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gongSHOW
08-30-2003, 09:19 PM
I just got a home network, a wireless SMC 802.11g Router and I outfitted all computers not already with ethernet cables hooked in them with 802.11g wireless cards. I was installing the software and it said something about "ad hoc" mode which says you can do peer to peer communication including sending files to other wireless equipped computers. Does ne one know how to use this option, if so tell me ASAP, I really need to get this working!

Khyron
08-30-2003, 11:44 PM
If you are installing wireless, PLEASE read the directions. Or your network will get owned and you'll probably get a nice smack down (possibly fines) from your ISP.

I would assume ad-hoc mode means "just use our defaults and get up and running".

Oh in case the manual doesn't emphasize it enough - "CHANGE THE PASSWORD".

Khyron

roopi
08-31-2003, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by Khyron
you'll probably get a nice smack down (possibly fines) from your ISP.


what? why? more info please. i'm curious what you mean.

Khyron
08-31-2003, 01:37 AM
If you dont make sure it's encrypted and set up some basic firewall rules, anyone in range can use YOUR isp connection for downloading porn/mp3s 24/7 (which can consume a lot of bandwidth).

You can drive downtown and see several corporate networks from the street with your laptop.

Khyron

benyl
08-31-2003, 03:16 AM
People can use satellite dishes as homing becons and tap into your network from 10 miles away...

encrypt it, or risk someone hacking in...

Davetronz
08-31-2003, 04:32 PM
Thunks his head on the table...
Ok guys, if you dont know the answer to the question dont answer it and fuck the guy up more.

Ad-hoc is only used if you have two or more computers which will be connected only to each other. So lets say I have a server and a client and I want to connect them, then I use ad-hoc. Or if I have two gaming machines, one mine and one my room-mates, then I would use Ad-hoc if we were only playing back and forth between each other.

Using the other option will allow you to use the router as a WAP which is connected to the WAN or Internet.
Also, encrypt your network so that I wont get free internet if I go sit on your driveway with my wireless card and notebook.

Dave

gongSHOW
08-31-2003, 05:44 PM
ok, yea i've encrypted it 64 bit. so how do i set up the ad hoc cuz i wanna get some old files off my other comptuer and i don't wanna burn a cd, cuz i wanna try this

Khyron
09-01-2003, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by FastDak318
Thunks his head on the table...
Ok guys, if you dont know the answer to the question dont answer it and fuck the guy up more.

Ad-hoc is only used if you have two or more computers which will be connected only to each other. So lets say I have a server and a client and I want to connect them, then I use ad-hoc. Or if I have two gaming machines, one mine and one my room-mates, then I would use Ad-hoc if we were only playing back and forth between each other.

Using the other option will allow you to use the router as a WAP which is connected to the WAN or Internet.
Also, encrypt your network so that I wont get free internet if I go sit on your driveway with my wireless card and notebook.

Dave

Thunk your head again. Since I'm the only one who gave advice, your post is directed at me.

First of all, I told him to read directions. Wireless LAN is not a VCR that you plug in and walk away.

Secondly, how do YOU know what he's trying to do? His post explicitly says "Get peer to peer working" which implies he might just want to copy files from one computer to another. I wasn't about to summarize the manual, so see step 1. Also, where did ANYONE tell him "info that would fuck him up"? Read directions and change the bloody device password sound pretty non-fuckupable to me.

Finally, judging by you last sentence, you didn't even read the thread before spewing lame 1st year IT acronyms.

Khyron

Ashkente
09-01-2003, 02:29 AM
Originally posted by Khyron


Thunk your head again. Since I'm the only one who gave advice, your post is directed at me.

First of all, I told him to read directions. Wireless LAN is not a VCR that you plug in and walk away.

Secondly, how do YOU know what he's trying to do? His post explicitly says "Get peer to peer working" which implies he might just want to copy files from one computer to another. I wasn't about to summarize the manual, so see step 1. Also, where did ANYONE tell him "info that would fuck him up"? Read directions and change the bloody device password sound pretty non-fuckupable to me.

Khyron

Now see, if YOU read his post, you'd see FastDak318 explained that he doesn't need to use ad-hoc.

Now, assuming the network is setup like this:
(Ignore the dots, I needed them to make the picture look right..)

..................................................--> ethernet clients
Internet --> Wireless router --<
..................................................--> wireless clients

Then, all he should have to do, is use Infrastructure mode(go through the access point mode, basically) on all the wireless clients, and they should appear in your Network Neighbourhood just like a normal hardwired ethernet client.


Originally posted by Khyron

Finally, judging by you last sentence, you didn't even read the thread before spewing lame 1st year IT acronyms.

Grow up :P


Originally posted by FastDak318
Thunks his head on the table...
Ok guys, if you dont know the answer to the question dont answer it and fuck the guy up more.

Agreed :P

Melinda
09-01-2003, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by Khyron
Finally, judging by you last sentence, you didn't even read the thread before spewing lame 1st year IT acronyms.

Khyron
Careful with your words there bud, Dave may only be in his second semester at SAIT but he OWNS that program...he's been doing computer work a LONG time before he went to SAIT. I know he's good for what he says, he hooked up a wireless network in his house and when I couldn't figure mine out he came and did mine with absolutely no problems (and without reading the instructions)

Mel

Khyron
09-01-2003, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by Ashkente

Now see, if YOU read his post, you'd see FastDak318 explained that he doesn't need to use ad-hoc.

WTF - I've read his post more than once, and he explains what ad-hoc is, not why or how the original poster doesn't need to use it. Or are you reading another thread? :dunno:



Then, all he should have to do, is use Infrastructure mode(go through the access point mode, basically) on all the wireless clients, and they should appear in your Network Neighbourhood just like a normal hardwired ethernet client.

Yay, help for the orginal poster. Hope it helps.



Grow up :P


Good response!



Agreed :P

Did you even read the thread? WTF was said that would "fuck the guy up"? Can I put the question any plainer?


Originally posted by Mel
Careful with your words there bud, Dave may only be in his second semester at SAIT but he OWNS that program...he's been doing computer work a LONG time before he went to SAIT. I know he's good for what he says, he hooked up a wireless network in his house and when I couldn't figure mine out he came and did mine with absolutely no problems (and without reading the instructions)

Mel


a) I had no idea what program (if any) Dave was in. My comment was a guess based entirely on the tone and content of a few of his posts. He struck me as a first year who knows (or thinks he knows) that he is ahead of the class, and it looks like I was right. (No one in the industry would actually use the term WAN on a car forum).

b) I'm not going to get in a pissing match about who is more nerdy - it doesn't matter. I was not questioning Dave's info or his knowledge either. He probably does know his stuff. I was simply attacking his poor "ok guys, you're all fucking it up - here's how you REALLY bake cupcakes" response which was dripping with arrogance.

Plus I just like to argue every now and then. If I make someone (or myself) reconsider an attitude or a belief next time, all the better for everyone.

Khyron

Davetronz
09-01-2003, 06:45 PM
Jesus, look what I started here.
Thanks for the backs Ashkente and Mel,
And Khyron, no hard feelings or anything, lets just try to help out the person asking the question.

Ripper
09-01-2003, 08:00 PM
Maybe you guys can fight over who can give me the correct answer to this question :D

I setup my wireless system and it connects fine for about 5 minutes. Every 5 minutes or so my connection is dropped. It will connect right away again, but its annoying to be booted off every 5 minutes. Any ideas?

turboMiata
09-01-2003, 08:10 PM
You shouldn't be using Ad Hoc mode if you have a wireless access point. Select INFRASTRUCTURE.

Also make sure DHCP is turned on and your SSID on your laptop is the same SSID that's set up on the AP.

Turn WEP off for now until you can verify it works. Once things are working, enable WEP and use 128bit encryption.

Wish I could help more. I'm not too familiar with the Barricades.

Davetronz
09-01-2003, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by Ripper
Maybe you guys can fight over who can give me the correct answer to this question :D

I setup my wireless system and it connects fine for about 5 minutes. Every 5 minutes or so my connection is dropped. It will connect right away again, but its annoying to be booted off every 5 minutes. Any ideas?
Check to see what your IP refresh is set to.
Your IP might be renewing itself every 5 mins and might cause a short drop.
Either that or your router just wants to reset itself.

rage2
09-02-2003, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by FastDak318
Check to see what your IP refresh is set to.
Your IP might be renewing itself every 5 mins and might cause a short drop.
Either that or your router just wants to reset itself.
If you're talking about the "lease time", even if it's set to 5 minutes, it won't drop on you, because windows attempts to renew it's address when 50% of it's life is over (2.5 mins if your lease time is set to 5 mins) and at that time the address gets renewed for an additional 5 minutes. It's completely transparent.

As for encryption, it's important to note a few things. When you turn on encryption, make sure you only allow clients to connect if encryption is enabled (some routers allow both even if you set a key). The second thing is to change the key regularly if you have a lot of confidential information floating on the network. On a fairly busy network, it takes only a week of sniffing packets to regenerate a 128bit WEP key. For a 64bit WEP key, it takes less than an hour on a powerful laptop to crack the key, so don't even bother with 64bit.

Of course, the safest way from allowing others to steal your service, is to enable MAC address filtering. Plug in the addresses of all your wireless cards into the router, so only those cards can access it. Using both these options will ensure you're nice and secure.

And turbomiata is right, get the thing working first, before you enable the security features. One less factor to figure out why your network isn't working right.