Phaneuf deal official!

[buh_buh]

6 years, 39 million. Sutter on the Fan right now

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=229011&hubname=

[Altezza]

Great news!

[slick2404]

wow thats quite a bit...but good to hear we got em long term!

[shadowz]

Just heard it on the fan too, pretty funny, one of the reporters asked sutter if this was a home town discount and he responded "if you were paid 39 million to stay in town would you call that a home down discount?" lol

[lexIS300]

deff what i expected him to sign for. i think it was a good move to lock him up. i think he would have gotten more $ if he tested the market.

[TaiChino]

Thats great we keep him, I would have thought a young guy like that looking for greener pastures/something other than Calgary poon, but good. Now he has to work on (as of late) keeping pucks out of the net/slot instead of just hitting players and blasting point shots (which are great things to do, don't get me wrong)

[98type_r]

He's a great defenseman, but I don't think he's worth THAT much

[Jlude]

Originally posted by shadowz
Just heard it on the fan too, pretty funny, one of the reporters asked sutter if this was a home town discount and he responded "if you were paid 39 million to stay in town would you call that a home down discount?" lol


Who the hell could call that a hometown discount... 6.5/yr... to stay in one of the best hockey towns around!?!? :rofl: :rofl:

[SilverRex]

haha the two goal last night must have put sutter on the fense, maybe that offer was still to be negotiated. lol

[eb0i]

So goodbye Langkow, Huselius, etc. for next year.

[Ajay]

$6.5 million average per year is great for Phaneuf. I'm wondering if we'll be seeing a Tanguay trade in the near future. Lots of salary tied up in so few players for next year if Tanguay doesn't get moved.

[bigboom]

im not sure he is worth that kind of money at the moment...maybe in a year or two but oh well, gotta show em that you want them around for the long term.

[three.eighteen.]

Originally posted by three.eighteen.





i say if he refuses to sign for less than 6.5, wait for an offer sheet to come along, we could use 4 or 5 1st rounders

i guess darryl reads beyond ;)

[8Ball]

no nhl player is worth that much. thats retarded amounts of money. hell... no athlete is worth that much.

am I jealous?... maybe :)

[irs]

Great! Another great player stay's!

[Ajay]

Originally posted by 8Ball
no nhl player is worth that much. thats retarded amounts of money. hell... no athlete is worth that much.

am I jealous?... maybe :)

I agree with this completely but it's fans like us that create these huge salaries. I figured he would get at least $6 million a year just because the Flames know he'll only get better and they want to lock him up long term. When this expires it'll be interesting to see what his value is at that time.

Well at least it's not like MLB. A-Rod getting $27.5 million a year or Santana getting $23 million a year for six years.

[98type_r]

Originally posted by eb0i
So goodbye Langkow, Huselius, etc. for next year.

Yeah, the old debate used to be which of the two do you try and sign for next year. With out current payroll we very likely won't be able to keep either.

But yeah, nothing is as rediculous as MLB salaries. There you have DH's making $6 million... I mean come on, you have on average 4 at bats a game and no defensive skill, how is that worth as much as some of your highest paid hockey players.

[shadowz]

It makes sense what Daryl said theyre not paying for the player he is now, for what they expect him to be

[syeve]

Of course he is worth that much, his income is based on his replace ability.

[TaiChino]

I dont think a defensemen should be paid 6.5, I mean, he is good, but Regehr makes what, 3.5? I say 5 at the most. We should be focusing our cap on signing good forwards. Dont get me wrong, a good defensive core is a necessity but like I said, Regehr is a great example of effectiveness - salary.

[TaiChino]

MLB salaries are outrageous, but considering the fan-base in the US, the size of the stadiums and a 162 game season, the logistics are there.

[SilverGS]

I bit higher then I was hoping for but also longer term than what I thought we would sign him to. If we end up trading Tangauy we will still have room for Juice or Lanks. Especially when the talk is that the cap is moving up to 5xmillion next year

We are currently commited to 38 million cap space next year with a lot of people to sign but if Tanguay is traded and assuming we don't have a 5 million guy coming back there will be room to sign at least one of the two.

[Rat Fink]

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[98type_r]

Originally posted by TaiChino
I dont think a defensemen should be paid 6.5, I mean, he is good, but Regehr makes what, 3.5? I say 5 at the most. We should be focusing our cap on signing good forwards. Dont get me wrong, a good defensive core is a necessity but like I said, Regehr is a great example of effectiveness - salary.

My thoughts exactly, lately it seems like all the GM's have gone crazy with their chequebooks.

[coolstoryhansel]

Tanguay (5.25) - Lombardi (1.817) - Iginla (7)
??? - ??? - Boyd (0.742)
Nilson (1) - Primeau (1.4) - Moss (0.55)
??? - ??? - ???
ext: ???

