hands down.
No way! Apples ftw! You can't compare the two!
Trini
01-18-2008, 09:11 AM
yup that video from top gear with hammond driving the renault really shows how hard it is to drive an F1 car
treg50
01-18-2008, 09:19 AM
Let's not talk about GOLF :rofl:
Also, why do they have dogshows on TSN?
DTTB_36
01-18-2008, 09:48 AM
Football hands down. Do you consider Equestrian to more of a sport than football. In both F1 & equestrian, you are controlling and manipulating an outside force (engine & a horse). Football, you use all around athletic ability as well as the F1 abilities such as operating under extreme temperatures (playing in Florida & Arizona), reflexs and peripheral vision, and decision making.
Also in reply to a comment above, football players are exposed to extreme amounts of force too. An average d-lineman weighes 300+ and and full speed will result in an explosive force. THe only difference is that in an F1, the seat is engineered to absorb the force/minimize it while a football player can experience this without even knowing it is coming.
Nav13
01-18-2008, 10:01 AM
I used to argue with my friends about this all the time, I still do, and I am on the side of F1. However I have come to this realization. If your looking at physical capability, Football players have that hands down, but overall talent, F1 drivers beat almost any sport out there, IMO.
mikey008
01-18-2008, 10:02 AM
Driving really hard for two hours does take a lot outta you!! Heck driving on the Race City course just for three laps took alot outta me! I was darn tired!
But with F1, you're basically working out your upper body mainly. (ie. Arms and neck) Compare that to Football....well that's just a different story! So F1 is considered a sport in it's OWN way compared to other "SO" called sports like Golf and Pool! haha
DTTB_36
01-18-2008, 10:11 AM
In overall talent, football wins. The runningback has to be able to do everything. Run fast, decision making, hand eye co-ordination, quick lateral movement and make the big hit. F1 is just people who are extremely skilled in a couple of talents, which doesnt make him an overall athletic person.
simke
01-18-2008, 10:24 AM
It is hard to compare these two. In football you require more strength for short periods of time since you are not really playing 3hrs. Some football players are in awesome shape while there are some linebackers that are not, but still know how to push people around, which is a skill too I guess.
As far as F1 (I am a huge fan btw), the drivers have incredible endurance and overall strength. I remember watching some videos of Renaults drivers training in the off season and it was incredible. They are really in peak physical form. The reason why they are 140lbs are already explained above.
I remember when I took a race school in my stock VW scirocco w/race tires - I could only do 7-10laps, while pushing and concentrating the hardest, before coming into pits and getting some rest. It was very hard to do physicaly. And I was in pretty good shape at the time.
DTTB_36
01-18-2008, 10:41 AM
Its hard to compare at this website since I am willing to bet that 99% of the people here have never played competitive football and probably only 50% actually watch it. I have personally played on a team with a guy who won a superbowl ring last year. His athletic ability was phenomenal, myself at 240 lbs would take a five yard sprint at him and he would have one step. I would try to block him and it would either be a stalemate or I would get destroyed, and he now plays O-line (was d-end). I can not even imagine the athletic ability of a NFL runningback.
http://www2.sportsnet.ca/football/nfl/players/Daniel_Federkeil/
benyl
01-18-2008, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by DTTB_36
In overall talent, football wins. The runningback has to be able to do everything. Run fast, decision making, hand eye co-ordination, quick lateral movement and make the big hit. F1 is just people who are extremely skilled in a couple of talents, which doesnt make him an overall athletic person.
Run fast? I would agree some people on the football team need to run fast. Those 400lb fat dudes cannot run fast.
Decision making in football happens at probably 1/10th of the speed of F1.
F1 requires Hand, foot and eye co-ordination. All of that controlled by a brain working at warp speed.
As other people have said, in F1, you body get beat to crap by the G forces. The seats are made of carbon and don't "cushion" the blows. The equivalent would the quarter back being tackled by the biggest line backer every 20 seconds of a football game with not intermissions.
retro-steve
01-18-2008, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by DTTB_36
Football hands down. Do you consider Equestrian to more of a sport than football. In both F1 & equestrian, you are controlling and manipulating an outside force (engine & a horse). Football, you use all around athletic ability as well as the F1 abilities such as operating under extreme temperatures (playing in Florida & Arizona), reflexs and peripheral vision, and decision making.
Also in reply to a comment above, football players are exposed to extreme amounts of force too. An average d-lineman weighes 300+ and and full speed will result in an explosive force. THe only difference is that in an F1, the seat is engineered to absorb the force/minimize it while a football player can experience this without even knowing it is coming.
the seats are not designed to absorb any force, they're designed to conform perfectly to your body, but have no padding or sock absorbing qualities.
it was like last season when david coulthard was describing the switch from the old gearboxes to the seamless, he said every time you shifted the old gearbox it was like a jackhammer to your spine, now do that hundreds to thousands of times a race with all the other forces, body takes a pretty good beating there too...and they only started introducing the seamless gearboxes last season.
DTTB_36
01-18-2008, 11:34 AM
It may be true that the 400lb dont run fast but they have skill that an average viewer does not see. Their first step is extremely critical and has to be extremely fast if they want to beat the more athletic d-end. And their steps are very co-ordinated and precise down to the inch. Trust me, it is a lot harder to play o-line than it is to be a receiver. And the fact they can bench 600+ lbs. While they are not very athletic in a sense that they are 400 lbs, there is a reason for this very similar as why you say there is a reason for the fact F1 drivers are 140 lbs (the sheer need for size in the trenches). How can you say one extreme in weight can be an athlete but not the other. They are like F1 drivers, proficient at a couple aspects of a true athlete.
With the seat conforming completely perfectly to your body, it creates a greater area for the force to dissipate. Football can have an extreme amount of force on one area of your body such as your head.
