August's "Post Your Latest Picture" Thread

[962 kid]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/michaelboulanger/cars/Drift/slide2.jpg

[Mitsu3000gt]

This is my first attempt at HDR, still getting the hang of it, just using my back yard as a subject for now lol.

http://Mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/342133526_HuiuF-XL.jpg

http://Mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/342134899_pfT7g-XL.jpg

http://Mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/342136482_jRfBD-XL.jpg

http://Mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/342138303_KzurJ-XL.jpg

[KKY]

trying out new camera, new film, new scanner

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3049/2737239751_956cc97b8b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kennethkwan/2737239751/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3134/2738075590_124cb503a6.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kennethkwan/2738075590/)

[Gibson]

What do you guys think, too much vignetting?

http://www3.telus.net/public/gibsonak/DSC_2118%203.jpg

[Dirty_SOHC]

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/R247/Osoyous2.jpg

[KKY]

Originally posted by Gibson
What do you guys think, too much vignetting?



I like it

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by KKY
trying out new camera, new film, new scanner

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3049/2737239751_956cc97b8b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kennethkwan/2737239751/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3134/2738075590_124cb503a6.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kennethkwan/2738075590/)

Nice, 6X6? TLR, maybe?

[KKY]

Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat


Nice, 6X6? TLR, maybe?

Thanks. You're correct. It's a Yashica 635 TLR.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Very nice! :D

[D'z Nutz]

Originally posted by KKY
Thanks. You're correct. It's a Yashica 635 TLR.

Nice. I was just thinking the bokeh was very characteristic of a Tessar lens too.


Originally posted by Gibson
What do you guys think, too much vignetting?

Vignetting is fine, but you went a little overboard with the sharpening.

[diamondedge]

I wonder where you stood to take that plane shot.

Here's my contribution, something I do in my spare time.

http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn453/zDiamonDEdGe_/DarkKnight2.jpg

[SprayGUN]

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/evolize/IMG_4202.jpg

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/evolize/IMG_41278.jpg

[clem24]

Crazy storm last night. Thunder and lightning lasted for well over 2-3+ hours. I've never seen a storm last that long.

http://members.shaw.ca/clemsmodels/pics/beyond/light.jpg

[Shogged]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3208/2737041321_d28bc407dc.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3225/2737021085_bf5f8e4623_b.jpg

[soupey]

http://igsta.sytes.net/beyond/pom.jpg
http://igsta.sytes.net/beyond/pom2.jpg

[EK 2.0]

that's IT...next week I am washing my whip...haha...

[soupey]

Originally posted by EK 2.0
that's IT...next week I am washing my whip...haha...

haha smile!
http://igsta.sytes.net/beyond/pom3.jpg

[1slow7]

http://users.nexopia.com/uploads/628/628926/sun2.bmp

[muse017]

http://blogfile.paran.com/BLOG_369855/200808/1218526971_2008-7¿ù%20082%20copy.jpg



http://blogfile.paran.com/BLOG_369855/200808/1218526971_2008-7¿ù%20205%20copy.jpg


http://blogfile.paran.com/BLOG_369855/200808/1218526971_2008-7¿ù%20040%20copy.jpg


Finally i've got a chance to unload some of pics from Beijing trip last July.

[Evolution17]

My trip to china
this was taken at some random restaurant in the middle of nowhere and had an amazing view

was taken with a canon p&s

http://members.shaw.ca/Evolution_terry/IMG_6687.jpg

[syeve]

Newb looking for pointers. Thanks!


The beast from the east
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Syeve/IMG_9238-1s.jpg

My neice

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Syeve/Marendonesmall.jpg

Some dog shots...

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Syeve/MongaVerticaldonesmall.jpg

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Syeve/mongaclosedonesmall.jpg

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Syeve/Guidoandmongadonesmall.jpg

[Xaroxantu Zero]

Glennifer Lake:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/zerom3/glennifer/glenniferlake_pano.jpg

[3clips3]

Hanging out....

