My bad experience with JDM Tuners

[onelyfe]

Hey guys I thought I'd just post a little about my horrible experience with JDM Tuners.

My girlfriend cracked the transmission in her 98 Civic Dx. She needed a quick repair so she could get it running and get to work, otherwise I would have done it and there never would of been any problems.

So I called JDM Tuners it was done within 3 days. (After having the price bumped from $500 to $1000 because they said that the JDM tranny would not fit and that I needed a USD.) Apparently the family tree of the car (EK tree) does not allow the JDM tranny to be installed.

A little over a week after having the tranny changed the R/H wheel bearing goes and the car becomes very rough to drive. So I call JDM Tuners and the guy will not even let me talk to the mechanic. I accused them of using an impact gun on the lug nuts therefore compromising the bearing. Buddie agrees that yes they did in fact use an impact but they did nothing wrong that would effect the bearing.


So I figured well the lug nuts have obviously been torqued on way to tight and this has compromised the wheel bearing.

When I took the R/H wheel off and sure enough the lug nuts were so tight that I had to use a breaker bar to get them off. What I found next was the worst part.

The axle nut was so loose that I could spin it off with my bear fingers. (The picture attached shows exactly what I saw when I removed the wheel. You can see how the nut is only threaded on 2 turns and all the scoring on the rotor from being so loose.) You could tell that there was no attempt made to tighten the nut. Even the pressed portion of the nut had not been pressed into the locking groove. There were no fresh tool marks so this leads me to believe that it was never tightened properly to begin with.

Clearly I was right that yes they had in fact somehow compromised the bearing one way or the other.

So I called back after it was all said and done and told the guy that I am going to need some sort of compromise. I told him that the bearing was $70 and it took me 3 hours to change it so all in all I needed a $100 refund and I wont tell anyone about my shitty experience with their shop.

Well the guy protested that they never did anything wrong and basically hung up on me and is screening his calls now.

Just thought I'd let everyone know that this place does some pretty shady work and for all the buyers out there to be aware.

[vengie]

sketchy

[Rocky]

:thumbsdow to disreputable business & not living up to your mistakes.

[CivicDXR]

thats garbage... so they used an impact on the lugnuts, but not on the axle nut??? :banghead:

oh, and if the tranny was from a D-series EK motor from japan, then it'll fit on a d series here... if they were trying to fit a B series tranny on a D-series motor, then they are smoking some good shiet... :thumbsdow :thumbsdow

[Deetz]

I'd report that to the better business bureau, they keep records of stuff like that. In time, it will catch up with them

[n1zm0]

Originally posted by onelyfe
I accused them of using an impact gun on the lug nuts therefore compromising the bearing. Buddie agrees that yes they did in fact use an impact but they did nothing wrong that would effect the bearing.


So I figured well the lug nuts have obviously been torqued on way to tight and this has compromised the wheel bearing.



well alot of dealerships and tire places put lugs back on with impact guns.. but i guess the key word would be impact gun w/ a 80ft/lb torque stick or torque wrench set at 80 ft/lbs

where is this JDM Direct, never even heard of it? in Calgary?

and not tightening an axle nut is like they might as well have just put one cv shaft in and thats it, i expect the over torquing of lug nuts be done by a customer more often than the mechanic any day.

[onelyfe]

Ya the SE just behind cash casino on blackfoot.


Left was ok looked like they had not even touched it.


Yes I hear you a lot of places use impact guns and usually I do to.

But how the hell do you miss the axle nut thats a pretty major component.

Atleast own up to your mistakes instead a get the big fu!

[DA_1.8T]

tightning lug nuts with an impact gun has nothing to do with the wheel bearing getting fuked up , and also the wheel bearing fuking up was not their fault it was probably just worn out , wheelbearings are one of those thing u really cant break or fuk up its just wear and tear on a vheicle , and u are lucky to get the tranny done even for taht price 1000 is nothing most places charge just for the tranny over 500

[DA_1.8T]

but lug nuts are usually tightened with the impact then torqued down , and dono what to say about your axle not but the rest of the stuff is not their fault

[Jlude]

Originally posted by DA_1.8T
1000 is nothing most places charge just for the tranny over 500

wtf? havin' few sunday night drinks?