BTW have any of you ever played football. While I have never been in an F1, I have been in a corvette at the GMC proving grounds in arizona in which a professional driver drove hella fast so I know how the G force feels. Maybe not quite as fast but close.
rage2
01-18-2008, 11:49 AM
It's unfortunately that Kart Gardens Airport is long gone... that track even with the slow karts give you a good idea of what your body goes through in race like conditions. The karts weren't terribly fast, about 80k top speed, but there were several corners where you'd pull (guesstimate) 0.8g's and everytime you're out of the car you're covered in bruises. Arms are completely sore.
I used to go there weekly with my buddies, at a time when I was in really good shape. One weekend we decided to do a 1 hour enduro run with 3 other guys. After 20 mins, 2 of the guys parked their cars. They couldn't do it no more lol. I was in pain for the next day after I finished running. These karts you're subjected to about 5% of the forces of F1 haha.
Originally posted by DTTB_36
BTW have any of you ever played football. While I have never been in an F1, I have been in a corvette at the GMC proving grounds in arizona in which a professional driver drove hella fast so I know how the G force feels. Maybe not quite as fast but close.
Not. Even. Remotely. Close.
Rethink that last statement there champ.
DTTB_36
01-18-2008, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by A790
Not. Even. Remotely. Close.
Rethink that last statement there champ.
Again no one here has ever played football
rage2
01-18-2008, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by DTTB_36
While I have never been in an F1, I have been in a corvette at the GMC proving grounds in arizona in which a professional driver drove hella fast so I know how the G force feels. Maybe not quite as fast but close.
Not even close (Vette vs F1). Try 6x the forces in your Vette for a F1 car haha.
If you wanna know what it's like, try your hand on a shifter kart. There are some kart tracks and schools in the states that offer 1-2 day programs. That's prob. as close as you can get to a F1 car for a regular joe. And that's about 20% of what a F1 car's like haha.
DTTB_36
01-18-2008, 11:55 AM
So would flying an F-16 be more of a sport than F1?
Splooge
01-18-2008, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by funkedelic
No way! Apples ftw! You can't compare the two!
Go Banana!
rage2
01-18-2008, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by DTTB_36
So would flying an F-16 be more of a sport than F1?
Sure, if you put 22 F-16's together racing each other in close formation, and they must perform a tricky high load maneuver every 5 seconds without crashing into each other for 100 minutes.
retro-steve
01-18-2008, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by DTTB_36
So would flying an F-16 be more of a sport than F1?
Their reaction time and physical conditioning is right up there, but no one has made a competitive league for flying fighter jets so there is no sport to it.
Just go look up an off-season and regular-season training regiment for F1 drivers and compare it to football, that'll be the only way you can make your decision either way, since I'm sure you know tonnes about a football training regiment it would be easy for you to compare and measure the phsyical aspect of it.
Speaking of training, what about all the testing they do? We can agree that around 56 laps is VERY demanding, but what about the testing that happens in between all the races and all the time in the off season where they're pushing over 100 laps a day? Sure they're not pushing 100% but they're doing at least 90% for 200% of the time.
DTTB_36
01-18-2008, 12:06 PM
Lets just say that in this week alone, in the group that i work out with (20 people), ten or more people have puked during the work out. This is just amateur as well. I expect NFL players work out a little more intense as they are payed millions of dollars to be the best.
retro-steve
01-18-2008, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by DTTB_36
Lets just say that in this week alone, in the group that i work out with (20 people), ten or more people have puked during the work out. This is just amateur as well. I expect NFL players work out a little more intense as they are payed millions of dollars to be the best.
Okay, now if we're talking about how hard they work as a comparison to salary let's look at the top F1 driver, Kimi Raikkonen, who is paid about $60million/season, I don't see any football players getting paid that much so Kimi must work harder.
*edit, spelled "paid" wrong*
rage2
01-18-2008, 12:09 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6980337.stm
http://www.mclaren.com/features/driver/drive_for_fitness.php
Some info on F1 driver's off season training, why they have to be "tiny".
buh_buh
01-18-2008, 12:10 PM
where's the competitive nature of driving a F16?
A F16 can put up to 9gs in a turn, while a F1 driver can experience up to 6gs for ~24 turns per track as many as 150 laps in testing, sometimes more. You can do the math.
Apples and Oranges
Similar to asking who is more athletic, a football player (LT) or the winner of the ironman triathlon
Football is more about explosive power, yes you have endurance in football. If you watch them train it is all about explosive power. Someone here commented on the big guys not running fast, many don't realize that they might be big and "slow" in NFL terms but they would beat the "average" athletic folk on this board.
F1, I don't even think I ever want to be able to comment from experience on how difficult the conditions are that these drivers face. You see an F1 driver on the street and they look like any joe blow, what separates them apart from their great reflexes is also their ability to separate their brains from the fear aspect of driving at that speed.
About the only sport that I would think comes close to both worlds would be the Bobsleigh. You need very explosive power at the start and then the endurance to withstand the G forces going down the track.
kertejud2
01-18-2008, 12:13 PM
I always hate when people ask "what is more of a sport."
I say bobsledding is twice the sport F1 is. Not only do you need the same kind of reaction time at high speeds, but you're flying down an ice track basically wearing a helmet and a leotard.
Sure the race is shorter, but the athletic standard of bobsledders is almost unparalleled. You need to be a sprinter and a powerlifter. There was a bobsledder who ran a 3.22 35m time (a 40 yard dash to the football fanatics out there). You'd also be hard pressed to find a world class bobsledder who can't squat more than 3 times their own bodyweight. With all the technique involved both in running as well as the driving of the bobsled, the slightest mistake could mean the difference between gold and last place. In F1 racing you have dozens of laps to make up for a mistake. In bobsleigh, one mistake means you wasted 4 years of gruelling training.