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f61/cgp_eclipse/KelownaAugust08186-1.jpg

[gqmw]

spray gun - I like your first picture :thumbsup:

[-QA-]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n43/DocQmentary/IMGP6100.jpg

[Mitsu3000gt]

My first attempt at an HDR Pano (45 images). Still trying to get the hang of Photomatix.

http://mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/350793286_N9mFW-X3.jpg

[n1zm0]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt
My first attempt at an HDR Pano (45 images). Still trying to get the hang of Photomatix.


Are you using Photomatix Pro 3.0? I wanna try some HDR stuff with this prog so since you're an expert with it compared to me, i'll prlly be asking you some questions soon. :thumbsup:

your backyard is like buschard gardens!, is your significant other martha stewart or is that all your gardening work? :D

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by n1zm0


Are you using Photomatix Pro 3.0? I wanna try some HDR stuff with this prog so since you're an expert with it compared to me, i'll prlly be asking you some questions soon. :thumbsup:

your backyard is like buschard gardens!, is your significant other martha stewart or is that all your gardening work? :D

Yes I use 3.0. I don't believe the previous version can open NEF files from the D300. I'd be happy to try answer any questions you have.

That yard belongs to my parents so unfortunately I can't take any credit :) I would never be able to put in the amount of time it takes to up-keep that yard lol. It was in the newspaper recently though and will be featured in some garden magazine soon.

[Melinda]

Mitsu your attempts are pretty good, but why are all of your HDR photos so neon looking?

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by Melinda
Mitsu your attempts are pretty good, but why are all of your HDR photos so neon looking?

At least on my screen the first couple I posted don't look neon, but I definitely agree the panorama does look quite neon in some places, most notably the grass. I used -2, -1, 0, 1, 2 bracketing on the panorama and only 0.7 bracketing (5 images still) on the first couple, but I'm not sure that would make such a big difference. It might also have something to do with the sunlight on the grass - the first pictures were mostly in the shade, and in the panorama the grass is especially neon looking where the sun hits it. I used pretty much the same Photomatix settings for all the HDRs. Lastly, I ran the NEFs through capture NX first, then made them TIFFS before importing them into Photomatix for the pano, but for the first 2 I posted I just used the straight NEFs so they would not have had any picture control settings applied to them. Saturation and everything would have been increased by Capture NX when I saved them from NEF to TIF so maybe that also had something to do with it. Right now I'm just trying out as many things as I can to find what I like best.

Another thing I can try instead of using "tone mapping" in Photomatix, is to use "Exposure Blending" and that is going to be my next experiment as I can just use all the same files. This should have a much more natural look to it. I'll post it up when I finish it probably tonight sometime and see how it compares.

EDIT: I re-did the pano using exposure blending and the HDR version looks much better and has much more detail in the shadows. I'll try some different scenes and see what happens.

[f150mikey060]

heres a few shots from my trip in Colorado this past few days, the land out here is amazing..
forgive the quality, these were all taken by a little canon point and shoot. i think i should get myself a good full size camera soon...

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn196/mikey0601/IMG_3413.jpg
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn196/mikey0601/IMG_3449.jpg
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn196/mikey0601/IMG_3502.jpg

[Pihsiak]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/pihsnemiak/IMG_6405.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/pihsnemiak/IMG_6406.jpg

[Zephyr]

http://www.jonathanchou.com/chinesegarden.jpg

[Beanie_baby]

Originally posted by -QA-
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n43/DocQmentary/IMGP6100.jpg

WOW!!! It must have been a calm day. love it!

[Dub'd86]

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z212/Project59/pics003.jpg
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z212/Project59/pics008.jpg

[djayz]

Originally posted by -QA-
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n43/DocQmentary/IMGP6100.jpg

Nice shot, however the sky looks to be quite overexposed. Try toning it down a little and see how the picture turns out.

The sky looks great in the reflection, where was this taken? :thumbsup:

[f150mikey060]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn196/mikey0601/IMG_3542.jpg

[sportryder]

Originally posted by Dirty_SOHC
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/R247/Osoyous2.jpg

Check this out

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2100/sd531671jp2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


And this

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9403/sd531656ik0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[mboldt]

Star trail stuff looks fun, I definitely want to try it out.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/mboldt/DSC_3170copycopycopycopy.jpg

[snoop101]

Osoyoos right?


