Alberta: COMPLETE BAN ON RHD STARTING JAN 1st 2009!!! (Unsubstantiated information)

[stinky_1]

News has come across our members over at IVOAC.CA that there is going to be a TOTAL ban on RHD vehicles starting Jan 1st 2009. Please note we are NOT talking about changing the law to 25 years, or removing it all together. I am talking about every single RHD car ALREADY HERE not being able to get registration for the car past Jan 1st 2009!!! This affects ANYONE who has a car now, plans to buy one, or just enjoys seeing them around.

Please watch the thread found here

http://www.ivoac.ca/pn/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=20004#20004


If you have ANY information that you think could be usefull to figure out how legit this claim is, or you want to know what you can do to stop this please post on there, or PM me! We need to act now or lose our rides forever!

[Canmorite]

It's a rumor, need to see an official press release...

[Jlude]

Not even gonna pay attention until it's official

[projekz]

Probably not gonna happen! I'd like to see the Transport Canada take off all the existing shit boxes off the road before they start fucking around with cars that pass out of province inspections all day long! There is so many CDM cars that a dangerous on the road. (by shit boxes I mean 88 Ford Escort with bald tires and no front brakes)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/projkez/shitbox-car-0508-lg.jpg

[mark4091]

Oh noes.



Even if I don't care about it, it sounds like BS from a mile away.

[Shogged]

what about people who have cars already? they can't just expect people to get rid of their cars and shell out the cash for a new one.

[Ymerej47]

I wonder if all those RHD cars would be sent to pick a part or something and then people could buy the cars as a whole and convert them back to RHD just to piss people off because technically its still a canadian car!!

[sr20s14zenki]

:bullshit:

its most likely a rumor, it stinks of shit. I personally dont drive a RHD but i think as another poster said, until they force the removal of some of the pieces of shit on our roads right now, people should have the right to choose the car they want to drive. I dont understand how they can use the premise that RHD is unsafe...the only thing thats unsafe is passing on a hiway and left hand turns, and you can easily avoid doing one of those. All the rhd that come here are forced to pass a pretty picky OOP inspection, which half the pieces of shit already here dont even have to do.

Its funny tho, i half believe it, our government is always looking for sneaky new ways to fuck us, and this would be just another example. Dont buy a cheap decent car from japan, we want you to buy a shiny new one and support our country.


:rolleyes:

[stinky_1]

At this point we are still trying to confirm or deny this. ALL we have so far is that there have been people that went to renew their registration for another year that have been denied because it would give them registration PAST the Jan 1st deadline. They ended up with temperary registration that is expired JANUARY 1st 2009.

It smells like a load of crap to me too. But I would NOT expect TC to come and say "hey guys, we are going to make all yalls cars illegal starting on xxx date".

Keep in mind this is being pushed as an ALBERTA only rule. It is being put forth by our BUddy Ken RObinson. Who has already been pulling registration on skylines and other RHD cars and ordering another OOP be done. And putting salvage titles on US imports.

I would NOT put it past him to pull something like this, legal or not.......

You have your heads up. News will be posted on the link above as we get more info. For now, that is what we have.

[dj_rice]

Meh

[Destinova403]

Originally posted by dj_rice
Meh

[Jay911]

Hm, so all of the City of Calgary's garbage & recycling trucks will become illegal on 1/1/09 too, since they're dual-drive?

Methinks someone got upset at a rustbucket or the tool driving it and started a rumor. It'd be announced all over the place by now if it were real. Especially considering there's more to RHD than kids in worn-out Skylines and Silvias. I see more and more Toyota Hilux and 4Runner RHD machines between here and Vancouver all the time.

Not to mention the province banning RHD vehicles would be unenforceable, considering it's the federal government and Transport Canada who would have the authority to do that.

Alberta "banning" RHD is about as likely as Alberta "banning" Saskatchewanites. (don't get any ideas either)

[avow]

there is no way they are going to force the thousands of rhds that are on the road right now in alberta off the road. and further more, like it was said above, wouldnt something like this have to be put in place by transport canada and not provincial government? :dunno:

[badatusrnames]

From what I understand, what vehicles are and are not allowed on the road is decided at a Federal level, not a provincial one. Although I'm assuming that each province sets their own standards for their out of province inspections, so perhaps Alberta could simply find a loophole by stating that all RHD vehicles cannot pass provincial inspection by their very nature and therefore are unable to be registered?

Regardless, I would find it hard to believe that such a change would be made without any sort of study, public consultation and forewarning. Government must operate with certain a certain level on accountability when making policy. So when they act on something like this they have to perform due diligence by performing and presenting research to prove it is the proper decision to make, they must weigh the opinion of the public on the matter through consultation and they must give reasonable notice in order to give all affected parties reasonable time to prepare. Think about the smoking ban.

Six months would not be reasonable. And I find it difficult that the Alberta Government would act so rashly and unilaterally just because of a "perception" that the vehicles are unsafe without any sort of study or measurable facts to back this assumption. Some guy bitching that Skylines are as common as Sunfires doesn't cut it. I would also find it even harder to believe that even if they do prevent further vehicles from being brought into Alberta and registered, that existing ones would not be grandfathered. Those vehicles represent a significant amount of money that would be lost by those that have purchased RHD vehicles.

What worries me though is that given the demographic that drives these cars, that if a ban is proposed, stakeholders won't have the resources, wherewithal, or expertise to properly lobby against it. If, for example they attempted to ban rich old men from importing Cuban cigars, the demographic opposing such a bad would easily be able mount an effort lobbying against it. High Schoolers and early 20's kids. Not so much.

[Joe-G]

Even if they did ban RHD cars, they would have to allow the RHD cars already here or they would most likely have to compensate for our losses. Look at the EVO's that made it in Canada and were later deemed unworthy due to bumper laws, the handful of owners were still allowed to keep them :dunno:

[BlackFyre]

I call extreme bull-shit, I'm sorry but there is no way they could get enough support for this. They can piss and moan all they want about how unsafe RHD is, but the truth is, there are MUCH less safe vehicles allowed on the road daily. RHD vehicles had to at least pass an OOP, many vehicles on the road are so old and have been insured for long enough that no one knows how royally fucked they are. Also, if this were true, bikes would have been outlawed long ago, there are MANY more fatalities and accidents involving bikes than RHD vehicles anyways, It's just common sense.