Regehr (4) - Sarich (3.6)
Phaneuf (6.5) - Eriksson (1.5)
Aucoin (4) - Warrener (2.35)
ext: ???

Kiprusoff (5.833)
???

UFA: Huselius, Langkow, Conroy, Nolan, Yelle, Godard, Smith, Hale, CuJo

RFA: Nystrom, McElhinney


TOTAL: $45.542M on 14 players

Assuming an upper cap limit of $54.5M next year, there is less than $9M to spend for the remaining 8 players.

Let's also assume the 4th line players and backup goalie earns about $750k and the pressbox players earn about $500k. That leaves less than $5M to spend on 2 top-6 forwards.

Sutter should be able to sign one of Langkow or Huselius at about $4M but that is not a lot of breathing room.

I'm thinking one (or both) of Aucoin's or Warrener's contract is traded/bought out for more breathing room.

[alloroc]

I think they should try Phaneuf on the wing for just one period to see shat happens to the opposing defensemen.

[gofastmerc]

Originally posted by alloroc
I think they should try Phaneuf on the wing for just one period to see shat happens to the opposing defensemen.


I've thought of that too. He might be good up there.

I'm glad this one is done. Who's next?

[rmk]

Dion is the future. Who gives a shit if he is a D man. Hell, he scored two goals last night. Worth every penny.

He wasn't going anywhere either. The signing was inevitable.

[88CRX]

Great signing.... worth every penny.

$6.5mill will be a bargain in a couple seasons when he's winning Norris trophies.

[Idratherbsidewayz]

Ill cry if Huselius has to go...

[rmk]

Also, enjoy Dion while he is here. When that contract is up, he is a Ranger.

[Team_Mclaren]

Originally posted by rmk
Also, enjoy Dion while he is here. When that contract is up, he is a Ranger.

who knows wtf is gonna happen in 6 years... you are looking WAYY too far.

Not to mention a newCBA is due in 2011. To say a club can spend any amount of money for a player is near impossible, it rarely happens now, who knows what the cap is gonna be in 2011

[Ajay]

Originally posted by rmk
Also, enjoy Dion while he is here. When that contract is up, he is a Ranger.

Bold statement. In 6 years I don't see Phaneuf leaving simply for the money. At 28 years old he'll be entering the prime of his career and he'll want to either stick with the Flames if they're a top quality team (hopefully) or go to a team that's a contender and in 6 years time he'll be able to write his own ticket for sure.

[eb0i]

Originally posted by coolstoryhansel
Tanguay (5.25) - Lombardi (1.817) - Iginla (7)
??? - ??? - Boyd (0.742)
Nilson (1) - Primeau (1.4) - Moss (0.55)
??? - ??? - ???
ext: ???

Regehr (4) - Sarich (3.6)
Phaneuf (6.5) - Eriksson (1.5)
Aucoin (4) - Warrener (2.35)
ext: ???

Kiprusoff (5.833)
???

UFA: Huselius, Langkow, Conroy, Nolan, Yelle, Godard, Smith, Hale, CuJo

RFA: Nystrom, McElhinney


TOTAL: $45.542M on 14 players

Assuming an upper cap limit of $54.5M next year, there is less than $9M to spend for the remaining 8 players.

Let's also assume the 4th line players and backup goalie earns about $750k and the pressbox players earn about $500k. That leaves less than $5M to spend on 2 top-6 forwards.

Sutter should be able to sign one of Langkow or Huselius at about $4M but that is not a lot of breathing room.

I'm thinking one (or both) of Aucoin's or Warrener's contract is traded/bought out for more breathing room.

Great post it's like you own http://www.nhlnumbers.com or something ;):thumbsup:

[trieuth]

you think 6.5 is too much for phaneuf? do you think sarich is worth 3.6 or aucoin is worth 4? both those guys have done nothing so far. phaneuf for 6.5 is a steal

[Team_Mclaren]

some of you people are tools.

Redden gets 6.5mill too, do you think thats too much too compares to Phaneuf.

Or would you be more satisfy with someone like McCabe who gets 6mill, or Kubina for 5, or Jovanovski for 6, Morris for 4, Hamrlik for 5.5??? Aucoin and Sarich seem like a bragain now dont they.


Originally posted by trieuth
do you think sarich is worth 3.6 or aucoin is worth 4? both those guys have done nothing so far.

Sarich + Regehr is arguably he top shut down line in the league. Aucoin has 25 points and is +8. I wouldnt call either of them "useless"

[npham]

It's an overpayment, but there is some reasoning behind it. With offersheets becoming more and more popular, you need to protect your RFA more than ever. It might be overpayment, but not that much, maybe 1.0 to .50 million. That isn't much but there is two big fish that need to be re-signed and it gets that much hard now that 6.5 is locked up in Dion next year, or is it 7.5 next year....