Originally posted by sportryder


Check this out

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2100/sd531671jp2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


And this

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9403/sd531656ik0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Mitsu3000gt]

Few from the other day:

http://mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/352101741_wUFct-XL.jpg

http://mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/352106162_WomF4-XL.jpg

http://mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/352107534_baFLG-XL.jpg

This one is a HDR, I liked the way it turned out:
http://mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/352133321_p9bwU-XL.jpg

[Gibson]

Originally posted by mboldt

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/mboldt/DSC_3170copycopycopycopy.jpg

You are my fucking hero.

[djayz]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt
Few from the other day:

http://mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/352101741_wUFct-XL.jpg




Which lense are you using for those shots?

[djayz]

my contribution from race city last night...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd60/djayz_album/Random%20Car%20Photos/Picture002.jpg

Ghost tails!
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd60/djayz_album/Random%20Car%20Photos/Picture005-1.jpg

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by djayz



Which lense are you using for those shots?

Every picture in my last post was taken using a Nikon AF-S 300 F4.

[mboldt]

Originally posted by Gibson


You are my fucking hero.

lol thanks.

[Thud]

Seems like mid month I come up with pictures every month, so here's a few from last night up here in Edmonton.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a313/Thudfalls/This%20week%20in%20pictures/3ecf99e6.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a313/Thudfalls/This%20week%20in%20pictures/1ab11852.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a313/Thudfalls/This%20week%20in%20pictures/ac07a7e8.jpg
:thumbsup: :nut:

[RickDaTuner]

here is one I took In Thailand there are a few more, but processing and all that other jazz just isnt for me

http://photos-e.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v311/46/13/514830432/n514830432_3874988_3411.jpg

[DJ Lazy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/JDigital/54G%20Reef%20Tank/YumaRic2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/JDigital/54G%20Reef%20Tank/YumaRic1.jpg

[KKY]

I like the graininess of this picture.


Originally posted by RickDaTuner
here is one I took In Thailand there are a few more, but processing and all that other jazz just isnt for me

http://photos-e.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v311/46/13/514830432/n514830432_3874988_3411.jpg

[KKY]

At the Bowden Sunmaze

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3087/2780698858_3fb7228233_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kennethkwan/2780698858/) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3055/2780698670_f6dfe1104e_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kennethkwan/2780698670/)

Click to enlarge.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Here are some from Globalfest China Night. Never shot fireworks before so I brought the camera with me this time.

http://mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/354555594_CNw36-L.jpg

http://mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/354563357_94euv-L.jpg

http://mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/354562273_TdwjV-L.jpg

http://mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/354571909_uCQ26-L.jpg

http://mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/354574908_hjtxz-L.jpg

http://mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/354582823_bxo9c-L.jpg

http://mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/354581288_oymvH-L.jpg

http://mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/354590606_AoBk4-L.jpg

http://mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/354607578_FPmuY-L.jpg

http://mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/354611484_pBX3j-L.jpg

http://mschlosser.smugmug.com/photos/354635825_p65Wt-L.jpg

[syeve]

^^turned out great! What setting did you use? I am going tonight.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by syeve
^^turned out great! What setting did you use? I am going tonight.

Thanks.

Here is what you do:

- Use a tripod
-Bulb shutter w/cable release if you have one. Press the button and the shutter opens, let go of the button and the shutter closes.
-Varied between ISO 100-200
-F5.6-F11
-Manually set focus to infinity on the lens (I think I used 20-30mm mostly)
-Shoot RAW (incase you badly over or underexpose you can fix it)
- You can always crop, so give yourself more room than you think because you have no idea how big every explosion will be and you don't want to cut it off. I made it so most of the fireworks filled ~3/4 of the frame so incase there was a really big blast I wouldn't miss it.
- Go to the far hill which is directly across from where they launch the fireworks and set up near the top.

Open shutter when you hear the fireworks launching, hold open until the full blast completes (or stop at whatever color you want) then close shutter. Have a look at the picture and adjust settings as necessary if way too bright or way too dark. If you want several different sets of fireworks in one picture, use ISO 100 and F11 or so as a starting point and if the fireworks aren't ultra bright, you can hold open the shutter for ~3-4sec and capture multiple blasts. You will probably want to do this during the last few minutes when they do the finalie. If you want to take some pictures of the fireworks after they have already gone off (sometimes there isn't much time between sets) just open up the aperture a bit and hold the shutter open for a little less time - I got plenty of pictures that look just fine this way. Another obvious point, but careful not to bump your tripod, with such long exposures I ruined a couple pictures this way. Lastly, if you up the contrast a bit in post processing, it gets rid of all the smoke trails and makes the sky jet black behind the fireworks.