[Sorath]

not gonna happen, alberta has more stuff to worry about than rhd cars rofl. if anything like that did happen, bc or ontario would be the first

[tabouli]

Good thing I plan my life around the accuracy of the beyond grapevine
Time to invest and buy as many RHD cars as I can afford

[tomt64]

Stinky, why do you keep linking us to rumours? This one stinks :rolleyes:


Originally posted by stinky_1
Ill send off some emails when I get home. first on my list is going to be Ken's boss!

As I see it, there is NO WAY they can get someting like this to fly. If they do I will get my red neck freinds to pay a visit to those parties involved.

It may be worth while to start digging up info on this Ken robinson guy as well. Eg: His facebook profile, his government email, his home address, whatever. If he wants to make this personal then lets make it personal!


You really would not be helping the situation if this was not a b/s rumour by going to threaten someone who is going to "pass" these laws.

If any real news that is worth reading comes up, it will be on beyond mate. :thumbsup:
Tbh it seems like all you are trying to get more members...

[Inzane]

Forget RHD for a sec...

If the politicians continue to push the recent environmental BS to its logical conclusion, we might ALL potentially lose our ability to keep our cars on the road.
:banghead:

[barmanjay]

Originally posted by Jay911
Hm, so all of the City of Calgary's garbage & recycling trucks will become illegal on 1/1/09 too, since they're dual-drive?....

Some of us won't be getting mail either

many of those small postal trucks are RHD for ease of employees servicing mail boxes.

[Jay911]

Originally posted by barmanjay
Some of us won't be getting mail either

many of those small postal trucks are RHD for ease of employees servicing mail boxes.

I forgot about those. See, out here in Bragg, they haven't discovered the concept of mail delivery yet - I have to drive into town to the post office, so those little step vans totally slipped my mind. :D

[bituerbo]

Postman Pat, Postman Pat, Postman Pat and his blackandwhite cat...

[heavyD]

I had heard that this would only affect registering of RHD vehicles in Alberta from out of province and commercial vehicles (postage, garbage trucks, etc) would be exempt. Once it's legally registered in Alberta it's in for good so while ther is truth to this, the part about not being able to re-register is BS.

[Eleanor]

I heard that they're going to kill off all the RHD drivers too, better start a thread in every single Canadian car forum about that too ;)

[Toms-SC]

Oh man that GTR Canada forum is funny. Thanks for posting slinky! Would not have been able to find it without you.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Toms-SC
Oh man that GTR Canada forum is funny. Thanks for posting slinky! Would not have been able to find it without you.

I especially like it how they think that banning RHD vehicles will put the local politicians on the hot seat. Do they really think that politicians are going to be swayed by a very small group of teenagers lol especially when the masses want them banned as well? The whole RHD importation thing was nice for the kids while it lasted but it's coming to an end. Accept it and go on with your life.:thumbsup:

[BigBadVlad]

It's probably true that the active, vocal proponents of RHD are a small minority when looking at the big picture. But to classify them as all teenagers that drive recklessly is not correct. That's an unfortunate stereotype that's been associated with the "RHD crowd". If this ban were to become real it will affect more than just a few kids. Accepting it and going on with your life is akin to sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich.

Perhaps our government will once again decide it's in the best interest of the public to ban alcohol seeing as how it could be reasoned it is the cause of certain family problems, injuries and deaths every year. Indeed I would think alcohol is far more dangerous and worthy of being banned. Bring back prohibition!

And to say the masses want them banned as well? I don't believe that and I don't think most people would either. What are the masses opinion on RHD? Probably really don't care much either way... People don't care about things going on until it directly affects them in a negative way. Just because you don't care or object to something your government is proposing now doesn't mean you shouldn't speak up, otherwise you may find one day your governemnt wanting to take something else away from you and you will find few to stand with you and speak against the government deciding your life would be better without beer...

United we stand, divided we fall has been a motto across nations and over the years for a reason.

[Destinova403]

im sorry... but im missing WHY this is a big deal...

theoretically:

it gets banned... the market is ALREADY flooded with RHD cars which arent selling (see beyond.ca marketplace) and anyone who really wants one already has one or can get one for cheap...

iv seen skylines go from 10,000 for a gts-t to like 5,000 for a gts-t because there are SO MANY of them, nobody wants them, and the fad is ending... how are the importers making any money with demand this low... and how are they staying in buisness?

so theoretically importing could get banned and the only people who would be hurt by it would be the importers themselves... who i cant imagine are making much money anymore in the first place since the fad died and the cars have no value....

also... why are RHD owners against this? if it stops the flood of RHD cars the ones that are already imported could theoretically rocket in value after the cheap ones sell out... so these owners might not get completely hosed by re-sale if they hold the car a bit and then try to sell...

so i repeat... why is this a big deal?

[962 kid]

It's a big deal to RHD people because it will make it impossible to register a RHD car after Jan 1st, 2009. Reading = good.

[Dumbass17]

OMG i hope this is true

BAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA:drama:

[BigBadVlad]

Because in 5 or 10 years time I may want to buy another one. Or perhaps if the one I have now gets written off.

Just yesterday I just about got rear ended because I noticed the ambulance coming up from a ways back and changed lanes and then began to slow down. Guy behind me quite possibly would have hit me had I not actually taken my foot off the brake pedal.

[stinky_1]

there are a few cars that I am patiently waitng to come up to 15 years for me to get my hands on. If the rules change, I wont be getting it. Sure, I guess life goes on and I will find something else to drive. But if we are going to ban the interests of individuals why dont we ban Drinking, watching Hockey, Sight seeing, and any other thing that is NOT hurting anybody simply because a couple others dont like it, or enjoy it??

I could care less how many people are on 15years, the point is to get the news out so the people who care will do something. Unfotunatly that means posting in the den of lions (beyond). I am aware that there are a large number of you who do NOT like RHD, and would rather see it go away. But since I dont know who likes them, who hates them, and who is willing to fight to keep them, I have to put it where all of you can see. That also means I have to put up with some of the comments that will be posted by the haters.

