2009 Acura TSX starts at $32,900

[Aleks]

Lower base price but not as loaded as the old model.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/thenews/2008/04/20/acura-announces-pricing-for-new-2009-tsx.htm

[nj2Type-S]

say bye bye to the CSX, lol.

[eb0i]

Even with the lower msrp on the TSX I think I still would choose a Lexus IS 250 which is only 31900 msrp. :dunno:

[01RedDX]

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[treg50]

A new Accord or IS 250 for sure.

Originally posted by nj2Type-S
say bye bye to the CSX, lol.
Weird but it looks like that might happen. Wtf they are doing.

[eb0i]

Originally posted by treg50
A new Accord or IS 250 for sure.

Weird but it looks like that might happen. Wtf they are doing.

Maybe they are going to lower the pricing on the csx and rsx as well?

[rc2002]

Leather seats an option on an Acura? They might as well just brand it as a Honda.

For the underpowered out-of-date drive train, I'd say 32,900 is still too expensive. I'd take an Accord V6 any day.

[boxer23]

Originally posted by richardchan2002
Leather seats an option on an Acura? They might as well just brand it as a Honda.

Every other manufacturer in that segment, has no leather aswell on the base model i.e 323i and C230(SP) both have pleather is250 has cloth...and i personally prefer cloth over leather anyways

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photo_StoryLevel/080210/080210-tsx-hmed-5p.hmedium.jpg

anyone else think the front end looks a little too happy and goofy lol

[blownz]

Originally posted by boxer23
anyone else think the front end looks a little too happy and goofy lol
I actually really hate that grill that Acura is putting on every car they have. It looks stupid on the new RL too.


On the price side though, at least the price is going in the right direction. In the US the base price actually went up a bit so this is good that the gap is getting smaller. But there are more options available on the new model too.

[treg50]

Originally posted by eb0i

Maybe they are going to lower the pricing on the csx and rsx as well?
I thought about that but then the CSX is going to get really squished between the TSX and the Civic for price and value. I think the RSX has been discontinued.

[Daan]

acura is honda on crack

rsx is out eboi, lower end csx model is a ripoff.


Originally posted by eb0i


Maybe they are going to lower the pricing on the csx and rsx as well?

[Hash_man]

Just saw this in the paper too... the front grill looked ok in the paper, but in general I hate it, especially on the new RL, makes it look like a POS.

I don't know why they are putting cloth in the TSX, IMO thats just screwing with things, especially if they want to create more of a luxury image, sure not happening with moves like that. And I kind of want to go for a drive in one to compare to the past model tsx as I really enjoyed driving that, and I'm not a big fan of the new Accord.

[SilverRex]

hmm haha

if it was 32k loaded that would be a completely different story. To load it up would top 40k, so at the end not much change from the current tsx pricing wise.

The paddle shift is a must considering its almost standard on alot of luxury brand. Yes Cloth seat may ruin the image but great as I like cloth more than leather..

but i'm quite amused at them saying

"which goes on sale on April 21, is larger, more agile and more performance-oriented than before."

Come on 201 HP and 177lb is not more peformence than before. What a shame. Had this move this baby up to 220HP or 240hp would be great.

Even the euroR was 220HP I remember.

Phuck im keeping my current tsx, and the new wheels is a disgrace imo

[arian_ma]

Lol that thing reminds me of a Saturn for some reason.
It's ugly as hell and those wheels are worth crying over.

[treg50]

Originally posted by Hash_man
Just saw this in the paper too... the front grill looked ok in the paper, but in general I hate it, especially on the new RL, makes it look like a POS.
...
Damn POS is right, that new TSX grille is crap. I can't believe they'd put that on the new RL (which has looks like crap in addition to the grille). Hopefully this ugly 'new' look doesn't make it to the TL, MDX & RDX... they're all Acura has left that looks good.

The 2005/current RL A-Spec grille is hot! Wtf?

http://www.automotivechronicles.com/articles/2005/mar/02/images/b33174-acura-rla.jpg

[GQBalla]

looks like the cts

[SilverRex]

:thumbsup:

actually I love how acura screwed up the 09 line up. It makes me feel soo much better driving the 1st gen Tsx

[max_boost]

No power increase=FAIL!!:thumbsdow

[benyl]

Honda is doing some really weird design. Anyone see the photos of the new pilot? Looks like ass to me.

