Question about Kazaa

[tommy1223]

Here's my questions:

(1) are they just sueing people for DLing music or just anything in general?

cuz i want to search up some cool vids they got on there but i dunno if they are also sueing people for that too or not?


(2) will insurance rates go up if i sell my car that i just bought 3 months ago and get another car?
like will the rates go up more the more often u change vehicles?

Someone help? Anybody?

Thanks

T.L.

[Mr_John]

Originally posted by tommy1223
Here's my questions:

(1) are they just sueing people for DLing music or just anything in general?

cuz i want to search up some cool vids they got on there but i dunno if they are also sueing people for that too or not?


sueing for anything in general but mostly music.
I'm not sure if they are sueing people in Canada yet but so far there's been over 1,000 sued kids as young as 19.
I read on cnn.com (yes i read stuff from there to keep updated on my current events) that a 22 year old student from Stanford (I forget the school but its a really high respected university), the student was sued for a bunch of cash but only had $12,000 in the bank, so the lawyers doing all the sueings took the $12,000 and the student agreed to pay another $15,000.
He set up a website so that people can make donations to help him pay it off, and so far he's made $5,000 only.
(not sure if i made any sense but its 4:25 am so please forgive me. hahaha)

I heard on the radio today that the #1 song they use to catch people illegally downloading is busta rhymes - forget what song its called.

[AquamosH]

It looks as though they are suing the ppl providing music to be downloaded. On Kazaa, you can choose not to share your stuff w/ others.
Here's a link you might find useful:
http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,59392,00.html

[kaput]

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[AquamosH]

Originally posted by kaput
WTF is with all the swooshes and beeps in the songs now?? RIAA messing them up and flooding the downloads??

Either that or new songs are encoded so they mess up (like when you try to tape a dvd onto video, and the picture is screwy) :dunno:

I decided a while back not to d/l anymore, getting too risky.

[Ben]

fuk em.

[5.9 R/T]

They can only get you if your sharing songs. And they arn't going to go after you for sharing a small number of songs since it wouldn't be worth their time.

[SI-vic]

Originally posted by 5.9 R/T
They can only get you if your sharing songs. And they arn't going to go after you for sharing a small number of songs since it wouldn't be worth their time.

Not sure if its true, but I heard about a story when a guy had 1 song on his computer and got caught and sued.
Sounds fake just to scare people though, not sure

[Strider]

they target people with certain songs...

it doesn't matter how many songs you have, just if you have the song they're targetting at that particular time, and they happen to choose you, they'll sue you

it's more of a scare tactic than anything... the few people that they sue represent a very small percentage of people file share

[tommy1223]

ya, so it's just songs right?

[Ben]

Originally posted by tommy1223
ya, so it's just songs right?

Yes, your ginormous Pornography collection appears to be safe for now.

[rage2]

Originally posted by Ben
Yes, your ginormous Pornography collection appears to be safe for now.
*phew*!

[Dope Dealer]

Bah, I wouldn't worry about them....

We're in Canada anyways, we're immune, for now :)

[Zephyr]

this is so gay.... isps here have to give out info in the states. Verison, Charter, Aldelphia, and others are forced to give out info, but all of the isps are appealing in court saying its against privacy regulations. i already moved my mp3s to a private locked folder and used a separate folder as the "sharing folder" and i moved every mp3 finished to the private folder...

well im using winmx anyway..i tend to migrate after attention is brought on a certain p2p..

[/////AMG]

does this go for Kazaa Lite aswell?

[AquamosH]

Originally posted by Zephyr
this is so gay.... isps here have to give out info in the states. Verison, Charter, Aldelphia, and others are forced to give out info, but all of the isps are appealing in court saying its against privacy regulations.

Didn't the U.S. government implement some sort of program that snoops into everyone's surfing activities, looking for potential terrorists? If so, this would be way beyond privacy regulations IMO. Not to mention the false accusations that could follow; for example, somebody could be doing research on the net for a paper on terrorism or something, then they could get unwanted attention from the NSA.


Originally posted by Porsche_944
does this go for Kazaa Lite aswell?

Same company/program, same purpose, so I imagine so.

[atomic]

Originally posted by AquamosH


Didn't the U.S. government implement some sort of program that snoops into everyone's surfing activities, looking for potential terrorists? If so, this would be way beyond privacy regulations IMO. Not to mention the false accusations that could follow; for example, somebody could be doing research on the net for a paper on terrorism or something, then they could get unwanted attention from the NSA.



Same company/program, same purpose, so I imagine so.

haha no.
there a few honey pots and nets . but mostly ids on large traffic routers . our Extractor software (http://analyzer.symantec.com/) sends your data to our servers via a secure encryped transfer . and we trend for geographical sources of hacks/attempts and virus origins, etc . but this data is used for a lot of tracking by government agencies . the best part about it is, the free version u can use . the licensed version (http://tms.symantec.com) is really complex and we see some neat data sometimes!

but no , this is one of hte biggest "conspiracy" type worries . but it's wicked .

[AquamosH]

ic,
I read this in Wired; must have misunderstood the article :thumbsup:

[rage2]

Originally posted by AquamosH
Didn't the U.S. government implement some sort of program that snoops into everyone's surfing activities, looking for potential terrorists? If so, this would be way beyond privacy regulations IMO. Not to mention the false accusations that could follow; for example, somebody could be doing research on the net for a paper on terrorism or something, then they could get unwanted attention from the NSA.
That would be the Echelon system, which "doesn't exist".

The one that's in use right now is Carnivore, see how it works here :

http://www.howstuffworks.com/carnivore.htm

Basically a packet sniffer for one guy, and mostly deals with email traffic.

[atomic]

haha

seroius ppl . stop spreading rumours of fancy tools reading private email . there is a reason our threat management system (http://tms.symantec.com) was created .

and there are no "mp3" download monitors on firewalls, etc ..

protect yourself by not sharing mp3's publically :P

[rage2]

Originally posted by atomic
seroius ppl . stop spreading rumours of fancy tools reading private email .
There's nothing "fancy" about packet sniffers, which is what Carnivore is. In fact, Windows 2000 comes with one called Network Monitor (you need the win2k resource kit version to sniff farther than your local traffic). Anyhow, I use it often to sniff HTTP, FTP, SMTP and POP3 traffic for debugging purposes. If I wanna find out what everyone is doing at work today, it's not hard :).

[D'z Nutz]

Originally posted by rage2

That would be the Echelon system, which "doesn't exist".

The one that's in use right now is Carnivore, see how it works here :

http://www.howstuffworks.com/carnivore.htm

Basically a packet sniffer for one guy, and mostly deals with email traffic.

What the fuck?! You mean there really is a Carnivore?! I thought it was just part of the really bad plotline on Swordfish!

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by AquamosH


Didn't the U.S. government implement some sort of program that snoops into everyone's surfing activities, looking for potential terrorists? If so, this would be way beyond privacy regulations IMO. Not to mention the false accusations that could follow; for example, somebody could be doing research on the net for a paper on terrorism or something, then they could get unwanted attention from the NSA.

that would be Green Lantern, iono if its in effect, but on TechTV they reported that microsoft is comming out with a hardware to counter that privacy invasion by the US government...

[Shaolin]

ABIT already has a mobo out that encrypts the HD data, although the bitrate is not substantially high, the technology is being pushed by many out onto the market.

[rage2]

http://www.virgeweb.com/sniffer.jpg

[rage2]

Originally posted by Shaolin
ABIT already has a mobo out that encrypts the HD data, although the bitrate is not substantially high, the technology is being pushed by many out onto the market.
You can encrypt your local data all you want, the data you send to/from Kaaza, your email server, web servers you visit, is most likely not encrypted. Carnivore sits at the ISP level so anything you send to/from the internet will be captured. VERY easy to track down site you've visited. More than enough to convict you of whatever they're after you for.

I doubt they'd use Carnivore on Kaaza users though. The IP traces of who's downloading from a "trojan" source is enough to bust people.

[speedracer]

"Oh no I've been compromised" :rofl:
Beware of big brother.....

[Toms-Celica]

Simple: Could you not just route through a proxy if you have a server? At home I am running two firewalls (Hard, Soft) and I think the RIAA would have trouble tracking down illegal files. Any unknown traffic or out going information leaks are stopped within a millia-second. Hell, I've caught Shaw snooping on my computer, they were locked out real quick.

[atomic]

omg . i hate these conversations .

i'll start by explaining my lack of technical gabber in my previous descriptions for ppl who don't know much about what we're talking about .

now since u have the knowledge of and how to use a packet sniffer (which i suggest u get a better one like snort) . u should be aware of the resources required to do so .

yes carnivore was an interesting idea that was overly complex and slow . it was obvoiusly developed as a marketting hype tool to gain research grants . and we are all aware that the fbi and other governments are very lacking in technical ability .

but i'm getting off course a bit . would u really like to get involved in a conversation of the resources required to:
- extract dest and source addresses from ip
- extract data from ip transport (udp, tcp, egrp, etc)
- extract application data from transport data
- cache by address and session
- append packet data
- analyze data against signature database and.... blah

argh u know what . i'm not even interested in continueing this . ids' are as far as we'll get with that recognition .

this will never happen with the internet's existing infastructure and ip v4 .

i'm out of this conversation

[88CRX]

Originally posted by atomic
omg . i hate these conversations .

i'll start by explaining my lack of technical gabber in my previous descriptions for ppl who don't know much about what we're talking about .

now since u have the knowledge of and how to use a packet sniffer (which i suggest u get a better one like snort) . u should be aware of the resources required to do so .

yes carnivore was an interesting idea that was overly complex and slow . it was obvoiusly developed as a marketting hype tool to gain research grants . and we are all aware that the fbi and other governments are very lacking in technical ability .

but i'm getting off course a bit . would u really like to get involved in a conversation of the resources required to:
- extract dest and source addresses from ip
- extract data from ip transport (udp, tcp, egrp, etc)
- extract application data from transport data
- cache by address and session
- append packet data
- analyze data against signature database and.... blah

argh u know what . i'm not even interested in continueing this . ids' are as far as we'll get with that recognition .

this will never happen with the internet's existing infastructure and ip v4 .

i'm out of this conversation

:nut:

[Toms-Celica]

bla bla bla bla internet bla bla bla mp3 bla bla bla
Can we keep this simple

[AquamosH]

lol
I just want to remind everyone that tommy1223 also had a question about insurance :D

[3G]

Originally posted by tommy1223


(2) will insurance rates go up if i sell my car that i just bought 3 months ago and get another car?
like will the rates go up more the more often u change vehicles?



it depends on the vehicles, and how often you change. My dad was changing every few months and they tryed to rack up his rate, then they told him if he kept changing he's going to get the boots..so yeah it all depends on the vehicles and how uptight your agent is

[tommy1223]

Originally posted by AquamosH
lol
I just want to remind everyone that tommy1223 also had a question about insurance :D


THANK YOU!!


ya and u guys lost me way back when u start saying the carnivor stuff...