I'm not trying to knock F1, I could never do it, but its a never ending argument. I mean seriously, could Michael Schumacher or Floyd Mayweather ever stack cups this fast ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0YgrUKfTcA
BTW, football players are not world class athletes. Some are, but most are just bodybuilders who run around. They're basically rugby players without the toughness or stamina (not to mention any international prop can squat and clean more than any NFL offensive lineman despite being a fraction of the weight.
DTTB_36
01-18-2008, 12:16 PM
Is not the whole basis of sports "war". Who would win in a fight?
Also to the guy who made my edit -> you are smart!
DTTB_36
01-18-2008, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by kertejud2
I always hate when people ask "what is more of a sport."
I say bobsledding is twice the sport F1 is. Not only do you need the same kind of reaction time at high speeds, but you're flying down an ice track basically wearing a helmet and a leotard.
Sure the race is shorter, but the athletic standard of bobsledders is almost unparalleled. You need to be a sprinter and a powerlifter. There was a bobsledder who ran a 3.22 35m time (a 40 yard dash to the football fanatics out there). You'd also be hard pressed to find a world class bobsledder who can't squat more than 3 times their own bodyweight. With all the technique involved both in running as well as the driving of the bobsled, the slightest mistake could mean the difference between gold and last place. In F1 racing you have dozens of laps to make up for a mistake. In bobsleigh, one mistake means you wasted 4 years of gruelling training.
I'm not trying to knock F1, I could never do it, but its a never ending argument. I mean seriously, could Michael Schumacher or Floyd Mayweather ever stack cups this fast ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0YgrUKfTcA
BTW, football players are not world class athletes. Some are, but most are just bodybuilders who run around. They're basically rugby players without the toughness or stamina (not to mention any international prop can squat and clean more than any NFL offensive lineman despite being a fraction of the weight.
I liked your entire quote, I agree about rugby (better sport than football), but more importantly bobsledding is insane! I saw the german and american teams workout, OMFG the squats they do.
retro-steve
01-18-2008, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by DTTB_36
Is not the whole basis of sports "war". Who would win in a fight?
Also to the guy who made my edit -> you are smart!
That was meant for me, I spelled it wrong so I edited my own post and explained why I edited it, wasn't an attack on you :)
DTTB_36
01-18-2008, 12:24 PM
lol no prob
lunch time!!
ralliart_girl
01-18-2008, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh
did you watch the video? Driving a F1 car definitely takes more intense physical ability, coupled with mongoose like reflexes.
yea, I agree. It's not like anyone has every seen a fat F1 driver...haha
kerry
01-18-2008, 02:05 PM
F1 is an intense sport. Those guys lose tonnes of water weight in a single race. It does require insane reflexes and long periods of mental exertion.
Therefore, IMHO, it's just as much of a sport as MMA, Boxing, Football, Hockey, Tennis... etc etc.
Tell your friend F1's too classy for him ;)
heavyD
01-18-2008, 02:44 PM
How can you compare when one is stationary and one is full motion contact? Is it about reflexes and stamina or strength and speed?
NFL players are freaks. Many are massive and extreamely fast. I'm sorry but if I have to choose between a scrawny Jacques Villeneuve or Terrel Owens who is an amazing physical specimen I'll take T.O. 100 out of 100 times.
I'm willing to bet the average person could get in F1 (conditioning) shape much, much faster than NFL (conditioning and weight training) condition. I can jog every day for 6 months straight and get my endurance up very high. It would take years for me to get into NFL condition and I still may never be able to get there and I've already got the brawn.
I think F1 and something like Tennis would be a better comparison. One sport is driving and one takes such a physical toll on the body that players don't even practice for a day or two after games.
kertejud2
01-18-2008, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by heavyD
How can you compare when one is stationary and one is full motion contact? Is it about reflexes and stamina or strength and speed?
That's pretty much the point, but somehow you still managed to come up with this...
NFL players are freaks. Many are massive and extreamely fast. I'm sorry but if I have to choose between a scrawny Jacques Villeneuve or Terrel Owens who is an amazing physical specimen I'll take T.O. 100 out of 100 times.
What if you're choosing athletes for a cross country road race or a rally circuit? Why make this statement right after you say you can't compare the two because of the different needs of their sport?
I'm willing to bet the average person could get in F1 (conditioning) shape much, much faster than NFL (conditioning and weight training) condition. I can jog every day for 6 months straight and get my endurance up very high. It would take years for me to get into NFL condition and I still may never be able to get there and I've already got the brawn.
If conditioning was the only thing required to be an F1 driver, there would be a pretty big talent pool, this comparison doesn't make alot of sense. Obviously strength conditioning is much more important to one sport than the other. I bet it would take a few years for LT to become an Olympic curling skip, does that mean Randy Ferbey is a better athlete than LT?
I think F1 and something like Tennis would be a better comparison.
Why is this a better comparison? Why isn't football and tennis a better comparison? Or Football and pro wrestling (this one is actually pretty good).
One sport is driving and one takes such a physical toll on the body that players don't even practice for a day or two after games.
One sport requires split-second timing, unflinching nerve where the slightest shake in concentration can be life threatening, the other is a bunch of guys tossing a ball around.
Who knew spin can be applied to the sporting world as well.
footballer
01-18-2008, 03:33 PM
football +1 .
heavyD
01-18-2008, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by kertejud2
One sport requires split-second timing, unflinching nerve where the slightest shake in concentration can be life threatening
Well I've driven in snow storms which required the same attention and timing and mistakes could be life threatening.
Who knew spin can be applied to the everday world as well.
;)
The original poster was comparing athletic ability. It's not even close IMO.
Originally posted by footballer
football +1 .
Ha, gathered that from your name....
kertejud2
01-18-2008, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by heavyD
The original poster was comparing athletic ability. It's not even close IMO.
This all depends on what one considers athletic ability. I'd say its alot easier for a person to find a spot on a football team than be able to be an F1 driver. Or are you trying to tell me that the likes of David Akers and Brian Moorman are unquestionably better athletes than F1 drivers?