[onelyfe]

Haha ya a few to many on a sunday night

doooode

I don't think it is a Coincidence that the axle nut was loose and the bearing went.

[onelyfe]

bah one more thing sorry guys

the shop is called

JDM TUNERS

[Mr_ET]

Did you try to remove the axle and see if the protective cover is still in place over the wheel bearing?

If you have a loose axle and that cover is gone, wheel bearings could go bad really really fast...

[7thgenvic]

aren't they a beyond sponsor?

[onelyfe]

Please describe the location further....

Are we talking from the axle to the back of the bearing...

If so there is no cover there.... is the cover mounted with the bearing into the steering knuckle???

I bought a new sterring knuckle from a fellow beyonder since I broke the original trying to press the bearing out. There was no dust cover with the 3nd hand knuckle....

[onelyfe]

I wouldnt be suprised if they were a sponsor.... many people do get work done there off beyond thats why I am suprised that they are being so ignorant.

[Mr_ET]

Yeah it's on the back of the knuckle where you see the bearing. It's basically a round metal ring that goes between the knuckle and the axle and it protects the bearing. It is actually pretty easy to pop off and remove and is usually only lightly tapped on.

[ralliart_girl]

Originally posted by n1zm0


well alot of dealerships and tire places put lugs back on with impact guns.. but i guess the key word would be impact gun w/ a 80ft/lb torque stick or torque wrench set at 80 ft/lbs

Well, this is true...a torque wrench is much better than just the torque stick....cause I have seen a many lug nuts still very loose after it was put on with an impact w/ a torque stick.

The best way to do it is, in my opinion, with a impact gun, than torqued with the torque wrench afterwards...

[1-Bar]

Originally posted by 7thgenvic
aren't they a beyond sponsor?

http://forums.beyond.ca/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=40511

maybe....

[onelyfe]

hmmm ok so just to correctly understand you it is a ring placed in the knuckle before the bearing is pressed in?

[Primer_Drift]

Over-torquing the lug nuts will not affect the bearing, it will however warp the rotor and possibly the hub. The bearing is loaded by the axle nut, without any load the bearing wears away at its bearing race causing total bearing failure.

[gonein10]

ya they are definitely a sponser. They are not bad people, I have been there for MANY parts and installs on my Skyline and they work wonders. I have never encountered a problem with them before. I'm not saying they were not bad to you, just saying that they aren't as bad as you make them sound. But everyone is entitled to their own decision :dunno:

[onelyfe]

agreed that ya the final outcome was that they didnt tighten the axle nut leading the bearing to pooch out

Ya for sure I agree that they do alot of good work there, my buddie recommended me to them.

But usually good shops admit their defeats

[SI_futbol]

yeah i've had some work done there. never had any problems

[dj_rice]

If you want to fuck them over, get a lawsuit started, you betta believe dat, this thread wont do much

[laurier]

Originally posted by dj_rice
If you want to fuck them over, get a lawsuit started, you betta believe dat, this thread wont do much

He is actually right about this. When it comes to mechanical work a technican should never let a car go without double checking everything. Before it leaves the shop, go over what you worked on. A test drive should have been done and with an axle nut that loose, there is no way in hell they wouldn't of noticed the vibration.

Unless they had written proof of all the torque specs done on the vehicle, you will win. This is a self note to any tech reading this, keep a little scrap book in your tool box. When ever your doing any sort of vehicle take note of the date, model, and the last name of the owner. Than write down what work was done and torque spec's used. It takes a couple of minutes but you never know when it will come back at you if a mistake was made. Just something worth doing to cover your ass. Mind you something like an alignment or tie rods i wouldn't be so worried. Just bigger jobs like ball joints, axles, and any intense engine work.

[cocoabrova]

Originally posted by laurier


He is actually right about this. When it comes to mechanical work a technican should never let a car go without double checking everything. Before it leaves the shop, go over what you worked on. A test drive should have been done and with an axle nut that loose, there is no way in hell they wouldn't of noticed the vibration.

