Spotted: De-badged C63 AMG

[rmk]

Looking good

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/gsr_ryan/165d14b7.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/gsr_ryan/6214d50b.jpg



[edited the license plate]

[Jlude]

nice find... nice pics!!!

[max_boost]

OH NICE!!!! :drool: :burnout:

[ekguy]

now thats a car. :poosie: :drool: :bigpimp:

[schocker]

that is badass:drool:

[dimi]

Holy Fuck that is sooo sick!

[Sharpie]

I saw one of these last week. sick looking cars

[infected]

nice spot :thumbsup:

[TomcoPDR]

wow, tight :burnout:

[Herb]

thats freakin sick :love: :thumbsup:

[ThisPersian]

badass car, looks great good spot

[finboy]

:thumbsup:

[kamatayan]

spotted this outside my work 2 months ago... .. .


http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/Kingkalag/DSC01097.jpg
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/Kingkalag/DSC01096.jpg
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/Kingkalag/DSC01095.jpg

[Accord_tunerx]

e series?!?!?!

[jdmSiR]

:whipped:

[Sran69]

Sexxxieee

[B17a]

What's MSRP on a C63?

[gretz]

probably around 150g's

[dj_honda]

Originally posted by gretz
probably around 150g's

lol

its high 60's if i remember right.

edit: starts at $63 500

[gretz]

edit: brand new - 80g's loaded
was thinking s65 for comparison

[Konj]

was this picture taken in mount royal?

[CLiVE]

Spotted a black one yesterday just outside of Paris. Very nice. Sounded mean. :thumbsup:

[vtec4life]

i saw the silver one on 4th street saturday by Mercato.....so sexy:cry:

[RX_EVOLV]

those are nice cars, spotted this one the other day :drool:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g231/rx_evolv/DSC00094.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g231/rx_evolv/DSC00095.jpg

[rmk]

Originally posted by Konj
was this picture taken in mount royal?

Yes

[me&you]

Originally posted by gretz
edit: brand new - 80g's loaded
was thinking s65 for comparison

Well, you were wrong on all counts.

The S65 (like the one pictured above) starts at $240.

I've seen a C63 a few times now... that car has an amazing presence.

[gpomp]

i want one... :love:

[bashir26]

How can you tell the difference between an S63 and a S65? I haven't seen a S65 yet, but seen plenty S63s

[me&you]

Originally posted by bashir26
How can you tell the difference between an S63 and a S65? I haven't seen a S65 yet, but seen plenty S63s

Very difficult aside from badges.

S63 side badge = 6.3 AMG
S65 side badge = V12 Bi-turbo

[bashir26]

Originally posted by me&you


Very difficult aside from badges.

S63 side badge = 6.3 AMG
S65 side badge = V12 Bi-turbo

Thanks for the information!

[pyroza]

beautiful car

[Das_Amaretto]

I'd love to see when that debadged C63 smokes some cocky tool in his new M3.... the look on his face would be priceless, wouldn't have a clue what just happened.

- everyone's seen that top gear, right? :dunno:

[bituerbo]

That debaged one is going to make a ricer cry... and then go buy NOS.

[dimi]

Originally posted by Das_Amaretto
I'd love to see when that debadged C63 smokes some cocky tool in his new M3.... the look on his face would be priceless, wouldn't have a clue what just happened.

- everyone's seen that top gear, right? :dunno:

When the DSG M3 is out I think it might hang on to the C63

[crazydriver]

Nice spotting! :thumbsup:

[Tuner1]

Originally posted by Das_Amaretto
I'd love to see when that debadged C63 smokes some cocky tool in his new M3.... the look on his face would be priceless, wouldn't have a clue what just happened.


I think it is safe to say that most new M3 owners know exactly what a C63 is (and vise versa) and likely considered one before purchasing their ///M car.

I drove a C63 a couple of weeks ago. Great car with tons of torque, but I still like to shift gears with my right hand and left foot.

Rob

[Trini]

:drool: :drool: :drool: love it

[gpomp]

Originally posted by Tuner1


I think it is safe to say that most new M3 owners know exactly what a C63 is (and vise versa) and likely considered one before purchasing their ///M car.

I drove a C63 a couple of weeks ago. Great car with tons of torque, but I still like to shift gears with my right hand and left foot.

Rob have you driven the m3?

[Kaos]

Originally posted by Das_Amaretto
I'd love to see when that debadged C63 smokes some cocky tool in his new M3.... the look on his face would be priceless, wouldn't have a clue what just happened.

- everyone's seen that top gear, right? :dunno:

....and then both the C63 and M3 will be in the corner and the C63 would be spinning out. Then the C63 would be wondering what the hell happened. :whipped:

:whocares:

[ZorroAMG]

^Huh?

It's not like the m3 is a magic car that drives itself. :rolleyes: Both cars are high powered machines that will take some finesse to corner properly, the C63 just requires MORE of it with all the torque.

[Hakkola]

Originally posted by ZorroAMG
Both cars are high powered machines that will take some finesse to corner properly, the C63 just requires MORE of it with all the torque.

So, what you're saying is that the C63 is a more skilled driver's car... :D

[xrayvsn]

Hmm, for all the M3s we have in the city, I have seen a total of 1 E92 M3 at Race City regularly. All of that handling advantage doesn't mean as much on the street when you are going, what 7/10ths at most? You can certainly use the torque and more power of the C63 day to day. Not sure how much of the cornering limits of either car are going to be utilized on public streets.

How many people who buy these cars even know what an apex is to know that they will have more difficulty hitting it in the C63 than in the M3? It is very hard to argue against the price of the C63. Track times only really matter if you are planning on, you know, tracking the car...

[ZorroAMG]

^EXACTLY.

Plus the C63 looks WAY cooler and has torque. :D

[E36M3]

If handling doesn't matter, why bother with an AMG or M model? Just get a 325 or a C230 or whatever the base is.

Handling matters to me on the street.. maybe you guys are disconnected from your cars, but I can tell a big difference when a car handles well.

Having said that, I'm sure the C63 and M3 are both great cars. They are quite different, and I'm sure most people do not exploit their performance.

Getting a high-end car is as much about the potential for performance as anything else. I've never owned a sports car that I haven't tracked, most of them are on the track within a week of ownership.. so maybe I am not a typical owner, who knows.

[ZorroAMG]

Yeah you definitely aren't the typical owner and I see what you are saying. I guess my point is that the "negatives" around the C63 will never be tested on the streets by the average driver, making its HUGE positives over the M3 that much more appealing....

[Tuner1]

Originally posted by gpomp
have you driven the m3?

Yes I have. Both it and the C63 are amazing cars.

Rob

[blownz]

You guys are making some great arguments for all of us to drive Buicks on a regular basis. Since we aren't going to use/need the handling most of the time. lol

I actually don't really get the major arguments that always happen between to close performing cars like the C63 and the M3. So one handles slightly better and the other is slightly faster. Neither is going to make a difference 99% of the time. If you are in the market, buy what you think looks better and you will pretty much be guaranteed happy.

Personally if I was in the market for one of them, based on looks and what I have read, I would prefer the C63, but the lack of the manual transmission would probably put me in the M3 just because I still find it more fun to shift myself.

[xrayvsn]

No, my point is that the fine differences in handling between the two cars aren't really exploited until you get near the limit, which you can only do safely on the track. A lot of people buy these cars and talk about how their car laps X roadcourse faster than Y car, but then when I invite them to actually go to the track, they make excuses why they don't want to go.

If all you are doing with the car is driving it on the street, why does it matter that it is 2 sec faster on a track if you don't care to track it? On the street, cars that close in performance will feel great, regardless of which one you choose to buy.

I am just glad we still have such great choices at this price point.

[blownz]

I'm not arguing with you, I agree 100%. :thumbsup:

[E36M3]

Wether or not you push them past 7/10ths, they both handle quite differently.. it might be more down to personal preference than to ultimate performance.

Obviously if lap times matter, either car is a poor choice because for the same price you could get an Ariel Atom or some ultra lightweight that would destroy either one of them. Big heavy street cars are crappy on the track vs something that is built for the purpose.


Originally posted by xrayvsn
No, my point is that the fine differences in handling between the two cars aren't really exploited until you get near the limit, which you can only do safely on the track. A lot of people buy these cars and talk about how their car laps X roadcourse faster than Y car, but then when I invite them to actually go to the track, they make excuses why they don't want to go.

If all you are doing with the car is driving it on the street, why does it matter that it is 2 sec faster on a track if you don't care to track it? On the street, cars that close in performance will feel great, regardless of which one you choose to buy.

I am just glad we still have such great choices at this price point.

[scat330]

Nice 2 year bump ;)

[psycoticclown]

Nice new account ;)

[E36M3]

Yeah, weird.. got a thread email from beyond on this today.


Originally posted by scat330
Nice 2 year bump ;)

[rage2]

Way to bump an old thread!

Since we're talking about handling, and now that I've had my C63 for 6 months now, I figured out why in almost all reviews at the track with the M3, the M3 is faster at the track.

When cornering in the C63, there's a VERY fine line between not enough power on exit, and too much power. Once you're over the limit, you get sideways and lose a lot of speed and time. It's so sensitive once the back end steps out that it's very hard to bring it back smoothly and quickly to minimize time lost out of a corner. Add the huge variance in grip when the P-Zero's are warm vs hot, and you have no clue where the fucking limit is half the time anyways. Translation - it's a bitch to drive 9/10ths in that car consistently. In the 50 tanks of gas I've burnt off, I think I've only taken 2 corners where it felt "perfect" and I can't go any faster.

The M3 on the other hand, is easy to find, approach, and maintain maximum cornering/exit speed. Any decent driver hopping in will be able to rocket off a 9/10ths lap with ease. You need to be a F1 star to pull that off in a C63, so you're either driving 80% or you're overdriving the car.

The C63 is the only car I've owned where it was so difficult to drive consistently hard. I had to completely relearn how to drive this spring because the throttle is so sensitive (I'm used to laggy turbo cars). I'm always feeling like I'm too slow on exit, or I'm fucking sideways burning off another set of tires. Or maybe I'm just getting old...

[CSMRX7]

I can't comment on th C63 but I can say the M3 is remarkably easy to drive at 9/10ths. It gives so much feedback and is easily to pull back when you go a little too far. I am sure the C63 in the right hands is very capable as well, but I think the M3 can be pretty capable even with me behing the wheel ;)

[rage2]

Yea, the M3 is definately a better track car based on my limited time with one just in terms of consistency. I'm sure if I was a F1 superstar I can maintain that razor's edge at 9/10ths in a C63, but unfortunately, I'm not.

It's not that the C63 doesn't have feedback, I know exactly when things are about to happen. It's just that the recovery is fucking brutal. If the rear end steps out, you pretty much instantly lose 5-10kph speed. I suspect it has a lot to do with the fact that there's only 255's out back in a 4000lb car and those tires are severely overworked. Well they only last like 3500km on a set of rears.

The car drifts really well tho. You can hold some pretty sick slides in a C63. That is easily controlled. It's like the car was designed to drift. :rofl:

[BlkMaxima]

Originally posted by rage2
Yea, the M3 is definately a better track car based on my limited time with one just in terms of consistency. I'm sure if I was a F1 superstar I can maintain that razor's edge at 9/10ths in a C63, but unfortunately, I'm not.

It's not that the C63 doesn't have feedback, I know exactly when things are about to happen. It's just that the recovery is fucking brutal. If the rear end steps out, you pretty much instantly lose 5-10kph speed. I suspect it has a lot to do with the fact that there's only 255's out back in a 4000lb car and those tires are severely overworked. Well they only last like 3500km on a set of rears.

The car drifts really well tho. You can hold some pretty sick slides in a C63. That is easily controlled. It's like the car was designed to drift. :rofl:

Proof
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P.S. M3 Drivers have no friends!

[beyond_ban]

I wonder how quickly a 4 door M3 would make that same run.

[CSMRX7]

Originally posted by beyond_ban
I wonder how quickly a 4 door M3 would make that same run.

The M3 sedan is about 50lbs heavier than the coupe, however the chasis is stiffer, and has shorter overhang in the rear.

At some tracks the sedan is actually faster than the coupe, but they tend to be withing 10ths of a second.