DTTB_36
01-18-2008, 04:12 PM
Yep, it's easy to make the NFL...
kertejud2
01-18-2008, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by DTTB_36
Yep, it's easy to make the NFL...
If a retired Aussie Rules player can make it, loads of athletes around the world can :thumbsup:
ZorroAMG
01-18-2008, 04:33 PM
The 2 top conditioned athletes:
F1/dakar drivers
Soccer players
Trini
01-18-2008, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by ZorroAMG
The 2 top conditioned athletes:
F1/dakar drivers
Soccer players
thow in those who take part in a triathlon there and I would say WRC drivers too
DTTB_36
01-18-2008, 04:42 PM
iron man :dunno:
seems like a pretty intense race to me
DTTB_36
01-18-2008, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by ZorroAMG
The 2 top conditioned athletes:
F1/dakar drivers
Soccer players
Too bad most soccer players have no balls
heavyD
01-18-2008, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by ZorroAMG
The 2 top conditioned athletes:
F1/dakar drivers
Soccer players
Conditioned athlete, faster athlete, stronger athlete. We're beating a dead horse. There's just too much grey area.
I am already much stronger than the average man and still stand by my theory that I could get into F1 condition easier than NFL condition. And I mean that physical, strength, speed, and endurance conditioning.
DTTB_36
01-18-2008, 05:11 PM
I am much stronger than the average man, and play university ball. I could never get in NFL shape, some stuff is all genetics. They are freaks of nature.
5hift
01-18-2008, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by rage2
Driving a F1 car isn't just about hanging on for dear life. You're subjected to a lot of forces. 2.5g's of force accelerating, 5g's of force braking, 3.5g's of lateral acceleration cornering.
So if an F1 driver weighs 140lbs, everytime he accelerates, it's like having a 350lbs push against you. Everytime he brakes, it's a 700lb push on the back. Everytime he turns, it's 490lbs of push. Like I said, it's like getting body checked or tackled 600 times over the course of a race with no breaks.
I never said driving a F1 is about hanging on for dear life. I equated that to MotoGP, which I said is even tougher than F1 (if you want to strictly compare racing). I realize while driving a F1 car you are subjected to many difference forces, but you are subjected to them while sitting, strapped down in a seat. You cannot compare sustaining g-forces while strapped down, to a QB getting nailed from the blindside by a 270 lb linebacker who leaves his feet and goes vertical like a human missile straight into his back. The QB doesn’t have a seatbelt to hold him in place; he has nothing to break his fall besides other guys falling down as well. Look at any big QB sack, the QB’s neck almost always viciously snaps back. I’m pretty sure that doesn’t happen in F1 with the head support those seats have.
Originally posted by simke
It is hard to compare these two. In football you require more strength for short periods of time since you are not really playing 3hrs. Some football players are in awesome shape while there are some linebackers that are not, but still know how to push people around, which is a skill too I guess.
Yeah game time is probably about an hour. But the game stretches out over 3 hours. Do you know what a linebacker even does? I challenge you to find me a linebacker in the NFL not in great shape? Pushing people around a skill …lol on a typical blitz play, a linebacker calls several audibles to adjust the defence to the offensive formation. Then they have to slip between mammoth linemen, push off a fullback whose sole purpose is to knock them out, get by backs trying to chop block them at the knees, and get to the QB, before he throws the ball. Do that over and over throughout the game, for defence and special teams and talk about conditioning. Linebackers have to have speed to run with skill players, yet they have to have the strength to go in the trenches and battle with the big boys… Its probably one of the toughest positions to play, and is a lot more than “pushing people around”.
Originally posted by benyl
Run fast? I would agree some people on the football team need to run fast. Those 400lb fat dudes cannot run fast.
Decision making in football happens at probably 1/10th of the speed of F1.
F1 requires Hand, foot and eye co-ordination. All of that controlled by a brain working at warp speed.
As other people have said, in F1, you body get beat to crap by the G forces. The seats are made of carbon and don't "cushion" the blows. The equivalent would the quarter back being tackled by the biggest line backer every 20 seconds of a football game with not intermissions.
Most of “those 400lb fat dudes” would very easily run you down. On some running plays out in the open, and on screen plays, the huge guys are running pretty fast, leading the blocks. The position they play requires them to act as a wall between d-linemen and linebackers; obviously they are going to have to be huge. If a 6’9 280 lb monster is putting on a serious pass rush, in order to stop/slow him down using only your leverage (so you don’t get a penalty) you have to be even bigger. If you want to see true toughness check out the battle going on in the trenches.
Decision-making in football happens at the same speed as F1. You cannot tell me the same decisiveness is not shown when Tom Brady pulls a play action and then checks through 4 receiving options, hitting the only uncovered last, in under 3 seconds, all while shifting around in the pocket avoiding the sack, and when he can see someone like Ray Lewis barrelling down at him. Oh yeah, this is while he’s in a stadium louder than a jumbo jet taking off, with 80,000+ screaming at him.
Also using your justification of skill, we could say some video games require the same skill set as F1, are those video gamer guys athletes as well? I mean they have their own league and everything.
You cannot compare G forces to a huge QB sack. If a Qb gets sacked hard, he’s out of the game, possibly with a concussion, sometimes broken bones. How many F1 drivers, get out of their car at the end of a race with a concussion and broken bones. Your tackling equivalence would only be fair if the QB was strapped down like the F1 guy.
Originally posted by kertejud2
BTW, football players are not world class athletes. Some are, but most are just bodybuilders who run around. They're basically rugby players without the toughness or stamina (not to mention any international prop can squat and clean more than any NFL offensive lineman despite being a fraction of the weight.
