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benyl
02-14-2008, 04:55 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120241324358751455.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


While the U.S. and others race to expand the use and production of biofuels, two new studies suggest these gasoline alternatives actually will increase carbon-dioxide levels.


A study published in the latest issue of Science finds that corn-based ethanol, a type of biofuel pushed heavily in the U.S., will nearly double the output of greenhouse-gas emissions instead of reducing them by about one-fifth by some estimates. A separate paper in Science concludes that clearing native habitats to grow crops for biofuel generally will lead to more carbon emissions.

The findings are the latest to take aim at biofuels, which have already been blamed for pushing up prices of corn and other food crops, as well as straining water supplies. The Energy Department expects U.S. ethanol production to reach about 7.5 billion gallons this year from 3.9 billion in 2005, encouraged by high prices and government support. The European Union has proposed that 10% of all fuel used in transportation should come from biofuels by 2020.


Some scientists have praised biofuels because growing biofuel feedstock would remove gases that trap the sun's heat from the air, while gasoline and diesel fuel take carbon from the ground and put it in the air. However, some earlier studies didn't account for one hard-to-measure factor: the decision by farmers world-wide to convert forest and grasslands to grow feedstock for the new biofuels.


The Renewable Fuels Association in the U.S. said that "biofuels alone are not the silver bullet" for the world's energy or environmental challenges. It said earlier analyses of greenhouse-gas reductions show corn-derived ethanol reduces greenhouse gas emissions by 22% on average, though those studies didn't include the effect of changing land use.


We absolutely assert that ethanol production and use is a responsible way to address the environmental, energy and economic challenges the world faces today," spokesman Matt Hartwig said. He said the group's researchers will study the papers and formulate a response.


Land-use changes can have big and unintended consequences, such as food shortages and reduced biodiversity. For example, when forests or grasslands are converted for agricultural use, it leads to a large, quick release of carbon when the existing plant life is destroyed and the soil is tilled. Even if biofuels are grown on cropland previously used to grow food, farmers tend to then clear other forests and grasslands and grow the food elsewhere.


"Even if we're dramatically wrong, it's hard to get to a result that says you get a benefit over 50 years," said Timothy Searchinger, a researcher at Princeton University and a co-author of the paper on corn-based ethanol.


In the second study, researchers found that the effect of biofuels varied hugely, depending on where and how they were produced. For example, an increasing amount of land in Brazil is being used to grow sugarcane for ethanol.


Converting the undeveloped land into sugarcane fields releases CO2. It would take 17 years for the positive effect of using sugarcane ethanol from those fields instead of petroleum-based fuels to overcome the CO2 farming the land put into the air. Draining and clearing peatlands in Malaysia and Indonesia to grow palm oil emits so much CO2 that palm biodiesel from those fields would have to be burned for more than 420 years to counteract it.


David Tilman, an ecologist at the University of Minnesota and co-author of the second paper, said the biofuel industry needs to seek more efficient sources for biofuels, such as various kinds of waste and nonfood crops such as switchgrass grown on degraded land. A researcher from the Nature Conservancy, an environmental advocacy group, was also a co-author.


Their study's funding came from the National Science Foundation and the University of Minnesota's Initiative on Renewable Energy and the Environment, according to Mr. Tilman. The other paper relied on funding from various indirect sources, including the Hewlett Foundation and the Agriculture Department.

Canmorite
02-14-2008, 09:45 PM
Haha ya, heard this on the news. Hilarious.

Eleanor
02-18-2008, 03:01 AM
Stupid Al Gore ;)

googe
02-18-2008, 05:09 AM
It's funny how it always ends up being half dozen one way, 6 the other. I especially liked the study that made a case for driving to the store consuming less energy than walking :D

herragge
02-18-2008, 12:40 PM
Fuck we are stupid. Why do they have to be so proactive on a new "environmentally" friendly alternative energy before they adequately research it? I tried to pull up this study on my uni's database, but it seems the article is quite recent.

arian_ma
02-18-2008, 03:07 PM
This is when someone puts all of those "Fail" posters into one large email and sends it off to our friend Al.

treg50
02-19-2008, 09:15 AM
Don't be mislead by the title of the OP's post, the title of the actual article is:


Biofuels May Hinder Antiglobal-Warming Efforts
The keyword is 'May'. On top of that ethanol itself is still better/cleaner than burning fossil fuel. The big concern here are the steps required to make ethanol. One thing is for sure: 'normal' fuel is what has gotten the world to the poor condition that it's in now.

They're retarded. They talk about biofuels 'possibly' creating more CO2 than first thought. Woop-dee-doo, how about OBVIOUS things that we KNOW do that definitely impact the environment:

1. the clearcutting forests which are natural air cleaners/ O2 makers (for wood, development, etc.)
2. the conversion of forests and grasslands for grazing lands due to increased human demand for beef.
3. the increased methane emissions generated by those very cattle who's flesh people 'demand.'
4. commercial industry

Biofuel may not be perfect but it is NOT the biggest source, nor the longest running source of greenhouses gases.

Eleanor
02-19-2008, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by treg50
Biofuel may not be perfect but it is NOT the biggest source, nor the longest running source of greenhouses gases.

Neither is burning fossil fuels if you do your research.

2EFNFAST
02-28-2008, 02:58 AM
The bio-energy industry in general is in such an infancy stage still it isn't even funny.

It's pretty unfair to blast it at this point. It'd be like blasting automobiles in 1930 for not having 600hp and running 10s stock.