For those that think it's not an overpayment, look at the money the top D-men are getting. Lidstrom at 7.45 and Chara at 7.5. This is putting him near the upper echelon of NHL defencemen. However, he is not developing like his rookie season. He has a big shot and plays a physical and exciting style that instantly makes him a fan favourite. But he has not been putting up his goal total from that first season in the league. He is on pace to break his career high assist total, but that's not what a big shot from the point should be translating to.

His development has stalled or is moving quite slowly for someone that is going to be making Lidstrom money soon. I know who I'd rather have at 7.5ish, a guy thats currently +46 and owns enough hardware(5 Norris) to make Tim the Toolman blush.

However, this deal may work out if cap room goes up, which it most definately will, and Phaneuf gets back on track and begins to develop his game further so he doesn't plateau.

[npham]

Originally posted by Team_Mclaren


Sarich + Regehr is arguably he top shut down line in the league. Aucoin has 25 points and is +8. I wouldnt call either of them "useless"

I believe that belongs to either Nicklas Lidstrom and Brian Rafalski or even Nieds and Pronger. Lets not get too carried away with thinking Sariach and Regeher are anywhere near the top in the league. But they are not useless, you are correct there.

[kertejud2]

Phaneuf wasn't going to sign for anything less than $6.5, this is a good deal for the Flames.

His agent knew that any team that wanted him would have offered at least that much, but more than likely would have offered $7M+ otherwise the Flames could match.

Replacing Langkow and/or Huselius will be much easier than replacing Phaneuf. 22 year old All-Star defensemen don't just pop up out of nowhere.

[SilverRex]

I think Phaneuf is wroth the money, though I dont think he is Lidstorm type stlyle player, but I definately like the in your face against every opponent style. It was right to compare to the likes ot Scott steven. Plus He is somewhere in between because he CAN put some numbers up.

As far as signage goes, the money left will only be enough to keep either langkow or juice, im thinking with trade rumors everywhere. Im quite sure sutter is trying to pull of something, and it may involve one of the two. I rather keep juice kuz of need him for shoot outs, 4 out 5 is pretty much a seal. we're not great in shootouts, can you imagine with out juice's 4 goals, we probablly wouldnt have won this many shootout games this year and a few points loss would have translate into out of a playoff spot looking in right now.

so keep juice, trade langkow for either a top prospect or a big rental player and make a push. my dream trade would be to yank Jokinen + picks from the panthers for say langkow, lambordi something in that specturm.

And rumors about something is happening with tampa may be true. I dont mind grabbing st. Louis back, as we are now more of a offensive minded team. I know we shouldnt, but with Phaneuf and regehr we should be alright. Aside, who knows maybe it may take both langkow and Juice for st. louis, of course some may say that is not a fair trade. but because of our cap room, it might may sense. beside Marty killed us with that overtime goal back in 04, and the biggest difference is, Marty is quite consistant. even when tampa is struggling and some nights richards and vicent isnt producing, Marty keeps it up. He can score clutches and playmakes.

Now with him and tanguay, it would make who ever the 3rd forward a very happy camper.

anyways, my 2cents :goflames:

[SilverRex]

Originally posted by kertejud2
Phaneuf wasn't going to sign for anything less than $6.5, this is a good deal for the Flames.

Replacing Langkow and/or Huselius will be much easier than replacing Phaneuf. 22 year old All-Star defensemen don't just pop up out of nowhere.


^^^

your bang on, the fact that he now has a intimidation factor against alot of team is also a huge impact. Like when you visit detroit, the name Lidstorm plays with your mind. And Phaneuf is no difference and I rather play against lidstorm than Phaneuf (just kuz of his physical side of play.

I think Key is usually how the Flames play in the first few minutes of the game, typically once the other team figures Flames is taking an off night, they take advantage and no longer cares how Phanuef does, but if the Flames starts with a bang, the rest of the game will be insanely a challenge for the opposition. Hope the team realize how important this is during each game.

Kinda reason why flames came back in the last outing because once Phaneuf factor comes into play and start to play in them minds of their opponent, shit happens.

anyways worth every penny

[coolstoryhansel]

Originally posted by Team_Mclaren
some of you people are tools.

Redden gets 6.5mill too, do you think thats too much too compares to Phaneuf.

What about Chris Pronger @ $6.25M per year? Do you think Phaneuf is better than him? Just trying to make a point that some players' salaries don't necessarily match their skillset. And in the Dion's case, he is overpaid NOW. However, if he can develop his defensive game and improve offensively, he will more likely be worth his weight in gold.



Originally posted by Team_Mclaren
Aucoin has 25 points and is +8. I wouldnt call either of them "useless"

Aucoin is not exactly useless but he is certainly not deserving of the $4M he is getting paid for this year and next. He is a 3rd pairing PP specialist at best and the Flames would be better off getting rid of his contract via trade.