It's pretty easy, and I find there is a lot of leeway as far as exposure goes (over/under exposed shots still look pretty good). I'm sure you will do a fine job.

[syeve]

^^perfect! I will post my shots tomorrow!

[djayz]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt
Here are some from Globalfest China Night. Never shot fireworks before so I brought the camera with me this time.


Wow awesome shots!

I won't post mine haha, somebody decided it would be a funny idea to set my iso to 1600 and I didn't notice. All my shots turned out like it was snowing. Plus I was on 17th ave and they definately did not look the same from the side.

[syeve]

Here are some from last night. I would say in general if i had turned down the shutter speed the shots would be better, but :dunno:

Shot with a 50mm f/1.8 prime...that sucker lets in so much damn light, its unreal.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Syeve/IMG_9601.jpg

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Syeve/IMG_9613.jpg

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Syeve/IMG_9639.jpg

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Syeve/IMG_9633.jpg

^^this one was shot early on in the night...picked up a lot of blue.

[Mitsu3000gt]

^^^ Looks like you did an excellent job, I especially like the second one.

[syeve]

^^thanks! Still learning, but thanks for the advice. :thumbsup:

[D'z Nutz]

http://www.derrickwoophotography.com/images/public/williamAngie_20080808-09_0445_.jpg

http://www.derrickwoophotography.com/images/public/williamAngie_20080808-09_0746_.jpg

http://www.derrickwoophotography.com/images/public/williamAngie_20080808-09_1729_.jpg

[DJ Lazy]

^^

Did Derrickphoto.com replace typicalfish.com?

[962 kid]

http://photos-837.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-snc1/v316/63/120/120605837/n120605837_33043665_1919.jpg

[EK 2.0]

Originally posted by D'z Nutz

http://www.derrickwoophotography.com/images/public/williamAngie_20080808-09_0445_.jpg






Dude cha jai wedding??...man she's lang loi...

[D'z Nutz]

Originally posted by DJ Lazy
^^

Did Derrickphoto.com replace typicalfish.com?

Nope. They're both still around and have been for a while.


Originally posted by EK 2.0
Dude cha jai wedding??

Just practicing for yours, man ;)

[flipstah]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3290/2784400055_8100dc3190.jpg

This was my latest one. It was from a field near Carsdale I believe on my way back from Seattle.

[DJ Lazy]

True Percula Clowns:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/JDigital/23G%20Nano/truepercs.jpg

Yellow Clown Goby:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/JDigital/23G%20Nano/YCG2.jpg

[-QA-]

Originally posted by djayz


Nice shot, however the sky looks to be quite overexposed. Try toning it down a little and see how the picture turns out.

The sky looks great in the reflection, where was this taken? :thumbsup:

thanks man, i just liked how it turned out over exposed...u cant see the coulds in the sky but you can in the water. It was in Kananaskis, one of the ponds, cant remember which one.

My recent trip to vancouver and the island

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n43/DocQmentary/Vancouver%20BC/BC2008108.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n43/DocQmentary/Vancouver%20BC/BC2008114.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n43/DocQmentary/Vancouver%20BC/BC2008132.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n43/DocQmentary/Vancouver%20BC/BC2008603.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n43/DocQmentary/Vancouver%20BC/BC2008732.jpg

[mb3k]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3273/2790393033_db8edfddc6_o.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3107/2790322157_a655807f1e_o.jpg

[D'z Nutz]

http://www.typicalfish.com/blog/images/banff_20080822ir_0002_.jpg

http://www.typicalfish.com/blog/images/banff_20080822ir_0003_.jpg

http://www.typicalfish.com/blog/images/banff_20080822ir_0009_.jpg

http://www.typicalfish.com/blog/images/banff_20080822ir_0010_.jpg

http://www.typicalfish.com/blog/images/banff_20080822ir_0015_.jpg

http://www.typicalfish.com/blog/images/banff_20080822ir_0017_.jpg

http://www.typicalfish.com/blog/images/banff_20080822ir_0019_.jpg

http://www.typicalfish.com/blog/images/banff_20080822ir_0025_.jpg

[abc1]

Trying out my first slr from the point and shoot cameras. I have more pictures but still am doing the size and other little things. Thanks to Berserkercatsplat for helping me choose the camera.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/9060/muchcloserhc1.th.jpg (http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=muchcloserhc1.jpg)

Also can someone explain to my why the picture look so dull when I up load it?

