Misterrick's Budget B16 Turbo Project

[misterrick]

Well,



its been a few months since my eg6 was stolen AND recovered, and after planning to turbo, then deciding against it, i decided to follow through if i plan to make any usable power out of this engine. so begins my budget turbo build.


Problem 1
Sitting on my floor is a t25 turbo. Also sitting on my floor is a t3/t4 stainless manifold. After a bit of googleing, i discovered that if i didnt want a cheap ebay adapter, i would either have to spend the $180 or so, OR i could just make one.


Solution 1
Starting with a piece of one inch thick 1080 steel, i marked my hole for the t25 inlet. after drilling out as much as i could with a mag drill (thank god for having tools at work) i started to work at the center with a die grinder. after an hour of work or so i had my adapter plate. not the prettiest, but noone can see inside the turbo anyway.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/adapter.jpg


then comes a little drilling and tapping and voila! the 2 pieces fit together.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/turbowithadapter.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/turbowithadapter2.jpg


Problem 2
Air conditioning taking up way too much space

Solution 2
Rip The Sh*t Out

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/a1.jpg

i lost my hand taking out the a/c pump! lol jk
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/a4.jpg


now thats better already
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/a2.jpg


Problem 3 (this seems to be a negative pattern)
i didnt follow all my lines and ended up cutting out the "power steering fluid cooler"

not quite sure why there was power steering fluid cooler in front of the a/c condenser, but luckily, i needed it out of the way anyway, so i just connected the 2 ends together with a piece of stainless braided hose
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/a6.jpg


now i can get rid of this ugly mess
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/a9.jpg



thats about all i've accomplished so far. my bank account is empty so it'll be another week until my project can continue. then its only a matter of waiting for a few parts.


any tips/comments/constructive criticism is more than welcome.

[euro_racer]

are you planning on doing anything to the engine (arp studs, etc..)?

looks like a nice and simple build :thumbsup:

[misterrick]

no, i plan to just leave this engine stock and build a second motor for high boost that i can just drop in. i just wanted to have fun while im building it lol


the t25 is only a 7psi spring so it wont be too much for the b16 to handle stock. my goal for this engine is only about maybe 200whp. after seeing some pretty ghetto turbo setups at race city, it gives me confidence that i can at least do a pretty good job :P



as for simple, i think it should be all really straightforward. i got all the info that i didnt already know from honda-tech, and they rated it a 7-9 on the difficulty scale. 10 being building a motor. maybe im just becoming a better mechanic, but it really doesnt seem even close to being as hard as building a motor lmao

[cressida_pimpin]

Good luck with the build. What are you doing for tuning?

[dj_rice]

I hope the thieves who jacked ur ride arent reading this thread...

[misterrick]

ugh. dont remind me. i have however taken security precautions since then. so im a little less worried. im pretty sure it was just someone in the neighborhood.


and of course my plan to move out of forest lawn cant hurt lol




Originally posted by dj_rice
I hope the thieves who jacked ur ride arent reading this thread...

[misterrick]

for tuning, lawrence at calgary auto works is going to chip my ecu for me. i believe he uses crome to do it.





Originally posted by cressida_pimpin
Good luck with the build. What are you doing for tuning?

[Sorath]

lol budget and custom dont go together.

looks good though so far

[ibcnya]

Originally posted by dj_rice
I hope the thieves who jacked ur ride arent reading this thread...

especially if you dont have a garage to park it in..

[misterrick]

Originally posted by Sorath
lol budget and custom dont go together.

looks good though so far



lol yeah i realize that. the only thing thats budget is the fact that i already had a bunch of the parts, and that im not paying a mechanic to do anything but the exhaust.

[misterrick]

Originally posted by ibcnya


especially if you dont have a garage to park it in..



why dont you advertise my car a little more? just because i wont trade you cars doesnt mean you should help get mine stolen.......

[ibcnya]

who said anything about trading cars on here, i aksed you on friday not on beyond...

Dont leave your car in your area, then it wont be up for grabs is all im saying. especially if you live in the ghetto

you dont even have a alarm "im assuming from your previous thread" in this city full of car thefts, and your worried about putting a turbo on..