Football players are world class athletes, the only people who would say other wise are those who have not played the game. Rugby players without the toughness or stamina? Are you for real? I’ve played both Rugby and Football and the level of contact isn’t even close. In football they have direct hits, where the player leads with his helmet or shoulder and they go head to head. In rugby its tackling is almost always down by pulling someone down from the side or behind. In rugby it’s also almost always arm tackles. The name eludes me, but I also remember one of the better All Blacks trying out for a NFL team a few years back. Best he could do was the practice roster for special teams. No stamina? Tell that to some linebackers that are on the field for every defensive and special team play.
NFLers are actual athletes, where as F1 racers are more conditioned to handle bad elements for long periods of time. There is a big difference between actually running, blocking, tackling out on a field using only your own body, and sitting in the shade of the cockpit, just handling the conditions driving fast puts on the body, while the engine does the work to make the sport exciting.
Originally posted by kerry
It does require insane reflexes and long periods of mental exertion.
Therefore, IMHO, it's just as much of a sport as MMA, Boxing, Football, Hockey, Tennis... etc etc.
So does competing in halo tournaments in those gaming tournaments. We going to call a bunch of pimply-faced teens athletes too now?
As already mentioned multiple times they are too different to compare. You put Tom Brady in a F1 car and he’ll probably crash on the first turn. You put Schumacher out to return a punt and he’ll probably wake up partially paralysed in a hospital two days later.
Originally posted by kertejud2
What if you're choosing athletes for a cross country road race or a rally circuit? Why make this statement right after you say you can't compare the two because of the different needs of their sport?
One sport requires split-second timing, unflinching nerve where the slightest shake in concentration can be life threatening, the other is a bunch of guys tossing a ball around.
Regardless of any type of competition where both athletes had to actually use their own legs, someone like Terrell Owens would beat any F1 driver in any kind of competition. 100 m, cross country, marathon, climbing a wall, jumping hurdles any physical competition between the two, and your “heavily conditioned” F1 driver will be gasping for air trying to keep up.
Bunch of guys tossing a ball around? What is your great sport of rugby then? At least football requires some intelligence, and strategy not just forming an angled line and tossing the ball backwards before someone arm tackles you while sneaking a nut grab.
Originally posted by kertejud2
This all depends on what one considers athletic ability. I'd say its alot easier for a person to find a spot on a football team than be able to be an F1 driver. Or are you trying to tell me that the likes of David Akers and Brian Moorman are unquestionably better athletes than F1 drivers?
Your comparing individual players with specialized roles on a team sport to just one position of another team sport. On a F1 racing team, there is more to the team than just the driver, yet because the driver is obviously the best athlete on the team your only referring to him. You can make a F1 team easily too as part of the pit crew. If you are only considering the best athletic position on the F1 team, it would only be fair to do the same the NFL team. Compare any wide receiver/cornerback to a racer.
Originally posted by kertejud2
If a retired Aussie Rules player can make it, loads of athletes around the world can :thumbsup:
Its one thing to make the team, NFL rosters are huge, usually one team will have 3 rosters, its another to see a minute of playing time
Dooms_Bane
01-18-2008, 05:46 PM
this is a pretty interesting arguement hehe
good topic!
sh0ko
01-18-2008, 06:17 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6980337.stm
=)
"The Finn has a resting heart beat of 58 beats per minute but his average rate during the race rises to 170 - the same as a marathon runner - before the adrenaline pushes it even higher.
"At the start, when I'm looking at the lights, I'm not moving a single muscle, but my heart rate is 185-90, which is close to my maximum," adds Kovalainen
"
isnt f1 training supposed to be comparable to fighter pilot training (iuno.. correct me if im wrong... just saw it from a show) i mean... wouldnt 2-4g's or more constantly taking its toll on ur body be pretty tiring?! id seem to think so....
iuno.. heidfeld seems to be working purely on his reflexes on that machine !? (iuno how ppl say f1 dosent require much too much on reaction time...300km/hr aint exactly something id like to be doing while trying to think/react fast
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kimi training?!:
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but everybody knows this is REALLY how f1 pilots train
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just my 2 cents.... i mean,,,,every sport has its difficulties
kertejud2
01-18-2008, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by 5hift
Yeah game time is probably about an hour. But the game stretches out over 3 hours.
Well the maximum game time is a hour unless there is overtime. But considering the 40 second play clock and the fact that there aren't any two-way NFLers, the amount of time a player is actually moving is very little. But if the game stretches out to 3 hours it must be strenuous. Why else would we need world class athletes with oxygen masks on?
Football players are world class athletes, the only people who would say other wise are those who have not played the game.
Some are top class athletes, but ignoring all the specialist positions, the comparatives aren't all that flattering for the gridiron folk. Jonah Lomu could run an 11 second 100m sprint and he's 6'5'' 250lbs, and he wasn't even the fastest player on his team not to mention he was a product of the amateur era. There are at least 3 rugby players who were Olympic medalists in sprinting to boot.
Rugby players without the toughness or stamina? Are you for real? I’ve played both Rugby and Football and the level of contact isn’t even close.
Well if you've played NA club rugby you must know what you're talking about. Just like how my high school rugby experience made me an expert on the NFL.
In football they have direct hits, where the player leads with his helmet or shoulder and they go head to head. In rugby its tackling is almost always down by pulling someone down from the side or behind. In rugby it’s also almost always arm tackles.
This is mostly because in football they have padding. Its kind of stupid for a rugby player to go for a head to head tackle. When I played in London, a teammate of mine told me he felt dissapointed if he couldn't break somebody's ribs every game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc0Ut5y-GRc
Of course some of these are illegal hits, but so are helmet on helmet tackles in football. Tackling in rugby is a much more technical art, you can't just throw your body at people.
The name eludes me, but I also remember one of the better All Blacks trying out for a NFL team a few years back. Best he could do was the practice roster for special teams.[/b]
If LT or Terrell Owens went over to practice for a Guinness Premiership team they wouldn't get signed either. But I'd expect Johnny Wilkinson could kick for any team in the NFL.