[Xaroxantu Zero]

From GlobalFest - Spain (read: FAIL) and finale:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/zerom3/globalfest/DSC_3019.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/zerom3/globalfest/gf_0651.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/zerom3/globalfest/gf_0755.jpg

[KKY]

Originally posted by abc1
Also can someone explain to my why the picture look so dull when I up load it?
probably because your camera is set to Adobe RGB and you didn't convert the pictures to sRGB for the web.

[mboldt]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n43/DocQmentary/Vancouver%20BC/BC2008732.jpg

Amazing :drool:

[S13_Ryan]

^^^ i wish my front lawn looked that nice:drool:

[DJ Lazy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/JDigital/23G%20Nano/PinkYuma.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/JDigital/23G%20Nano/GreenYuma.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/JDigital/23G%20Nano/YellowPinkyuma.jpg

[JTI]

A couple from an awesome wedding this weekend!

http://www.jtimages.ca/blog/photos/RV1_1231blog.jpg

http://www.jtimages.ca/blog/photos/RV2_6027.jpg

[Gibson]

My camera has 3 settings;
I a(sRGB)
II (AdobeRGB)
III a(sRGB)

Which one should I be using? The in-camera help menu states that AdobeRGB should be used on photos that will be edited, while IsRGB is for portraits and IIIasRGB is for landscape.

Oh, and a picture.

http://www3.telus.net/public/gibsonak/DSC_3281%202.jpg

[KKY]

Originally posted by Gibson
My camera has 3 settings;
I a(sRGB)
II (AdobeRGB)
III a(sRGB)

Which one should I be using? The in-camera help menu states that AdobeRGB should be used on photos that will be edited, while IsRGB is for portraits and IIIasRGB is for landscape.


Well, there is nothing wrong with using AdobeRGB. As long as you remember to convert your pictures to sRGB before uploading to the web.

I'm not familiar with the difference between Ia and IIIa. You can try both and see which one works better for you.

[ThE tV 8 mE]

use sRGB or your colours will look dull when posting to the web.

some of my recent ones:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/kelownacarlife/benlee/IMG_6024.jpg

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/kelownacarlife/benlee/IMG_6112.jpg

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/kelownacarlife/benlee/IMG_6214.jpg

http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc358/colinkrieg/Ben%20Lee/IMG_6035copy.jpg

http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc358/colinkrieg/Ben%20Lee/IMG_6076copy.jpg

http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc358/colinkrieg/Ben%20Lee/IMG_6182copy.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/913/img6980ib9.jpg

[KKY]

More sunflowers

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3118/2797977945_55c959ee9d_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kennethkwan/2797977945/)

and a car

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/2788621886_b96e23c9df_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kennethkwan/2788621886/)

> click for larger size

[clem24]

Originally posted by KKY

and a car

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/2788621886_b96e23c9df_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kennethkwan/2788621886/)

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^^^ Dude tell KY to wash your car.

Nice shot. The clouds are amazing. And HDR shot that I actually don't seem to mind.

[KKY]

Originally posted by clem24


^^^ Dude tell KY to wash your car.

I'd rather let Jordan wash my car :)

[Canadian Si]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/Caper1/IMG_0226copy.jpg

[3g4u]

From last week.
http://photos-210.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-snc1/v317/251/2/530211210/n530211210_1664458_7747.jpg
http://photos-210.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-snc1/v317/251/2/530211210/n530211210_1664460_134.jpg

Same as above but with inverted Sky. I thought it looked neat.
http://photos-210.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-snc1/v317/251/2/530211210/n530211210_1664459_9005.jpg