Need electrical help with car racing sim.

[tictactoe2004]

I'm far from an electricial and am in need of some assistance from someone who has some knowledge in wiring. I am building a racing sim for live for speed, rfactor and gran turismo 5 prologue... The pedals, shifter, steering wheel, dash and ebrake are all setup and working.. I'm at the point where I want to install some LED lighting and use the factory headlamp on/off switch for a couple things... To be an on/off switch for the LED's and to send a signal to the remote wire on the cd-deck so it turns on.

I have managed to get a wiring diagram from someone at vwvortex as to what the pin outs on the switch do..

Wiring Diagram - Click Here (http://mit.edu/dennis/www/vw/switch.html)

If possible I would also like to light up the backlit part of the dash buttons and use the dimmer to dim the dash buttons and the interior LED's.

I know for LED's your not supposed to just lower voltage, you should be using pusle modulation... I don't know which one the factory VW switch does, i'm assuming it's LED's that are used in the backlit dash buttons and switches.

Is this possible?

Thanks.

[tictactoe2004]

Preview pic:


http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn304/wtfimnameless/Car%20Sim/Stage%203/DSC02667.jpg

[92_VTEC_lude]

sorry I can not help you out but I just want to say
you got a heck of a serious rig for racing sim man....:thumbsup:
the best I can do for my rig is 3 of 22 inches monitor and a racing wheel on my table....:D
your rig gives me some idea to do this summer....:D

[Speedy]

First let me say that is sweet!

Why are you using LED to light it...is that what the back lighting all ready has? if it was me I would stick with what ever lights were there (probably 12v bulbs) and just use a decent regulated 12v power supply.

Have you considered putting an audio deck back in? would probably require another separate power supply but would be sweet!

[gretz]

wow, thats impressive - cant help either but wow

[tictactoe2004]

Originally posted by Speedy
First let me say that is sweet!

Why are you using LED to light it...is that what the back lighting all ready has? if it was me I would stick with what ever lights were there (probably 12v bulbs) and just use a decent regulated 12v power supply.

Have you considered putting an audio deck back in? would probably require another separate power supply but would be sweet!

I don't know what type of bulbs are used in the backlighting on the dash buttons... I don't want to use 12v bulbs because of the heat.. I want to go with LED lighting since the inside is carpeted...

I will be putting in a pioneer deck with bluetooth for audio with four speakers and a sub.. I will have a seperate 13.8V 10a power supply for that... the sub will be a home audio amplified sub.. so just need to run the rca from the deck to the sub after. I will then have seperate volume for music and gaming..

It's still far from complete but it's slowly getting there. I still need to find a good deal on a matching set of momo wheel, shift knob, e-brake handle and pedals.. then a nice racing seat. recaro or bride or something... it should be done in a month or two.

[tictactoe2004]

Here's a video of the screens working.. Still needing help with electrical and that switch.

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[Cooked Rice]

LEDs just run on normal DC voltage. You can use a potentiometer(an adjustable resistor) for dimming them. LEDs need to be "forward biased" which means voltage must be applied to them in correct polarity (negative to negative, positive to positive). They have a "on" voltage, this is the voltage that must be applied to the LED before it turns "on" and starts to conduct current. The operating voltage for the LED will usually be stated on the package the LEDs come in.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Rectifier_vi_curve.GIF

Now if you hook up a LED backwards, and crank up the voltage it will hit it's "breakdown region" and fry the LED. So always make sure polarity is correct.

What's the easiest and least mind numbing way to hook up LEDs? Personally using a power supply like 12Vs, and hooking them up in parallel with a resistor in series with each LED to reduce the voltage for each LED so you don't fry them.

I can sketch out a sample wiring diagram that could work for your setup if you wish.

[Dooms_Bane]

WOW just wow that is amazing, crazy work man crazy...

[tictactoe2004]

Originally posted by Cooked Rice
LEDs just run on normal DC voltage. You can use a potentiometer(an adjustable resistor) for dimming them. LEDs need to be "forward biased" which means voltage must be applied to them in correct polarity (negative to negative, positive to positive). They have a "on" voltage, this is the voltage that must be applied to the LED before it turns "on" and starts to conduct current. The operating voltage for the LED will usually be stated on the package the LEDs come in.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Rectifier_vi_curve.GIF

Now if you hook up a LED backwards, and crank up the voltage it will hit it's "breakdown region" and fry the LED. So always make sure polarity is correct.

What's the easiest and least mind numbing way to hook up LEDs? Personally using a power supply like 12Vs, and hooking them up in parallel with a resistor in series with each LED to reduce the voltage for each LED so you don't fry them.

I can sketch out a sample wiring diagram that could work for your setup if you wish.

Ok so with a potentiometer I heard it's hard on the LED's and they will not all be the same brightness.. thats why I heard your supposed to use that pulse modulator so it basically makes the LEDs blink so fast you cannot see it.. I also heard it will extend the lifespan of the LEDs if done this way.