Unless they had written proof of all the torque specs done on the vehicle, you will win. This is a self note to any tech reading this, keep a little scrap book in your tool box. When ever your doing any sort of vehicle take note of the date, model, and the last name of the owner. Than write down what work was done and torque spec's used. It takes a couple of minutes but you never know when it will come back at you if a mistake was made. Just something worth doing to cover your ass. Mind you something like an alignment or tie rods i wouldn't be so worried. Just bigger jobs like ball joints, axles, and any intense engine work.

Actually the first thing you should find out is if they even have a licensed mechanic working there-A vehicle repair shop, by law, is supposed to have at least 1 licensed mechanic on duty. Unless they source out ALL of their mechanical work, I can almost guarantee that there are alot of these "JDM" shops out there that don't have ANY licensed techs in their employ.....

[laurier]

^^^^

Well put. No shop should be doing mechanic work without having a licensed mechanic employeed. But that doesn't happen at alot at these jdm shops and most of these guys bring cars there because they are the "experts". I still run into problems but I am only a second year apprentice. Engine swaps is 1 thing, worst case scenerio the engine will blow but the customer can still cruise to a safe area hopefully. I am big on breaks and front end components. These are key mechanical parts and if they fail you can cause an accident. This is why only licensed shops should be doing this work.

Still JDMtuners should atleast be reported over this. Thats my point. From the OP i would go staight to a lawyer and get legal advice esspecially since they are ignoring you. Personally i wouldn't want anyone I know driving with an axle nut in the condition. Even people i dislike.

[cocoabrova]

Originally posted by laurier
^^^^

Well put. No shop should be doing mechanic work without having a licensed mechanic employeed. But that doesn't happen at alot at these jdm shops and most of these guys bring cars there because they are the "experts". I still run into problems but I am only a second year apprentice. Engine swaps is 1 thing, worst case scenerio the engine will blow but the customer can still cruise to a safe area hopefully. I am big on breaks and front end components. These are key mechanical parts and if they fail you can cause an accident. This is why only licensed shops should be doing this work.

Still JDMtuners should atleast be reported over this. Thats my point. From the OP i would go staight to a lawyer and get legal advice esspecially since they are ignoring you. Personally i wouldn't want anyone I know driving with an axle nut in the condition. Even people i dislike.
:werd: If a shop takes the responsibility of doing repair work on your car that entails R & R'ing parts that affect the driver's/owner's safety, they should at least have the sense to put everything back to spec, or in this case, man-up and at least offer to diagnose and advise on the wheel bearing problem, and come up with a solution that keeps everyone happy, and more importantly (from a businessman's point of view) try and deter any negative feedback/negative publicity that would be drawn to the shop in question i.e. this thread and the number of ppl that browse this forum......

[onelyfe]

Originally posted by laurier
^^^^
Still JDMtuners should atleast be reported over this. Thats my point. From the OP i would go staight to a lawyer and get legal advice esspecially since they are ignoring you. Personally i wouldn't want anyone I know driving with an axle nut in the condition. Even people i dislike.


:werd:

[ef7]

my experience has been good, they work hard and if there is something wrong the will let you know right away..

[onelyfe]

as far as you know ^^^^

[420Ninja]

You can use a impact gun on a lug nut as long as you put a torque stick on your gun, I just bought one today actually, I can hammer away with my snapon 1/2 inch gun and it torques them all down to 100ft/lbs give or take a few.

And I have no idea what these guys are like but I know for a fact every time a customer tried to bitch or accuse us of shit or any disrespectful stuff at all they got the exact same right back, horrible service and usually told that their car would be waiting outside and they need to tow it off the lot within 48 hours. I actually was installing a clutch on a bel air once and the guy wandered in and started bitching and moaning, saying it had been there for 2 weeks, (4 business days actually, and a weekend) and insulting us, "Cant you grease monkeys install a clutch?". And the normal manager was in vegas at the time so the rebuilder was dealing with him, and hes not a pleasant guy. So I ended up being instructed that i was to halt the install, put the rest of the parts in the back, tie everything up with wire and push it out the door onto the street. Needless to say he absolutely flipped but he had it coming.