I was sure I mentioned already, and if I did not then I will say it now........ this sounds far fetched, and I do NOT see how they can legally do this so quickly without following any kind of process or procedures. BUT, it seems there are a few in a position of power who are bent on making this happen, and I would NOT put it past them to try to slip something like this under the radar.

Also, the provinces deff have the power to restrict whatever they want from their roads. They also have the power to offer exemptions. So the mail trucks and garbage trucks can still get their registration, and the every day user gets stiffed!

Help, or dont help, thats your choice. At least you now know.

Also, dont get me started about the gong show on GTRC. Its a site of clowns and twits being moderated by retards. But you didnt hear that from me!

[silviafreek89]

Originally posted by 962 kid
it will make it impossible to register a RHD car after Jan 1st, 2009.

What if you already have the car and it has been legally registered in Canada since May 07???? They can't just suddenly say "O your car is illegal now"

I can understand limiting the influx of RHD's coming off of the boats but to say every RHD is illegal and un-registerable (sp?/real word lol) as of Jan. '09 is :bullshit:

[msommers]

LOLOLOLOL at the idea Alberta bans RHD before BC does.

[silviafreek89]

Originally posted by stinky_1
dont get me started about the gong show on GTRC. Its a site of clowns and twits being moderated by retards. But you didnt hear that from me!

I didn't hear it from anyone...I just read it :rofl: :rofl:
Keep up the good work Stinky and thanks for the heads up!!!

[BlkMaxima]

Originally posted by msommers
LOLOLOLOL at the idea Alberta bans RHD before BC does.

I wish they would, these cars are molestering the car market.:banghead:

[stinky_1]

Originally posted by BlkMaxima


I wish they would, these cars are molestering the car market.:banghead:


LOL @ guys who think banning a couple hundred RHD will stop the Canadian economy from crashing, or the used car market from plummeting.


hmmmm


100 cars a month into alberta from Japan

or

1000 cars a WEEK from USA into Canada (that's 4000 per month)


You dont need to be a math major to figure out the impact of the 2. Problem is, the US imports would need a HUGE "I was imported" sticker for you to spot it. Have a look through the used car market in Calgary. How many RHD are there, and how many cars with the mileage written in "MILES" are there. Your anger is misplaced.

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by stinky_1
You dont need to be a match major

WTF is a match major ;)

[stinky_1]

sorry "math" major. :thumbsup:

As you can tell, I was NOT an english major or minor :D

[BlkMaxima]

Originally posted by stinky_1



LOL @ guys who think banning a couple hundred RHD will stop the Canadian economy from crashing, or the used car market from plummeting.


hmmmm


100 cars a month into alberta from Japan

or

1000 cars a WEEK from USA into Canada (that's 4000 per month)


You dont need to be a math major to figure out the impact of the 2. Problem is, the US imports would need a HUGE "I was imported" sticker for you to spot it. Have a look through the used car market in Calgary. How many RHD are there, and how many cars with the mileage written in "MILES" are there. Your anger is misplaced.


Yeah, but the cars coming in from the states are usually newer cars with low miles and are sold here anyways. People just save money going to the states.

The JDM cars that come over here are usually garbage. The few good ones that make it over here are cool. But for the other 97 a month that are garbage and falling apart should stay in Japan. Let them keep they're garbage over in Japan.

Also I hate JDM cars because they are so cheap. I had a 1995 240SX with what I thought was a ton of work done to it and couldn't even pull $10,000 out of it. I had arround $25,000 into it. No one wanted to pay it because they could go buy a Silvia for $6000-8000.

JDM = GARBAGE

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by stinky_1
sorry "math" major. :thumbsup:

As you can tell, I was NOT an english major or minor :D

Or any major, cause you've got a RHD which means you're still in high school :poosie:

[Destinova403]

EDIT: Forget it... its like talking to a rock. i give up.

[dimi]

Awesome!!!


Originally posted by BlkMaxima

I had a 1995 240SX with what I thought was a ton of work done to it and couldn't even pull $10,000 out of it. I had arround $25,000 into it.


I've never been able to understand how people put 25 grand into a car. What kind of upgrades end up costing $25000 on top of what the car costs?

[TE4MFaint]

Just another f'kn dumbass thread on more RHD bullshit.
Nobody cares.
ZzZzZ


Originally posted by Sorath
not gonna happen, alberta has more stuff to worry about than rhd cars rofl. if anything like that did happen, bc or ontario would be the first


The only smart post on this entire thread goes to this man right here.




Once a car is OOP'd into a province, insured, and registered, you cannot take that away by "Not being able to re-register January 1st 2009."

Its been stated in here already, but if this was in fact true, you wouldn't be able to re-register right now, for your RHD vehicle would still be on the streets until July 2009.

There are Evo's in Canada which got in and continue to keep being registered. As well as MR-2S', and another handful of vehicles that are not allowed in Canada because of failing our crash tests.


Once again, just another f'kn stupid RHD bitch thread.
If anything, the fad is no longer driving RHD, its making threads
complaining about them and constant rumors of them being "banned".

/fail

[BlkMaxima]

Originally posted by dimi
Awesome!!!



I've never been able to understand how people put 25 grand into a car. What kind of upgrades end up costing $25000 on top of what the car costs?

Sorry I meant including the cars cost.

I kept upgrading to try and go faster. I was the biggest waste of money I have ever had.

[RATM]

Originally posted by BlkMaxima


Sorry I meant including the cars cost.

I kept upgrading to try and go faster. I was the biggest waste of money I have ever had.

oh well, we all learn lessons.

[Inzane]

Originally posted by dimi
I've never been able to understand how people put 25 grand into a car. What kind of upgrades end up costing $25000 on top of what the car costs?

Are you for real? :dunno:

I've easily put that much into my Z over the years, but mind you I've owned mine for 10 years. This was gradual spending spread out over a long time.

It doesn't take long to add up:
- back in 2003 when I got my 18" wheel & tire pkg that was around $5000 CDN. (the wheels were about ~$2000 USD, tires another $1000-1500 USD, then exchange, etc.). Today our dollar exch is much better obviously but a decent wheel & tire pkg with good brands will still cost >$3500+ cdn.
- ~$4000 custom stereo & alarm install (that was a while ago, could probably do it cheaper now).
- bolt-on power mods ~$5000.
- Suspension ~$2000-3000.
- Big brakes ~$2000.
- then there's the other misc. stuff: cosmetic changes, interior & exterior, nuts & bolts.
and so on.

It really doesn't take much to get into the 5-digits, especially when you start adding up all the little stuff.

I haven't even touched my turbos & internals yet. :nut:

If you actually added up the receipts for most of the project cars around here, doesn't matter what it is: MR-2, Supra, Z, 240SX, Civic, etc. you would probably be quite shocked.

Ask Rage what he put into his 944.... or ZFan what he put in his Z. They probably don't want to know (if they haven't ever attempted adding it up). Heck I don't think I want to know, and those weren't even my cars.

[honda4LIFE]

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah BLAH!

:whocares:

[silviafreek89]

Originally posted by Eleanor


cause you've got a RHD which means you're still in high school :poosie:

Actually he is married with a couple kids....
and I finished high school in 03....not ALL stereotypes are true!

The post about the new trend being about writing bitchy RHD hate threads is true. You don't like them??? Don't buy them and stfu, simple as that.

As for this 'ban' bullshit, as long as the car in question is already here and registered it should be fine...I think:dunno:

[Jay911]

Originally posted by TE4MFaint
The only smart post on this entire thread goes to this man right here.

Guess my post was missed...

Provinces do not have the ability to "ban" cars. Transport Canada is the only agency with the authority to do this.

Right hand drive vehicles involve MUCH more than just 17 year olds in Skylines and Silvias. There are probably more Australian, British, and other machines on the road than the handful of kids who think it's "tyte" to have an "OMG JDMZ" beater car. Not to mention the professional/commercial equipment like garbage trucks and postal delivery vehicles.

Do not think for a minute that this is going to happen. There might be something underway to get rid of/lessen the number of cheap, poorly modded cars with questionable roadworthiness on the road, but it's not going to be to ban all cars of a certain type or flavor.

Like I said earlier, it's about as likely as Alberta banning people from a certain province or country from entering the province. Ain't gonna happen.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Why do people start threads trying to post a fact when it's not fact and just a rumor.

[Grogador]

Are LHDs able to register past Jan 1st 09 or whatever? Maybe it's just when the new plates come out... BTW this thread is dumb.

[TE4MFaint]

Originally posted by Jay911


Guess my post was missed...


My appologies =) I re-read over everything, and your post was very informative. Youre one of the select beyonders who actually have common sense haha.


Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2
Why do people start threads trying to post a fact when it's not fact and just a rumor.


Im gonna say.. 08's 08's! Haha I kid.

I guess the grapevine is something excited to some people
:dunno:

[stinky_1]

Originally posted by stinky_1
If you have ANY information that you think could be usefull to figure out how legit this claim is .......[/B]

I realize that if you skim over this thread it would be easy to be swayed by the hater posts. But my line above should help you realize that we think there is a bit of BS to this story as well. So, I will repeat myself again

If anyone has had problems registering their vehicle past January 1st, or has been told one thing or another about this, then please let me know here, or post on the thread linked at the begining.

I dont think I need to comment on the hater posts, its obvious you dont like them, and you have your reasons. Valid or not, it wont change your mind, and you wont change mine. So I would hope we can leave it at that.

The comments about me being in high school can be dropped or not. I am a little "too old" to worry about that kind of childish name calling :poosie:

[inline6turbo]

I just registered my 7 until December 2010 :poosie:

Just in case :rolleyes:



Dumb thread!
:drama:

[Hakkola]

Originally posted by silviafreek89


and I finished high school in 03....not ALL stereotypes are true!



No, but they're all funny. :rofl:

I think the saddest thing is that this thread is 3 pages long, I was ready to swear at people once there were 3 posts in this thread, but I left it alone, now I look and it is at 3 fucking pages? :banghead:

[bart]

this made my day hahaha

[kvanderlaag]

omg i just sent you this e-mail because i herd they were gonna shut down hotmail. sign this petition cuz if we can get 1billion signaturez they hav 2 keep it owpen!!!!111one11!

[stinky_1]

Originally posted by kvanderlaag
omg i just sent you this e-mail because i herd they were gonna shut down hotmail. sign this petition cuz if we can get 1billion signaturez they hav 2 keep it owpen!!!!111one11!

GOOD! I hope they shut it down forever. I already have an email account, and I paid full price for it. then Hotmail came in and my email was suddenly worth nothing at all! As soon as we get rid of Hotmail balance will be restored in the universe and all the citizens of canada can finally get on with their life. Also, maybe then my "normal" email will be worth something again and I wont have to be such a prick to everyone anymore.

Good riddance HOTMAIL!


oh snap! Once Hotmail is gone what will I be able to have a biased opinion towards? I guess there is always the stupid Domestic car owners still......
:rofl:

[88jbody]

Originally posted by kvanderlaag
omg i just sent you this e-mail because i herd they were gonna shut down hotmail. sign this petition cuz if we can get 1billion signaturez they hav 2 keep it owpen!!!!111one11!

but I got the message that they were running out of e-mail addresses :eek:


start yearly safety inspections and get the cars that are unsafe off the road and leave the ones that are.

alot of provinces have inspections every year.

[stinky_1]

Originally posted by 88jbody


start yearly safety inspections and get the cars that are unsafe off the road and leave the ones that are.

+1

I think though a LOT of people on this board and the general public would be SUPRISED to find that their 2 year old vehicle would FAIL an OOP because of a cracked windsheild, or leaky power steering rack. Something that ALL imports have to go through before they are allowed on the road, yet cars bought and sold in the province never have to deal with those hassles.

I have no worries about my RHD car doing a yearly or every other year safety inspection for registration, I bet you the people so vocal about getting these RHD off the road would oppose you every step of the way though.

[me&you]

Originally posted by stinky_1


+1

I think though a LOT of people on this board and the general public would be SUPRISED to find that their 2 year old vehicle would FAIL an OOP because of a cracked windsheild, or leaky power steering rack. Something that ALL imports have to go through before they are allowed on the road, yet cars bought and sold in the province never have to deal with those hassles.

I have no worries about my RHD car doing a yearly or every other year safety inspection for registration, I bet you the people so vocal about getting these RHD off the road would oppose you every step of the way though.

Actually, perhaps this is a fine compromise. ALL RHD imports should have a yearly inspection for the simple reason that they are ANOTHER COUTNRY'S JUNK AND NO LONGER ALLOWED ON THEIR DOMESTIC ROADS. If you're going to drive (what is literally) garbage on the streets, you must prove that your garbage is road-worthy every year.

[avishal26]

Originally posted by me&you


Actually, perhaps this is a fine compromise. ALL RHD imports should have a yearly inspection for the simple reason that they are ANOTHER COUTNRY'S JUNK AND NO LONGER ALLOWED ON THEIR DOMESTIC ROADS. If you're going to drive (what is literally) garbage on the streets, you must prove that your garbage is road-worthy every year.

If there are going to be yearly inspections.. it should be for all cars... not just RHD. And if this were to happen.. I can guarantee you that a very small percentage of cars deemed not road worthy will actually be RHD.

You don't need to get a mechanical inspection done to re-register an Alberta vehicle in Alberta... which is how we get so many unsafe cars on the road...

We all have seen some really shitty cars on the road (not RHD) that really have no business being on the road. So if you really think only RHD cars are junk and only RHD cars need to be inspected yearly.. then you were definitely not the brightest in your class.. were you?

And let me tell you something.. yearly inspection of all cars is going to create a big mess because some people just can't afford to have their cars fixed every year (especially because a cracked windshield fails your car).

IMO.. There are a lot of other issues on the roads that are probably more dangerous than these "Junk" cars (as you so righteously claim them to be) are on the road.

[stinky_1]

Originally posted by me&you


Actually, perhaps this is a fine compromise. ALL RHD imports should have a yearly inspection for the simple reason that they are ANOTHER COUTNRY'S JUNK AND NO LONGER ALLOWED ON THEIR DOMESTIC ROADS. If you're going to drive (what is literally) garbage on the streets, you must prove that your garbage is road-worthy every year.

couse your car is perfectly safe??

You clearly lack the ability to reason, and understand. So I am going to assume any argument is not going to work with you.

For the others who read this and actually can "think" (like the poster directly above this post) lets make the roads safer by employing standards that will ensure ALL the people in our province (and country) are safer. A couple RHD cars on the road are not the issue, and for every unsafe RHD car I could show you 5 unsafe north american cars. And I bet you they are NEWER than the 15 year old junk" you think we are importing.

If you are so certain your vehicle is 100% road worthy let me know. I will PAY the mechanic to perform a FULL out of province inspection on your personal "safe" ride. How much you wanna bet it fails!!!

If you have never been through an OOP process you could have no idea how all encompasing they are. This is NOT the same as a "mechanical fitness test" like insurance companies require. Most of those are sorted out with a case of beer and a signature. An OOP is harder because there are less places doing them, and they have tighter standards around WHO can do them. So your back yard joe somebody mechanics are NOT able to do them.

Not to mention that every single RHD that ever comes into this counrty MUST pass one of these inspections BEFORE they can get on the road. Which makes them SAFER than 80% of the garbage that has been in alberta the whole time you keep thinking is "safer"

[Jay911]

What would it take for you guys to realize RHD != import != OMGJDMzYO?

Some RHD vehicles are manufactured in Canada for use in Canada (or, even, exported to other countries).

If I had to guess, I'd say that the "RHD" cars that people here are calling "junk" are Japanese beaters that some kid is buying because he thinks it's über-cool to sit on the right hand side of the car. This same person will eventually do something ingenious like take a cutting torch to coil springs to lower the car's ride, completely fucking up the springs in the process and making his car (even more) inherently dangerous to be on the road.

As for whether or not my car is safe.. less the cracked windshield, my '07 WRX will pass quite cleanly.

[stinky_1]

Originally posted by Jay911

As for whether or not my car is safe.. less the cracked windshield, my '07 WRX will pass quite cleanly.


wouldn't it be great if we could all pick and choose parts of our car to ignore for a safety inspection?

Unfortunately, cracked windshield = the SAME "fail" stamp as a blown strut, worn out brakes, or bald tires. So, by the standards of the OOP process your vehicle is LESS safe than my 1993 Mark 2, which does not have a cracked windshield.

One could argue that the actual "danger" of a cracked windshield is LESS than bald tires. But the fact is, the tires on my car are not bald, the struts are not leaking, they have NOT been cut with a welding torch, the windshield is NOT cracked, and the brakes work just fine.

I would also suggest that the guy who brought in a beater japanese car still had to get it through the OOP. And after that he can do the same stupid things to it as any other car. So in this case (again) its not the CAR that is the problem, its the nutjob that thought cutting his springs was a good idea.

[badatusrnames]

Originally posted by stinky_1


for every unsafe RHD car I could show you 5 unsafe north american cars.

Literally closer to 500. Especially considering the ratio of LHD:RHD is much higher than that, contrary to whatever claims on here that Skylines are as common as Sunfires. I have a hard time seeing where this "junk" stereotype comes from. I think there are a lot of assumptions made by people who don't have any first hand experience with these cars. Also, I think there are some people that are bitter about their once rare car becoming devalued by the importing of these cars.

When I have people give my car the look through, they are all amazed at how clean it is inside and out and fit mechanically it is, especially considering it is pushing 19 years old. And this just as often comes from people who are "car" people and know what they are talking about.

When I was car shopping, I was amazed at the amount of Canadian junk there was up for sale. Anything as old as my car was: leaking fluid, burning fluid, rusty, full of scrapes and dents, had dull/peeling/cracking paint, had an interior with broken/missing pieces, ripped interior, shot suspension, transmissions going bad, needed any number of small engine repairs, idle issues, the list goes on. Not to mention they were all over 200,000km. Not many of them would pass an OOP.

Driving on the right side sucks, it can be awkward at times and you look like a goof. Anyone who likes being on the other side because it is "unique" would be better off buying a Cavalier for $2000 and painting it gay-pride rainbow colors if they wanted to be unique. If I could find a LHD model of my car for close to the same price an most importantly, in the same condition inside and out I'd snap it up in a second.

In exchange for giving up any LHD advantages, I got a car that is mint inside and out, the paint is in great shape and shines up beautifully, there is no rust underneath or on the body, the interior pristine and very clean, but most importantly, mechanically the motor idles and purrs like it is brand new and pulls great. My car passed the OOP without needing a thing. That being said, I made sure I bought a completely stock car (except for the next to brand new Toyo Proxes on it, stock rims though). Anyone who is dumb enough to buy anything that has been modified deserves mechanical issues.

Junk? Sure, relatively speaking I guess, if you compare it to a car brand new from the factory. But compare an "average" JDM car to an average 15+ year Canadian car picked randomly off the street and the JDM will almost always be in better shape.

[canadianskyline]

Originally posted by stinky_1
Also, dont get me started about the gong show on GTRC. Its a site of clowns and twits being moderated by retards. But you didnt hear that from me!

That's just cause you're a retard and got banned.

GTRC has 10x the maturity of this forum.

You're just a dumbass and pick fights with mods after u try and sell things commercially without being a sponsor and pick fights about your shitty ecu's.

[stinky_1]

if that was a statement from a credible source I would be hurt.

If you want to start another thread about how great GTRC is then no one is stopping you.

This is my thread for people to bash RHD and how Ghey all the owners are. But you already know that, being a rhd owner and all.

[badatusrnames]

Originally posted by canadianskyline


That's just cause you're a retard and got banned.

GTRC has 10x the maturity of this forum.

You're just a dumbass and pick fights with mods after u try and sell things commercially without being a sponsor and pick fights about your shitty ecu's.



Originally posted by stinky_1
if that was a statement from a credible source I would be hurt.

If you want to start another thread about how great GTRC is then no one is stopping you.

This is my thread for people to bash RHD and how Ghey all the owners are. But you already know that, being a rhd owner and all.

Timeout children.

[Jay911]

Originally posted by stinky_1
So, by the standards of the OOP process your vehicle is LESS safe than my 1993 Mark 2, which does not have a cracked windshield.

The unfortunate fact that scuttles your whole argument is that the "OOP process" doesn't matter one bit ultimately. It's an inspection to make sure that cars which did not originate here, and thus did not have to meet IIHS/NHTSA (and Canadian counterpart) standards, are actually fit to drive. My car has already met and passed said standards and is one of the safest vehicles on the road - with or without a windshield, cracked or not. I base that not only on studies and materials provided by the government, but real-world evidence and experience dealing with crashes and injuries witnessed on a daily basis as part of my job. The fact of the matter is that while you may pamper your car and give it service twice as often as it needs it, and ensure that it is in tip-top shape all the time, most people who own cars such as the ones this entire thread refers to do idiot things like cutting springs as I mentioned, putting on wrong-sized tires or unapproved wheel spacers or 90% opacity tint or giant fiberglass pieces that take the place of mandatory 5mph bumpers. It's those people that any restrictions put on "RHD" (read: import) cars are meant to address.

Seeing what I see on the road and what gets in crashes, I too agree that regular inspection of ALL vehicles should happen. Just like I think regular testing of all drivers should take place too. Having said that, though, don't declare that just because my car didn't go through the OOP inspection process in the same fashion as yours did (mine would have had similar when being certified for sale in this country by Transport Canada), doesn't make mine less safe than yours, or yours safer than mine.

[canadianskyline]

Originally posted by stinky_1
if that was a statement from a credible source I would be hurt.

If you want to start another thread about how great GTRC is then no one is stopping you.

This is my thread for people to bash RHD and how Ghey all the owners are. But you already know that, being a rhd owner and all.

Not saying it's that great. Just that one would expect you of all people to hold a grudge against that site. :rofl:

[badatusrnames]

Originally posted by Jay911

Seeing what I see on the road and what gets in crashes, I too agree that regular inspection of ALL vehicles should happen. Just like I think regular testing of all drivers should take place too.

Couldn't agree more. There should be a vehicle inspection at least every three years and re-testing at least every five in my opinion.

I really can't believe that the government can just let vehicles age and potentially deteriorate without ever testing their road worthiness.

[stinky_1]

also for the record, the OOP inspections is ALSO for canadian vehicles to be inspected for safety before being registered in a different province.

So, if you moved to BC, your car would FAIL the inspection as "UNSAFE" even though its only 1 year old because of the cracked windsheild. It was NOT designed ONLy for out of coutnry cars. or it would be called an "Out of Country Inspection".


Agreed, I certainly would have a reason to be upset about GTRC. My feelings towards it had not changed much from when I was actually a full time member there as well.

[me&you]

Originally posted by stinky_1


couse your car is perfectly safe??

You clearly lack the ability to reason, and understand. So I am going to assume any argument is not going to work with you.

For the others who read this and actually can "think" (like the poster directly above this post) lets make the roads safer by employing standards that will ensure ALL the people in our province (and country) are safer. A couple RHD cars on the road are not the issue, and for every unsafe RHD car I could show you 5 unsafe north american cars. And I bet you they are NEWER than the 15 year old junk" you think we are importing.

If you are so certain your vehicle is 100% road worthy let me know. I will PAY the mechanic to perform a FULL out of province inspection on your personal "safe" ride. How much you wanna bet it fails!!!

If you have never been through an OOP process you could have no idea how all encompasing they are. This is NOT the same as a "mechanical fitness test" like insurance companies require. Most of those are sorted out with a case of beer and a signature. An OOP is harder because there are less places doing them, and they have tighter standards around WHO can do them. So your back yard joe somebody mechanics are NOT able to do them.

Not to mention that every single RHD that ever comes into this counrty MUST pass one of these inspections BEFORE they can get on the road. Which makes them SAFER than 80% of the garbage that has been in alberta the whole time you keep thinking is "safer"

My car is perfectly safe, I can assure you.

By definition, the RHD JDM cars are FIFTEEN YEARS OLD, so it stands to reason that they would be more likely to have age-related defects. They are also another country's GARBAGE. You can also logically conclude that in the last few years of these RHD vehicles being road-legal in Japan, maintance would be less of a priority. Who's is going to put money into a 14 year old car, that isn't worth much, when they know they won't be driving it for much longer?

Besides that, OOPs are a joke and everyone here knows it. All you need to do is check the weekly threads in this forum looking for shady inspections.

Easily passed OOPs + OLD CARS + Deferred Maintenance = questionable road worthiness.

[badatusrnames]

Originally posted by me&you


My car is perfectly safe, I can assure you.

By definition, the RHD JDM cars are FIFTEEN YEARS OLD, so it stands to reason that they would be more likely to have age-related defects. They are also another country's GARBAGE. You can also logically conclude that in the last few years of these RHD vehicles being road-legal in Japan, maintance would be less of a priority. Who's is going to put money into a 14 year old car, that isn't worth much, when they know they won't be driving it for much longer?

Besides that, OOPs are a joke and everyone here knows it. All you need to do is check the weekly threads in this forum looking for shady inspections.

Easily passed OOPs + OLD CARS + Deferred Maintenance = questionable road worthiness.

Your whole post is just full of ignorance. Cars are taken care of and treated differently over there. They don't get driven into the ground like here in Canada.

Here cars are driven and circulated on the used market until they have racked up too many kilometres and wear to be road worthy and are discarded. In Japan, that doesn't happen. People there like new - it's a cultural thing - and the used market is so much weaker there, you don't see cars circulating through five or six different owners like you do here. You have perfectly fine cars that have passed shaken that no one will take, simply due to cultural reasons, not because of anything wrong with the car itself.

I have a friend with a Japanese wife that comes from a family of car fanatics (her father works for Toyota) and she basically confirmed everything that is said about many of these cars being driven little, kept in pristine condition and stored inside. People there take great pride in their vehicles and their driving. Here we see driving as something we must do for utility, to get to work, school, etc. There it is seen as more of a leisure.

[stinky_1]

your car is NOT perfectly safe, the drivers view is obstructed by a crack in the windshield. By that logic I could drive around with one eye closed, or a blindfold over the lower half of my vision.

You seem to "reason" a lot with no first hand knowledge of these vehicles or their situation.

MANY of them are bought with valid Shaken on them. If you dont know what Shaken is think of it as an OOP inspection on sterioids. Canadians can not even comprehend how strict these inspections are.

This is the reason MANY of these vehicles are passing an OOP here with no problem.


Second, a car with 60,000 km on it has ONLY 60,000km on it. The problems with cars that have LOW km but are very old would be

Dried up engine seals, and flat spots on your tires. The shocks are NOT effected by age, neither are the brakes, or the body, or the interior. This is the reason why these vehicles are in such great shape physically.

Mechanical problems are easy enough to fix, and for the majority of cars that go through a legit OOP inspection these deffects are found, and ordered repaired before they will get a pass. If you know of a mechanics shop that is passing OOP's on cars that are LESS than worthy, I would love to hear about it. Because I am guessing you are taking third hand knowloedge, or jumping to conclusions.

Yes, I will admit that some cars that come in are not in the greatest shape. And a lot of these cars come in great shape, then are trashed by the owner. That is NOT the issue in question here because now we are talking about a bad owner. Which can NOT be stopped no matter where the car came from.

If you want to make any more false claims about these vehicles then come to my house, I will show you 2 exampled of RHD cars in GREAT shape, with no problems that went through a LEGIT oop process. You can drive in it, sit in it, smell it, perhaps even drive the thing. After that if you walk away with the same story, then thats your prerogative, but please stop posting lies about things you are assuming to be true passed off as fact.

[stinky_1]

Originally posted by badatusrnames

Here we see driving as something we must do for utility, to get to work, school, etc. There it is seen as more of a leisure.

IN japanese its called

Kuruma Seikatsu

And the japanese people have no idea how Canadians or Americans can live like that.

this is how a successful Japanese Business Man gets to work every day

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0fop9VW7yu1vk/610x.jpg


When was the last time you saw Donald Trump on a bike?

[avishal26]

I think you should (Stinky_1) stop arguing with 'me&you'

The guy / girl has clearly no idea what he's talking about. He/She is a wanna be BMW driver... or should I say wannabe Douchebag? :rofl:


Mr. 'me&you'... this is you ->

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u59/wolfclown1/fail.jpg

[badatusrnames]

Originally posted by stinky_1

IN japanese its called

Kuruma Seikatsu

And the japanese people have no idea how Canadians or Americans can live like that.


Yeah it was quite the shock for this girl from Nagoya to move to a city like Calgary where you are forced to be utterly dependent on your car to do anything... It's funny how, as much as they love their cars, they seem to get pleasure out of simply owning and maintaining them, not necessarily driving them a great deal.

[me&you]

Originally posted by avishal26
I think you should (Stinky_1) stop arguing with 'me&you'

The guy / girl has clearly no idea what he's talking about. He/She is a wanna be BMW driver... or should I say wannabe Douchebag? :rofl:


Mr. 'me&you'... this is you ->



You're right, you win. Your obviously superior internet and image posting skills have defeated me. I guess I'll just go back to pretending to drive the car I claim and aspiring to one day join the other douchbags.

Stinky -

You have me confused with someone else that was posting here; my windshield is not cracked.

I can appreciate your passion for these cars and I apologize for making blanket statements. But with the lenient OOP requests posted here, the cars I've seen and, yes, the stories I've been told by several mechanics, I fear the cars in the condition of yours are more of an exception than the norm. Maybe one day I'll take you up on your offer... you can show me a proper example of a JMD, I can show you my car and you can vouch for me to avishal26 that I am indeed a douchbag. ;)

[410440]

Holy keyboard warriors batman, that was better than watching 300.

[avishal26]

Originally posted by me&you


You're right, you win. Your obviously superior internet and image posting skills have defeated me. I guess I'll just go back to pretending to drive the car I claim and aspiring to one day join the other douchbags.

Stinky -

You have me confused with someone else that was posting here; my windshield is not cracked.

I can appreciate your passion for these cars and I apologize for making blanket statements. But with the lenient OOP requests posted here, the cars I've seen and, yes, the stories I've been told by several mechanics, I fear the cars in the condition of yours are more of an exception than the norm. Maybe one day I'll take you up on your offer... you can show me a proper example of a JMD, I can show you my car and you can vouch for me to avishal26 that I am indeed a douchbag. ;)

Thats exactly my point 'me&you'... except for the fact that (JDM) cars that are well taken care of are NOT more of an exception than norm. I've seen more busted civics with bumpers missing than I can count.. 90% of the JDM cars I've seen have been in really good shape. And those that have been in bad shape were the owner's fault.. not because they were junk to begin with.

My whole argument is that RHD has nothing to do with people driving around in cars that are missing parts or are unsafe... a person who wants to remove the bumper in favour of an intercooler is going to do it regardless of which side of the car he's sitting on... do you see my point?

If there are going to be mechanical inspections.. let's have that for ALL CARS .. not just JDM.

PS - You spelt douchebag wrong... its douchEbag .. not douchbag :D

[echigo_X]

Hmm the way I see it.. to think about it, if they ban rhd, they will be shutting down lots of businesses so before that rule is passed, lots of rhd enthusiast and businesses would fight the government to prevent that rule to be passed
its just like the rumors few years back that theyre gonna ban importing rhd... never happened

[kerry]

Please let this happen.

[cressida_pimpin]

:bullshit:

Major rumor. Just recently on the news, members of the Calgary Police Service were interviewed and they said that the Alberta government does not plan to change any laws relating to cars imported from Japan.

[stinky_1]

Originally posted by echigo_X
Hmm the way I see it.. to think about it, if they ban rhd, they will be shutting down lots of businesses so before that rule is passed, lots of rhd enthusiast and businesses would fight the government to prevent that rule to be passed
its just like the rumors few years back that theyre gonna ban importing rhd... never happened

echigo, A big part of the reason that the rule never changed in the past is because a large number of us banded together and lobbied the gov to NOT change it, and questioned the motives behind the proposal. TC saw that there really was not any proof to the claims and they have backed off 100%. When they did back off they turned it back over to the provinces. They said that they had every right to ban them from use on THEIR roads, but that TC would NOT be changing the import law (at this point).

This was why when we hear rumors of provinces trying to take them off the road, as far fetched as they sound we need to figure out if their is any truth to the claim.

It has been confirmed that this is NOT going to be happening. And just as we had all hoped it was more a case of a registries shop MISS reading a notice sent to them. It turns out the notice was sent in regaurds to ONE RHD vehicle, and that they would not be allowed to register it again until some conditions where met. This is similar to ALL the letters people have been getting from Ken RObinson about their RHD vehicles being unsafe.

So, sigh of releif, everything is the same as it was 1 month ago.

thanks everyone that posted, it has been an interesting conversation. You will NOT be getting any more posts like this from me. So no need to worry any more.

[rexsir]

legaly all they could is ban any more rhd from coming in

[A790]

Originally posted by avishal26


Thats exactly my point 'me&you'... except for the fact that (JDM) cars that are well taken care of are NOT more of an exception than norm. I've seen more busted civics with bumpers missing than I can count.. 90% of the JDM cars I've seen have been in really good shape. And those that have been in bad shape were the owner's fault.. not because they were junk to begin with.

My whole argument is that RHD has nothing to do with people driving around in cars that are missing parts or are unsafe... a person who wants to remove the bumper in favour of an intercooler is going to do it regardless of which side of the car he's sitting on... do you see my point?

If there are going to be mechanical inspections.. let's have that for ALL CARS .. not just JDM.

PS - You spelt douchebag wrong... its douchEbag .. not douchbag :D

You're still missing the point, and not only that, you're neglecting to mention several inherent flaws with RHD vehicles on roads designed for LHD motoring. 90% of the JDM cars you have seen have NOT been in really good condition, so don't even try to pretend that fact is remotely true.

I work with many importers on a semi-regular basis and the amount of work that they put into the cars to make them decent vehicles for sale is astounding. Not only on the mechanical side of things, but asthetically as well. That's not to say that there aren't JDM vehicles that are in fantastic condition (I was viewing a pristine JDM Pajero last night), but to say that 90% of JDM vehicles are in great shape would be the same thing as me saying that 90% of 1991 Civic's are in great shape.

It's a blind judgement, and not only that, it's untrue. Then, once you address the fact that a RHD is boarderline unsafe on LHD roads, you have a vehicle that shouldn't be driven for daily use. Occassional or track use is a perfectly good reason to own a JDM vehicle, but for daily driving? Please, that's a recipe for disaster right there.

An experienced and safe driver may cope just fine, but the target market for these vehicles (people under the age of 24) tend to drive the shit out of them. Let's get real for a second: when was the last time you saw an established, considerate, mature driving a Skyline? Right, I haven't seen one yet either. I have, however, seen dozens upon dozens of teenagers and young adults cruising in their Skylines, Silvia's, Fairlady's, Sunni GTi-R's, etc.

And don't start bashing me about how safe RHD's are for the road, because they're not. I know, I owned one for nearly a year and drove it every day. It's just too bad that you can't get a lightweight turbo-car cheaply domestically.

I hope they change the rules, it'd be a good thing for other motorists.

[Toms-SC]

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[ACX]

Originally posted by kerry
Please let this happen.


agreed for every nice one there seems to be 14 garbage scows.

I would not shed a tear to see them go away.

[2002civic]

Originally posted by ACX



agreed for every nice one there seems to be 14 garbage scows.

I would not shed a tear to see them go away.

agreed

[JBreaks]

I am not to worried about this claim...

laws are not retroactive and no court can go back in time to make the importation and subsequent registration of JDM's ilegal... maybe a ban on further importation is possible but there is no way a complete ban will occur

[benyl]

Um, law makers can make laws retroactive if they want to. Nothing is stopping them.

Like the new bumper legislation. They could have easily said that only 2008 and new cars can be imported that meet the new spec.

They can just as easily say that everyone with a RHD car has to export it or scrap it. Unlikely, but possible.

[EvolutionI]

If it drives my cars resale valuve up, please do ban JDM cars from coming over.