[misterrick]

i bought an alarm the day i got my car back FYI

[Graham_A_M]

So thats whose EG was parked outside. :thumbsup:
Nice Rick, Good on ya. Cant wait to take a ride in this when its done.
:clap:

[misterrick]

lol i figured it was a pretty obvious beyond members vehicle.

i'll take you for a ride after jam when i finish it up. one of my investments finally paid off so i have a bit of cash to continue the project.


however, i may abandon this thread as im getting pretty negative response already.

[Graham_A_M]

^ That surprises you on beyond? thats why I haven't posted any of my builds.

[misterrick]

lol yeah i should have known better.

[dj_rice]

My response wasnt trying to be negative, just trying to inform you but dont abandon your project...we need more turbo Hondas in Calgary :rolleyes:





And enough with my sarcasm, keep up the good work seriously....I wish I was still into the Sport Compact scene :cry:

[misterrick]

thought i would bring this back from the dead instead of starting a new thread......


a nice update since i last posted on this one, my setup is now:
KKR 280T (8psi)
525cc injectors
AEM fpr
custom Water/Meth kit
custom fuel setup (dual fuel pump+surge tank)
msd Sport Compact Ignition box
msd blaster ss external coil


thats all i can think of right now... there are some other more ricer things like short throw shifter and hid's but this is more of "go" thread than a "show" thread....

now on to the pics!!!!

This is before i started today. white is not a good choice of color for a valve cover....it actually looks way better in the pics than in person

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/P1010305.jpg

heres after polishing a GSR valve cover and msd cap/coil install
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/P1010307.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/P1010308.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/P1010309.jpg

heres after a bit of scotch brite on the intake mani and a bit more simple green under the hood :thumbsup:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/P1010310.jpg


and the needless comparison pic
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/P1010311.jpg:barf:

[Sparx]

Wow engine looks great i also have an sir thats now turbo'd. I wanted to be the first turbo jdm civic in calgary but you beat me to it :cry: Would you be interested in meeting sometime soon just to gab and check out eachothers setups?

[misterrick]

Originally posted by Sparx
Wow engine looks great i also have an sir thats now turbo'd. I wanted to be the first turbo jdm civic in calgary but you beat me to it :cry: Would you be interested in meeting sometime soon just to gab and check out eachothers setups?


lol yeah sure. im unemployed so pick a time basically! lol mines been boosted for over 6 months or so now, so im pretty sure i have you beat :poosie:

oh, and i could talk about my setup for days if someone wanted to listen lmao

[Sparx]

You asshole how dare you shatter my dreams of being the first lol. Well mine is goign for dyno time this week so anytime after that i can pm you and set up a meet? Maybe ill get some other egs out

[misterrick]

Originally posted by Sparx
You asshole how dare you shatter my dreams of being the first lol. Well mine is goign for dyno time this week so anytime after that i can pm you and set up a meet? Maybe ill get some other egs out


sounds like a plan. i'll see if i can get mine on the dyno with the new turbo before then :poosie:

did you do your turbo yourself?

[Sparx]

You betcha my friend im all about the built not bought. I got my princess when she was dead stock not even an intake or wheels. I dont think ive done too bad with her considering ive only had her since october and im a starving mount royal student :D

[misterrick]

Originally posted by Sparx
You betcha my friend im all about the built not bought. I got my princess when she was dead stock not even an intake or wheels. I dont think ive done too bad with her considering ive only had her since october and im a starving mount royal student :D


lol yeah i know how starving for a car goes....

[misterrick]

slight update. in the next few weeks i plan to tackle:

New Piston Rings
New headgasket
GSR cams
valve clearances perfected
new (not shitty stainless) turbo manifold
possibly timing belt depending on the condition of mine.

and hopefully a couple other goodies, which i'll update as i go. i plan on taking pics of everything from the second i pop the hood, to the minute i start it up finished. so needless to say, beyond gets the full monty.....

[95EG6P]

Do you still have the A/C left or in working condition that I could take off you?