No stamina? Tell that to some linebackers that are on the field for every defensive and special team play.
When they're on the field for a full 80 minutes on defense AND offense, talk to me about their stamina.
You put Schumacher out to return a punt and he’ll probably wake up partially paralysed in a hospital two days later.
I'd just tell him to call for a fair catch, Schumacher wins!
Bunch of guys tossing a ball around? What is your great sport of rugby then?
Clearly you missed the point of my post. Here, I'll do curling and rugby to see if you can get it this time around. One is a sport which requires pinpoint precision, where millimetres can mean the difference between victory and defeat, where a missweep or a misjudgement of angles, weight or speed sends the team home, the other is a bunch of guys tossing a ball around.
At least football requires some intelligence, and strategy not just forming an angled line and tossing the ball backwards before someone arm tackles you while sneaking a nut grab.
In 2003 when England won the World Cup, they had 60 lineout calls. Their backs had about 3 dozen plays and none of this takes into account the kickoff plays, scrum plays, plays off a ruck, maul or calls in tactical situations. These guys don't have 40 seconds to choose this play (correction, to hear the play called to them through a headset), they literally need to make them on the run. They also don't get timeouts in case they think the defense in front of them is too tough.
Its one thing to make the team, NFL rosters are huge, usually one team will have 3 rosters, its another to see a minute of playing time
Who's talking about a practice roster player? I'm talking about the starting punters for the Jets and Cowboys.
DTTB_36
01-18-2008, 06:54 PM
Everyone knows that kickers & punters aren't football players. They just kick.
kertejud2
01-18-2008, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by DTTB_36
Everyone knows that kickers & punters aren't football players. They just kick.
Considering how many games are won and lost on a kick, I'd say they're positions that are taken for granted way too often. If they weren't vital to the team, they wouldn't waste roster spots on them.
5hift
01-18-2008, 06:58 PM
exactly. If your going to bring specialty positional players off a team, we should do it both ways. If your going to factor kickers into the argument, then we should factor guys from the pit crew in as well as they are part of the F1 racers team. I mean the pit crew is vital to the F1 team winning as well arent they?
kertejud2
01-18-2008, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by 5hift
exactly. If your going to bring specialty positional players off a team, we should do it both ways. If your going to factor kickers into the argument, then we should factor guys from the pit crew in as well as they are part of the F1 racers team.
Very well, they're part of the team. I'd say that a guy changing tires a few times a race does alot more physical work than a punter. Move faster as well.
In fact I bet if you put kickers and punters against pit crew members in physical activities, F1 wins.
hollywood_35
01-18-2008, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh
Its like saying which is more of a fruit, a pineapple or a banana.
An F1 driver.
alloroc
01-18-2008, 07:44 PM
The most physically demanding sports?
1.) Professional cyclist The Tour de France is the most grueling tournament in sports hands down.
2) Pro Motocross
3) Again a tie both motorsports, F1 and WRC Rally
4) Tie! Professional Hockey and Pro tennis
5) Another Tie though related - Pro boxing, Olympic srestling, and MMA
After that take your pick, football doesn't even make my list.
ZorroAMG
01-18-2008, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by heavyD
I am already much stronger than the average man and still stand by my theory that I could get into F1 condition easier than NFL condition. And I mean that physical, strength, speed, and endurance conditioning.
Ditto. I guess it's also subjective as in what athletes you admire most and physically would like to be like. I'm not the body type that will ever get WWE fit without da juice but ripped with strength and endurance I can.
You are right, there are too many variables. :)
hassanc21
01-25-2008, 08:20 PM
Interesting thread.
Some people have their opinions and are going to stick to them, no matter what.
Race drivers (F1 or NASCAR) Have great strength endurance, and fast reactions to keep their cars on the road. It's no doubt physically demanding (more than most people who read this thread can imagine).
Football (a sport I have more experience and knowledge about), takes speed, power, agility, reaction, and quickness.
It's an anaerobic sport and because it is, alot of people who play rugby and soccer, don't respect it. However, I played rugby for many years before playing football and can tell you a hit in football can be more devastating, even with all the equipment on.
Deciding who is more of an athlete depends on what your definition of an athlete is.
On another note: there aren't any 400lb guys in the NFL (that I know of). However Those 300 lb + O-linemen that most people discount as fatties, are more athletic than you might realize. One example is Chargers Left Tackle Marcus McNeil. He is 6'7" 336lbs and is the best Basketball player on the team (Yes better than Antonio Gates). Not to mention at left tackle he has to deal with the league's best pass rushers while paving the road for the two time NFL rushing title-holder. Here are a few of his past athletic accolades:
High School:
SuperPrep All-America at Cedar Grove High School in Ellenwood, Georgia…selected to play in Georgia-Florida High School All-Star Game…played offensive and defensive line while also lettering in baseball, basketball and track…finished second in state in shot put.
College:
Consensus All-America selection as senior…first-team All-SEC as junior and senior…between 2002 and 2006 Capital One Bowl, played string of 43 consecutive games without allowing quarterback sack…during junior season, named SEC Lineman of Week following game against Kentucky and Auburn Player of Game following contest against Citadel…named to 2002 SEC All-Freshman Team by The Sporting News and conference coaches…played at Auburn from 2002-05…majored in adult education.
Also, don't forget this 6'7" 336lber can probably run a 40 yard dash in 5.07 seconds ( It's a lot faster than some of you might think). Not to mention the footwork speed to keep up with speed rushers coming off the edge.
Notice I didn't use a typical football example like LT, or TO. But I used on of the larger guys in the league.
Still, this argument doesn't help compare the F1 driver to a football player. I guess one way to tell would be to get each to try their hand at the other sport and see how well they do.
My guess is it would take LT less time to learn how to drive an F1 car than it would take an F1 driver to learn how to play in an NFL game. (although I doubt either one would be very successful at the other on the pro level).