And just so people dont think were assholes Ive seen people come in with similar concerns and if they brought it up and discussed it with us in a civil manner we treated them great. One guy even got a new cowl induction hood, instead of a stock replacement, and got it painted for free because there was a fresh ding in the top, now nobody confessed to doing it but there was enough doubt there that we couldnt be positive it wasnt us.

[Mista.2]

i have friends that have bought cars from them and there fine, and friends that have gotten work done from them and their cars are still running. this just seems weird that this would happen...

[dj_rice]

LAWSUIT LAWSUIT LAWSUIT!!!!!! DO IT!!!!!!!!!!

[ef7]

Originally posted by onelyfe
as far as you know ^^^^

No i know so, i took the car home went over the install and everything was perfect. They even went as far as labeling the wiring for the swap. Nothing was butched or hacked at all. Not like some of my friends swaps that have came out of other lacal tuner shops that i would not like to mention. I would have done the swap my self but i was to busy to do it. I think contributing to a local shop and having them do some work is good. Im not here defending JDM but i have seen there service and the work they produce. They are a great company and i would and have recommended them to my friends and to anyone else that needs work done or needs parts for there car. I am very pleased with the shop and with there rates. The whole crew there was very nice and friendly. Taking my CRX to them was the best decision I could have made. Also it probably would have been the best tuner shop in the city to get the work that I did done there. Also it wasnt just my swap that they did.

[DA_1.8T]

u shoudl find out if they have alicensed mechanic if not they can get fuked up for that from the gov , in my opinion i dont think they do have a licensed mechanic

[Team_Mclaren]

Originally posted by 420Ninja
You can use a impact gun on a lug nut as long as you put a torque stick on your gun, I just bought one today actually, I can hammer away with my snapon 1/2 inch gun and it torques them all down to 100ft/lbs give or take a few.

And I have no idea what these guys are like but I know for a fact every time a customer tried to bitch or accuse us of shit or any disrespectful stuff at all they got the exact same right back, horrible service and usually told that their car would be waiting outside and they need to tow it off the lot within 48 hours. I actually was installing a clutch on a bel air once and the guy wandered in and started bitching and moaning, saying it had been there for 2 weeks, (4 business days actually, and a weekend) and insulting us, "Cant you grease monkeys install a clutch?". And the normal manager was in vegas at the time so the rebuilder was dealing with him, and hes not a pleasant guy. So I ended up being instructed that i was to halt the install, put the rest of the parts in the back, tie everything up with wire and push it out the door onto the street. Needless to say he absolutely flipped but he had it coming.

And just so people dont think were assholes Ive seen people come in with similar concerns and if they brought it up and discussed it with us in a civil manner we treated them great. One guy even got a new cowl induction hood, instead of a stock replacement, and got it painted for free because there was a fresh ding in the top, now nobody confessed to doing it but there was enough doubt there that we couldnt be positive it wasnt us.

Where do you work?

[jdmtuners]

Hi,
First of all we don’t want anything to happen to our customers as a result of our work and im pretty sure no one would want that and when we do a job, we double check everything and go for a test drive to make sure that the work is done
so after we replaced the tranny, he calls back after 2WEEKS saying the lug nuts were too tight and next day he calls again saying that the lug nuts were fine but the axle nut were too tight, we explained to him that if it was too tight then the axles wouldn't turn properly (we even went for test drive after getting the tranny done to make sure everything was fine)
now he ends up posting a tread saying the axle nut was loose(which has nothing to do with anything) after two weeks he realizes that his axles nut was loose

thanks
jdmtunersinc

[n1zm0]

Originally posted by g_wagon
but about a mounth later i noticed the tranmission was rough and the cluch was slipping, and oil was leaking from the tranmission i took it to a tranmission shop and the tranmission fluid was over filled by more then double and the cluch was worn out.

maybe the excessive amount of tranny fluid caused the clutch to wear out faster? in the sense that the gears will not spin as freely and have more load to deal with?

all in all, over filling MTL on a honda tranny is pretty mickey mouse, unless you don't know wtf your doing.



