Gas price relief real or fake?

[ApexDrift]

so just spending some time on youtube and stumbled across this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BMbXfYG47s&feature=bz302

which linked to this

http://gaspricerelief.net/

thoughts?

[Weapon_R]

Anyone who is offering a hydrogen conversion that works for $150 would be plastered on every news station, newspaper, and magazine on Earth and not on a website that looks like it was designed by a 10 year old.

[ApexDrift]

sorry i mean the concept, the possibility to convert a gas running car to run on both


edit meh never mind stupid post

[Xtrema]

SPAM

:closed:

[rage2]

Actually, Hydrogen Injection works very well, except those kits don't work on 99.9% of the cars lol. There are hydrogen kits that are available for sale (mostly geared towards diesel truckers) and they work very well. The link you provided simply provides a guide to how it works for $300 (scam), which basically inclused the information I'm telling you right now.

Here's how it works. At cruise, our cars run proper at 14.7 AFR (for every 14.7 parts air, it needs 1 part fuel). Now, if you heat up the fuel and spray hydrogen into the system, all of a sudden you can run at 30.0 AFR (30 parts air, 1 part fuel), basically reducing your fuel consumption by half.

What these kits do is provide an onboard electrolysis system to create a steady flow of hydrogen for this purpose. The system runs off your car's power system.

Here's why it doesn't work on 99.9% of the cars.

1. Good luck tricking modern computers into injecting 1/2 the fuel at cruise without changing anything else (such as timing). It's the same dillema us tuners face trying to inject twice as much fuel for aftermarket turbo kits on a stock ECU.

2. The Hydrogen comes from water. What happens in winter? That's right, water is frozen, no hydrogen.

3. How do you heat up the fuel efficiently for better atomization?

I do believe that this is a good stop gap solution to the rising fuel costs, and that manufacturers will probably be using something like this in the near future on their cars. Thinking you can adapt this to any car right now... good luck :). You can probably convert an old carb junker or 80's EFI car to do this nicely. Well, in the summers anyways.

[nich148_9]

This doesn't make any sense to me:


Our easy conversion guide will show you how to use electricity from your car's battery to separate water into a gas called HHO (2 Hydrogen + 1 Oxygen). HHO, also called Brown's Gas or Hydroxy, burns smoothly and provides significant energy - while the end product is just H2O! HHO provides the atomic power of Hydrogen, while maintaining the stability of water.

I haven't done much chem (got bored), but if it has 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom, isn't that just water? So, it converts water into water... which apparently burns.

:bullshit:

Oh, and Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car) (admittedly, not the best or most reliable source) says a few things about this:
1. Water is a stable compound, and therefore cannot release energy on its own by attempting to burn it.
2. A less stable additive such as calcium carbide must be added to the water in order to burn it to release energy.
3. The type of electrolysis commonly described in these water fueled car stories requires more energy to do the electrolysis process than you actually can get out of it.
4. The cars often described in these stories would violate the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics.

[dr_jared88]

Originally posted by nich148_9
This doesn't make any sense to me:



I haven't done much chem (got bored), but if it has 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom, isn't that just water? So, it converts water into water... which apparently burns.

:bullshit:

Oh, and Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car) (admittedly, not the best or most reliable source) says a few things about this:
1. Water is a stable compound, and therefore cannot release energy on its own by attempting to burn it.
2. A less stable additive such as calcium carbide must be added to the water in order to burn it to release energy.
3. The type of electrolysis commonly described in these water fueled car stories requires more energy to do the electrolysis process than you actually can get out of it.
4. The cars often described in these stories would violate the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics. ]

HHO isnt the same as H20 actually

[nich148_9]

Originally posted by dr_jared88
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HHO isnt the same as H20 actually

...and that's where my lack of chem knowledge shows. However, the remainder should (maybe) be correct.

[rage2]

Originally posted by nich148_9
3. The type of electrolysis commonly described in these water fueled car stories requires more energy to do the electrolysis process than you actually can get out of it.
4. The cars often described in these stories would violate the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics.
This only applies to water powered engines. We're talking about hydrogen injection, which aids fuel combustion in lowering the fuel required.

Funny, I designed on paper a water powered car using electrolysis for my grade 3 science fair project. Then my teacher explained the laws of thermodynamics to me. I got schooled and had to do something else haha.

[mark4091]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hFG7hYdzyj4&feature=related


It works, just how much trouble would it be to install?

[Senseiz]

Well, just invest in one of these now..

http://www.techamok.com/pics/08/jun/trader.jpg