Point is: This is just a pissing contest between F1 fans and football fans. No one's going to win, they'll just be a little more dehydrated.
Now I'm going to get a drink and wish I had the last half hour back to do something more productive.
footballer
01-25-2008, 08:54 PM
OKOK Lets get some facts out of the way.
Skill Wise: +1 F1 drivers, +1 to quarterbacks
Speed: +1 F1 Cars, +1 to Wide Receivers, Runningbacks (They have been known to run a faster 40 yard dash then olympic athletes)
Agility: See above If you know another sport where a player can make even come close to making a more devastating cut than the following people let me know:
BARRY SANDERS
DEION SANDERS
MIKE VICK
ADRIAN PETERSON
Endurance: +1 F1 drivers, +1 to Wide receivers, Runningbacks
Ok i'm pretty sure that there is more of a chance that an average person will master driving over proffessional football.
Why? You can teach a person how to drive, but you can't teach a person how to jump 45 inches or run a 4.2 40 yard dash.
Ok so now back to the question. Which is more of a sport. Lets get out a dictionary.
1. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
Ok its close on this one, but i'm going to say football because in my opinion its more of a physical activity.
2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
Pretty much the same as the other, i'm going to say football.
3. An active pastime; recreation.
Well i'm pretty sure more people play football then go race each other competitively.
So... Football is more of a sport according to my set of criteria.
BTW Football players > soccer players.
They are faster, stronger, bigger, and go full speed.
Soccer people think they run for 90 minutes straight but watch a soccer game on tv. They don't run very much, jogging yes, walking yes, running full speed? sometimes but never all the players.
I have played both sports and can say this with 100% confidence.
Trini
01-25-2008, 09:17 PM
soccer players dont need no huge upper body strength..and it depends on the area of the field you play as well mid field guys do the most running in a match and you cant slack off at all got to watch the game every second...
an american football match is four 15min quarters and have time outs..a soccer match is two 45 min. halves no time outs only a minute or two for a rest if there is an injury or subsitution, with the 15 minute half time break and extra time in some cases of up to 30 mins and the added stress of a penalty shoot out.
and there must be a reason why soccer is the most popular sport in the world..go to a soccer match and you will see the passion of the game and how an entire nation can put aside their differences to support the national team.
one more thing it is only N.America who refer to it as soccer...football is the correct term..dont go to england and say soccer they'll have ur head:rofl: :rofl:
962 kid
01-25-2008, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by DTTB_36
An average d-lineman weighes 300+ and and full speed will result in an explosive force.
calling a 300 lb lump of meat an athlete is like calling a 3600 lb NASCAR billboard a race car.
Antonito
01-25-2008, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by 962 kid
calling a 300 lb lump of meat an athlete is like calling a 3600 lb NASCAR billboard a race car.
Most linemen at 300+ pounds can outrun pretty much anyone off the street. And then there is the sheer amount of muscle to go with it
Trini
01-25-2008, 10:01 PM
^true that some big guys move pretty fast, it'll be a shock to u:nut:
Darkane
01-25-2008, 10:43 PM
:rofl:
Poll time.. Has anyone who chose F1 ever played ball? hahah
Have any of the rugby players ever played football? I bet the answer is mostly NO
Only the people who played football appreciate it. I once circled on a kickoff return and blindsided someone completely clean hit. I hit him so hard he was removed from the game, and I heard didn't play the rest of the yeah. My result? I dislocated my right shoulder and tore 2 ligaments in my wrist. That's impact. I don't give a shit about G's. They are Gradual, even if it 1 second, it's not INSTANT.
/Done
A football player would never be able to wrap their head around this:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NPICS1/OLY_F1PICS/_1313749_L.JPG
All in good fun :)
footballer
01-25-2008, 11:49 PM
The 300 lb "fat guys" are actually tremendous athletes. Actually most of them now are 330-370 lbs. And a 5 second 40 yard dash time is fast compared to us normal folk.
Not to mention a guy name Dwight Freeney. 4.3 second 40 yard dash. The guy weighs 280 lbs.
svtlight
01-25-2008, 11:55 PM
lol american football vs football.. what a great invention. Catch a ball and run with it! WOW!!! Such amazing skill LOL
I also love how they stole the name "football" with their crappy sport. Genius. I pray that soccer never goes big in america, they will ruin it with advertising/commercials. Greedy fucks.
Originally posted by svtlight
lol american football vs football.. what a great invention. Catch a ball and run with it! WOW!!! Such amazing skill LOL
I also love how they stole the name "football" with their crappy sport. Genius. I pray that soccer never goes big in america, they will ruin it with advertising/commercials. Greedy fucks.
Please do not bring soccer into this thread. We are talking about sports which MEN compete in, not a sport where a player gets tapped and the stretcher is on standby.
5hift
01-26-2008, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by Trini
soccer players dont need no huge upper body strength..and it depends on the area of the field you play as well mid field guys do the most running in a match and you cant slack off at all got to watch the game every second...
an american football match is four 15min quarters and have time outs..a soccer match is two 45 min. halves no time outs only a minute or two for a rest if there is an injury or subsitution, with the 15 minute half time break and extra time in some cases of up to 30 mins and the added stress of a penalty shoot out.
and there must be a reason why soccer is the most popular sport in the world..go to a soccer match and you will see the passion of the game and how an entire nation can put aside their differences to support the national team.
one more thing it is only N.America who refer to it as soccer...football is the correct term..dont go to england and say soccer they'll have ur head:rofl: :rofl:
Once again someone gives his opinion without actually having a clue.
Yes American football is not as non-stop running as soccer. But stop trying to make it look like they just stand around. The only reason there is a break in-between the 1-2 and the 3-4 quarters is because the teams need to switch sides to guarantee a level playing field, and the entire break they get is switching sides. And yes soccer does require more running, but not more energy. It takes a lot more energy to push off someone trying to block you, while tackling someone else, than it does to run down a soccer field chasing a ball. Multiply that over the course of an entire game and you will expend a lot more energy in football. I’ve played both football and soccer at the high school level, and soccer for Chinooks Div 1 and the college level. Soccer is MUCH easier. My high school football was more intense than collegiate level soccer.