[Team_Mclaren]

Originally posted by npham


I believe that belongs to either Nicklas Lidstrom and Brian Rafalski or even Nieds and Pronger. Lets not get too carried away with thinking Sariach and Regeher are anywhere near the top in the league. But they are not useless, you are correct there.

Lidstrom/Rafalski yes, but that is hardly a "shut down" line. Pronger and Niedermayer is a combine -10. You call that an effective shut down line?

Regeher and Sariach are out there every shift against opposition's best scoring line. Regeher plays for Team Canada, you dont think he's anywhere near the top in the league as far as defensive defenceman goes?

[TaiChino]

[i]Sarich + Regehr is arguably he top shut down line in the league. Aucoin has 25 points and is +8. I wouldnt call either of them "useless" [/B]

:werd:

[trieuth]

Originally posted by SilverRex
I think Phaneuf is wroth the money, though I dont think he is Lidstorm type stlyle player, but I definately like the in your face against every opponent style. It was right to compare to the likes ot Scott steven. Plus He is somewhere in between because he CAN put some numbers up.

As far as signage goes, the money left will only be enough to keep either langkow or juice, im thinking with trade rumors everywhere. Im quite sure sutter is trying to pull of something, and it may involve one of the two. I rather keep juice kuz of need him for shoot outs, 4 out 5 is pretty much a seal. we're not great in shootouts, can you imagine with out juice's 4 goals, we probablly wouldnt have won this many shootout games this year and a few points loss would have translate into out of a playoff spot looking in right now.

so keep juice, trade langkow for either a top prospect or a big rental player and make a push. my dream trade would be to yank Jokinen + picks from the panthers for say langkow, lambordi something in that specturm.

And rumors about something is happening with tampa may be true. I dont mind grabbing st. Louis back, as we are now more of a offensive minded team. I know we shouldnt, but with Phaneuf and regehr we should be alright. Aside, who knows maybe it may take both langkow and Juice for st. louis, of course some may say that is not a fair trade. but because of our cap room, it might may sense. beside Marty killed us with that overtime goal back in 04, and the biggest difference is, Marty is quite consistant. even when tampa is struggling and some nights richards and vicent isnt producing, Marty keeps it up. He can score clutches and playmakes.

Now with him and tanguay, it would make who ever the 3rd forward a very happy camper.

anyways, my 2cents :goflames:

out of the top 3 in tampa, the only one that would be leaving would be richards, not st.louis.

[max_boost]

Dion's salary is on par with the other D-men in the league. He has tremendous upside. It's not all about points. He plays with an edge. He intimidates other players. He makes them think twice about keeping their heads down skating through the middle of the ice. Simply put he is an impact player. That is why Sutter signed him, Iggy, Regehr and Kipper to these contracts because they are the cornerstones of any franchise.

If Langks and Juice don't want to sign for anything in the $5million range, Sutter will let them go. I'm almost certain he won't pay them anything more than $15million/3 years. Sutter doesn't like long term deals unless you are one of the elite 4. Langks is viewed as too small to be a true #1 Center and Juice is too streaky. We still have Conroy who will resign for journeyman $$ and maybe Lombardi will be ready to take on greater responsibilities. With the way Patrick Marleau is playing + big salary, wouldn't it be great if the Sharks dumped him and he came to Calgary? I doubt Wilson would want to get hosed on a deal again trading him to a Conference rival. :D:goflames:

[Rocky]

Two all-star games by 22 years old, arguably the most intimidating hitter in the western conference, and still in the "learning stages" = I'd pay him 6.5mil hands down. Sutter loves the kid (who doesn't remember the hug at the draft?) and Phanny wasn't going to be going anywhere.

As usual, Sutter will probably tell a lot of players to take paycuts or leave. You either want to be a part of the franchise or you don't. I would expect to lose Huse, but that's cuz I'm racist and assume European hockey players only care about $$. Langkow I really like, totally underrated two way player who puts up some crazy +/- numbers at times, and he's a hardworker. I could see him taking ~4-5 to stay here, but then again, he might feel he's worth more money and more ice time (I probably wouldn't argue against that).

Would I trade Huse and Lanks in a blockbuster deal for one "pretty good" offensive player? Yes, if it's apparent they won't sign for reasonable money... who? Don't know.

As for TB they would keep Lecavalier over anyone if they can. He's their franchise without question; not Richards.

[sawee03]

I'm probably the only person here who thinks phaneuf is overrated. He always gets beat to the puck, and loses majority of battles down low. He gets beat up a lot, and tries to break the glass all the time. I'm a phaneuf hater. :D I also don't like D. Hale. I love regehr and aucoin though.:D

[Cooked Rice]

I went to high school with him. He was quite cocky lol.