Nice build, looking good, see you at the Honda Cruz

[misterrick]

When I took my a/c out I stupidly left the compressor outside in the rain for a long time :( so, no lol

[Sparx]

Perry i still have all my a/c shit ill give that to you for like $20 bucks if you want it

[misterrick]

picked this up off another member (freakin) came with some new parts and an AEBS intake manifold. as well as being hot taked before it was rebuilt recently.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/EG6/photo2.jpg


needless to say this nice clean head will be going on my motor with the gsr cams. so now im just in the process of getting together a few more parts.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/EG6/photo3.jpg

manifold is ordered, picked up a new turbo gasket, now i just need more funds!! i think im probably tapped out for this payday....


however! i still want the ultimate ricer mod before i assemble everything....... an aluminum cam seal! lol

[Sparx]

What manifold did you go with misterrick? i ordered another one from a company called straight line specialties didnt come close to fitting my car, so im caught between peak boost, full race or neukin. I dont want to go with full race though because then ill have to get another wastegate since none of theirs support 38mm wastegates

[misterrick]

Originally posted by Sparx
What manifold did you go with misterrick? i ordered another one from a company called straight line specialties didnt come close to fitting my car, so im caught between peak boost, full race or neukin. I dont want to go with full race though because then ill have to get another wastegate since none of theirs support 38mm wastegates


nothing special. just a kinetic motorsports one that has the proper flange that i need. ive been using a t3/t25 adapter that i made kinetic (http://www.kineticmotorsport.com/products/KINETIC_MOTORSPORT_HONDA_ACURA_B_SERIES_TURBO_MANIFOLD-24-133.html)

[Sparx]

Got ya, i was thinking hard about getting just a log manifold after my obx one basicly grenaded, never will anything obx touch my car again. And i figured since i have to redo my downpipe return and charge piping may as well make it worth it and get a nice manifold, actually need to pull my car out of the marketplace

[misterrick]

Originally posted by Sparx
Got ya, i was thinking hard about getting just a log manifold after my obx one basicly grenaded, never will anything obx touch my car again. And i figured since i have to redo my downpipe return and charge piping may as well make it worth it and get a nice manifold, actually need to pull my car out of the marketplace


you shouldnt really need to change your charge piping when you switch manifolds.

yeah, my downpipe isnt fully attached since the bigger turbo, so i have to get it welded anyway. i really didnt want a cast just because of the looks but im sick of taking mine off to get it welded. eventually just buying new gaskets will cost me more than just getting a new mani......


lol the only thing obx on my car is the bov. and thats only because it came with my charge piping. however, i hate the sound of it and really miss my hks :(

[Sparx]

I dont mean like fully change my charge piping, but chances are since im getting a manifold with such a different design the charge piping on my hot side probably wont line up. Therefore it'll just need a minor tweak no big deal. I have a greddy RS on my car i got it because hks sounds and works awesome but evvvveeeerrryyyyyyoooonnnnnneeeee has one

[misterrick]

Originally posted by Sparx
I dont mean like fully change my charge piping, but chances are since im getting a manifold with such a different design the charge piping on my hot side probably wont line up. Therefore it'll just need a minor tweak no big deal. I have a greddy RS on my car i got it because hks sounds and works awesome but evvvveeeerrryyyyyyoooonnnnnneeeee has one

everyone drives a civic too. turns out if 100,000 people like something, its usually worth a try :poosie:

(my $0.02)



oh, and more pics soon. just have to get my camera from the garage :thumbsup: and take an inspiration break of course......

[Sparx]

Originally posted by misterrick


everyone drives a civic too. turns out if 100,000 people like something, its usually worth a try :poosie:

(my $0.02)



oh, and more pics soon. just have to get my camera from the garage :thumbsup: and take an inspiration break of course......

Hahahaa yeah i suppose cant argue that

[misterrick]

a few more pics from my rainy day off. (one of the few perks of landscaping)

this is before i clean the outside of the IM.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/EG6/P1010305.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/EG6/P1010306.jpg

preparing a couple hoses. seemed like a good time/place to use up a bit of s.s. hose i had left.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/EG6/P1010307.jpg

oil pan, pickup and whatever the hell you call that metal plate thing off (this is me wishing i had an engine stand :cry: )
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/EG6/P1010309.jpg

one piston out. didnt wreck anything yet :P
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/EG6/P1010310.jpg

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/EG6/P1010311.jpg

all the pistons out :D
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/EG6/P1010312.jpg

i ended up cleaning the tops of the pistons as well but havent gotten around to taking more pics. i have to somehow keep myself busy with cleaning and such until i can get the last of the parts. otherwise im gonna lose my mind and start pulling my car apart!!! it drives me nuts seeing parts sitting there that could be on my car.....

[misterrick]

well, ive been working since 9pm...its now 2am....a lot of progress. ive been taking pics as i go. i got to my first tricky bolt so i figured it was time to take a break and think about it :thumbsup:

pics up later!

i have b16 parts all over my garage right now...

[misterrick]

ugh.... still no pics. ive been working on the car the last 24 hours straight, no sleep. and when i fire it up, the guy i bought the spare motor from didnt put a pipe plug on one tiny hole. now i have at least a few hours ahead of me fixing it, AND vacuuming oil off the garage floor.....fml....

[misterrick]

so i guess i forgot to update things... lol since the new rings, ive already managed to blow them even worse than before, after only 2000kms..... time to try again :poosie:

[Sentry]

Did you at least get that first sweet hit of boost?

[misterrick]

Lol oh yes. I bagged it pretty good. Didn't break it in nearly long enough though....plus I also used some rings from altrom, so who knows the quality... This time it's cometic head gasket, oem Honda rings, and arp headstuds :D

[TT-fast]

this is a pretty cool build man i was planning on turbo'ing my integra but its not the kinda power i was looking for at the moment.

but ya keep it up i would like to see more pics to:)

[misterrick]

Originally posted by TT-fast
this is a pretty cool build man i was planning on turbo'ing my integra but its not the kinda power i was looking for at the moment.

but ya keep it up i would like to see more pics to:)


despite all the dumb shit that has come up since being boosted, its still MORE than worth it in the power gain dept.

its starting to make sense why my MBC wasnt working though, there probably isnt even enough compression to make more than 8psi :nut:

pics will be soon. i have a few that i took before that i still havent uploaded. and there will be a few new ones once i get under the hood and start tearing it apart again. as well as some pics of the new parts :thumbsup:

[Primer_Drift]

Hate to say it, but perhaps you should drop your engine off at an experience builder.. May save yourself some headaches, no?

[misterrick]

Originally posted by Primer_Drift
Hate to say it, but perhaps you should drop your engine off at an experience builder.. May save yourself some headaches, no?


No thanks. There's only one way I'm gonna learn. I was just stupid and boosted on brand new rings without a perfect tune. It still lasted 2000kms. I don't doubt my ability to build this motor perfectly, but I DO doubt my ability to keep me foot off the throttle and break it in properly :(

[Primer_Drift]

Originally posted by misterrick



No thanks. There's only one way I'm gonna learn. I was just stupid and boosted on brand new rings without a perfect tune. It still lasted 2000kms. I don't doubt my ability to build this motor perfectly, but I DO doubt my ability to keep me foot off the throttle and break it in properly :(

While I can commend your zeal, I think you may be looking at a tough road ahead.. engine shops have a lot of highly accurate tools you probably do not have. A Sunnen dial bore gauge for instance (like this (http://cgi.ebay.ca/Sunnen-Dial-Bore-Gauge-and-Setting-Fixture_W0QQitemZ230371543785QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Automotive_Tools?hash=item35a336cae9&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)).. can help immensely for getting the correct ring end gap.. which is essential for boosted apps. I'm not sure what you are using to measure everything up, but precision is the key to ensuring the engine lasts.

IMO hard break ins are good break ins.. if you could break it in on the Dyno, even better. Pussy footing around with a new engine often leads to poor ring loading and decreased compression.

Take it all with a grain of salt, I'm just offering my $0.02 :)

[misterrick]

Originally posted by Primer_Drift


While I can commend your zeal, I think you may be looking at a tough road ahead.. engine shops have a lot of highly accurate tools you probably do not have. A Sunnen dial bore gauge for instance (like this (http://cgi.ebay.ca/Sunnen-Dial-Bore-Gauge-and-Setting-Fixture_W0QQitemZ230371543785QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Automotive_Tools?hash=item35a336cae9&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)).. can help immensely for getting the correct ring end gap.. which is essential for boosted apps. I'm not sure what you are using to measure everything up, but precision is the key to ensuring the engine lasts.

IMO hard break ins are good break ins.. if you could break it in on the Dyno, even better. Pussy footing around with a new engine often leads to poor ring loading and decreased compression.

Take it all with a grain of salt, I'm just offering my $0.02 :)


I know exactly what you mean. If I was building a fully built expensive as hell engine, I would take it to someone. But since I'm just re-ringing a stock b16, I'm comfortable with my abilities in conjuction with Lawrence from Calgary autoworks.

[Sparx]

Originally posted by Primer_Drift


While I can commend your zeal, I think you may be looking at a tough road ahead.. engine shops have a lot of highly accurate tools you probably do not have. A Sunnen dial bore gauge for instance (like this (http://cgi.ebay.ca/Sunnen-Dial-Bore-Gauge-and-Setting-Fixture_W0QQitemZ230371543785QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Automotive_Tools?hash=item35a336cae9&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)).. can help immensely for getting the correct ring end gap.. which is essential for boosted apps. I'm not sure what you are using to measure everything up, but precision is the key to ensuring the engine lasts.

IMO hard break ins are good break ins.. if you could break it in on the Dyno, even better. Pussy footing around with a new engine often leads to poor ring loading and decreased compression.

Take it all with a grain of salt, I'm just offering my $0.02 :)

I agree with his statement on hard break ins, i think a week after my b20 was in (car was only spun around my neighborhood a few times and to the exhaust shop so there was minimal driving) she hit the dyno and has been a princess ever since.

[misterrick]

well, didnt even get as far as uploading pics, and i had to move back to manitoba. within 12 hours of being there, my motor detonated :( blew oil right into the exhaust manifold and more....


SO,



im taking advantage of living with my parents again, and building a "poor mans type-r" in their garage.

those of you unfamiliar, this is a somewhat altered version, but still the same basic principle,

b16a2 head
gs-r bottom end
gs-r pistons
gs-r cams
aebs intake manifold
ACL main and rod bearings and thrust washers
cometic head gasket
and re using my ARP studs.


the bonus i see in using the b16 head, is the higher flow, intake/exhaust manifold compatibility, and the fact that it (and the thicker gasket) will lower my compression to a slightly more useable 9.78:1 (zeal compression calculator)

i had considered just building an NA setup as the p30 pistons would give it about an 11.7:1 ratio, but thats not really what im going for here :poosie:


while the motor is out, there will be MASS cleaning, as well as tucking as many wires and lines as possible.

any thoughts are appreciated. if anyone can think of anything else useful to do while the motor is out, it would be quite helpful :)

[Joe-G]

You moved back! Damn, who's gonna make me random stuff when i need it now?

uhmmm paint the engine bay a nice color? Tuck the brake lines including the prop valve!

[Sentry]

Originally posted by misterrick
i had considered just building an NA setup
Don't fall for that trap. :D

Looking forward to progress pics.

[89s1]

RS Machines makes some great pistons if you do decide to stay n/a.

Who wants to go back once they've been boosted though.

Nice car. I saw your thread on Heights about your motor, shitty deal.

[misterrick]

Originally posted by Joe-G
You moved back! Damn, who's gonna make me random stuff when i need it now?

uhmmm paint the engine bay a nice color? Tuck the brake lines including the prop valve!



Originally posted by Sentry

Don't fall for that trap. :D

Looking forward to progress pics.


lol yeah i moved back. landscaping doesnt really pay the bills when it snows a few times a week.... now at least i can go back to school, and get a real job. or i guess career... lol


as far as fabbing goes, i'll get you in touch with a buddy of mine that works at quest fab. i cant remember his username off the top of my head.

brake lines is actually an awesome idea! that stupid prop valve has been in my way a few times :banghead:




i wont fall for the NA trap. now that my turbo/exhaust setup is near perfected, i dont wanna change things around. especially since i wont get free welding now :(

progress pics will come right away. im probably pulling the head of the b16 in the next day or so and picking up the gs-r bottom end this weekend if all goes well

:thumbsup:

[misterrick]

Originally posted by 89s1
RS Machines makes some great pistons if you do decide to stay n/a.

Who wants to go back once they've been boosted though.

Nice car. I saw your thread on Heights about your motor, shitty deal.



i was pretty sure it was you lol. exact same username kind of gave it away :P


yeah i was just out for a drive, the car had been running PERFECTLY for a 13 hour trip, then i stepped on it in second and POP! had a subaru motor :P i even richened things up on the tune before i left. guess it wasnt enough :(

[Mr_ET]

that's why you get these things tuned :P

I also recommend RS Machines pistons I bought some for my N/A build.

Who is doing your motor and head? I still need to drop mine off maybe we could work out a package deal with Precise or something :P

[misterrick]

Originally posted by Mr_ET
that's why you get these things tuned :P

I also recommend RS Machines pistons I bought some for my N/A build.

Who is doing your motor and head? I still need to drop mine off maybe we could work out a package deal with Precise or something :P



lol you must not be reading well :P i moved back meaning im in winnipeg. i had a killer tune for calgary. just turned out to be A killer in manitoba :( and im doing the motor. im not really touching the head besides valve clearances with the new cams. i had confidence in my build after this last time. ran AMAZING for a 15 hour trip and two weeks beforehand. better than the day i bought it. stupid elevation....

[962 kid]

Originally posted by misterrick




lol you must not be reading well :P i moved back meaning im in winnipeg. i had a killer tune for calgary. just turned out to be A killer in manitoba :( and im doing the motor. im not really touching the head besides valve clearances with the new cams. i had confidence in my build after this last time. ran AMAZING for a 15 hour trip and two weeks beforehand. better than the day i bought it. stupid elevation....

How different were your AFRs going from Calgary to Manitoba?

[Primer_Drift]

This is why honda ecu's use a barometric sensor... unless you had the sensor disabled it would automatically adjust for changes in air density... So was it disabled?

[misterrick]

Originally posted by Primer_Drift
This is why honda ecu's use a barometric sensor... unless you had the sensor disabled it would automatically adjust for changes in air density... So was it disabled?


very good question. i run crome and have never seen it mentioned in anything ive looked through.

[misterrick]

Originally posted by 962 kid


How different were your AFRs going from Calgary to Manitoba?



under normal driving, i didnt see a change at all besides at idle. it had been idling a little rich in calgary (13.7ish) then it idled stoich when i got there.

[962 kid]

How do you figure it was the elevation change that killed the motor then?

[misterrick]

Originally posted by 962 kid
How do you figure it was the elevation change that killed the motor then?


at this point i cant see any other explanation for it to detonate. i guess once i get it apart, it might tell a different story. unfortunately its too late to do anything about it now anyways :( back to the drawing board lol

[Joe-G]

Originally posted by misterrick



very good question. i run crome and have never seen it mentioned in anything ive looked through.

Really? PA sensor right a bell? Anyways yeaaa too late lol. Thats harsh though, this is like the 3rd time your re-doing your engine?

[Primer_Drift]

My guess is that EGT's killed it.. look for scored cylinder walls.

[Sparx]

Damn rick ur back in manitoba that sucks... Atleast im the only turbo rhd sir in calgary now :poosie: And my bitch is definitely gonna see some changes now

[misterrick]

Originally posted by Joe-G


Really? PA sensor right a bell? Anyways yeaaa too late lol. Thats harsh though, this is like the 3rd time your re-doing your engine?



Originally posted by Primer_Drift
My guess is that EGT's killed it.. look for scored cylinder walls.



Originally posted by Sparx
Damn rick ur back in manitoba that sucks... Atleast im the only turbo rhd sir in calgary now :poosie: And my bitch is definitely gonna see some changes now


hmmm. PA sensor you say? i'll have to check it out more in depth before i get everythig back together.


the egt's could be it. my egt probe stopped working a couple months ago :( i'll check the walls and post pics when i have it apart.

and yeah im back. i know im definitely the only turbo sir in portage la prairie, mb lmfao although a buddy of mine has the same car and wants me to do some work to it.......



and to reassure everyone, i found a few great honda tuners out here, and dyno time is less than half the price, so the tune wont be a problem again :)

[Sparx]

If it makes you feel better i put a hole through my block about the size of a black berry pearl, and the other hole was about the size of a golf ball

[misterrick]

Originally posted by Sparx
If it makes you feel better i put a hole through my block about the size of a black berry pearl, and the other hole was about the size of a golf ball


nice!! i feel a little better lol pretty sure i can still salvage 80% or more of my motor :P was your wastegate still attached after that?

[Graham_A_M]

Originally posted by Sparx
Damn rick ur back in manitoba that sucks...

Yeah Rick, I wish you would have said something. I would have been able to land you a decent paying 40hr/week FT job without too much trouble if I knew you were looking.

I guess its too late now. :(
Ah well, at least you're close to your family now;)

[Sparx]

Originally posted by misterrick



nice!! i feel a little better lol pretty sure i can still salvage 80% or more of my motor :P was your wastegate still attached after that?

Hahaha yeah blew out right beside the dipstick

[misterrick]

Originally posted by Graham_A_M


Yeah Rick, I wish you would have said something. I would have been able to land you a decent paying 40hr/week FT job without too much trouble if I knew you were looking.

I guess its too late now. :(
Ah well, at least you're close to your family now;)


its all good. it was kind of a last minute decision.

[misterrick]

Originally posted by Sparx


Hahaha yeah blew out right beside the dipstick



pics or it didnt happen :P

[misterrick]

curse you internet! ive been sitting here at the computer and now ive decided to add ARP main studs to the whole thing. why not if i have it all apart? lol now i just have to sell a guitar it looks like....

[misterrick]

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/ricknotjames/EG6/p1010386.jpg

pretty sure i dont have to point out what this picture is.

to top it off the oil was like chocolate milk, and the head gasket seemed fine.... good thing i dont plan on using this block lol

[RickDaTuner]

Looks like improper ring gap caused the oil to be completely wiped from the walls leading to scored walls and a blown piston.

For 2k kms those cylinder walls sure look pretty shiny, did you even bother to re-hone them before you put the new rings in?

[Mr_ET]

This is the second cylinder 3 piston I see melted in that specific spot, the head probably looks fine right?

[Sentry]

3 runs hottest because it's surrounded by two cylinders and it's furthest from the water pump, right?

[misterrick]

Originally posted by RickDaTuner
Looks like improper ring gap caused the oil to be completely wiped from the walls leading to scored walls and a blown piston.

For 2k kms those cylinder walls sure look pretty shiny, did you even bother to re-hone them before you put the new rings in?



Originally posted by Mr_ET
This is the second cylinder 3 piston I see melted in that specific spot, the head probably looks fine right?



Originally posted by Sentry
3 runs hottest because it's surrounded by two cylinders and it's furthest from the water pump, right?

i gapped the rings properly, using the advice/math of lawrence at calgary autoworks. i did hone them, but obviously not nearly enough :(

head looks fine. oil looked like chocolate milk though, so the block could be fubar'd in other places too

[RickDaTuner]

Originally posted by Sentry
3 runs hottest because it's surrounded by two cylinders and it's furthest from the water pump, right?
#3 melts and detonates first due to intake design channeling more air to that runner, its the same story on every in line 4 cylinder engine.


Originally posted by misterrick



i gapped the rings properly, using the advice/math of lawrence at calgary autoworks. i did hone them, but obviously not nearly enough :(

head looks fine. oil looked like chocolate milk though, so the block could be fubar'd in other places too

How many kms were on that block, I stated improper ring gap due to a nicely formed ridge on the top of the cylinder wall.

What was the gap that was used for the rings?

As Premier_Drift stated; you really needed a bore gauge to see the conditions of the cylinder. If you gapped your rings at the top of the cylinder, then they were most definitely gapped wrong, also if you did them at the middle of the bore, then again they were gapped wrong. Trying to fit a new set of rings for a boosted application with cylinders that are out of round and tapered is asking for trouble, kinda like what happened with your engine.

The type of material that the rings are made of has a huge part to play on what the gap should be. This along with running boost and not monitoring the EGTs leads to these kinds of failures, rings over expand bind and wear the cylinder walls prematurely. High EGTs lead to more ring expansion along with piston failures. It's all a huge snow ball effect.

Manual Boost controllers are not for temperamental climates like we get here in Alberta or anywhere in Canada for that matter. Adjusting the reed valve one day doesn't mean that you will be getting the same boost the next, or even the next hour in some cases. yes everyone runs them, but this is just poor tuning. most people get them for the "cost effectiveness"

All in all, if you want to turbo another block, then go the extra step, take a block get it machined .020 over, buy some new bore matched Turbo application pistons and rings to go along with it. then build it to the piston manufactures specifications, because really when you go forged or built block, the OEM specifications for the most part go out the window.

If you spend the extra 800-1k on the block you will save yourself huge headaches down the road, but then again if you fail to assemble it correctly, then you will find yourself with more headaches that you can deal with.

best wishes on your build man.

[Primer_Drift]

Originally posted by RickDaTuner

As Premier_Drift stated;


haha premier, I like it.. I concur with everything Rick has said though.. ring gap or bore out of round.


Originally posted by Primer_Drift
My guess is that EGT's killed it.. look for scored cylinder walls.

This could still apply to some degree, but it looks like the cylinders are "washed out" vs heat scored meaning excessive ring to cylinder pressure not excessive EGT. Let's see a picture of the plugs and combustion chambers. I'll see if I can find a picture of my old h22 with heat scoring for comparison..

At any rate you're going to have to bore it out now to reuse that block, but by the sounds of it you will do bigger and better than a B16.