Originally posted by jdmtuners

now he ends up posting a tread saying the axle nut was loose(which has nothing to do with anything) after two weeks he realizes that his axles nut was loose

thanks
jdmtunersinc

it doesn't matter if he came to you after 2 weeks...

people bring their cars to you to get fixed in a trustworthy agreement that you are fixing cars because they don't know how and you do,

they assume you do good safe work because you are a licensed technician and double check/triple check important points and hopefully they won't have to worry about anything when they are driving on deerfoot or what not

do you think that your customers should have to review your work every week to make sure things are properly bolted and tightened?

from all the axle nuts i've seen done on Honda/Acuras at work, i know it must be tightened with an impact gun and a torque wrench at around 130sh ft-lbs, he says that the locking indent wasn't even punched back in.

please explain how a loose axle nut has nothing to do with anything? :nut: unless you're saying that it wasn't your fault.

[onelyfe]

Originally posted by jdmtuners

the axle nut were too tight, we explained to him that if it was too tight then the axles wouldn't turn properly (we even went for test drive after getting the tranny done to make sure everything was fine)
now he ends up posting a tread saying the axle nut was loose(which has nothing to do with anything) after two weeks he realizes that his axles nut was loose

If you listened correctly instead of hanging up it was stated that when I removed the wheel off the car and removed the caliper and rotor the nut on the axle was only figer tight **at no point and time did i ever say that the axle nut was too tight**



Originally posted by n1zm0

people bring their cars to you to get fixed in a trustworthy agreement that you are fixing cars because they don't know how and you do,



Shitty thing is that I could have done it myself but it would of taken a week (inbetween working 5 days a week) thats why I turned to this "reputable" shop and got screwed

[HondaRice]

wow 1000 dollars to replace a civic transmission in 2008 ? so an oil change there would be 250 for the same car?

[Primer_Drift]

Originally posted by HondaRice
wow 1000 dollars to replace a civic transmission in 2008 ? so an oil change there would be 250 for the same car?

It was a 98 dx if you had bothered to read..

Now I am not defending JDM tuners.. but are you a mechanic? Do you have an All-data or Mitchell book sitting in front of you? Unless you have some serious credentials behind you, please kindly STFU.

But just for fun, maybe you should ask a dealership what they charge to change a transmission. It would be a real eye opener for people who think these things should be done for free...

[DA_1.8T]

yeah like i stated before to tranny instaled and supplied for 1000 is cheap now a days, but i guess me and Prime drift are the only guys that have some sence and experience about how things work and how much things cost with cars

[jbabante]

they've done couple of jobs with my old civic and never had any problem. My bro's teg is at their shop for an engine swap as we speak. Sucks dude that u had this bad experience. I always believe in what you pay is what you get. Next time go to a dealership and pay the real deal and you won't have to rant no more.

[gonein10]

I dont know who you people are that are complaining about 1000 dollars for a transmission INSTALLED! That is a hell of a deal! Phone your honda dealership and ask them what a transmission costs. You can't do it a lot cheaper than that if you do it yourself...unless you got a lift. Jdm tuners is a great shop and they do things very cheap. I'm not saying they did make a mistake, but even if they did, people make mistakes sometimes. And honestly I wouldn't care if you were my best friend, Jdm tuners has a very good reputation and i would trust them with any of my cars anyday.

[TheCheff]

Originally posted by jdmtuners
Hi,
First of all we don’t want anything to happen to our customers as a result of our work and im pretty sure no one would want that and when we do a job, we double check everything and go for a test drive to make sure that the work is done
so after we replaced the tranny, he calls back after 2WEEKS saying the lug nuts were too tight and next day he calls again saying that the lug nuts were fine but the axle nut were too tight, we explained to him that if it was too tight then the axles wouldn't turn properly (we even went for test drive after getting the tranny done to make sure everything was fine)
now he ends up posting a tread saying the axle nut was loose(which has nothing to do with anything) after two weeks he realizes that his axles nut was loose

thanks
jdmtunersinc

Engineers design torque specs on equipment for a reason, mistaking your 1 2 3 4 setting as "varible torque" is retarded a impact gun will keep spining, and yes the torque bars do work but how often are those sitting beside your gun.