And Soccer is only the most popular sport in the world because it costs nothing to play. Kids growing up in poor cities just need a ball and an open space. Growing up playing this, obviously you’re going to identify with it when watching sports later on when you’re older. Why do you think soccer is not that popular in Canada/US? Kids can afford to play better sports and they do so.
I'd refer to soccer as soccer in England any time. A country that invented the sport, but cannot even make the Euro Cup because the players have no heart tells you all you need to know. All they care about is their big paychecks from their club teams. England not qualifying for the world cup, is like Canada not qualifying for hockey in the olympics.
Originally posted by 962 kid
calling a 300 lb lump of meat an athlete is like calling a 3600 lb NASCAR billboard a race car.
Once again, someone without a clue. Those 300+lb linemen are probably the toughest athletes in the world. You would wake up in the hospital 3 days later after one play in the trenches. Don’t discredit the challenge of playing this position and what it takes to play it.
Originally posted by rmk
A football player would never be able to wrap their head around this:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NPICS1/OLY_F1PICS/_1313749_L.JPG
All in good fun :)
You don’t think a football player would be able to understand a steering wheel with like 20 buttons? Ok yeah I guess that 300 page playbook that Peyton Manning has memorized isn’t as complicated as knowing what 20 different color coded buttons do.
If you looked at a NFL playbook, or heard a play call from the offensive coordinator, you would think it’s a foreign language. Players like Manning and Brady, not only know their playbook by heart, but they know all the opposing teams playbooks by heart, to the point where they can recognize a defence’s play and audible to counter it in a few seconds.
Originally posted by svtlight
lol american football vs football.. what a great invention. Catch a ball and run with it! WOW!!! Such amazing skill LOL
I also love how they stole the name "football" with their crappy sport. Genius. I pray that soccer never goes big in america, they will ruin it with advertising/commercials. Greedy fucks.
Actually “America style Football” is called football because originally they played with a soccer ball. American Football emerged because soccer players were frustrated playing a game where you could only use your feet (plus even they realized how gay soccer was) and they started picking up the ball and running with it. The shape of the ball was changed to egg shape after the game had moved to the US and been played for about 75 years.
Originally posted by rmk
Please do not bring soccer into this thread. We are talking about sports which MEN compete in, not a sport where a player gets tapped and the stretcher is on standby.
So true, I used to really love playing soccer, but never really watched it. The more I watched it, the more I lost respect for it. Soccer is the only major organized sport where there are a handful of teams that have every talented player and they just kick the shit out of everyone else. Also it is the only sport I have seen where players regularly fake injuries. I don’t remember what game it was, but that Dida goalie guy’s team was losing a game. A fan ran onto the field and playfully slapped Dida and ran off. Dida chased the fan for 3 steps and then fell, holding up the game and needing to get carried away on a stretcher. Later he was fined for faking an injury. Philip Rivers played the AFC Championship game on a torn ACL and still almost won the game without complaining once. So many players play NFL games with broken bones, that would be a 3-month stint on the injury list for a soccer player.
Lets talk about what sport has the real men.
Originally posted by 5hift
You don’t think a football player would be able to understand a steering wheel with like 20 buttons? Ok yeah I guess that 300 page playbook that Peyton Manning has memorized isn’t as complicated as knowing what 20 different color coded buttons do.
If you looked at a NFL playbook, or heard a play call from the offensive coordinator, you would think it’s a foreign language. Players like Manning and Brady, not only know their playbook by heart, but they know all the opposing teams playbooks by heart, to the point where they can recognize a defence’s play and audible to counter it in a few seconds.
You must have missed at the bottem where it says all in good fun. Lighten up, bud.
5hift
01-26-2008, 01:57 PM
yeah I know yours was more of a joke/jab, but reading what some of the clowns in here are saying, they probably actually would believe it to be true
Antonito
01-26-2008, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by svtlight
lol american football vs football.. what a great invention. Catch a ball and run with it! WOW!!! Such amazing skill LOL
I also love how they stole the name "football" with their crappy sport. Genius. I pray that soccer never goes big in america, they will ruin it with advertising/commercials. Greedy fucks.
Wait, you mean soccer that has brand advertisement front and center on the jerseys?
:rofl:
Trini
01-26-2008, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by Antonito
Wait, you mean soccer that has brand advertisement front and center on the jerseys?
:rofl:
:confused: whats wrong with that? other sports have their sponsor names on the team kit it accepted
Antonito
01-27-2008, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by Trini
:confused: whats wrong with that? other sports have their sponsor names on the team kit it accepted
I don't care, I was just saying, Pot, Kettle, Black.
JordanEG6
01-27-2008, 02:15 AM
Originally posted by 962 kid
calling a 300 lb lump of meat an athlete is like calling a 3600 lb NASCAR billboard a race car.
Not that I am taking sides, but there are lots of 300+ lb linemen that can outrun althetes half their weight. Just because they are heavy, don't assume they sit on their ass, eat and then let themselves go until gameday. They are big for a reason. Like all althetes, they HAVE to be physically conditioned for gameplay.
Any how, the 2 are very different sports and simply IMO, can't compare them. Each have factors that are mentally and physically straining. I'm not going to repeat them because there are plenty of good points in this thread that make either sport a "sport".
Originally posted by rmk
...not a sport where a player gets tapped and the stretcher is on standby.
Or a sport where they bite each others balls after they score...
Roadrage
01-29-2008, 01:55 PM
Wouldn't a thread about if F1 or NASCAR is more a sport be a more comparable one?
IMHO, it all depends on what each person perceives and defines as an athlete which therefore dictates which one is more of a sport.
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