I will have 13.8V of power in the car sim to power the deck. I can take power from there or buy a seperate 12v power supply. I'm sure I can get 8-10 LED's to light up with an on off switch, its the intergration of the cars headlamp switch that throws me off a little.. and using that switch to power the remote wire from the deck... so you get in the car sim, flick on the headlamp and your LED's light up and your deck comes on. If you would be able to draw out something like that it would be SUCH a huge help :)

Thank you all for you help and comments :)

[Cooked Rice]

So in this diagram we will be using Red LEDs rated at 2 Volts forward voltage each @ a current draw of 20mA each.

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8403/93291079gu9.jpg

Okay so our goal here is to supply 2 volts to each LED. And when that happens the LED should draw aprox. 20mA from the power supply. Your power supply is probably at least a few amps, so we shouldn't have to worry about the Amperage.


Okay so the power source gives out 13.8 volts. We need to reduce that so each LED gets 2 volts. We will use individual resistors to do this.


When wiring in parallel each of the parallel loads will be supplied with the SAME voltage as the SOURCE voltage. That means the voltage across BOTH LED and Resistor in each "bank" will equal 13.8 Volts. -BUT remember the LEDs only want 2 volts each. So what do we do? We chose a correct resistors to soak up the other 11.8 volts. 13.8 - 2 = 11.8


Okay so lets calculate what each resistor has to be using ohms law:

Resistance = voltage/current

Okay voltage, how much voltage do we want the resistor to "soak" up? 11.8V

Now current, how much current is going to be going through the "bank"? Well current is the same for each load within a series type circuit. And in each "bank" the LED and resistor are in "series". So remember how much the LEDs drew? 20mA.

So lets calculate:

R=V/I(current)

11.8v/20mA = 590 Ohms of resistance.

But 590 ohm resistors are uncommon, so you use the closest ones: 560 or 520.

There you go, you will need 590 ohms of resistance to supply the LED with 2 volts.

The beauty of parallel circuits?
You can have as MANY "banks" of the SAME LEDs and they will all use the SAME resistance values per each resistor.

Now in the drawing you see a pot (adjustable resistor). You can find these in all sorts of resistance values. Connect it in series with the battery before your parallel banks and you can adjust the amount of voltage the "banks" each receive. Good values are 0 to 1K ohms pots you can go higher if you want to dim them even more. Make sure the pots are rated for at least 1W so they don't overheat.

Even though the LEDs may be rated for 2Vs, and you supply them with less than 2V they will still dim. Until the voltage gets too low.

I finished my first year of aircraft avionics(basically aircraft electricians) at sait this year, so that is where I get most of my knowledge from. I know n1zmo on here is a 2nd year graduate, and he could probably correct me if I made any mistakes. But i'm pretty sure it's correct since this is rather basic stuff compared to the other things we learn/do.

[tictactoe2004]

I totally appreciate and understand what your saying for hooking up the LED's but my main problem is still the integration to the headlight on off switch that I linked the picture of in my first post.

The switch is much more than an on/off switch... it has 17 connections on the bottom of it. Once I have my string of LED's lit up and ready to power like in your diagram above I need to either hook it up directly through the headlamp on/off switch or have the headlamp switch run some sort of a relay that can be attached to an on/off switch.

Also with regards to the 0-1K pot.. The stock VW dimmer is a pot as well - i just don't know what its rated at or what of the 3 wires do what, i need to find out somehow if that stock dimmer can dim the LED's if possible.

Thanks again for all the help, I really do appreciate and need it :P This project turned out being a little bigger than first planned.

[frozenrice]

Nice work!

[InLoveWitRSX]

damn thats sick... I play lfs and I want a station like that haha

[Cooked Rice]

Usually automotive pots will be close to 0 ohms resistance and higher. So you don't have to worry about the LEDs not being "bright" enough. As for the pot, you should be able to use 2 of the 3 wires. Usually the middle one and either one of the outer wires. We used pots in school which had 3 leads and that's how they worked.

You connect the middle one and one of the outer ones. The reason some pots have 3 leads is so you can:

Have FULL resistance when turned 'fully counter clockwise'.

or hook up the opposite lead:

And have LEAST resistance when turned 'fully counter clockwise' and vise versa.

[Supa Dexta]

0 ohms and higher eh? thats makes a lot of sense.

[broken_legs]

to the OP:

Nice Rig! :thumbsup:


Originally posted by Supa Dexta
0 ohms and higher eh? thats makes a lot of sense.

0 Ohms and Up.....

When you turn it to 0, its 0 Ohms. :dunno:





OP Says:I'm far from an electricial and am in need of some assistance from someone who has some knowledge in wiring. I am building a racing sim for live for speed, rfactor and gran turismo 5 prologue... The pedals, shifter, steering wheel, dash and ebrake are all setup and working.. I'm at the point where I want to install some LED lighting and use the factory headlamp on/off switch for a couple things... To be an on/off switch for the LED's and to send a signal to the remote wire on the cd-deck so it turns on.

I have managed to get a wiring diagram from someone at vwvortex as to what the pin outs on the switch do..

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj259/broken_legs/golf.jpg

To me it looks pretty straight forward.

Your light switch has 5 settings Off, Park, Head, Fog, and Fog Rear.

The diagram shows on each setting fo the switch, which pins will be connected to which circuits of your vehicle.


What you'd have to do is figure out what you want to turn on at what switch point and then splice into the circuits listed Xr, Xz, 30 etc...


EDIT: maybe a simpler way to look at it would be that when you set it to 'Park', Pins 13,14,16 will be connected to pin 15.

When you have it on 'Fog', pin1 gets connected to Pin 8 etc...

[Supa Dexta]

haha I know how a pot works. My point was "0 ohms and higher" what else is it going to be? 0 ohms and negative 50 ohms? I've been drinking, I thought it was funny in my head.

[broken_legs]

Originally posted by Supa Dexta
haha I know how a pot works. My point was "0 ohms and higher" what else is it going to be? 0 ohms and negative 50 ohms? I've been drinking, I thought it was funny in my head.

At first I was on your side, but the more I thought about the simplicity of the comment, I began to realize it was brilliant.

[TaiChino]

props

[Cooked Rice]

By saying 0 ohms or higher i was trying to make it easier for someone not too familiar with working with electronics. Because pots range from all resistances. I was inferring "0 ohms" to no resistance. A good portion of pots manufactured don't go down to 0 ohms resistance, they may start at 10,200, 300 etc etc etc.

[tictactoe2004]

ok obviously I was way too stoned when reading all that shit... I think I understand how it works now. I will draw something out at home tonight and upload it and see if you guys think it will be ok.

Thanks again for all your help guys...

[tictactoe2004]

Originally posted by broken_legs
Your light switch has 5 settings Off, Park, Head, Fog, and Fog Rear.

And if it matters, my light switch only has two of those settings, I just don't know if it's "off" and "head" or "park" and "head". I guess the euro switches have the off and fog lamps.. but not the canadian ones.

[n1zm0]

Originally posted by Cooked Rice
LEDs just run on normal DC voltage. You can use a potentiometer(an adjustable resistor) for dimming them. LEDs need to be "forward biased" which means voltage must be applied to them in correct polarity (negative to negative, positive to positive). They have a "on" voltage, this is the voltage that must be applied to the LED before it turns "on" and starts to conduct current. The operating voltage for the LED will usually be stated on the package the LEDs come in.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Rectifier_vi_curve.GIF

Now if you hook up a LED backwards, and crank up the voltage it will hit it's "breakdown region" and fry the LED. So always make sure polarity is correct.

What's the easiest and least mind numbing way to hook up LEDs? Personally using a power supply like 12Vs, and hooking them up in parallel with a resistor in series with each LED to reduce the voltage for each LED so you don't fry them.

I can sketch out a sample wiring diagram that could work for your setup if you wish.

LOL!! Mr B really drilled that diode lab into your head hey? that gdamned graph. do you know how many times i had to do that zener diode bs!!:banghead: Cooked Rice's ohm's lab and drawings seem correct, var. resistor before the bank of resistors/LEDs and put them that way like he said to distribute the loads/draws

but all in all your driving sim rig is amazing, and honestly i don't even want to get into how to wire it unless i was doing it myself, but you have a wire list there for the variable resistor so you should be ok.

personally i wouldn't do the LED thing, use what the car has or buy some good quality illuminated rocker switches, you said you are worried about heat, heat coming from bulbs smaller than peas(newer automotive switches are backlit by really small bulbs from what i have seen, like as small as you pinky finger nail)? they are so small and there is no cooling behind the guage cluster or anywhere where a backlit switch might reside in cars anyways, so i wouldnt worry about things burning up,

so if you have all these parts and you are worried about heat, take an automotive blower motor or 12v fan from princess auto and run it behind the cluster or wherever needs cooling using some pipe/hose etc, you could even connect it to some ducts and use a car vent for those hot days indoors lol, thats most of the electronics are cooled on airliners, bleed air or airconditioning behind the panels.

edit:

Originally posted by Cooked Rice

But 590 ohm resistors are uncommon, so you use the closest ones: 560 or 520.

There you go, you will need 590 ohms of resistance to supply the LED with 2 volts.



or you can put different values in series to come up as close as possible to 590 ohms

or go to

tyco electronics (http://catalog.tycoelectronics.com/TE/bin/TE.Connect?C=1&M=BYPN&TCPN=7-1879083-0&RQPN=7-1879083-0) and order a bunch of these since you are doing multiple LEDs (you can buy your LEDs from here too, bulk), before you install them just look em over, colour should be green-white-black-black-gold/silver if i remember the colour code correctly.

GL!

[Spoons]

That is insane. Can I be your friend? LOL

[tictactoe2004]

I wanted to add some LED's down by the pedals and by the sub box behind the seat just to give it some glow. I usually play after its dark out and I usually shut off all the lights in the room but I find its just a little too dark to see the stuff in the cockpit. I figured a few blue LED's here and there will give it an arcade-ish feel and give me just enough light to see stuff a little better... The reason I wanted some LED's also is because the inside is all carpeted and thats where some of the LED's will be.

I just can't wait for the new seat and momo wheel :) oh it will be fun when its all done.