sporty family car

[Deucers]

Hi everyone,
Now that our baby is getting a bit older I am going to start to look for a car thats suitable for a family (has to seat 4 and fit baby seat) and yet needs to be sporty so when I take the seat out it can still be a fun car.

I am looking for peoples opinions on what's out there.

criteria:
new or used
2 or 4 door
under $40,000
standard
needs just rims and suspension to look good

[tc3]

BMW 528, 540 or M5

You can check my car out, may be older than you're looking for, but it's cheaper and and a very fun car!! It's auto with the sport mode; and will be faster than MANY of the cars you may compare it too!?!

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&threadid=207026

[Speed_69]

Acura TSX

[BlkMaxima]

Legacy GT
:thumbsup:

[avow]

subaru sti?

[Acrophobia]

GTI 5 Door or Si Sedan!

[pattyt]

ditch the kid and get yourself a GTR :poosie: ahaha jks

[hoamic11]

Acura TSX, Lexis IS300, IS250, Subaru Wrx, BMX 3-Series, Infinity G35x

[arian_ma]

E39 M5! Fits all of your criterion. That is an excellent car.

[Tik-Tok]

Looking for brand new, or used?

[rc2002]

Originally posted by arian_ma
E39 M5! Fits all of your criterion. That is an excellent car.

I agree. Or even a 540.

[TaiChino]

Camry, new models are suprisingly nice.

[Reap]

don't buy a BMW.
you'll be paying way too much in maintainence, because chances are, it'll be off warranty (if you're looking at E39's or
M5's)
the new Camry's, G35's and IS350 is sweet

[blownz]

^ I can't believe you have the Camry in the same sentance as the G35 and IS. lol



Originally posted by TaiChino
Camry, new models are suprisingly nice.

^ and surprisingly shitty to drive.


I was in the same boat as you recently and I first went with a E46 and now I have an E90. They are a little cramped, but make a great family car and are still a blast to drive.

When I was looking at upgrading from the E46 last fall I test drove the new Accord, Camry, Altima, and Fusion thinking I wanted a bit more space and I should maybe drive something a bit more economical. In the end though, the fwd sedans are all crap and felt like too much of a downgrade from what I had. I ended up looking seriously at the 3 series, Lexus IS, and Infiniti G35 and went with the E90.

You could even get a used E60 in your price range depending on how old you want to go and how important warranty is to you. I think that is going to be my next move in a year or two once there are some used 535's on the market for a decent price. :thumbsup:

Either way in your price range you should be able to do very well. Just stay away from the TSX and TL. I looked at them too, and while they have lots of features for the dollar, they are in no way as much fun to drive as the rwd options.

[Deucers]

Well I am not opposed to going used, but the newer the better.

I was even thinking of the TSX, A4, G35 coupe, IS300. Of course I will be avoiding the domestic market in my search

[TaiChino]

Originally posted by Blownz
^ and surprisingly shitty to drive.

Really? Good to know. I was going strictly on looks but I have never driven one.

[Lex350]

I'm kind of in the same boat as Deucers. I thought my RX8 would do. It is fun to drive when it isn't falling apart and blowning engines.



I've narrrowed it down to a G35 coupe or an IS350. I still can't decide if I want a 4 door car or not. I have a broker lined up to bring me one from the U.S.

[TaiChino]

Originally posted by blownz
Just stay away from the TSX and TL. I looked at them too, and while they have lots of features for the dollar, they are in no way as much fun to drive as the rwd options.

Why does Honda avoid RWD like the plague? Even the Ridgeline truck is FWD until you put it into 4WD. What the hell

[Deucers]

How do you find the rx8 for backseat room? babyseat would fit?

So I take it you definately don't recommend the RX8?

[blownz]

Originally posted by TaiChino

Really? Good to know. I was going strictly on looks but I have never driven one.
I'm just referring to the fun to drive part of it that the OP is looking for. There is nothing wrong with the new Camry, it is way better than the old ones, but still boring to drive imo.



