Scammer alert (Beyond member related)

[TomcoPDR]

EDITTED: Shortened, tried taking out cheap shots and sticking to facts; same story line.

First and foremost, this is nothing personal against the Beyond member who (I feel) took advantage of me, I'm just upset of what he did, thinking he can get away with it.

Continuing from here http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&postid=2421995#post2421995

So after Rage's sanction and his past example that it's ok to admit weakness for niceness and get suckered sometimes (i.e. certain misunderstanding with a sporting fitness promotion) I think I owe my time to write this ensuring Beyond isn't encouraged as a breeding ground for scammers and matchstick-boys pulling in 6-figures already.

Sorry, this version will be a little long, just trying to provide more details of the situation from my side.

Story:

- In Summer, 2007 Beyond member: Black_Radiation (Jordan) contacted me with some body damage on his 2004-2005 Dodge Ram pick-up (side swipe in rear right boxside by taillamp, and numberous creases on top of left front fender)

- For those who might not know, my main income job in my automotive industry isn't coming from Beyond.ca. Though I really appreicates the business and respect from here (hope my feedbacks and reviews shows), but the mere fact of reality is that my primary income is what supports my time and efforts being on Beyond. It is nice however to meet some great Beyonders and see their whips, but Beyond income just suppliments some extra cash for my porno rentals, gas, couple of ding-dongs and Spam and noodles while I'm home; BUT I do give it my best on every Beyond repair and ensure the Beyonder leaves with happy endings.

- ^^^ So I pretty much told Jordan (Black_Radiation) this and everyone else when I'm busy, but maybe just his charm or sweet talk, he replied by saying: "I'm the head stereo/audio installer at Future Shop Deerfoot Meadows, well maybe you can squeeze me in and stop by the shop during business time when you're in town." (I'm a real sucker in this "circle of trust, we're all in the automotive business crap, help each other out")

- I finished up a site in Northern Alberta and was getting sent towards Eastern Canada, was just stopping in town for 3-4 days. On Friday, August 24, 2007 I got into Calgary traffic at 4-5pm, Deerfoot Meadows was on the way home but traffic was tighter than an '08 noob about to get pwned, so I thought "take care of a fellow Beyond-man, let's stop into Future Shop Deerfoot Meadows and just look at the body damage Jordan was talking about"

- Without a doubt, the right rear boxside was suppose to be a bodyshop (needed repaint), but the body panel was pushed in (taillamp cracked from the swipe) Told him this. Maybe I'm just a sucker for punishment or just his puppy dog eyes, told him if I was going to charge him, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING he's paying my PDR services for "push for paint" where I level out the dented panel (not factory finish like ideal PDR), so all he has to pay is a bodyshop or spot repair place to repaint the panel.

- I was only going to charge him $400 for the collision and the PDR fixable dents (price wise, please realize this is a bodyshop job, not your average text-book door dings "save money with PDR") ... based on OUR calculations, he'll still come up ahead ($400 to me to level collision, and then $300-500 towards bodyshop for paint). Had he did this completely through bodyshop, it could (I don't know) had cost him $1200- $1500 (pending if boxside replace, or if bodyman will spend the time bondo-ing and leveling those ridges flat)

- That was the deal (I THOUGHT) we struck, on top of me telling him: "I dunno when I can do it though, this is a busy 2007 hail season, go to head back out in a few days"

- Again, maybe the puppy dog eyes, etc... Jordan initials and suggested if I could do it tomorrow, Saturday (since I'm going out till whenever in 2 days)

- AT HIS SUGGESTION: He suggested to trade my $400 service for a supplied and installation of an alarm/remote starter on my vehicle. I was going to sell the truck I drove, but I'm a pretty easy going guy so I agreed to his "whatever brand, wherever you got it, just install it for the deal" but I'll take a rain check from your end. AT HIS SUGGESTION: He says: "And we can exchange Beyond feedback afterwards, baby cakes" (well he didn't say baby cakes)

- Here's my first evidence on morning of Saturday, August 25, 2007 our phone conversation @ 10:25am confirming we're going to meet at "HIS head installer SHOP" @ FS Deerfoot Meadows at noon time.
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/jordanscams4.jpg

- Didn't have the camera handy to snap repair photos (this is probably why he thinks he's going to ignore me, since I'll be upfront, there's no legal standing on my part)... just because our trucks are packed during travel, I really don't take photos of EVERY single repair I do, lol... Plus I didn't think I'd get suckered completely like this, espeically someone in the automotive field. :(
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1563.jpg

- My material witnesses are: (1) Bryan, another F.S. installer that day. (2) Amy, electronics manager I was told, she now works at Shawnessy Future Shop, I think manager at the CD racks. (3) Another young dude manager who drove a lowered 2003-2005 Mazda 3 sedan, charcoal color wanting me to fix his hood and side door dents. (4) And other employees who came out back that day, seems like anyone under the age of 20 are managers at Future Shop able to give "deals" though...

- Finished the repair with every eye witness' satisfaction/commpliments (i.e. wow looked better than before, thanks for showing us WHILE YOU WORKED, etc...)

- Then I set sail to my main income job

Evidence of me "feeling" getting screwed

- Contacted Jordan 4-5 days before October, 2007 thanksgiving weekend (I deleted that PM :( mine always floods), seeing if he could finish his end of the bargain on the supply install alarm/R.S. on my winter beater.

- ^^^ To which he said he was too busy for me, I needed to contact him 2 weeks in advance. Ok, no big deal, I'm busy myself and only in Calgary 4-5 days, and already I might not had given enough notice... so I swallowed that.

- I smartened up in November (contacting for free time 2 weeks advance during my year-end break)... Here's my evidence (you can see my initial PM and his response):
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/jordanscams1.jpg

- So I gave him 2 weeks (after above ^^) and contacted him again, by now it's kind of setting in what's going on... His reasoning now is that he no longer works at F.S. and needed more time to complete the deal (I lost another PM where I responded with, you can do it at my house I got a garage heater and I can pull all trim panels in advance for you, just need your expertise to hook it up)
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/jordanscams2.jpg

^^^ And the "spool of cable" he's talking about, it really is fucking sentimental to me, I bought that @ crappy tire $19.99 from $27.99 after losing my life savings in 2001 (stock market, had enough to purchase 2-3 Hummer H1 alpha, CASH), and that I bought that extension with my $6/hour job washing dishes during college :( (before getting back into PDR)... thanks for offering to drop it off before you took off from F.S. man :thumbsup:
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1852.jpg

Also thanks for "I'll take care of you" (last part from his response ^^^)

- Finally last/latest PM with him in February (left him alone, cause I had to head out of town after Christmas anyways)
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/jordanscams3.jpg

These are just my side of PM evidence, (in case he's going to play dumb "what deal?"), is that he never denied we never struck any deals, but just kept on putting me off forever and forever without any solid dates or solutions; hoping I'll trail off and forget about it or take it like a man.

After the above February "he's busy, check schedule", he still posts on Beyond trying to trade his stereo/audio install for some :poosie: (dated March, 08)
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/jordanscam-1.jpg


As well as advertising for his services (after the February's "I'm too busy for YOUR free install agreement" ) Now as far as we know, Jordan = Black_Radiation (unless sorry, there's another Jordan that works at autotemp)
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/jordanscams-1.jpg

[TomcoPDR]

EDITTED: Shortened, took out part about the whole "feedback" system/ he had 48 hours to respond "or else" , etc... that got confusing

- I really can't morally give him positive feedback

- (Inital before editted post stated I'd give him a neutral for either paying me $400 since I already installed my own alarm/starter... or JOKELY professionally re-dent his truck, only taking my dent repair service areas back)

- Ended up giving him a negative from his first response to this thread... (just because from that first response didn't seem like he was going to do anything constructive; so that was appropriate right after reading that post)... Currently, Jordan has agreed to making things right.

- I know Jordan might have some friends here, and again, this is nothing personal against him... just a little disaapointed by his actions; espeically when there really isn't a lot of dent guys in Canada. (NOT boosting myself, you can tell me I suck if you like)

- I personally PMed Jordan after making THIS thread so we this isn't a witch hunt. He did call me, as well as responding here, as well as going to make things right.

This thread was made on Beyond because this once was private matter couldn't be resolved between myself and Jordan. I personally failed and gave up and found closure to not seem anything from Jordan (when he was giving me the run-around with install, I found closure in parting with the money $400)... but when I installed my own starter; I had closure of not needing him for the install deal anymore.

On top of me feeling people on Beyond should have more responsiblity in the marketplace between Beyonders... I felt Jordan owed the Beyond crowd an explaination. (since I'm no longer privately seeking anything from Jordan for myself.)

Here are some of my install pics for fun, and to prove I wasn't about the money, purposely buying my own Compustar R.S. and installing it myself... I only have grade 10 and 11 high school electronics course (didn't do too well), mechanic 3rd-yr. apprenticeship, bodyshop bitch-boy, detailer/lot-boy, dent guy experience but I still managed to do the damn thing myself. Which is what sadens me thinking for someone that does this professionally on a daily bases, how freakin' hard is it to just squeeze 2-3 hours of his/her time to complete this task? Not just that, but an agreement deal for which he already got paid for. (I already fixed his vehicle, paying him with my service)

Also ended up installing my own stereo (Jordan told me he would do it during the alarm/starter install)

Stereo install in March, 08, done before the Remote Starter (thinking I still had hope in people's trust that Jordan will come through)
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1567.jpg http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1565.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1570.jpg http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1571.jpg



Remote Starter, and yes, I really didn't professionally know WTF I was doing, lol... just basic automotive concept :(
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1834.jpg http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1841.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1850.jpg http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1833.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1840.jpg http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1854.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1851.jpg http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1848.jpg



Lastly, please also give Jordan a chance to explain his side, to give him credit, I didn't give him an official "this is your last warning to complete the deal or else I'll tell"... I didn't wanted to do that because that'll feel weird during the install, plus, I didn't want mystery electronic glitches from wires not being diode or resistanced, for "some reason"

EDIT: Sorry for giving the wrong impression... in terms of his offering to exchange my services for alarm/R.S. it was NOT stated that it was coming from Future Shop (i.e. theft)... I NEVER mentioned he claims to give me free Future Shop items, please reference if I accidently come off that way, never thought it would get interpreted it that way, could be an old unit he owned... I was nice enough to not really care, just any alarm/R.S. on my beater... and that's what doesn't make sense to me why he's putting it off

[A790]

Let the motherfucker burn.

There's nothing worse than scammers, especially on a car forum like this. It's sad when you can't even trust someone with 800 posts and a 3 year member on the site.

[JRSC00LUDE]

If it doesn't get resolved asap I'd just call future shop, ask to speak to the manager, and ask if it would be convenient to come by on saturday for your install.

Mention you couldn't get ahold of Jordan but he said he would use his position as the head cheese there to arrange a complimentary supply/install for some work you did on his personal vehicle and saturday is the only day you can make it in.

[Jlude]

What a cocksucker... really though.

Tomco is a good guy...

I guess we'll have to see what Jordan has to say for himself, if he even wants to try and tackle this probelm.

[analbumcover]

wow i read that whole thing, Tom you love to ramble my friend, but with reason. For the quality work you provide, you should most definitely be compensated, regardless if its through trade or cash he should definitely be sending something your way

good luck!

[schurchill39]

Well worded and sorry to hear your kindness got taken advantage of by some scamming douche.

[MintRacer]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE
If it doesn't get resolved asap I'd just call future shop, ask to speak to the manager, and ask if it would be convenient to come by on saturday for your install.

Mention you couldn't get ahold of Jordan but he said he would use his position as the head cheese there to arrange a complimentary supply/install for some work you did on his personal vehicle and saturday is the only day you can make it in.

haha as if that would ever fly.. they will just tell you to go pound sand

[inline6turbo]

I've known Jordon for years... I really never saw this in him...

I'll go see what he says Tom, I'm sorry that it had to boil down to this.

:banghead:

[shadowz]

Sorry to hear Thomas, its really sad when good people are taken advantage of, it was good seeing you last week.

Nick

[GQBalla]

i vote for to redent his car professionally -

cause personally i would love to see it done.

jordon your a scammer and im not putting that to cover your name or something.

tomco seems like a good guy and everyone on beyond that has had work done from him seem happy.

question though how will you find his truck and redent it?

[stunta666]

"then me or Rage or Beyond mods can glady provide a refund on your body damage to the best of my recollection"
if your talking about damaging his truck the last thing you wanna do is use rage or beyond mods id's on here, fuck you shouldn't even be posting about the refund option. If your gonna fuck someones shit up you don't let them know on a forum for the world to see, be like nike and just do it. Now if his truck gets touched he's going to use all this shit against you and potentially beyond mods. I don't know any mods on here but i'm pretty sure the last thing they want is cops questioning them about some dumb shit.

[anarchy]

Shitty deal, but a good lesson learned to always take payment up front.

Let's wait to see what Jordan's side of it is, but if it is how it seems, then :thumbsdow to him.


+1 to redent professionally if it's all true lol.

[TomcoPDR]

Originally posted by inline6turbo
I've known Jordon for years... I really never saw this in him...

I'll go see what he says Tom, I'm sorry that it had to boil down to this.

:banghead:

Thanks, and I'm not in the "pissed off" mode, I'm really open minded to his REASONS... but the PMs sort of speak for themselves... I don't know what I did wrong to be put off like this.

And I don't need another stereo/audio/install work done, aside from the fact I think I'll do my own from now on, through the help of internet sites or past school research... I actually learn something, next time a stripper driving a Sunfire or Grand Am 2.4L base model that needs an alarm/R.S. I'll know exactly what to do.

Again ironically I think this is a double-edge sword, I kind of should really thank Jordan for me to wake up Calgary is a big dog-eat-dog city now, espeically in the business world, this really is a SMALL TINY amount/issue... I grew up here in the days that you didn't have to know your neighbours, but let's say he has a pick-up truck, you can ring their doorbell and say: "Hey you don't know me, I live 5 doors down, any chance you can haul some lumber for me next time you're at Totem?"

Lesson really is live and learn, and don't be nice.

[TeamBestBud]

Originally posted by A790
Let the motherfucker burn.

There's nothing worse than scammers, especially on a car forum like this. It's sad when you can't even trust someone with 800 posts and a 3 year member on the site.


:werd:

I trust people enough on this site to buy shit from them without even looking at it first. Can't let him get away with this BS.

[TomcoPDR]

Originally posted by stunta666
"then me or Rage or Beyond mods can glady provide a refund on your body damage to the best of my recollection"
if your talking about damaging his truck the last thing you wanna do is use rage or beyond mods id's on here, fuck you shouldn't even be posting about the refund option. If your gonna fuck someones shit up you don't let them know on a forum for the world to see, be like nike and just do it. Now if his truck gets touched he's going to use all this shit against you and potentially beyond mods. I don't know any mods on here but i'm pretty sure the last thing they want is cops questioning them about some dumb shit.

I see your point '08 :( and agree.

Well, like I said this isn't about vandalism and agreed I shouldn't had thrown "Rage or Mods"... but out of anyone on Beyond, those would be the fairest people.

This isn't about damaging the guy's truck, anyone that knows me knows I love cars... I'm talking about taking my services back...

There are 2 CPS members here, this is NOT about damages again... no different than a mechanic taking a starter back or a fence builder taking a newly built fence down... that's where I'm coming from.

Yes, it obivously borderlines the sillyness line... that's why the other option is just to pay the agreed amount :D

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by MintRacer


haha as if that would ever fly.. they will just tell you to go pound sand

No shit Sherlock. The intention of that would be to see how the store manager would feel about thief-boy making side deals for personal gain.

[97'Scort]

Tom, after seeing the evidence you posted up, I've decided I am going to comment.

This guy needs to pay big, no question.

[snowboard]

Originally posted by TeamBestBud



:werd:

I trust people enough on this site to buy shit from them without even looking at it first. Can't let him get away with this BS.

true that, i bought something from graham_a_m and didnt even bother to open the box!

shitty to hear about this.. but honestly tons of people could give a fuck about how they look on a website like this lol...

[analbumcover]

Originally posted by stunta666
"then me or Rage or Beyond mods can glady provide a refund on your body damage to the best of my recollection"
if your talking about damaging his truck the last thing you wanna do is use rage or beyond mods id's on here, fuck you shouldn't even be posting about the refund option. If your gonna fuck someones shit up you don't let them know on a forum for the world to see, be like nike and just do it. Now if his truck gets touched he's going to use all this shit against you and potentially beyond mods. I don't know any mods on here but i'm pretty sure the last thing they want is cops questioning them about some dumb shit.

he gave the guy options. it wouldnt be vandalism if the guy decided ok you can put the dents back rather than pay the $400. and i think that was what Tom was getting at.

Throwing in rage/beyond.ca because it would be fun to see :D

[snowboard]

Originally posted by analbumcover

Throwing in rage/beyond.ca because it would be fun to see :D

Haha why? i dont think they are all exactly the most intimidating streeet brawling types of guys.. legally rage could be pretty scary cause he always has to be ready with all the douche bags on here lol..

[MintRacer]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE


No shit Sherlock. The intention of that would be to see how the store manager would feel about thief-boy making side deals for personal gain.

haha reading > you

slap nuts no longer works there and works at Autotemp now.

[bobby_lu]

Scammer Douches FTL :thumbsdow

Or you could get some beyond member to put $400 worth of dents in his truck..jk:poosie:

On a related note, you should start a pseudo dent removal porn business...you could call it Peeping TomCo. :confused:

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by MintRacer


haha reading > you

slap nuts no longer works there and works at Autotemp now.

Dammit. Busted!!! :banghead:

Oh well, it's gotta happen every now and then! Sorry MintRacer..:rofl:

[TomcoPDR]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE


No shit Sherlock. The intention of that would be to see how the store manager would feel about thief-boy making side deals for personal gain.

We don't know where the alarm/R.S. unit would be coming from... could be from his purchase, old unit that was going to get tossed out anyways, etc... (so that "thief-boy" comment isn't my intentions)

I'm not trying to turn this into a witch hunt making him the bad guy, but just my bad experience with him.



Originally posted by 97'Scort
Tom, after seeing the evidence you posted up, I've decided I am going to comment.

This guy needs to pay big, no question.

Thanks 97'Scort, and thanks for being so helpful when I contacted you about remote start selection, models, advice (no trade secrets given)

Scort helped me out knowing full well I wasn't purchasing anything from him per-sa, but just purely given advice helping another car dude. :)

Anyone in the Edmonton area, '97 Scort is your stereo/install/audito guy :thumbsup:


Originally posted by snowboard


but honestly tons of people could give a fuck about how they look on a website like this lol...

That's what upsets me, I really didn't come on Beyond (professionally) spending all that time on work photos, write-ups to properly profit or make huge "bling bling" from Beyonders, just spend some time to share my automotive industry experience with everyone as a community.






EDIT: Sorry for giving the wrong impression... in terms of his offering to exchange my services for alarm/R.S. it was NOT stated that it was coming from Future Shop (i.e. theft)... I do not want to slander someone (I NEVER mentioned he claims to give me free Future Shop items, please reference if I accidently come off that way), I never thought people would interpret it that way, could be an old unit he owned... I really didn't care (nice enough), just an alarm/R.S. on my beater... and that's what doesn't make sense to me why he's putting it off

[rmk]

I'll bet that he doesn't have the balls to show himself here and make things right.

"At the end of the day, all a man has is his reputation."

[harv91]

Originally posted by TeamBestBud

:werd:
I trust people enough on this site to buy shit from them without even looking at it first. Can't let him get away with this BS.

:werd: I never check if stuff works either i usually just trust people. Feel bad for Tom, sorry you had to deal with such a douche.
Let us know how it turns out...babycakes :D

[stunta666]

Originally posted by analbumcover


he gave the guy options. it wouldnt be vandalism if the guy decided ok you can put the dents back rather than pay the $400. and i think that was what Tom was getting at.

Throwing in rage/beyond.ca because it would be fun to see :D

Do you seriously think buddy would tell him to come and redent his truck to what it was before? and tom could mean whatever he wants but the way it comes off on here is a different story.

Throwing in beyond as a whole is not nearly as bad as using a specific users id. I would be fucking pissed if someone used my name for something i had no involvement in and got hassled about it.

And tomco i really hope he either comes through or gets his ride fucked( by some random punks of course), his truck should be pretty easy to spot in auto temps lot cause he posted pics on here.:guns:

[stunta666]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE


Dammit. Busted!!! :banghead:

Oh well, it's gotta happen every now and then! Sorry MintRacer..:rofl:

I never thought I'd see the day when our very own grammar cop would get busted. I hate dirty cops!:D

[TomcoPDR]

Originally posted by stunta666


Do you seriously think buddy would tell him to come and redent his truck to what it was before? and tom could mean whatever he wants but the way it comes off on here is a different story.

Throwing in beyond as a whole is not nearly as bad as using a specific users id. I would be fucking pissed if someone used my name for something i had no involvement in and got hassled about it.

And tomco i really hope he either comes through or gets his ride fucked( by some random pinks of course), his truck should be pretty easy to spot in auto temps lot cause he posted pics on here.:guns:

You're right stunta, I really shouldn't had done the whole "refund dent"

And sorry Rage or mods for "throwing you guys in", thought it'll actually show I'm trying to be professional when refunding the dent.

And sorry Stunta, I know you don't know me, and for coming off as shady for doing this "giving him his dent back to whatever I feel like"... anyone who's met me know I'll put the dent EXACTLY as I fixed it. But yes, strangers won't know that.

Too late to take words back, so I guess Jordan, $400 is your only option... I'm really not interested in this "bully money" at this point to keep myself, THEREFORE I WILL BE donating this amount to a Beyond event, I honestly don't give a shit about "damaging the guy's truck" blah blah... but just hate getting screwed that's all.

[97'Scort]

Originally posted by TomcoPDR

Thanks 97'Scort, and thanks for being so helpful when I contacted you about remote start selection, models, advice (no trade secrets given)

Scort helped me out knowing full well I wasn't purchasing anything from him per-sa, but just purely given advice helping another car dude. :)

Anyone in the Edmonton area, '97 Scort is your stereo/install/audito guy :thumbsup:

Thanks Tom :) Advice should always be free. Hope you get some closure out of this.

[snowboard]

wtf tomco?
stop being so nice
you got fucked, nodoby is going to shred you for being mad and saying shit lol. it happens. you should out this guy, you really should, and if someone cant see through the "re-dent refund" thing they're an idiot.

Get mad, its healthy :D


Originally posted by 97'Scort


Thanks Tom :) Advice should always be free. Hope you get some closure out of this.

97'scort is also a piaamp. he gave me advice about something i had no idea about and could barely try and explain.

props to honest beyonders.

[Rat Fink]

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[stunta666]

Yeah dude you dont owe me no apology, you don't come off as shady at all. I'd be doing the same as you if it were the other way around. I probably wouldn't even give him the oppurtunity to make it right, i'd just go fuck his ride up.

[5hift]

Originally posted by snowboard
wtf tomco?
stop being so nice
you got fucked, nodoby is going to shred you for being mad and saying shit lol. it happens. you should out this guy, you really should, and if someone cant see through the "re-dent refund" thing they're an idiot.

Get mad, its healthy :D



:werd:

This guy fucked you and will most likely be too much of a bitch to ever use Beyond with the same account, let alone post a rebutal or explanation in this thread.

[laurier]

Let me know if you wanna take this to the streets!! I'll kick his ass!

[snowboard]

Originally posted by laurier
Let me know if you wanna take this to the streets!! I'll kick his ass!


hahahahaha...

[3g4u]

That sucks man. I have not ran into any shady characters in the last 5 years of being on this site thankfully, but i guess there are some to worry about. Thanks for the heads up, and keep up the good work.:thumbsup:

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by 5hift



:werd:

This guy fucked you and will most likely be too much of a bitch to ever use Beyond with the same account, let alone post a rebutal or explanation in this thread.


:werd: :werd: At least we know not to go to Autotemp for any installs. I'd rather not have some clown like that messing with my car.

Tom, I hope that Jordan mans up and compensates you fairly...

[TomcoPDR]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff



:werd: :werd: At least we know not to go to Autotemp for any installs.

Oh crapo, didn't foresee that type of comment...

Ok, another apology from my end. AUTOTEMP HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS, I DON'T KNOW THEM. TO AUTOTEMP: I'M TRUELY SORRY I DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THE "AVOID WHERE THE SCAMMER WORKS" COMMENTS

I was just trying to include everything to prove my evidence in its entirity, Jordan was the one who threw in: "I can't help you now since I don't work at FS anymore, I'm at autotemp, hahaha" (somewhere to that effect)

Thanks for comment Jeff, again AUTOTEMP HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS DEAL. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THEM.

[eb0i]

Sorry to hear about this Tom.

I hope this bitch corrects this fuck up.

I've dealt with Tom for hail damage through insurance and I it was the best autobody experience I have ever had! Tom is so dedicated and polite, and the kind of person he is shows in the work he does, which is top quality!

Fuck the bitch who screwed you. I think he deserves to eat a cock meat sandwich.

[BigBadVlad]

Unfortunate to say the least. Reading this just gave me another reason today to sigh and shake my head. I guess it will be pretty hard to trust someone again to come through on an arrangement/deal at a later date. It's too bad that the whole bartering of services does not work out out times. I was planning on contacting Tom probably in the next few months to see what he could do with a dent I'd like pulled and now because of this I wonder if he will really even want to bother which leaves me with having to go and hope I find a decent Body Shop. The question now is are you going to bother doing work for individuals or will you be sticking to your main sources only?

[1-Bar]

do you have any other way of contacting said guy? If not, I may be of assistance...(if it is the same guy)

[bituerbo]

I say bring AutoTemp's name into this. He was the one promising goods and services (potentially) from said shop. And before that it was FutureShop's name he was dropping.

When I'm making deals and clubbing seals I sure as hell don't drop my company's name in an attempt to sound like a big shot.

[ekguy]

this guys gave beyond a bad name regardless for being a douche and not holding up his side of the deal. Now alot of people will be more weary of people selling shit on here. I will miss the days of buying without looking on beyond. Bought struts off a beyonder not long ago and not only did I get almost new struts which were as advertised but buddy told me there was a bunch of extra shit in the boxes which ended up being all the bolts and lca bolts I needed to get which I didn't need to buy. Now it'll be everyone sorta mistrusting each other due to the fact that people tend to sway towards douchebaggery nowadays in Calgary

[SNAATCH]

What kind of car does he drive? I work right beside that autotemp, like next door over.

[TomcoPDR]

Originally posted by BigBadVlad
Unfortunate to say the least. Reading this just gave me another reason today to sigh and shake my head. I guess it will be pretty hard to trust someone again to come through on an arrangement/deal at a later date. It's too bad that the whole bartering of services does not work out out times. I was planning on contacting Tom probably in the next few months to see what he could do with a dent I'd like pulled and now because of this I wonder if he will really even want to bother which leaves me with having to go and hope I find a decent Body Shop. The question now is are you going to bother doing work for individuals or will you be sticking to your main sources only?
I'm still on here to contribute my repairs photos or time for opinions, as long as I'm welcomed :D

Just that I honestly am really busy within my trade, I'm heading out next week (send me photos, I'll take a look)

I'm not crying, but that's the part that's sad, I try offering something positive (car related) into a car group... everything I've said PDR wise has NOTHING to do with businesses having to come to ME, but just hoping the public will have a good experience using Paintless Dent Removal, or even Bodyshop, or anything automotive.

A lot of time I even straight up tell people to go to another dent shop, lol... I have no problems sharing customers with other high quality, skillful individuals, this market isn't mine.


Originally posted by 1-Bar
do you have any other way of contacting said guy? If not, I may be of assistance...(if it is the same guy)
Well, at this point of me purposely getting my own Compustar and time installing it myself, I'm about the principle man (I even waited till I beat him to installing it myself as an amature, instead of just bullying someone outright)...

I'm really not about "kicking ass" man, not as tough as the MMA sport guys, but I've taken my martial arts (back in the thai boxing, karate, TKD, kung fu days).


Originally posted by bituerbo
I say bring AutoTemp's name into this.
No no no, AUTOTEMP HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS... The deal was struck when Jordan was head installer @ FS, during the time I was trying to get my share, he switched jobs from FS to Autotemp... he never used the Autotemp name in this case (just said he was switching jobs and that I should wait a little longer)


Originally posted by ekguy
this guys gave beyond a bad name regardless for being a douche and not holding up his side of the deal.
Well this bothered me for 9 months before making this thread (or till I got around to installing my own unit), this thread makes me looking like a whiny bitch, I know...

However, after even Rage came out with his misunderstanding about a sporting promotion deal (I'm neutral; story hasn't ended)... and long term Beyonders Ek2.0 and Richardchan2002 misunderstanding with the 1 year $100 oweing.

Rage and the mods spend so much time and efforts into keeping this community top notch, we just don't see it, so I had to embrass MYSELF as well (being sucker) to prevent this site turning into Lord Of the Flies.




Officially, if Jordan pays this $400 I am giving it to the Beyond event fund (use it on the next meet, DTP, next cruise for gas supplement $5 each, etc...)... Or get loonies and a Beyond peelers meet, doesn't matter.

Edit: Had he done this install for me, would had been way cheaper (he knew I didn't care about what brand, if it was new, etc... so product could came from anywhere), and then just 2-3 hours of his time. :( Sad :guns:

[Jlude]

Originally posted by TomcoPDR


Oh crapo, didn't foresee that type of comment...

Ok, another apology from my end. AUTOTEMP HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS, I DON'T KNOW THEM. TO AUTOTEMP: I'M TRUELY SORRY I DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THE "AVOID WHERE THE SCAMMER WORKS" COMMENTS

I was just trying to include everything to prove my evidence in its entirity, Jordan was the one who threw in: "I can't help you now since I don't work at FS anymore, I'm at autotemp, hahaha" (somewhere to that effect)

Thanks for comment Jeff, again AUTOTEMP HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS DEAL. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THEM.

TOM, it's not your fault dude. They'd be glad to know they have a douche working for them.

Guarentee they wouldn't have hired him knowing the kind of person he is.

I certainly would not go to autotemp to have anything done just knowing that he works there.

[eb0i]

So is this guy still at Autotemp?

[1-Bar]

Originally posted by TomcoPDR


I'm really not about "kicking ass" man, not as tough as the MMA sport guys, but I've taken my martial arts (back in the thai boxing, karate, TKD, kung fu days).


oh no, I wasn't talking about an ass kicking, just if you needed a better contact info then pm's on beyond, I might know of said person's cousin.....

[GTS Jeff]

It's not Autotemp's fault, but it's still their problem when one of their employees ruins their good name with dishonesty and dishonour. Plus this guy Jordan is trying to use Autotemp's facilities, equipment, and property to conduct personal business.

So Tom, don't worry about dragging Autotemp into this; as Jlude said, it's not your doing, Jordan brought this drama to Autotemp, not you.

[stunta666]

Originally posted by SNAATCH
What kind of car does he drive? I work right beside that autotemp, like next door over.

He should be in a lifted black dodge ram.
There's a thread with pics of his truck on here somewhere.

[max_boost]

TomcoPDR is a good guy :thumbsup:
Black_Radiation, not so much :thumbsdow

Fewer people are honoring what they say anymore, it's unfortunate. Just be careful in your future dealings.

Not that I am the most stand up moral guy on the forum but I would never attempt to screw anyone like that because I wouldn't want that shit to happen to me.

[icecreamvan]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
It's not Autotemp's fault, but it's still their problem when one of their employees ruins their good name with dishonesty and dishonour. Plus this guy Jordan is trying to use Autotemp's facilities, equipment, and property to conduct personal business.

So Tom, don't worry about dragging Autotemp into this; as Jlude said, it's not your doing, Jordan brought this drama to Autotemp, not you.

Hai! GTS Jeff san! The only right thing for Jordan to do is commit sapuku!

[rmk]

Is this Jordan?

http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v169/234/95/501817961/n501817961_265103_8082.jpg

[TomcoPDR]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
It's not Autotemp's fault, but it's still their problem when one of their employees ruins their good name with dishonesty and dishonour. Plus this guy Jordan is trying to use Autotemp's facilities, equipment, and property to conduct personal business.

So Tom, don't worry about dragging Autotemp into this; as Jlude said, it's not your doing, Jordan brought this drama to Autotemp, not you.

Ok I'm going to get flame for this...

But I have to stick up for Jordan's defense, when he suggested: "How about we do a trade"... it NEVER came off as "I'm going to be using a Future Shop fell of a delivery truck product, or we're going to quietly sneak you into the install bay, etc..."

It was just: "how about we trade services and if you have any vehicles that needs alarm/remote starter I'll hook you up, even trade" I've worked at big dealerships before, it's like a licensed tech offering to do a side job on the weekend which some are allow to use the hoist, equipment, etc... at the dealership.

Kind of like what he told Morriganslayde trying to trade her audio install gettin' her to pop them titties out down in da dirty South...ern Alberta.
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/jordanscam-1.jpg

Didn't think stereo, tinting, detailing, PDR needed big equipment or space, so I thought nothing of him violating (if any) company policy of using the bays (cuz we could use garage, or friend's shop)

Just really want this to be a fair trial/judgement, Future Shop and Autotemp did NOTHING TO ME, Jordan never really offered anything solid from those stores to "give me" (just his time and either him buying the unit, or getting it from used car or somewhere)... oh and thanks to the Shawnessy FS installer who gave me some diodes (I really tried purchasing from radio shack, they didn't have 1.5ohm for the door trigger); bought my own resistors extra $0.99 I didn't have to spend.

[TomcoPDR]

Originally posted by rmk
Is this Jordan?


Yea, sorry I know he might be somebody's buddy... again, nothing personal... just what he DID.

[TACO.VIDAL]

freaky

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5408/n5018179612651038082pa0.jpg

[stunta666]

Beyond amazes me again. I can't believe there's a pic of him now.
Hopefully some photochop pros mess with that pic, but honestly speaking that fag is pretty damn wierd looking to begin with. And that's gotta be one of the biggest 5 heads i've ever seen.:eek:

[BlackFyre]

As someone who unfortunately worked at futureshop for a long period of time, I can tell you that you honestly would not want a starter installed by this hack. He's cocky and inexperienced. I received, and took calls from countless customers complaining about his work and lack of responsibility. This post does not surprise me one bit. Sorry to hear he screwed you over Tom.

[1slow7]

there's a reason why this ass-hat doesent work for FS anymore....

next time i see him i'll say "hi" for you though....

;)

[mark4091]

Shitty deal :thumbsdow


hopefully it works out though.

[Canmorite]

You mentioned you were going to post this up if he didn't follow through. I guess it was only a matter of time :rofl:

Great evidence and details...

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by icecreamvan


sapuku!

wut

[Kloubek]

http://members.shaw.ca/kloubek/business.jpg

[JRSC00LUDE]

^
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[icecreamvan]

Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat


wut

It's almost like bukake in "lamence" terms.



Originally posted by Kloubek
http://members.shaw.ca/kloubek/business.jpg


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Destinova403]

wow... i too put too much trust into the people around here.
i only met tom once (thanks for taking a look at my door-dents again)
and he seemed like a very upstanding guy.

i would probably suggest just going and getting your money... maybe take a buddy or two.

hopefully this will all work out :thumbsup:

[Redlyne_jr]

Originally posted by Kloubek
http://members.shaw.ca/kloubek/business.jpg


:rofl: :rofl:

[Jlude]

Originally posted by Kloubek
http://members.shaw.ca/kloubek/business.jpg

it doesn't take long! hahaha

[DGill]

hahahha

[TomcoPDR]

Originally posted by Kloubek
http://members.shaw.ca/kloubek/business.jpg

Ouch :cry:, how'd you get access to my private photos?

Hope everyone's keeping an open mind for Jordan's response though, kind of isn't fair without hearing his side.

[Kavy]

Tom he is not going to show up in this thread, if he does it will just to be a douche, and if i remember correctly that describes him perfectly.

[Ihatetowait]

Sorry to hear you got scammed, it's never fun losing a service on someones word.

However, I do find this to belittle car audio technicians in general. It's not always as easy as a grand am.


Further more, here are some of my install pics for fun, and to prove I wasn't about the money, purposely buying my own Compustar R.S. and installing it myself... how freakin' hard is it for someone to do this on a daily bases???

[snowboard]

that kid is fuglayyyy.

sweet. tom, clearly everyone thinbks yuor the man. and this thread just shows how nice you are lol.. i got some dents from a grage shelf falling on my car, PM me when you arent busy lol.

[GQBalla]

buddy needs to stop drinking so much ie the pizza face

[TomcoPDR]

Originally posted by TomcoPDR


Further more, here are some of my install pics for fun, and to prove I wasn't about the money, purposely buying my own Compustar R.S. and installing it myself... how freakin' hard is it for someone to do this on a daily bases??? :banghead: [/B]


Originally posted by Ihatetowait


However, I do find this to belittle car audio technicians in general. It's not always as easy as a grand am.



Actually, that's misinterpreting what I meant. Re-reading that after your comment, I realize your point of how it could be misread. But please don't forget, it's easy to twist each other's words around on the internet through word-text without getting a tone of voice...

But since someone's questioning that particular comment (of being insulted), let me have my chance to explain to clear the air:

- So Jordan contacted me for MY "professional" auto-field work
- I assessed a price (just like a mechanic would, bodyman, detailer)
- He wanted to give/trade me something from "his" professional field (of audio/stereo installation)...
- I RESPECTED the field of proper quality audio installation profession to be giving him a trade credit (remember it'll be cheaper for someone in the audio field to obtain a Head-Unit and then their "easy work time" to install it THAN $400 monetary value), had I disrepected the installation field, I would had said: "No, cash/cheque only; I can do this myself with my eyes closed"
- I took grade 10, grade 11 high school electronics, that was one of the hardest courses, I think I only got 65% - 71%... hence, that's why I was willing to let a someone claiming to be in competent in their field to work on my car.

In terms of the be littling installer claimed "comment", I'm pleading you misinterpret, it's supposed to be read as, by other members of the installation community to shun (disown) the guy. Where you guys (installers) are sitting at a coffee shop reading this (me): "Man, I can't believe I got pwned by a snake after I provide my services, he's a professional installer, he knew up front it was going to be an easy Grand Am (you guys know: anti-thief bypass, diode, resistor), but yet he still screwed me... I put in my efforts doing the damn thing myself proving it's not about the money... but man, for someone that does this everyday professionally, how freakin' hard is it to just finish this deal spending 1-2 hours of his time?"

And then the rest of the installers taking a sip of coffee going: "uhhh-huh uhhh-huh, amen to that sista, what a loser"
http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/18/52/0000041852_20070802150607.jpg

I would had said the same type of comment if a licensed tech didn't hold up his end (did the engine work myself, and out him), bodyman, detailer, tinter, nobody's spared.

If there's any "be littling" in the automotive field, that'd actually be US, the dent guys... "oh just stick something in behind and pop those little dents out for a couple bucks"...

PDR compared to PROPER stereo installation: We don't have years of standardized schooling, we don't have regional/national certification like an electronics degree/diploma (unless the chessy ones private corporations hand out; Wyotech yea), we don't have charts and calculation methods, there's nothing stopping anyone right now from claiming to be a professional PDR guy; you can get all your tools online, Ebay DVD courses.

After Beyond I realized it's not a fight against other companies/tech, that's why you can tell me I suck if you'd like; doesn't bother me as it used to... I'm just here to provide MY SERVICES for people who appreicates it.

Bottom line: Doesn't matter what field Jordan works in, I'm just upset someone (Jordan) didn't hold up his/her end of an agreement. :(

[gonein10]

I'm down with "refunding your services"! :D
if he is not posting in this thread, you must be telling the truth or he would defend himself.

[canuckcarguy]

I wish somebody who knew this guy would PM him and let him know he's being trashed on here. Would be nice to see his response...

[rmk]

Originally posted by canuckcarguy
I wish somebody who knew this guy would PM him and let him know he's being trashed on here. Would be nice to see his response...

He is the type of person who will not show his face.

[gonein10]

dont we have a picture of the guy though...?

[icecreamvan]

Are we going to Tim Manuelize him or not? You guys decide soon before the virgin wakes up. :rofl:

[TomcoPDR]

Case closed :closed: got nothing more to say.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/jordanscams5.jpg

I'm gonna try not commenting on this anymore, fuckin' dead horse... one last respond to THAT, I tried contacting you in October, 2007 (thanksgiving), November, 2007 (giving you time period), and February, 2008...

Since I provided you service FIRST, you didn't feel it was fair to contact ME whenever you were avaliable, regardless if I was outta town or not???

I don't need an alarm/remote start anymore dude, I guess that's my fault for installing it myself too early before you became available for me (AFTER I've already paid you with my services)

Lesson: Be a fucking asshole in life, or get fucked over. Feedback left, since it was my fault for installing my own shit before you had time for me.

[icecreamvan]

TomCo, you're the best! You probably wouldn't want that guy near your vehicle anyway.

[stunta666]

What a dumbass! Tom clearly states he doesn't want the starter because he had to go out and get one him self and this fag is still trying to schedule him in. I hope beyond can find more pics of this guy to photo shop. Hope fully some random strangers recognize his truck out in mclean creek and do a little customization to it. ;)
Hey Tom let us know if he's gonna pay you that money?

[Schwa]

The only resolution to this is to Paypal TomCo $400! Let us know if he pays you.

[The_1]

thats BS
obviously he doesnt want to pay you and he knows you installed a starter yourself
you must know someone that wants a free starter
dont let this guy get away with this

[01RedDX]

.

[icecreamvan]

Whoever takes the free starter should pay Tom the $400. That's only fair.

[eb0i]

What a piece of shit. He should just paypal the $400 to Tomco. I wonder how many "side deals" this jerkoff has made since he has worked at Autotemp.

[black_radiation]

To be honest this is the first I saw of this thread, Im not going to argue with tom I should have taken care of him faster, but unfortunately his work and my work are both very busy, when he was available, I wasnt as it was starter season, and I was running 13 hours a day anyways, and when I was available he was out of town doing work. I never denied tom the work I was going to do and I still plan on doing it, I sent him a message this morning before I even there had been a thread started about this saying sorry, and telling him to make an appointment with me because were in our slow season right now. I have dealt with MANY beyond members and never burned anyone, nor do I ever intend do, Once again, I apologize to tom that it took this long but I am willing to take care of him... I just dont feel that this thread was necessary when he could have contacted me and dealt with it a little more professionally, as I havent heard from him for months.

[LadyLuck]

Originally posted by black_radiation
To be honest this is the first I saw of this thread, Im not going to argue with tom I should have taken care of him faster, but unfortunately his work and my work are both very busy, when he was available, I wasnt as it was starter season, and I was running 13 hours a day anyways, and when I was available he was out of town doing work. I never denied tom the work I was going to do and I still plan on doing it, I sent him a message this morning before I even there had been a thread started about this saying sorry, and telling him to make an appointment with me because were in our slow season right now. I have dealt with MANY beyond members and never burned anyone, nor do I ever intend do, Once again, I apologize to tom that it took this long but I am willing to take care of him... I just dont feel that this thread was necessary when he could have contacted me and dealt with it a little more professionally, as I havent heard from him for months.

Dude, hes already got a car starter/alarm installed....whats your next step?

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by black_radiation
To be honest this is the first I saw of this thread, Im not going to argue with tom I should have taken care of him faster, but unfortunately his work and my work are both very busy, when he was available, I wasnt as it was starter season, and I was running 13 hours a day anyways, and when I was available he was out of town doing work. I never denied tom the work I was going to do and I still plan on doing it, I sent him a message this morning before I even there had been a thread started about this saying sorry, and telling him to make an appointment with me because were in our slow season right now. I have dealt with MANY beyond members and never burned anyone, nor do I ever intend do, Once again, I apologize to tom that it took this long but I am willing to take care of him... I just dont feel that this thread was necessary when he could have contacted me and dealt with it a little more professionally, as I havent heard from him for months. Bullshit. Tom took care of you right away, you've made him wait over half a year with PMs that say the same thing everytime, "ok man I'll do it next month don't worry" yeah right. Now you're just going to walk away from it all with a free repair job? Why don't you man up and pay Tom back what you owe him?

I can't stand it when people don't have respect for anyone else's time and hard work.

[Jlude]

Originally posted by black_radiation
I just dont feel that this thread was necessary when he could have contacted me and dealt with it a little more professionally, as I havent heard from him for months.

When you owe someone something (your end of the deal) he shouldn't have to hunt you down and hound you to make things happen. You should make it a priority to hold up your end of the deal when it's convenient for him.


I don't like you.

[black_radiation]

and for the record, I didnt realise he had a starter installed, I didnt read his message fully, obviously im a dumbass... but I still wish to seek a solution with tom, I feel bad that it has come to this, anyone who is in the car audio industry knows that from early october to march its ridiculously busy due to starters. I'm just trying to show that it wasn't a matter of wanting to fuck tom over, just that I was incredibly busy to do it and I tried to fit him in but at times he wasnt able to come in, it is a 2 way street, nothing can really take back what I did, once again I admit it was poor of me to let it take this long but Im not trying to leave him hanging... and to all of you jumping on the bandwagon im not even gonna bother with you... a few of you who are on here who worked with me know im not a hack and a shitty installer, I take alot of pride in my work and I have the portfolio to prove it... Bigbear you worked with me for all of about 3 weeks at FS as a saleman and you were barely in the bay so I really dont appreciate your jumping on the bandwagon. you yourself saw a few of my installs and I dont know why you would say that when you know my installs were well above par. If i was the snake that tom is obviously trying to make me out to be then why the hell would I try and deal with the situation... I dont really care how I look on this forum as no matter what, some day your name is gonna get pissed on by someone else... but I do truly feel bad about the situation and would like it resolved, Tom your welcome to contact me and we can work something out still.

[max_boost]

Excuses, excuses, excuses.......blah blah blah.......seriously, if it wasn't for the power of Beyond calling this guy out, he would have said fuck all.

If he wants any respect whatsoever, refund Tomco the money. End of story.

[rmk]

Originally posted by black_radiation
To be honest this is the first I saw of this thread, Im not going to argue with tom I should have taken care of him faster, but unfortunately his work and my work are both very busy, when he was available, I wasnt as it was starter season, and I was running 13 hours a day anyways, and when I was available he was out of town doing work. I never denied tom the work I was going to do and I still plan on doing it, I sent him a message this morning before I even there had been a thread started about this saying sorry, and telling him to make an appointment with me because were in our slow season right now. I have dealt with MANY beyond members and never burned anyone, nor do I ever intend do, Once again, I apologize to tom that it took this long but I am willing to take care of him... I just dont feel that this thread was necessary when he could have contacted me and dealt with it a little more professionally, as I havent heard from him for months.

What a load of shit.

[black_radiation]

Originally posted by Jlude


When you owe someone something (your end of the deal) he shouldn't have to hunt you down and hound you to make things happen. You should make it a priority to hold up your end of the deal when it's convenient for him.


I don't like you.

thats true, I did wrong by him but im obviously looking for a solution... anyone who was intentionally trying to burn him would hide from beyond, and never try and figure out a solution for him.. I want a solution for him.

[rmk]

Originally posted by black_radiation


thats true, I did wrong by him but im obviously looking for a solution... anyone who was intentionally trying to burn him would hide from beyond, and never try and figure out a solution for him.. I want a solution for him.

Call him, PM him right now and say "Tom, I fucked up. Let me know what your schedule is so I can give you your money." Shake his hand and learn from this.

[snowboard]

Originally posted by rmk


Call him, PM him right now and say "Tom, I fucked up. Let me know what your schedule is so I can give you a blow job" Shake his hand and learn from this.

hmmm