[rc2002]

Originally posted by boxer23


Every other manufacturer in that segment, has no leather aswell on the base model i.e 323i and C230(SP) both have pleather is250 has cloth...and i personally prefer cloth over leather anyways


That's what set Acura apart from Honda. If you buy an Acura you get a Honda that has leather seats. How can an a TSX have no leather on the base model, but the CSX and RSX both have leather on the base model? :dunno:

[Eleanor]

I like the looks of the new tsx.... *hides in corner*

[Barlow]

Originally posted by richardchan2002
Leather seats an option on an Acura? They might as well just brand it as a Honda.

For the underpowered out-of-date drive train, I'd say 32,900 is still too expensive. I'd take an Accord V6 any day.


Hell the accord 4 banger is 198 hp..... for less then that....

I really woulda thought they would make the TSX more G35-7 power like 300 at least.

[SilverRex]

Originally posted by Barlow



Hell the accord 4 banger is 198 hp..... for less then that....

I really woulda thought they would make the TSX more G35-7 power like 300 at least.

its difficult to put that much power on fwd. then again I also thought they would roll out shawd which they didnt. So extremely disappointed. Then again what am I to complain. with 32k-40k, lots of other choices outthere.

The 135i is looking mighty fun as I hear from those who test drove it on friday.

[Xtrema]

The drop in price is welcome but I was expecting $33K start, $37K loaded with only option being the Nav.

Especially given it's an inferior car to everything else in the segment. It's asking for too much.

I expect CSX to be dropped in 09. Don't believe it'll be around around Civic get its MMC refresh.

[nj2Type-S]

Originally posted by richardchan2002
...but the CSX and RSX both have leather on the base model? :dunno:

the base rsx didn't have leather seats. they only came in the premium and the type-s models, iirc.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by benyl
Honda is doing some really weird design. Anyone see the photos of the new pilot? Looks like ass to me.

Honda now = :barf:

The CRV is ugly, new Pilot is ugly, Civic is a bubble car with ugly interior, new TSX looks like a Saturn beaten with an ugly stick.

Not only are the vehicles ugly, Honda has yet to get the memo that the 90's high strung, low-torque engines are not in fancy anymore as buyers spending upwards to $30K and up expect torque.

[Doozer]

I looked at the TSX before I bought my Altima, and I didn't think the bang for the buck could compare back then. A base TSX was $5-6K more than a fully loaded Altima, had less interior room, and a LOT less power (I can't remember the exact numbers, but the TSX gave up about 45hp, and about 55ft/lbs torque).

Sure, you could argue fit-and-finish all you want, but that wasn't worth the $5K extra. Especially with Acura's horrible financing rates.

I don't see how this change in pricing is going to help pull in buyers. There's much better market value in the Altima, Accord, or even something like a loaded Suby Legacy.

Don't get me wrong, I like the car in general ... but if you bumped up the power to compete with the Altys and Accords, and ALSO made this price drop - THEN you'd have a monster on your hands.

[benyl]

Originally posted by nj2Type-S


the base rsx didn't have leather seats. they only came in the premium and the type-s models, iirc.

:werd:

Base model 1.6 and 1.7 EL models did not have leather either.

[gpomp]

wait for the type-s

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by gpomp
wait for the type-s

And?

Polished turd is still turd.

It wasn't designed to spin the rear wheels. No matter how much power they put into it, it's pointless.

New TL with AWD would be interesting.

[Plasma69]

Acura=bs pricing=failure to get decent torque=worth looking at Lexus

[Plasma69]

oh and HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XTREMA... got me laughing out loud in my showroom... lol... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[gpomp]

Originally posted by richardchan2002
For the underpowered out-of-date drive train, I'd say 32,900 is still too expensive. I'd take an Accord V6 any day. have you seen the interior on the accord? :rofl:

[SilverRex]

Originally posted by gpomp
wait for the type-s

and pay like 43-45k for it? do you know how many other cars would compete in this range? 135i 41k? IS350 43k, evo GSR 41k, STI 44k,

well not all in the exact same class, if I pay 40k upward I would totally sink my teeth on the BMW or Lexus