Lug nuts on a civic are 90ft/lbs. An impact gun without the proper torque stick can produce much more ft/lbs of torque then that. Now assuming you removed the right drive shaft when swapping the tranny.................... During instal I'm sure the axle nut was gun'd on and the nut wasn't stamped. It would take anywhere from 7-10 days depending on road conditions and weather for that axle nut to start coming loose. Moving forward should technically be tightening the axle nut but ONCE the axle nut is loose the friction would instantly start to damage the inner race of the bearing.

The axle nut being loose would cause the secondary problem of warping the rotor. I think everyone saw the picture of the rotor(scoring on the rotor).

Obviously the work wasn't all there in the end and your company should reimburse the money spent repairing what should have been right the first time. A $1000 tranny swap is a fairly decent deal. Forgetting to stamp the axle nut is a bitch, I think you should pay the customer for his parts cost (a bearing is what $60) 1-2 hrs labor depending on how long it took.

Mistakes happen but when something is wrong with the vehicle 10 days after you have completed a tranny swap and the person is calling you back describing a spinning component making loud noises, which could be directly related to the tranny swap. Shouldnt you at least take a look at the vehicle again? Make sure you dont end up in a lawsuit? Your always gonna get people calling back all stressed, learn how to defuse the situation and figure out the real story its your job........

I am not sure if this business has a licenced mechanic working at all times but this makes me wonder.

--BTW I am the mechanic that fixed this shops blatant mistake.

[autosm]

Originally posted by HondaRice
wow 1000 dollars to replace a civic transmission in 2008 ? so an oil change there would be 250 for the same car?


Well not defending them but good luck getting a lic mechanic these days for less than $40 per hour. Add all the costs and that $120 per hour cost the shop well over $75 per hour just to do the work.

1000 dollars for a trans installed is a good price.

[7thgenvic]

i need to contact JDM tuners. I actually need some parts :)

there are always the 3 sides to the story, and maybe he didn't torque it to the right specs or maybe the bearing was already in need of replacement. whatever it was, there needs to be some sort of rational conclusion to this problem

[cyrusli]

:werd: ^

[ef7]

Originally posted by TheCheff



Lug nuts on a civic are 90ft/lbs.

--BTW I am the mechanic that fixed this shops blatant mistake.





Sorry bud the torque for honda wheels are 80! Are you sure your not the one that over torqued it and messed up this car? I thought you were a mechanic and you dont know what all honda torque is?

Also how do you know that it wasent the time for the wheel bearing to go?

[KeepItGully]

Originally posted by ef7


Sorry bud the torque for honda wheels are 80! Are you sure your not the one that over torqued it and messed up this car? I thought you were a mechanic and you dont know what all honda torque is?

SORRY BUD!
Before you go making false accusitions, Please get it straight...

80lbs - the wheels will fall off.
90lbs - the brakes will warp.

The correct torque on a Civic is in the range of 88.5 - 88.75lbs

[KeepItGully]

Originally posted by DA_1.8T
yeah like i stated before to tranny instaled and supplied for 1000 is cheap now a days, but i guess me and Prime drift are the only guys that have some sence and experience about how things work and how much things cost with cars

Ego > You .

:banghead:

[ef7]

Originally posted by KeepItGully

SORRY BUD!
Before you go making false accusitions, Please get it straight...

80lbs - the wheels will fall off.
90lbs - the brakes will warp.

The correct torque on a Civic is in the range of 88.5 - 88.75lbs


Please tell me why a honda wheel will fall off at 80lbs unless your torque wrench is wrong "BUD"?

Also why would a typeR be rated at 80 and you say a civic needs 88? ALL HONDA WHEELS TORQUE ARE 80!


http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=426018

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=413421

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=270841

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=205464

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=73293

[teknical]

Originally posted by ef7
Sorry bud the torque for honda wheels are 80! Are you sure your not the one that over torqued it and messed up this car? I thought you were a mechanic and you dont know what all honda torque is?

Also how do you know that it wasent the time for the wheel bearing to go?

[Jason Lange]

Tightening the axle nuts to 150ft/lbs still wouldn't warp shit. You guys are nuts to think it would. Especially if they were all torqued to the same ft/lbs all around. BTW it is like a $150 fix either the shop or the customer should get over it.

[red99600]

i think for all those people that think these minute torque spec differences will cause catastrophic failure should read up and study material properties.

there are always tolerance levels even if things aren't exact. everyone might as well get out their snap-on torque wrench with digi display and set it to 87.58475 ft/lbs for torquing some lugs on a civic

let the bashing begin from the know it alls

[redblack]

in the 10 years i have owned and maintained my vehicles, whenever i do brakes/rotors or tire changes i have never used a torque wrench to tighten the lug nuts. Nothing ever failed :dunno:

[bashir26]

Delt with JDM tuners on several occasions. They always treated me with respect, did the job well and gave me a good deal. Its a company that I will always go back too. The positives outweigh the negatives.

I'm sorry you had a negative experience.

[Scope951]

Originally posted by bashir26
Delt with JDM tuners on several occasions. They always treated me with respect, did the job well and gave me a good deal. Its a company that I will always go back too. The positives outweigh the negatives.

I'm sorry you had a negative experience.

I have to completely agree, but as said before, is it a possibility the one mech that fixed it actually caused teh trouble?

[gofastmerc]

I would hate to be mechanic just for stories like this.


Look at it from his point of view, a guy calls back two weeks after and says his lug nuts are too tight and caused his bearing to be screwed. If you're a tech, you know that he might as well said my lug nuts are too tight and now the tire is flat. They are related to each other about the same.

So a few days later, after realizing that story doesn't hold water, customer comes up with a new story, of course the shop is going to tell him to pound sand.

Was the axle bearing loose? Maybe. Maybe it was tight and wasn't staked. Maybe. Was the bearing trashed on a 10 year old car? Maybe. Once the customer start taking it apart, it's now the customer's problem.

Sucks for both parties. OP is out a bearing. JDM is getting some bad ink.

[dimi]

Originally posted by KeepItGully

SORRY BUD!
Before you go making false accusitions, Please get it straight...

80lbs - the wheels will fall off.
90lbs - the brakes will warp.

The correct torque on a Civic is in the range of 88.5 - 88.75lbs

:rofl:

[CivicDXR]

Originally posted by KeepItGully

SORRY BUD!
Before you go making false accusitions, Please get it straight...

80lbs - the wheels will fall off.
90lbs - the brakes will warp.

The correct torque on a Civic is in the range of 88.5 - 88.75lbs

wow...

all honda vehicles with 19mm lugnuts require tightening 80ft/lbs of torque with the exception of the Ridgeline and newer model Odyssey which are 22mm lugnuts and are tightened to 94ft/lbs.

both specifications were taken from Honda shop manuals... care to explain where your numbers where from?

[2EFNFAST]

Originally posted by KeepItGully

SORRY BUD!
Before you go making false accusitions, Please get it straight...

80lbs - the wheels will fall off.
90lbs - the brakes will warp.

The correct torque on a Civic is in the range of 88.5 - 88.75lbs

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[onelyfe]

:hijack:

[forced_eg]

if you axle nut is finger tight, its the same as being torqued, whine and bitch when the nut falls off, it doesnt matter... as far as it being too tight and not turning properly??? thats the most stupidest thing ive heard....

if you did your wheel bearing yourself (in 3 hours nonethe less), you could have done your tranny yourself, somethings wierd about that, all that aside.... you did the work yourself and have no proof that jdm tuners f/ed up your car so your screwed period.... jdm tuners can be nice and offer to help you out.. but i wouldnt if i were them, some asshole claims their wheel bearing went bad and they changed it themselves and want $100, id tell them to fuck off too,

btw: any idiot can work on your civic, you dont need a "jdm" specialist... take it to canadian tire next time

[onelyfe]

can you read properly?

who said that the axle nut was to tight and it wouldnt turn? haha

[onelyfe]

At least Canadian Tire has licensed mechanics and doesnt have monkeys twisting wrenches

[5fivespeed]

Originally posted by onelyfe
At least Canadian Tire has licensed mechanics and doesnt have monkeys twisting wrenches

Sure. We went to Canadian Tire for tires, and the guy behind the counted knew NOTHING about tires.

