Porsche lie leads to $36,000 fine

[TACO.VIDAL]

Porsche lie leads to $36,000 fine

Man pleads guilty to price tag fib
By CHRIS KITCHING, SUN MEDIA


A Lockport man has been ordered to pay more than $36,000 in costs and fines after he pleaded guilty to lying to border guards in November 2006.

Vladimir Hutsulak, 43, lied to guards at the Emerson crossing about the value of a 2006 Porsche Carrera he was trying to import, said a spokesperson for Canada Border Services Agency.

He told guards he bought the luxury sports car in Texas for $40,950 US, but they checked the car and found a receipt for the actual sale price of $84,970.

The Carrera was seized, and Hutsulak had to pay a civil penalty of $30,600 to get it back, the spokesperson said.

Hutsulak pleaded guilty to a Customs Act charge of evasion of duties and taxes, and was fined $6,229 (the amount of duty and taxes he tried to avoid) on Monday.

[D'z Nutz]

Still cheaper than if he had it shipped UPS :rofl:

[C4S]

He thinks Canandian custom are that dumb?? ( well .. they may .. but not when related with tax and duty .. ) :dunno:

[max_boost]

Why couldn't it be a BMW owner :D

[stunta666]

What a dumbass for even trying to get away with that. I think even the dumbest border cop would think a porsche would be worth more than $41,000. Hopefully he learned his lesson.

[funkedelic]

haha i was always warned about lying to the border guards, if your going to lie at least make it believable and plan it out better lol

[schocker]

Originally posted by max_boost
Why couldn't it be a BMW owner :D
Because BMW owners would change the bill of sale to say they paid wayyyyy more for the car, ballin.

That is a pretty funny story. To lie about it and then forget the reciept in the vehicle, he thought it out well. I would assume though that this is probably fairly common and most people who do it just arnt that stupid.

[7thgenvic]

at least get the other guys to make a bill of sale saying 40K and why wouldn't he just do that! what a tard

[max_boost]

I can understand if the discrepancy in price was smaller for such an expensive vehicle. Probably could have got away with $10K but but $40K? :eek: :nut: :banghead: :rofl:

[01RedDX]

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[Bimmer88]

Hahahaha So BMW drivers aren't as stupid as you think.

[Shift_Perform]

borders taxies are gay...period again.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by D'z Nutz
Still cheaper than if he had it shipped UPS :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl:

[schocker]

Originally posted by Shift_Perform
borders taxies are gay...period again.
good to know, i was thinking of going to the US, so now i would drive instead of taking the taxi:dunno:

[Kaos]

Originally posted by max_boost
Why couldn't it be a BMW owner :D

Because BMW drivers are too smart for that.
It should've been a MB or Scooby owner hahaha :devil:

[zarge]

Originally posted by schocker

good to know, i was thinking of going to the US, so now i would drive instead of taking the taxi:dunno:

are you retarded? Can't even decode a simple spelling error lol

[schocker]

Originally posted by zarge


are you retarded? Can't even decode a simple spelling error lol
i had to after reading the paragraph with 3 periods.

but to bring this back on topic. if you have a bill of sale for a very suspicious amount, but it is legitimate and all signed, what can they do if they dont believe it?

[98type_r]

Originally posted by schocker

i had to after reading the paragraph with 3 periods.

but to bring this back on topic. if you have a bill of sale for a very suspicious amount, but it is legitimate and all signed, what can they do if they dont believe it?

I think in that case they charge you based the blue book value of the car. So even if you get a smoking deal you can't beat the taxman.

[mx73someday]

Originally posted by 01RedDX
haha greed and stupidity combine for a hilarious outcome

Stupidity for leaving the receipt in the car maybe, but I don't think tax evasion is greedy.

TACO.VIDAL, do you have a link to the original article?

[civickid_21]

Originally posted by 98type_r


I think in that case they charge you based the blue book value of the car. So even if you get a smoking deal you can't beat the taxman.

That was my experience back in the day. They told me they had to check the value of the car. Because if the selling price was lower than blue book, I had to pay taxes on the blue book value of the car. Kind of a money grab imo, but it's smart to do when you get people like this importing cars I guess.

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by 98type_r


I think in that case they charge you based the blue book value of the car. So even if you get a smoking deal you can't beat the taxman.

That's BS, what if someone justs want to get rid of the car? There's tons of cars selling way below BB value in the states right now.

[rage2]

Originally posted by 7thgenvic
at least get the other guys to make a bill of sale saying 40K and why wouldn't he just do that! what a tard
If you think a fake bill of sale will get you past customs with lower taxes, you're mistaken. They're really good at finding out the truth without your help lol.


Originally posted by schocker
but to bring this back on topic. if you have a bill of sale for a very suspicious amount, but it is legitimate and all signed, what can they do if they dont believe it?
Lock you in a room for 5 hours. Search everything on the internet for the sale ad (and ya they'll find it... good google skills), call the guy you bought it from in the US and threaten jail time if they're lying. All sorts of insane shit.

I dunno anyone that's able to sucessfully lie and save a large amount of taxes.

[01RedDX]

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[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by 01RedDX


Really? What would you call it then?

Criminal? Illegal? Dishonest maybe?

[01RedDX]

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[adam c]

we pay tax when we buy things, we pay tax on money we make, we pay tax on land we own and live on, we pay tax on tax..


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[canuckcarguy]

Originally posted by 98type_r


I think in that case they charge you based the blue book value of the car. So even if you get a smoking deal you can't beat the taxman.

I don't think that's the case. You're allowed to get a deal and pay the appropriate fees and taxes. But they will research it to death if they think you're being dishonest.

I brought up an RV a few years ago, they didn't like the price, and next thing they actually had the eBay listing showing the RV I just bought. I had declared the actual selling price, but they still wanted to see as much evidence as possible. Luckily, I had the eBay listing, the bill of sale, and a copy of my bank statement showing the transfer. They were totally polite, congratulated me on the purchase, and sent me on my way.

Nobody likes to pay taxes, but as soon as you're outright lying to government officials for your own gain, it goes from tax protest to fraud.

[max_boost]

Originally posted by rage2

Lock you in a room for 5 hours. Search everything on the internet for the sale ad (and ya they'll find it... good google skills), call the guy you bought it from in the US and threaten jail time if they're lying. All sorts of insane shit.

I dunno anyone that's able to sucessfully lie and save a large amount of taxes. Did this sequence of events happen to someone you know :D

Don't mess with the border guards!:eek:

[mx73someday]

Originally posted by 01RedDX


Really? What would you call it then?

I'm not really sure what to call it, but I know that wanting to keep money that the government is bullying you out of is definitely not being greedy. Maybe you should explain how it's greedy to not want to give a thief your money.

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by mx73someday
TACO.VIDAL, do you have a link to the original article?

http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Manitoba/2008/05/06/5486076.html

[mazdavirgin]

Originally posted by schocker

i had to after reading the paragraph with 3 periods.

but to bring this back on topic. if you have a bill of sale for a very suspicious amount, but it is legitimate and all signed, what can they do if they dont believe it?

They will make you pay the blue book value if it is too low in order to prevent people from having legit bills of sale for 1$. Then handing the seller another 30k or so under the table which is perfectly legal in terms of the law.

[Weapon_R]

Originally posted by mazdavirgin


They will make you pay the blue book value if it is too low in order to prevent people from having legit bills of sale for 1$. Then handing the seller another 30k or so under the table which is perfectly legal in terms of the law.

No, no they don't. Claiming $1 isn't going to fly, but getting spectacular deals is not going to raise any flags if you can prove that's what was paid, what was advertised, and what the seller accepted. If we all paid bluebook for cars in the U.S., it wouldn't be worth importing at all.

[ekguy]

didn't someone on here have huge issues at the border with an mr2 while telling the god honest truth as well??? I remember that thread I'm pretty sure. Something about leaving the car at some random person's house or something. I could be wrong though.