[gpomp]

Originally posted by SilverRex


and pay like 43-45k for it? do you know how many other cars would compete in this range? 135i 41k? IS350 43k, evo GSR 41k, STI 44k,

well not all in the exact same class, if I pay 40k upward I would totally sink my teeth on the BMW or Lexus yes, there are people out there who don't care about horsepower and just want a nice reliable car that's fully equipped with every imaginable feature for $40k

[SilverRex]

Originally posted by gpomp
yes, there are people out there who don't care about horsepower and just want a nice reliable car that's fully equipped with every imaginable feature for $40k

when tsx came out at the time, it was nicely equipped for the price. but seriously we all know the 09 will have little change other than the fact its tad bigger. There is many choices now.

Sure, I think the remaining highlight will be fuel economy. I have to praise 58L for 600km is awesome. and will probablly be the only selling point for this car.

otherwise when all othe other upscale luxury sports sedan is making the tsx feel like a corolla, then you will see nicely equipped just wont cut it.

The v6 accord loaded with nav is nicely equipped as well. I applaud they are closing the gap with compare to the TSX, however TSX did not move forward, now im begining to question whether they moved backward isntead. At the end of the day, people will look for value.

I can see it in 04, but not in 09

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by gpomp
have you seen the interior on the accord? :rofl:

No. But if TSX is anything like the RDX, it's not that far ahead of the Accord.

Actually, TSX and Accord both photos well and sucks in person. Material do look similar, so I think it'll look as cheap as Accord.

But can't fault them, it's not like BMWs or Mercedes are any better for anything under $80K.


Originally posted by gpomp
yes, there are people out there who don't care about horsepower and just want a nice reliable car that's fully equipped with every imaginable feature for $40k


Those are called Honda.

[treg50]

Originally posted by gpomp
have you seen the interior on the accord? :rofl:
I don't get it, what about the interior of the '08? :dunno:

You can do a lot worse than this. Have you seen the Civic's?

http://autoreview.belproject.com/media/1/20070822-2008-honda-accord-interior-4.jpg

[gpomp]

they are equally shitty

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by treg50

I don't get it, what about the interior of the '08? :dunno:

You can do a lot worse than this. Have you seen the Civic's?

http://autoreview.belproject.com/media/1/20070822-2008-honda-accord-interior-4.jpg

Go sit in one and you'll understand. I didn't believe it until I sat in one. Horrid plastic even for top models. Even Motorweek call it cheap.

[Ek9Max]

Well I work at NW acura, and our truck of 2009 tsx's just landed. I'll let everybody know how it is right away.

[treg50]

The TSX's performance was never an issue for me. Performance was good enough for my needs. What sealed the deal before was that it was attractive both in styling and price. For my taste the new styling is no longer attractive and there are more choices for the same price now.

For Acura's sake I hope there is a nice looking wheel upgrade and Aero package... and yes a Type-S. In any case I dont' think the grill will change unfortunately.

[Ek9Max]

Here ya go! It's really nice. I am impressed! Same kinda of Acura quality that we're used to with a more refinement than teh current tsx.

I bought a 2008 2 months ago.... shoulda waited. lol

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/371000-371999/371153_35_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/371000-371999/371153_36_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/371000-371999/371153_34_full.jpg

[bspot]

^ You made the right call. The grill and oddly shaped tail lights are pretty bad IMO. Old TSX ftw.

[benyl]

Wow, that is UGLY.

[Ek9Max]

honestly it does look a lot better in person. The photos make the front end bulge out....

[silver_gs-R]

im not a big fan of the new model at all, i waited and waited and waited for the pictures to come out, once they were out i actually signed for my 08' model that day because i was just disgusted with the new model. to be honest tho when the civic si first came out i thought it was ugly too, but it grew on me and its one of my favorite cars out there right now, but theres not way the new tsx is growing on me. :barf:

[sneek]

WOW that is ugly. And kind of expensive for what you get...I mean you could get a top of a line EX-L V6 Accord with leather and Navi for what 33-34? if you tried. The V6 accord makes more power and needs regular gas. Fuel economy is pretty decent.


hahahaha, but maybe I am hugely biased....

I really hope these look better in person. I though the Gen 1 TSX looked pretty good.

[euro_racer]

LOL from a value perspective i really feel for the guys who just recently bought a 08 :banghead:

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by euro_racer
LOL from a value perspective i really feel for the guys who just recently bought a 08 :banghead:

Why? Spec aside, you don't think a 0.9%/1.9% + incentive is a good deal?

You ALWAYS take a huge hit for a last year model. And other than introducing a less content car with lower MSRP, the price didn't change much either.

2009s

* $32,900 - TSX (6-speed manual transmission)
* $34,200 - TSX (5-speed automatic transmission)
* $36,200 - TSX Premium Package (6-speed manual transmission)
* $37,500 - TSX Premium Package (5-speed automatic transmission)
* $39,000 - TSX Technology Package (6-speed manual transmission)
* $40,300 - TSX Technology Package (5-speed automatic transmission)

VS 2008

* $36,200 - TSX Premium Package (6-speed manual transmission)
* $37,500 - TSX Premium Package (5-speed automatic transmission)
* $39,000 - TSX Technology Package (6-speed manual transmission)
* $40,300 - TSX Technology Package (5-speed automatic transmission)

So there you go folks, it's not cheaper. We are just receiving a lower price base model with less equipment.

I think Lexus owners got screwed by price changes. In the end, everybody is screwed because of lower resale for all cars.

But still, Acura is in denial. How can you offer something slower, uglier looking, less content and more expensive model compare to competitors. This is early-mid 90s Acura all over again. Expensive and no substance. Well at least we are paying the same, people in the state are pissed they have to pay more.

[Ek9Max]

Originally posted by euro_racer
LOL from a value perspective i really feel for the guys who just recently bought a 08 :banghead:

Not if you found out what i paid for mine.......

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Ek9Max


Not if you found out what i paid for mine.......

You work for Acura. I have an idea. Probably navi for low 30 out the door. Paying any more and you're crazy.

[gpomp]

Originally posted by Xtrema
How can you offer something slower, uglier looking, less content and more expensive model compare to competitors. This is early-mid 90s Acura all over again. Expensive and no substance. Well at least we are paying the same, people in the state are pissed they have to pay more. because people will still buy them. and they will buy a lot of them.

[euro_racer]

i mean in the perspective of being able to get the 08 for cheaper now, not compared to the 09

so if you really wanted an 08, you wait a few months till the 09 comes out and the 08 goes down in value :)

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by euro_racer
i mean in the perspective of being able to get the 08 for cheaper now, not compared to the 09

so if you really wanted an 08, you wait a few months till the 09 comes out and the 08 goes down in value :)

09 is out today, Apr 21st.

[eur0]

The front looks quite awkward, the back reminds me of a Camry. I'm sure it looks much nicer in person though.

[590221010]

Originally posted by bspot
^ You made the right call. The grill and oddly shaped tail lights are pretty bad IMO. Old TSX ftw.
Qft, looks sort of like a saturn.

[Ek9Max]

Originally posted by euro_racer
i mean in the perspective of being able to get the 08 for cheaper now, not compared to the 09

so if you really wanted an 08, you wait a few months till the 09 comes out and the 08 goes down in value :)

ya 2008 models are super cheap now. but it's tough to get one now.... Well you have to be flexible on clors and such.

We have like 5 2008 models left and they are all Navi models in Automatic transmision.

[SilverRex]

Originally posted by silver_gs-R
im not a big fan of the new model at all, i waited and waited and waited for the pictures to come out, once they were out i actually signed for my 08' model that day because i was just disgusted with the new model. to be honest tho when the civic si first came out i thought it was ugly too, but it grew on me and its one of my favorite cars out there right now, but theres not way the new tsx is growing on me. :barf:

nice call :thumbsup:

[Ek9Max]

Originally posted by silver_gs-R
im not a big fan of the new model at all, i waited and waited and waited for the pictures to come out, once they were out i actually signed for my 08' model that day because i was just disgusted with the new model. to be honest tho when the civic si first came out i thought it was ugly too, but it grew on me and its one of my favorite cars out there right now, but theres not way the new tsx is growing on me. :barf:

That's exactly the way i felt. And why i bought my 2008.

Plus the fact the 2008 model was like $150/month less on a lease than it was 6 months ago helped my decision. And my car allowance pays for my TSX, and i fi wanted a new one i'd have to spend money out of my own pocket. And it's for my finacee, so i dont'even drive it anyways.

But more or less i saw the new pics, and figured i couldn't go wrong with a 2008 model for the money. It's still a great car.

But i drove the 2009 twice yesterday. And I'm telling you. After the 2nd drive (this time not trying to convince myself mine's better) It is a better car. Think of it as a 4 cyl TL.

Compared to the 2008 TSX it's much quieter, WAY more usable torque, better fuel econmoy, handles better, nicer interior etc.....

The only thing that i might agree on is the looks.... But like all honda products, it seems to grow on you after a year. Soon we'll all think the 2004-2008 Tsx's look stupid. LOL. I remmeber when the 1998 Prelude came out. I thought the 92-96 looks 100x better. But now the 98-01 look better to me.


*EDIT*
I've just been staring at a 2008 and a 2009 side by side for about 5 minutes..... I already think the 2008 looks old. lol

[rc2002]

^ I think you're right on the money about the 04-08's becoming less desirable as time goes on. They'll soon start looking dated. The dealerships factor everything in so that even though the monthly or up front payments are lower, the resale will also be lower so it evens out in the end.


I'm glad the Acura is finally realizing that they need better sound deadening. The road noise in an Acura is exactly the same as you'd find in a Honda.

[SilverRex]

^^^

well I'm sure the designers all tried to come up with something that will make the old ones look old. Then again even if the new look will grow on people, it is not like it is earth shattering. couple with the fact it is heavy and still with around the same output, I have a feeling it wont sell as well as the 1st gen. Especially when you have alot of other choices to compare it too, loaded wise.. and if you take the base at around 32k, again all the other cars comes into play.

[Ek9Max]

Originally posted by richardchan2002
^ I think you're right on the money about the 04-08's becoming less desirable as time goes on. They'll soon start looking dated. The dealerships factor everything in so that even though the monthly or up front payments are lower, the resale will also be lower so it evens out in the end.


I'm glad the Acura is finally realizing that they need better sound deadening. The road noise in an Acura is exactly the same as you'd find in a Honda.

I wouldn't go as far to say all of them are the same....

TL, RL, MDX and nwo TSX, are much quieter than a honda.

But 2008 CSX/TSX/RDX are like a honda....

And remember, this is coming from an acura employee.... ha ha.

[Xtrema]

I found the TL isn't that great on sound deadening either. And the door closing doesn't produce a solid thud. Feel very flimsy.

[treg50]

Originally posted by Ek9Max
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/371000-371999/371153_35_full.jpg

Hm, that front end isn't as hideous as I've seen in other pics, it's growing on me! The back end is taking longer though ;)

Hey Ek9Max, can you get some pics of the black one there?

"Compared to the 2008 TSX it's much quieter, WAY more usable torque, better fuel econmoy, handles better, nicer interior etc..... "

Well crap that sounds good to me. So it sounds like it's better all around with some exception to the exterior. It's also an Acura and that's always a good thing + the traditional stellar reliability and build quality.

[rc2002]

Originally posted by Ek9Max


I wouldn't go as far to say all of them are the same....

TL, RL, MDX and nwo TSX, are much quieter than a honda.

But 2008 CSX/TSX/RDX are like a honda....

And remember, this is coming from an acura employee.... ha ha.



Originally posted by Xtrema
I found the TL isn't that great on sound deadening either. And the door closing doesn't produce a solid thud. Feel very flimsy.

I agree. I used to drive a TL daily. The amount of cabin noise was much higher than it should've been. It actually got worse in the latest generation change for the TL. I've actually test driven all of the cars in the Acura lineup save the new TSX and cabin noise and ride quality were both high on my complaint list.

If they want to try to market their cars with the likes of BMW, MB, and Lexus, they really need to work on the ride engineering.

[Ek9Max]

Well I haven't had much to compare to. But especially with the TL we always get praise on how quiet it is....

Mostly people comaring to BMW and Infiniti. But hey, i haven't driven them, that's just what i hear from customers.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Ek9Max
Well I haven't had much to compare to. But especially with the TL we always get praise on how quiet it is....