We left, and spent the $1200 on Tires and Rims at Speedtech. +1 Speedtech.

[SR240SX]

Lol take a look at this thread....

I dont see how anyone can trust these guy with they're cars...I know I wouldnt.

http://forums.beyond.ca/st/180935/fs-1989-nissan-skyline-gt-r/

[5fivespeed]

I would, that thread about the Skyline - if JDM Tuners has more than one Skyline (which is obvious from the population driving around Calgary) then it could be true. If not, BFD. Clearly, these "Races" happen at night so how much of the car can you seen anyways. Who cares though, that's a different story.

For the OP, has the problem been fixed - yes. Your own mechanic is getting pwned here.

This thread should be done.

[Nathyne]

JDM Tuners seems fine to me, im purchasing a 94 GTR from them and they are even taking it to the mechanic of my choice for a mechanical inspection which is a lot more than any other place i looked at is willing do.

If you think JDM Tuners sounds shifty go take a look at "Quality Cars Calgary" lol acouple brown people toking up in a trailer on a parking lot withe a bunch of thrashed cars is all it is.

[vipstyle2]

^^^
From people I know who are related to "owners" or w.e I would never take my car there not even my focus.

and arent they afghan ? same shit.

[chris746]

http://forums.gtrcanada.com/showthread.php?t=43964&page=3

Another great story about quality cars Calgary

[Dooms_Bane]

anyhow i don't know if this was said
but tightening the lugs too much will warp up your crap... that was said
but the wheel bearing... not tightening your axle nut will mess your wheel bearing... for sure

wheel bearing gets pressed into knuckle
axle goes into wheel bearing and axle nut holds well the axle and holds the hub on..
if the axle nut is not tighten properly it will cause the wheel to shake at higher speeds. a pretty nasty shake.. probably end up with your wheel falling off... axle pops out something along the lines of your whole hub knuckle pops off the axle and well shit hits the fan... if not that
then the vibration itself IN MY OPINION (not to sure if i am correct) but the wheel bearing is made up of 2 sections. and when you do take it apart it gets split in 2. if the wheel does shake enough it might split itself open causing the seal to be compromised water/dirt/other crap might get in messing with the lube/oil and you got yourself a messed up wheel bearing.
if not maybe the pressure pushes the bearings around and damages the race inside the wheel bearing? since the wheel is shaking? o.0
my 2 cents :)
*my spelling/grammer sucks please don't eat me for it ^.^*

[dancha]

Hi I had a similar problem with JDM Tuners in Calgary. I had wished the do an engine swap for my 1996 dodge avenger which is FWD So i had contacted the company and asked them if they had a 4g63 turbo engine package in stock. They had and after I had requested FWD several times they had stated they had it. So after paying 2000$ for this package and receiving it. I took it out to my mechanics to have it installed. I received a phone call 2 days later and my mechanic tells me I had received an AWD transmission. I called JDM Tuners back and they told me that I requested an AWD transmission after I stated what kind of car I had and which is more believable. The company or the kid with the FWD car. After I had argued with them they had said "Well sir you cant prove anything." I had lost my temper at this point and started making the threat of contacting the better bureau board. After I had made this statement I told them I will not do this if I can only return the transmission and get a refund for it. They refused the request and I stated I would return everything than since it was the wrong parts I needed. They refused to take it back and said they will give me a small settlement and to just keep everything. Me not being pleased with this continue to argued and now am P***ed right off at his and am telling ppl not to deal with JDM Tuners. They can barely even speak english. Sound all middle eastern with very very heavy accents making them hard to understand (not being racist) but there had been a miss communication and they refuse to take responsibility for this and now I am the one suffering and having to sell parts that I dont need.:english: