gbyz06s viper haha.

[ekguy]

Thought this was a great plate to have. Real awesome color theme as well. First viper with this color I ever see and nicest one I think I've seen in person,

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i34/Gravy_83/cell%20phone%20pics/viper2.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i34/Gravy_83/cell%20phone%20pics/viper.jpg

[rpalm35]

Wow.

Saw that color at the car show. Looked unreal!

Awesome find.

[gpomp]

damn, that's the new 8.4L...

[colinxx235]

I saw this at canadian tire on 130th ave other day, for some reason I have yet to understand what gby on the license plate means...:dunno:

[snowboard]

gooooodbyyyyyyyyyye

[ekguy]

8.4l. thats almost not necessary...almost hahaha. Man that thing would be a nice car to own. I was quite in awe when I saw it. The color is simply amazing in real life.

[The Cosworth]

Originally posted by colinxx235
I saw this at canadian tire on 130th ave other day, for some reason I have yet to understand what gby on the license plate means...:dunno:

goodbye z06's = gbyz06s

[boxer23]

ahahah that guy's awesome...still cant compete with me:devil:

[Jlude]

is that a factory color?

8.4L.. overkill?

[pyroza]

It's the Hulk!

[boxer23]

Originally posted by Jlude
is that a factory color?

8.4L.. overkill?

2008 factory color, factory specs 600HP 8.4L V10:eek:

[Jlude]

Originally posted by boxer23


2008 factory color, factory specs 600HP 8.4L V10:eek:

Just wow...

I'd like to see that color up close.

[Grogador]

and look, he even managed to squeeze into a single parking spot! maybe your civic doesn't need two spots in the front of the superstore after all...

[Ekliptix]

Are those racing stripes factory? I like the color, but not the stripes.

[Euro_Trash]

Saw this in the south end yesterday, it was a chick driving it

[Tomaz]

He must have a small penis with that 8.4L!:D

Pretty freekin sweet though. I am still sceptical on the colour...

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by Euro_Trash
it was a chick driving it


Originally posted by Tomaz
He must have a small penis with that 8.4L!:D

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

BTW, I think this is the same colour as the one that was at the auto show, cept that one didn't have the stripes.

I'll take one in blue with white stripes please :drool: Screw the Z06 :drama:

[colinxx235]

Originally posted by Grogador
and look, he even managed to squeeze into a single parking spot! maybe your civic doesn't need two spots in the front of the superstore after all...


Don't worry, whoever drives it typically doesn't, he took up 4 spots at canadian tire (at least he was at the farthest end of the parking lot) and the color is pretty interesting in person, not as vibrant as you would think, but it still looks pretty sweet

[teg_boya]

Originally posted by Eleanor

BTW, I think this is the same colour as the one that was at the auto show, cept that one didn't have the stripes.

I'll take one in blue with white stripes please :drool: Screw the Z06 :drama:

what about the ZR-1?

[mark4091]

No replacement for displacement.

[badatusrnames]

Originally posted by mark4091
No replacement for displacement.

Technology...

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by teg_boya
what about the ZR-1?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Viper#The_new_ACR

I know the Vette is a much better performer, but I'd still own the Viper any day.

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by badatusrnames
Technology...

Even the japanese have started to learn that the "no replacement for displacement" mantra is true, why else would their engines be getting bigger & bigger?

[Toms-SC]

Originally posted by badatusrnames


Technology...

Yes, forced induction is gravity turning technology that nobody has done before.

[spikerS]

Originally posted by badatusrnames


Technology...

If that were true, all imports would be running 100cc or less engines with huge amounts of technology that make them perform at par with a Z06 or Viper and such.

tech will only get you so far.

[badatusrnames]

F1 engines are 2.4 litres and make 700+ hp - but of course, this is an extreme example. Obviously, the cheapest and easiest way to make power is by displacement...

But if fuel prices keep going the way they are, manufacturers are going to have to find a way to balance the demands of consumers for more powerful cars and their demands for fuel efficiency. Giving manufacturers more incentive to invest in technology that will allow them to get more power with less displacement.

[badatusrnames]

Originally posted by Toms-SC


Yes, forced induction is gravity turning technology that nobody has done before.

Not necessarily forced induction, there are plenty of other technologies available to raise the output of NA cars substantially, there has just been no cost incentive to do this, as bigger displacement is still a cheaper, if less elegant and less efficient solution...

[A790]

Originally posted by Eleanor


Even the japanese have started to learn that the "no replacement for displacement" mantra is true, why else would their engines be getting bigger & bigger?
Because North American's have been getting fatter and fatter... :D

[benyl]

Originally posted by Eleanor


Even the japanese have started to learn that the "no replacement for displacement" mantra is true, why else would their engines be getting bigger & bigger?

Most Japanese cars have not gone DI. Once that happens, displacement should drop again.

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by badatusrnames
But if fuel prices keep going the way they are, manufacturers are going to have to find a way to balance the demands of consumers for more powerful cars and their demands for fuel efficiency. Giving manufacturers more incentive to invest in technology that will allow them to get more power with less displacement.

INCREASED DISPLACEMENT DOES NOT EQUAL INCREASED FUEL CONSUMPTION :banghead:

How many times do we need to cover this on the forum? :nut:

[The Cosworth]

Originally posted by Eleanor


INCREASED DISPLACEMENT DOES NOT EQUAL INCREASED FUEL CONSUMPTION :banghead:

How many times do we need to cover this on the forum? :nut:

explain this to me?

2.0l engine sitting at idle and a 8.0l engine sitting at idle use the same fuel load to run?

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by The Cosworth
explain this to me?

2.0l engine sitting at idle and a 8.0l engine sitting at idle use the same fuel load to run?

There are plenty of other variables that come into play, you can't just compare idles. At idle, every car is getting 0mpg so then technically the fuel consumption is independant of everything at idle ;)

But seriously though, you can't just say the bigger engine will eat more gas, it's much more complicated then that.

EDIT: Good example of two performance oriented engines, F22C1 (2.2L, 237hp, 162lb-ft) from an S2K, and an LS7 (7.0L, 505hp, 470lb-ft) from a Z06.

EPA estimated mileage (city/highway):

Corvette Z06: 14/24
S2000: 18/25

Sources:

http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/specifications/
http://automobiles.honda.com/s2000/specifications.aspx?group=epa

So for more than double the horsepower, almost three times the torque and more than three times the displacement you save a grand total of 4mpg city & 1mpg highway. The Corvette also weighs more (3179lbs vs. 2864lbs. for the S2K). It has bigger tires, increasing rolling resistance. It also has a higher drag co-efficient.

I could go on and talk about brake mean effective pressures as well if you'd like ;)

[rage2]

Originally posted by The Cosworth
explain this to me?

2.0l engine sitting at idle and a 8.0l engine sitting at idle use the same fuel load to run?
If they both have the same amount of cylinders, yes. Of course the world revolves around how much gas we use at idle :rofl:.

Real world situations, displacement and fuel consumption are unrelated. The more HP you make and use, the more fuel you use. Frictional losses comes next in terms of fuel efficiency killer (your idle example).

[2EFNFAST]

It's a female driver. I've seen her a few times in the Shawnessy area. I keep running into her in my Viper, never my Z06 unfortunately!

[benyl]

Originally posted by Eleanor

EDIT: Good example of two performance oriented engines, F22C1 (2.2L, 237hp, 162lb-ft) from an S2K, and an LS7 (7.0L, 505hp, 470lb-ft) from a Z06.

EPA estimated mileage (city/highway):

Corvette Z06: 14/24
S2000: 18/25


Sorry, but that is a poor example. I feel like I am picking on Eleanor today... haha

We all know why the Covette gets such good mileage on the highway. Gearing. so lets compare the around town numbers.

mpg is a very bad way to compare fuel usage.

Case in point, convert the mpg values to L / 100 km.

Corvette: 16.8 L / 100 km
S2000: 13.07 L / 100 km.

Difference = 3.73 L / 100km

Now depending on perspective, the Corvette uses 28.5% more fuel per 100 kms than does the S2000. Or the S2000 uses 22.2% less fuel than the Corvette.

28.5% in my books is a lot of fuel.

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by benyl
Sorry, but that is a poor example.
It's a good example to show that you can't correlate displacement & fuel economy.


I feel like I am picking on Eleanor today... haha

Yeah geeez, bastard :D


We all know why the Covette gets such good mileage on the highway. Gearing. so lets compare the around town numbers.
Which again proves my point that you can't just correlate displacement to fuel economy, there are plenty of other factors ;)


mpg is a very bad way to compare fuel usage.
I agree, however it is a common standard used in the states and up here quite frequently. Really though, we shouldn't be talking about fuel economy, we should be talking thermodynamic efficiency.


Case in point, convert the mpg values to L / 100 km.

Corvette: 16.8 L / 100 km
S2000: 13.07 L / 100 km.

Difference = 3.73 L / 100km

Now depending on perspective, the Corvette uses 28.5% more fuel per 100 kms than does the S2000. Or the S2000 uses 22.2% less fuel than the Corvette.

28.5% in my books is a lot of fuel.
I agree with everything you said, my post was solely to point out that displacement and fuel economy can't be correlated that simply. I'm not arguing that the corvette is fuel efficient, just pointing out that you can get good fuel economy out of a larger engine.

28.5% is a lot of fuel, I agree, but when you triple displacement and only get an increase of 29%, it shows that fuel economy numbers are not so easy to calculate.

I've just seen a lot of people that think if you double engine size, you double fuel consumption, which is entirely untrue.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by The Cosworth


goodbye z06's = gbyz06s

And I can think of is Gay Boyz 06.....

[benyl]

Originally posted by Xtrema


And I can think of is Gay Boyz 06.....

Are you trying to tell us something?

[Eleanor]

:rofl: Sigged

[The Cosworth]

thanks guys that makes sense.

to me i was just thinking of volume to fill for proper combustion would be dependent on displacement of the engine. Meaning more displacement meant more fuel just to keep the engine turning.


I also used the idle example because then I could take CD, throttle, rolling resistance, etc out of the equation. But I guess your right you do have 0mpg at idle dont you. :banghead:

[Eleanor]

:cry:

[gretz]

^^^ lol - 0 hp at idle too

[Hakkola]

I thought the first 5 posts were riddled with sarcasm, reading more I figured out I was wrong.

That car, IMO, looks like shit in those pictures, sure the colour might be better in person, but those rims are horrendous.

I like Vipers, the car might be nice, but in those pictures that thing is disgusting.

[rage2]

Originally posted by The Cosworth
to me i was just thinking of volume to fill for proper combustion would be dependent on displacement of the engine.
You'd be correct in this statement, if there was no throttle body (meaning WOT all the time) haha.

[The Cosworth]

Originally posted by rage2

You'd be correct in this statement, if there was no throttle body (meaning WOT all the time) haha.

wait how do you guys drive then.

haha





Yeah I guess that makes sense hey, and some smaller engines can be less efficient than their big brothers.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by benyl


Are you trying to tell us something?

self owned :rofl:

[rage2]

Originally posted by The Cosworth
wait how do you guys drive then.

Yeah I guess that makes sense hey, and some smaller engines can be less efficient than their big brothers.
I drive WOT a lot in my M3. Before turbo, I got about 400km to a tank of gas, agressive driving. After turbo (without meth, 500hp) I get 400km to a tank of gas too. I guess I'm full throttle a lot less since it accelerates so much faster. So ya, I got tons of extra power, and no change in fuel consumption. So awesome.

On meth (700hp), I'm getting about 430km to a tank of gas. That's because the ECU dials back fuel and dials in meth, so I'm using less fuel. Only problem is I burn through a tank of meth in a little over a tank of gas :rofl:.

Moral of the story... fuel consumption is mostly dictated by weight, aerodynamics, and driving style... not engine size or turbos etc.

[jdmSiR]

I saw it today driving on crowchild, i will post pics soon

[HiSpec]

Originally posted by benyl


Most Japanese cars have not gone DI. Once that happens, displacement should drop again.

DI = Direct Injection right?
Care to explain? I don't quite get how it will make displacement drop. Thanks

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by HiSpec


DI = Direct Injection right?
Care to explain? I don't quite get how it will make displacement drop. Thanks

Yes it means direct injection.

Displacement will drop because of higher hp/L potentials. Same power with less displacement.

[arian_ma]

Haha, on the topic of S2K vs Vette, I don't exactly know about the Vette, but my car at 120 km/h is at 4000 fucking RPM in 6th gear. I'm sure the Corvette is right around the 1500 mark. So even though my engine is smaller, I am spinning it almost 3 times as much as the Vette is at the same speed, so that probably affects fuel consumption as well.

[phrozen]

HAHAHA!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Z06's kill viper's anyday.

[schocker]

Originally posted by arian_ma
Haha, on the topic of S2K vs Vette, I don't exactly know about the Vette, but my car at 120 km/h is at 4000 fucking RPM in 6th gear. I'm sure the Corvette is right around the 1500 mark. So even though my engine is smaller, I am spinning it almost 3 times as much as the Vette is at the same speed, so that probably affects fuel consumption as well.

That is why the vette has such a high highway mpg rating, the 6th gear is so long that you are running just above idle to cruise along. I get my car to run lower rpms at highway speed but nowhere as low as the corvettes

[RATM]

Originally posted by Hakkola
I thought the first 5 posts were riddled with sarcasm, reading more I figured out I was wrong.

That car, IMO, looks like shit in those pictures, sure the colour might be better in person, but those rims are horrendous.

I like Vipers, the car might be nice, but in those pictures that thing is disgusting.

x2
its haggard looking
blue and white is so much nicer, and less tacky!
look at those disgusting wheels

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by arian_ma
Haha, on the topic of S2K vs Vette, I don't exactly know about the Vette, but my car at 120 km/h is at 4000 fucking RPM in 6th gear. I'm sure the Corvette is right around the 1500 mark. So even though my engine is smaller, I am spinning it almost 3 times as much as the Vette is at the same speed, so that probably affects fuel consumption as well.

yeah I don't know why honda didn't lengthen 6th gear and make it an overdrive. Unless of course the F20 doesn't make enough power at 2000rpm to overcome drag at highway speed :poosie:

[2EFNFAST]

Gah! This is driving me crazy - I saw her yesterday in my Viper and she waved at me. Today I drove by her in the opposite direction in my Z06 .......... why oh why can't I ever meet up with her with my Z, I'm either going the opposite way or get a red light, or am in the wrong car! :whipped:

[Eleanor]

I don't think she would be interested in a D&D nerd ;)

[2EFNFAST]

Originally posted by Eleanor
I don't think she would be interested in a D&D nerd ;)

Dude, I'm a Lvl. 21 paladin with a base score of 18 charisma. I can so make that roll and score :thumbsup:

Failing that I still have my vorpal sword ..... chicks are impressed with those still, right? Vorpal sword :drool:

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by 2EFNFAST


Dude, I'm a Lvl. 21 paladin with a base score of 18 charisma. I can so make that roll and score :thumbsup:

Failing that I still have my vorpal sword ..... chicks are impressed with those still, right? Vorpal sword :drool:

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl:

[bspot]

Originally posted by HiSpec


DI = Direct Injection right?
Care to explain? I don't quite get how it will make displacement drop. Thanks

The amount of fuel delivered to the cylinder is much more accurate I believe, meaning you can run a bit leaner with less of a safety margin.

[skandalouz_08]

Haha funny thread, I saw her this morning on my way back from timmy's on 5th 6th ave. nice car.