Mostly people comaring to BMW and Infiniti. But hey, i haven't driven them, that's just what i hear from customers.

Good sit in a M35. Your ears actually ring from how quiet it is.

[SilverRex]

after comparing the 09 to my 04. I have to say, this isnt a redesign, this is more of a cosmetic dress up like they usually do when its the final year production.

Other than the fact the headlights were stretched and angled, the rest is blah...

not digging the rims, they fail to realize the tsx requireds 10 spoke rims.


Sure the interior may be better and newer looking, but as a owner of the 1st gen. the little improvement just isnt enough for me to switch over. May appeal to new buyers who never driven one.

If I ever sell, my choice would easily be either the 135i, IS350, 335i line ups. :thumbsup:

[DNSRadio]

i dont know if anyone mentioned this before.. but the front looks way too similar to a saturn for my liking...


i think the front is :barf:

but tsx overall is a nice car...
i just wish they didnt have those saturn faces.

[Ek9Max]

Ya I have to agree that it's not earth shattering as far as change.

But like the....

97--> 98 accord
95--> 96 civic
96--> 97 prelude
93-->94 integra


they weren't mind blowing changes and they were still damn good cars, and still sold a bunch....

So take it as you will. I'm sure the 2014 TSX will be mind blowing.

I wish the 2009 tsx was more exciting, as i would sell a bunch more of them. But none the least it's gonna sell.


P.S The rumour around "Acuraland" is that the 2009 TL will be MIND blowing. Like the 2007 MDX was.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Ek9Max
P.S The rumour around "Acuraland" is that the 2009 TL will be MIND blowing. Like the 2007 MDX was.

Yes, so far if all the rumors are true, it will make up for a lame TSX.

It'll be basically MDX in sedan form. Now it's down to the look and the price.

[treg50]

Originally posted by Xtrema
Yes, so far if all the rumors are true, it will make up for a lame TSX.
...
Lame? You must work for Car and Driver because it sounds like you've sat in this new TSX and given it a full test drive evaluation for 7 days.

Most of us here can give our opinion on the exterior but we can't say much about anything else. They've lowered the starting price and removed some options -- doesn't mean we can't pay more if we want those options... just like any other car.

[heavyD]

I'm posting to get this thread into 3 pages to make this the most undeserving sedan (sold 30K in its peak year) to ever get a three page thread.:thumbsup:

[b_t]

Originally posted by heavyD
I'm posting to get this thread into 3 pages to make this the most undeserving sedan (sold 30K in its peak year) to ever get a three page thread.:thumbsup:

I never understood the appeal of this car. Its ugly inside and out, slow, overpriced, and have zero name prestige. They are a huge waste of money.

[treg50]

Originally posted by heavyD
I'm posting to get this thread into 3 pages to make this the most undeserving sedan (sold 30K in its peak year) to ever get a three page thread.:thumbsup:
Don't worry, there's no need. The TSX generates enough interest on it's own.

LOL, "Undeserving"? You must be another Car and Driver employee who's given this car a full evaluation. Here's what you employer has said about the TSX:

Car and Driver, regarding the TSX model to date ('08)
Adapted from the European Honda Accord, the TSX is an edge-of-luxury sports sedan that's quick on its feet, loaded with luxury features, and a model of precise assembly. The TSX has won three Car and Driver 10Best trophies and is an exceptionally satisfying driver's car.
:thumbsup:

More importantly this thread just goes to show how many people have interest in the TSX and the following that the car has.

[SilverRex]

Originally posted by treg50

Don't worry, there's no need. The TSX generates enough interest on it's own.

LOL, "Undeserving"? You must be another Car and Driver employee who's given this car a full evaluation. Here's what you employer has said about the TSX:

:thumbsup:

More importantly this thread just goes to show how many people have interest in the TSX and the following that the car has.

No doubt the 1st gen tsx had to be worth something to attain those honors, but with faster, newer and better cars in the segament. That might just change. or has already begun changing. Look to them to nib pick on how lack of power it has, and more so than ever for the 2nd gen. its going to put it behind its pack.

[Aleks]

HAHA as I thought about posting this thread I figured it might not get a single reply and almost didn't bother. :rofl:

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Aleks
HAHA as I thought about posting this thread I figured it might not get a single reply and almost didn't bother. :rofl:

I had to post regarding the Saturn ripoff chrome grill but now I'm more interested in making the irrelevant relevant. Three pages FTW!

[heavyD]

Originally posted by treg50

Don't worry, there's no need. The TSX generates enough interest on it's own.

Dude 30K sales in the US is like 1000 in Canada. It means a handfull of Honda fanboys and Asians in the US bought the car.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by Xtrema


Good sit in a M35. Your ears actually ring from how quiet it is.
That car is a tractor compared to the LS :)

[Inzane]

I'll miss the old (1st gen) TSX. My wife & and I ALMOST bought one back in 2005. I loved everything about it, except the power.

I loved the exterior styling, loved the interior, the 6spd gearbox was to die for, awesome seats, etc.

I have no idea how the new one drives yet, but so far they have not addressed its biggest shortcoming which was POWER. Second, they've ruined the styling IMO. I do not like the 2009's front, the back, or even the wheels. :thumbsdow

I'll be shopping for my next daily driver this time next year, and this car will probably get dropped off my shortlist fairly quickly.

[treg50]

Compared to the outgoing TSX, the 2009 is bigger, slightly heavier, and hp is down to 201 from 205 but the interior is more spacious, it handles better, it gets better fuel economy, torque is up to 172 from 164 lb-ft (and spread over a wider rpm range) and emissions are lower --- and that's just a few of the improvements.

Here's the rest:

Canadian Driver: 2009 TSX - First Drive
http://www.canadiandriver.com/testdrives/2009-acura-tsx.htm


Originally posted by SilverRex
No doubt the 1st gen tsx had to be worth something to attain those honors, but with faster, newer and better cars in the segament. That might just change. or has already begun changing. Look to them to nib pick on how lack of power it has, and more so than ever for the 2nd gen. its going to put it behind its pack.
Definitely, the competition is slightly better than 2 or 3 years ago. Power may be an issue for some but for a little more perspective:

2009 TSX ($32,900) has 201-hp and 176 lb-ft.
2008 IS250 ($31,900) has 206-hp and 185 lb-ft.
2008 BMW 323i ($35,900) has 200-hp and 180 lb-ft.

The TSX is still competitive and the competition doesn't have much to brag about.

[bobby_lu]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2

That car is a tractor compared to the LS :)

But its relatively in the same class. Not 2x the price.

[blownz]

^ you would rather have 1 extra hp and lose 4 pounds of torque? Don't forget 1 japanese hp does not equal 1 german hp. :poosie:

There is much more to it though like you mention. A buddy of mine bought a tsx when I bought my 3 series. He liked the 3 series better, but his pocket book said he had to drive either the base 323i or the tsx and he went with the tsx because of all of the features for the price. He only kept the car for a year because he was dissapointed every day with his decision. Refinement was the biggest problem with the tsx and low end power was the other. Honda had to cheap out somewhere though. And you can see it in things like no struts to hold up the hood or truck. I mean even cobalts have those. :D

[benyl]

Originally posted by b_t


I never understood the appeal of this car. Its ugly inside and out, slow, overpriced, and have zero name prestige. They are a huge waste of money.

Sorry, your opinion on this matter has no relevance as you drive a Tacoma.

:D :D

[benyl]

Originally posted by treg50
Definitely, the competition is slightly better than 2 or 3 years ago. Power may be an issue for some but for a little more perspective:

2009 TSX ($32,900) has 201-hp and 176 lb-ft.
2008 IS250 ($31,900) has 206-hp and 185 lb-ft.
2008 BMW 323i ($35,900) has 200-hp and 180 lb-ft.

The TSX is still competitive and the competition doesn't have much to brag about.

You are comparing a bloated 4 banger to two 6 cylinder engines. There is no way the 4 banger can be as refined as the other two.

The torque curves will have much more area on the sixes and you will feel the difference.

[rc2002]

Originally posted by blownz
Honda had to cheap out somewhere though. And you can see it in things like no struts to hold up the hood or truck. I mean even cobalts have those. :D

What do you expect? TSX is really only a rebadged euro Accord. The actually cars marketed as Acuras like the RL and TL have them.