Originally posted by TaiChino

Why does Honda avoid RWD like the plague? Even the Ridgeline truck is FWD until you put it into 4WD. What the hell
They have shown they can do it with the S2000 and imo rwd would make the TSX and TL waaaay better cars. They actually handle pretty good for fwd but they could be so much better.

[ekguy]

hahah damn someone beat me to the punch. I was going to say rx8. Perfect for you, 4 door yet somewhat not. And decently fast, high revving rotary engine. And I mean looks amazing, not too expensive, somewhat reliable hehe. Should be able to get one with warranty left on it too for a decent prize. just look it up on youtube and watch the top gear rx8 test.

[Canmorite]

WRX or any other turbo'd Subaru. Great cars.

[blownz]

Originally posted by ekguy
hahah damn someone beat me to the punch. I was going to say rx8. Perfect for you, 4 door yet somewhat not. And decently fast, high revving rotary engine. And I mean looks amazing, not too expensive, somewhat reliable hehe. Should be able to get one with warranty left on it too for a decent prize. just look it up on youtube and watch the top gear rx8 test.

Although I doubt you could fit a rear facing car seat in it.

The impreza is another one that is bad for car seats. On the old style anyway, the door opening is really small for a 4 door car. You can't fit and infant carrier in without tipping your baby over. lol

[bodaciousbob]

STi

And I've got one for sale at a great price :)

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by hoamic11
Acura TSX, Lexis IS300, IS250, Subaru Wrx, BMX 3-Series, Infinity G35x

:werd: on the is250. A well loaded RWD one for about 32-33k

[The Cosworth]

I vote with everyone on the IS's

the new IS250 is 34,000 right now. SMOKING DEAL!


also there was a 530i at T&T honda a while back, used with 60,000km for 37ish

[Deucers]

Originally posted by 403Gemini


:werd: on the is250. A well loaded RWD one for about 32-33k

Is that brand new is250 for that price? I go on their website and says it starts at $32,000 for their base model

[guessboi]

^ I say the IS250 as well. brand new and RWD. FTW! :D and decent price.

[Wehbeast]

Nissan Maxima, sports sedan

[Lex350]

Originally posted by Deucers
How do you find the rx8 for backseat room? babyseat would fit?

So I take it you definately don't recommend the RX8?


back seat is fine...reliablity is crap....dealer service departments even worse.....too bad....when it works it sure is a fun car to throw around.

[Lex350]

Originally posted by blownz


Although I doubt you could fit a rear facing car seat in it.

The impreza is another one that is bad for car seats. On the old style anyway, the door opening is really small for a 4 door car. You can't fit and infant carrier in without tipping your baby over. lol


I had a rear facing car seat in it no problem.

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by Deucers


Is that brand new is250 for that price? I go on their website and says it starts at $32,000 for their base model

If you're a sucker to pay sticker price, yeah its $32,000.

Talk it down, get some options, looking at 34-35 TOPS for a WELL loaded (not saying fully loaded to the tits)

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by rotten42



back seat is fine...reliablity is crap....dealer service departments even worse.....too bad....when it works it sure is a fun car to throw around.

ouch guess that solves my question (09 rx-8 thread in the auto. news section).

And you're a rx-8 owner so i'll take your word for it...

[drtoohotty1]

Originally posted by Wehbeast
Nissan Maxima, sports sedan

Altima SE-R FTW

[Lex350]

Originally posted by 403Gemini


ouch guess that solves my question (09 rx-8 thread in the auto. news section).

And you're a rx-8 owner so i'll take your word for it...


here is just a partial list of what has gone wrong with my car:

1) two engines (boom)
2) cat replaced
3) Fuel injector leak
4) both seat warmers replaced
5) I'm just waiting for my 5th air bag replacement
6) Temperature control replaced twice
7) Whole climate control unit replaced twice
8) Water in the tail light lense
9) 3 sets of brake pads before they could get the squeal to stop

10) also forgot to add that I have rust in both rear wells.



But that doesn't piss me off anywhere near as much as the treatment I've received at the dealers in town....especially Kramer Mazda.....They are complete arsholes there.

[Soren1989]

S4

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by rotten42



here is just a partial list of what has gone wrong with my car:

1) two engines (boom)
2) cat replaced
3) Fuel injector leak
4) both seat warmers replaced
5) I'm just waiting for my 5th air bag replacement
6) Temperature control replaced twice
7) Whole climate control unit replaced twice
8) Water in the tail light lense
9) 3 sets of brake pads before they could get the squeal to stop



But that doesn't piss me off anywhere near as much as the treatment I've received at the dealers in town....especially Kramer Mazda.....They are complete arsholes there.

My friend just got a speed6 from Kramer, what should he look out for when he takes his car serviced? did they try and screw you or something? (Can pm me if you want :p )

[rc2002]

Originally posted by 403Gemini


If you're a sucker to pay sticker price, yeah its $32,000.

Talk it down, get some options, looking at 34-35 TOPS for a WELL loaded (not saying fully loaded to the tits)

You can't talk a Lexus down. You might be able to get some accessories thrown in, but to actually bring down the price is near impossible.

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by richardchan2002


You can't talk a Lexus down. You might be able to get some accessories thrown in, but to actually bring down the price is near impossible.

Depends how you're paying. If you have the cash to pay for the vehicle outright, theres always room to work. Financing, its a bit more difficult.

[rc2002]

Even with cash, you can't talk it down. I went in and tried it but they wouldn't budge. They take off 1 percent or something ridiculous as a goodwill gesture but otherwise they wouldn't move. This was on an in stock model too.

[spyce]

Originally posted by 403Gemini


Depends how you're paying. If you have the cash to pay for the vehicle outright, theres always room to work. Financing, its a bit more difficult.

I dunno about that. When I bought my car I paid with cash. I got a few things thrown in but there wasnt that much wiggle room on price. This was about 6 months after the new gen was released so that may factor into it.

And from what Ive seen, the ones that there might be a little wiggle room are only the ones on the lot. And for the most part the ones they have arent the ones that are 'well' loaded but the ones near fully loaded (second highest package/highest package).

Unless the guy is lucky, he'll only be able to pull a base one (without cloth+likely a demo) or one with the base leather package for $32k

[403Gemini]

Ah true that i suppose, either way 33-35k for a lexus isnt too shabby at all.

[guessboi]

Originally posted by rotten42


here is just a partial list of what has gone wrong with my car:

1) two engines (boom)
2) cat replaced
3) Fuel injector leak
4) both seat warmers replaced
5) I'm just waiting for my 5th air bag replacement
6) Temperature control replaced twice
7) Whole climate control unit replaced twice
8) Water in the tail light lense
9) 3 sets of brake pads before they could get the squeal to stop

But that doesn't piss me off anywhere near as much as the treatment I've received at the dealers in town....especially Kramer Mazda.....They are complete arsholes there.

MX5 FTW. no problem for 2 yrs and going strong. good on gas too and I drive hard it on. time to take my hardtop down and winter tires for convertible time! :D

[zipdoa]

Originally posted by 403Gemini


:werd: on the is250. A well loaded RWD one for about 32-33k

slow... 0 - 60mph in 7.1s!!

[96GrandAMGT]

i know not a likly choice for ppl on this board but iv got a 2003 pontiac grand am GT1 For Sale loaded leather, sunroof, 4 door tinted windows, magnaflow exhaust 2 sets of wheels and tires brand new (10,00kms) recent tune up and oil change... otherwise grand prix would be my choice for a family car

[Eleanor]

Legacy GT

[Hakkola]

1991-95 500e/e500

Built by porsche and mercedes. Only 10 000 built, 326 hp, 354ft/lbs torque - 4 seater, 4 door 1/4 mile in 14 seconds at 101 mph, 0-60 in 5.4 seconds, smooth ride, good handling, and safe. :thumbsup:

Plus it is pretty much a collector car so you won't have much depreciation.

[Lex350]

Originally posted by zipdoa


slow... 0 - 60mph in 7.1s!!


then


IS350

0-60 6.1s

[redblack]

legacy GT spec B :thumbsup:

[jdm_eg6]

mazda speed 6 in graphite

[tc3]

2-doors and a baby seat just do not mix!!! Even the RX8 style doors...

Cold day + wife loading kid in and out = Pissed off wife and you looking for a 4 door again!!!

[Redlyne_mr2]

We have our last 6speed 07 IS250 here at Lexus, 18inch wheels, with both summer and winter tires, 3m on the hood, has about 355kms on it, it was a demo. The price is $32000. It's considered brand new according to Lexus so it still has full warranty, service etc.

[canuckcarguy]

Why talk E39 BMW, when in that range you can have an E60 545i. You'll land one with less than 80,000 km and all the toots and whistles within your budget. 325 hp and 0-60 in 5.4... now that's a family sedan.

[drewb]

wrx or wrx wagon

[xrayvsn]

STI, with baby seats:

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q318/xrayvsn_sti/IMG_0048.jpg

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q318/xrayvsn_sti/IMG_0053.jpg

Excellent crash safety ratings since the GD chassis is extremely stiff. The back seat is fine for young kids, but I wouldn't want to be back there as an adult. Very reliable, and great aftermarket options with the exception of a fixed perch strut that costs less than $500 a corner.

Mine did 13.4 @ 101 mph in Calgary with just downpipe, exhaust and tune, and 13.8 @ 98 completely stock. This will be a backup car for solosprint this year, and is probably actually faster around the roadcourse in its present form than the Elise I do plan on tracking. It is my daily driver, and I haul my two oldest children in the back to school every morning. All my kids have been in the car, from age 3 weeks, up to age 8.

HeavyD would say that I am a Subaru fanboy like all the others, who can only recommend a Subaru to other people. To prove him wrong, I am also going to suggest the 335i, and the E46 M3 or 330 (though the former may be more than your targeted $40,000 price range).

[climer]

Originally posted by Deucers
criteria:
new or used
2 or 4 door
under $40,000
standard
needs just rims and suspension to look good

Hmmm....

That narrows your choices to around 200 different cars. Perhaps you should narrow down your criteria? :)

Personally, I'd go with an 05+ Legacy GT because it's got a great mix of performance, luxury,safety and utility in a sporty package which won't attract unnecessary attention. It's AWD is priceless for our Calgary winters and it's one of the quickest 4 door sedans south of an S4.

[dino_martini]

05+ Subaru Legacy
Mazdaspeed 6
Volvo S60R - Its unbelievably safe...its a Volvo. Plus it has 300hp

The last gen CTS-V's have depreciated to the mid $30's. Corvette engine with a 6 speed manual.

[Kloubek]

I've owned an Audi A6, and I was very happy with it. In fact, I could really not find anything wrong with it whatsoever, but the parts are a little pricey.

So my vote would be A4 if you don't need a ton of room in the back, and not exactly blazing performance.

S4 if you need the same, but WITH blazing performance

A6 2.8 or 3.0 if you need the room, without performance.

A6 4.2 if you need the performance as well. S6/RS6 if you need ridiculous performance.

Seriously man - check these cars out. They look good, have the best interior of any car I've ever sat in, and have AWD to make the winters safe. I cannot say enough about Audi's lineup. They even have the allroad if you need to store gear.

[Sharpie]

Mazdaspeed 6

*cough*http://forums.beyond.ca/st/200732/fs-07-mazdaspeed-6/*cough*

[gpomp]

civic si sedan. $10k under your budget, brand new.

[liquidboi69]

On the topic of buying a Lexus IS250, you should just keep checking out Red_Lynes sig, he always has some crazy deals going on.

He had a 6 speed is 250 with leather i believe? summer tires, and winter tires fo rlike.. 31k brand new. Don't remember if it was fully loaded or not tho...

[Aleks]

Wouldn't a Lexus IS250 be pretty slow in Calgary as in TSX slow. I mean it'll keep up to traffic but he want's a sporty family car so I assume he wants Some power with it? :dunno:

[rc2002]

Originally posted by Aleks
Wouldn't a Lexus IS250 be pretty slow in Calgary as in TSX slow. I mean it'll keep up to traffic but he want's a sporty family car so I assume he wants Some power with it? :dunno:

:werd:

TSX and IS250 are hardly sporty cars. They look fast, but they're lacking in just about every performance department.

[BlkMaxima]

Originally posted by richardchan2002


:werd:

TSX and IS250 are hardly sporty cars. They look fast, but they're lacking in just about every performance department.

:werd:

Just about every car in that class is underpowered.

In that size of a car anything less than 230HP is poop.

I had a fully loaded 2005 Altima with a 4 banger, when I tried to pass people it felt like I could get out and run faster.

[blownz]

Originally posted by xrayvsn
STI, with baby seats:


Did you use an infant carrier with base in there when kids were less than 6 months? I know someone that had a WRX and they had to sell it because the Graco infant carrier would not fit through the rear door without tilting it at such an angle it wouldn't have been good for the baby (as in waking it if it was sleeping). The rear door opening is just really small on those things. I know we checked compared to the E46 I had at the time (the one in my sig) and the rear door opening on my car was way bigger. He was forced to sell for a MS6.

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by BlkMaxima


:werd:

Just about every car in that class is underpowered.

In that size of a car anything less than 230HP is poop.

I had a fully loaded 2005 Altima with a 4 banger, when I tried to pass people it felt like I could get out and run faster.

:dunno: If i'm buying a IS250 instead of say a dodge charger i would expect refinement, not speed. If i buy the charger, i want the 350 hp...

The cars arent necessarily overpriced, they're just for a different purpose, luxury instead of speed.

[BlkMaxima]

Originally posted by 403Gemini


:dunno: If i'm buying a IS250 instead of say a dodge charger i would expect refinement, not speed. If i buy the charger, i want the 350 hp...

The cars arent necessarily overpriced, they're just for a different purpose, luxury instead of speed.

IS250 is supposed to be a SPORTS luxury sedan.

I consider the charger to be a full size family car. Not a Sports sedan. With the exception of the SRT8.

[BlkMaxima]

double post

[403Gemini]

Awesome, but good luck finding a 250-300 hp car, that offers the refinement as a luxury car, with the reliability of a lexus... and only cost $34k.

You want your cake and eat it too, which I can appreciate but thats like sports compacts enthusiasts demanding a 300 AWD car, weighs 2500 lbs, and cost 25k.

Bottem line, you get what you pay for. the IS250 is a sporty car, and rwd with just over 200 hp isnt anything to shake a stick at. Its probably one of the best deals out there.

[BlkMaxima]

Originally posted by 403Gemini
Awesome, but good luck finding a 250-300 hp car, that offers the refinement as a luxury car, with the reliability of a lexus... and only cost $34k.

You want your cake and eat it too, which I can appreciate but thats like sports compacts enthusiasts demanding a 300 AWD car, weighs 2500 lbs, and cost 25k.

Bottem line, you get what you pay for. the IS250 is a sporty car, and rwd with just over 200 hp isnt anything to shake a stick at. Its probably one of the best deals out there.

If you go with a new car, then yeah it is a good deal. I didn't say it wasn't.

IMO, it is stupid to buy brand new. Unless financing is super important. As soon as you drive off the lot, your car drops in value by probably 10% or higher.

For used cars in that range:

Lincoln LS V8
Mazda Speed6
Infiniti G35's
BMW 3 or 5 series
IS350 (http://www.canadatrader.com/result/detailinfo.aspx?ID=29849552&pgno=1&srt=1)
etc,

This list could be 100 pages long.

That Lexus may be a good deal, but it will never be a better deal than the hundreds of used cars that offer way more options and just as refined, reliable and powerful.

[Hakkola]

Originally posted by gpomp
civic si sedan. $10k under your budget, brand new.

I can't speak for the SI, but I've been driving my mom's 07 Civic Sedan for the winter, and it is the biggest POS I have ever driven. :thumbsdow

[Perfect Dark]

I had the same criteria when I went car shopping, and ended up with a Legacy because it was a better fit for me than the others. I had looked at:
-Nissan Altima (too blah)
-Audi A4 (too expensive for what you get)
-Mazdaspeed 6 (douche salesmen wouldn't let me test drive it....perhaps I should have thanked him :D)
-Mini Cooper S (had to try it, but it way too small for getting children in and out)

In my mind I needed power, comfort, reliability, and safety all rolled into one. I am very happy with my car, feel free to PM me with any questions you might have or head over to www.legacygt.com and snoop around there some.

[9taccord]

Get an Acura TL Type-S

[xrayvsn]

Originally posted by blownz


Did you use an infant carrier with base in there when kids were less than 6 months? I know someone that had a WRX and they had to sell it because the Graco infant carrier would not fit through the rear door without tilting it at such an angle it wouldn't have been good for the baby (as in waking it if it was sleeping). The rear door opening is just really small on those things. I know we checked compared to the E46 I had at the time (the one in my sig) and the rear door opening on my car was way bigger. He was forced to sell for a MS6.

I did, I had my 3 day old son in there with the rear facing seat. I don't recall there being a problem, but to be honest, the car mostly has served as hauling duty for the older kids. For getting the entire family around, we have to resort to our POS minivan, since there isn't too much else that can transport a family of 6 and all their shit.

Then again, the OP even included 2 door in his potential fun family car list, so perhaps the width of the door is less important to him.

[gpomp]

Originally posted by Hakkola


I can't speak for the SI, but I've been driving my mom's 07 Civic Sedan for the winter, and it is the biggest POS I have ever driven. :thumbsdow what's wrong with it?

[xrayvsn]

Originally posted by gpomp
what's wrong with it?

I suspect it lacks a T3/T4. How was it going back to stock B18 power once you were used to boost? I'm going to guess it sucked.

[Hakkola]

Originally posted by gpomp
what's wrong with it?

I hate the way it drives, the thing is as big as my benz, but the interior somehow manages to have far less room, the blind spots are bigger than anything I've ever driven, you can't see the front of your car, or the hood at all, just a big ass ugly dash, which drives me crazy. When sitting in the backseat you can actually see wires hanging down in the driver's footwell. In general it seems like it was put together by children. The window even gets stuck if it is below zero and I roll it down for a drive-thru, sometimes I'm able to pull it up with my hand, but a couple cold nights I had to drive home a few km with my window down. :thumbsdow

It looks pretty good from the outside for a car in its price range, and the engine is all right all things considered, but pretty much everything else about it pisses me off. :)

[gpomp]

i think the base civic is a very different car, i would probably buy a mazda3 over it.

but when we're talking about the si, i would probably take an si over a mazdaspeed3.

[boci]

Originally posted by Eleanor
Legacy GT

+1

great car

[Aleks]

Originally posted by gpomp


but when we're talking about the si, i would probably take an si over a mazdaspeed3.

u did :nut:

[sCream]

will probably sell my is350 in a month or two if the OP is interested

[C4S]

Actually,

I still have this .. ;)


http://forums.beyond.ca/st/194485/f-s-e39-m5/


Just drove it after winter storage from Nov-March.:thumbsup:

[Scope951]

Originally posted by Hakkola


I hate the way it drives, the thing is as big as my benz, but the interior somehow manages to have far less room, the blind spots are bigger than anything I've ever driven, you can't see the front of your car, or the hood at all, just a big ass ugly dash, which drives me crazy. When sitting in the backseat you can actually see wires hanging down in the driver's footwell. In general it seems like it was put together by children. The window even gets stuck if it is below zero and I roll it down for a drive-thru, sometimes I'm able to pull it up with my hand, but a couple cold nights I had to drive home a few km with my window down. :thumbsdow

It looks pretty good from the outside for a car in its price range, and the engine is all right all things considered, but pretty much everything else about it pisses me off. :)

I find that strange, i found the Si to be extremely well made. I have not had any trouble you have described at all, im thinking you just got the bad seed of the bunch.

I would vouch for the SI for a affordable family sedan, feels great to be in, very comfy and very spacey interior. I do agree with the dash being a tad large but the SI's interior is very good.

[ZorroAMG]

Originally posted by Scope951


I find that strange, i found the Si to be extremely well made. I have not had any trouble you have described at all, im thinking you just got the bad seed of the bunch.

I would vouch for the SI for a affordable family sedan, feels great to be in, very comfy and very spacey interior. I do agree with the dash being a tad large but the SI's interior is very good.

Coming from driving a W124 like Hakk's and mine, a civic IS poorly made....that's why he feels like that.


AS for the OP, what about a W210 E55 (99-'02)?

[Hakkola]

Yeah, to be fair I don't really have any experience with other cars in the Civic segment. My biggest complaint which I feel is valid though, is that for how huge the civic is the interior is tiny.

[Aleks]

Originally posted by Hakkola
Yeah, to be fair I don't really have any experience with other cars in the Civic segment. My biggest complaint which I feel is valid though, is that for how huge the civic is the interior is tiny.

Civic sedan interior is very close in size to the 3 series and the new C class.

[Hakkola]

C class interior
Headroom (Front) 38.9 Headroom (Row 2) 37.3 Hiproom (Front)51.9 Hiproom (Row 2) 54.5 Legroom (Front) 41.7 Legroom (Row 2)33.0 Shoulder Room (Front) 53.1Shoulder Room (Row 2) 54.3 Seating (Maximum)5
Exterior-Height 55.6, Length 178.4, Wheelbase 106.9 width 68.0

Civic-
Headroom (Front) 39.4 Headroom (Row 2) 37.4Hiproom (Front)51.9 Hiproom (Row 2) 51.0 Legroom (Front) 42.2Legroom (Row 2)34.6Shoulder Room (Front) 53.7Shoulder Room (Row 2) 52.4 Seating (Maximum) 5
Height 56.5, Length 176.7, Wheelbase 106.3, Width 69.0

Yeah, the interior is pretty close in size, and so is the exterior .

:eek:

It must just be the layout that makes me feel so cramped. :dunno:

[xrayvsn]

Originally posted by Hakkola
C class interior
Headroom (Front) 38.9 Headroom (Row 2) 37.3 Hiproom (Front)51.9 Hiproom (Row 2) 54.5 Legroom (Front) 41.7 Legroom (Row 2)33.0 Shoulder Room (Front) 53.1Shoulder Room (Row 2) 54.3 Seating (Maximum)5
Exterior-Height 55.6, Length 178.4, Wheelbase 106.9 width 68.0

Civic-
Headroom (Front) 39.4 Headroom (Row 2) 37.4Hiproom (Front)51.9 Hiproom (Row 2) 51.0 Legroom (Front) 42.2Legroom (Row 2)34.6Shoulder Room (Front) 53.7Shoulder Room (Row 2) 52.4 Seating (Maximum) 5
Height 56.5, Length 176.7, Wheelbase 106.3, Width 69.0

Yeah, the interior is pretty close in size, and so is the exterior .

:eek:

It must just be the layout that makes me feel so cramped. :dunno:

Cool, thanks for the comparison measurements. I didn't even think the two cars were even close in size. Is that for the 4 door Civic?

[Aleks]

Originally posted by xrayvsn


Cool, thanks for the comparison measurements. I didn't even think the two cars were even close in size. Is that for the 4 door Civic?

Yeah that is the 4 door. The entry level german sedans are pretty small. My 3 series was only slightly bigger than the WRX. The GTi feels huge inside compared to the 330.