I agree with the rest of your post though. Even with the revised SAE numbers, you can't compare the cars on paper. I was in your friends shoes at one point - I was looking to buy a car and I didn't buy the TSX because I knew I wouldn't have kept it if I did.

[blownz]

Originally posted by richardchan2002


What do you expect? TSX is really only a rebadged euro Accord. The actually cars marketed as Acuras like the RL and TL have them.


I never said I expected it. Just that it is little details like that people miss when they are looking at bang for the buck. And the TL doesn't have struts either (on the trunk at least). Not sure about the RL though.

[gpomp]

struts on the trunk is pretty low on my list of things to look for when buying a car. lol

[heavyD]

We need four pages. Keep em coming!!

[Xtrema]

The TSX is so ugly, even Acura try to disown it.


From a styling standpoint, the new TSX is pleasant but unremarkable; it also marks the end of an era, the company suggests. “From now on,” Dan Bonawitz, an American Honda executive vice president, told me, “I promise you an Acura will look like nothing else on the road.” Specifically, an Acura will no longer look like a Honda — starting, um, right after this model.

At least there's hope for TL.

[Ek9Max]

Originally posted by benyl


You are comparing a bloated 4 banger to two 6 cylinder engines. There is no way the 4 banger can be as refined as the other two.

The torque curves will have much more area on the sixes and you will feel the difference.

well i'm sure the people who like reliability and fuel economy wouldn't mind the tsx over those 2.... (well i'm sure the lexus is reliable too.)

Obviously most of us beyond member don't care about stuff like that. But I get asked every other day about stuff like that.

[benyl]

Originally posted by heavyD
We need four pages. Keep em coming!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[SilverRex]

Originally posted by Xtrema
The TSX is so ugly, even Acura try to disown it.



At least there's hope for TL.

haha if anything it will just look like a bigger version of the 09 tsx. the only argument I can have for them is perhaps this is a step towards something else that acura envisions. Time will tell, oh well we'll wait for another 5 year and find out.

or at least until the type Ss come out

[benyl]

Originally posted by Ek9Max


well i'm sure the people who like reliability and fuel economy wouldn't mind the tsx over those 2.... (well i'm sure the lexus is reliable too.)

Obviously most of us beyond member don't care about stuff like that. But I get asked every other day about stuff like that.

Around town, the TSX gets marginally better mileage. On the highway, the 323 is better.

As far as reliability of the engine, I think they are all on par.

[blownz]

Originally posted by gpomp
struts on the trunk is pretty low on my list of things to look for when buying a car. lol

lol I agree, but I like poking fun at the fact that a 15k economy car from Chevrolet has them and the 35k 'luxury' car from Acura doesn't. :D

And they are a pita if you do have a full trunk of lugage and you need to rearange just to close the truck lid.

[treg50]

Originally posted by gpomp
struts on the trunk is pretty low on my list of things to look for when buying a car. lol
:rofl: :rofl:

Originally posted by richardchan2002
What do you expect? TSX is really only a rebadged euro Accord. The actually cars marketed as Acuras like the RL and TL have them.
...
Lame, "Acuras are just Hondas" lol that's so old and tired, you know that. It's the last argument of the desperate. That makes it the 3rd or 4th time you're said that in this thread? It's called International Operations and Marketing, platform sharing, etc. get over it.


Originally posted by heavyD
We need four pages. Keep em coming!!
Ohhh, this is because the new Evo got less interest... well what can you say... better close your eyes, HERE IT COMES.

[b_t]

Originally posted by Xtrema
The TSX is so ugly, even Acura try to disown it.



At least there's hope for TL.

Ah, so they are just going to start ripping off Cadillac now?


Originally posted by benyl


Sorry, your opinion on this matter has no relevance as you drive a Tacoma.

:D :D

I knew I should have bought a car to fit in :rofl:

[heavyD]

Originally posted by treg50
Ohhh, this is because the new Evo got less interest... well what can you say... better close your eyes, HERE IT COMES.

Don't worry I've seen the light. Personally owning three Hondas in the past didn't do it but thanks to beyond.ca I see the light. Honda is all that is good in automobiles. The new TSX is an incredible machine worthy of four pages, hell we can do better. Five pages FTW! We can do it.:thumbsup: