Newbie to cars wanting to make a fast civic on a budget [Archive] - Beyond.ca - Car Forums

Pan0phobik

08-08-2002, 09:11 PM

Hey all... i'm 17 years old and looking to get a new car soon. I was leaning toward a civic and i was wondering what kind've mods i should put on it (legal mods). Any help would be appreciated.

Ekliptix

08-08-2002, 09:28 PM

First you have to roll it to the top of a big hill, then.......

actually, civics are really fun to drive, but most honda's that are lacking dohc + vtec are not that fast to start with. Any honda can become fast with lots's of money spend on turbo/super charger, but suspension/tire upgrades will probably help you be faster on a road coarse. a Cold air intake is probably the cheapest way of getting power for not too much money.

Pan0phobik

08-08-2002, 09:31 PM

what's dohc + vtec?

Ekliptix

08-08-2002, 09:34 PM

dual over head cam + Variable Timing and Lift Electronic Control System. Here's a description: http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Technical/VTEC.htm

Pan0phobik

08-08-2002, 09:42 PM

I take it that the civics that come with dohc/vtec are very expensive? I can afford a car that costs up to 14 or 15 grand. What car would you reccommend i look for? It's not like i JUST want a civic.. any suggestions are appreciated

redline

08-08-2002, 09:46 PM

what is your budget for a car and mods?

Pan0phobik

08-08-2002, 09:49 PM

well, like i said, max i can spend on a car is like 13-14k... I Deliver pizzas for a living so in a good 2 weeks i end up with like $200. so i guess every few weeks i can save up for a part or somethin.

Ekliptix

08-08-2002, 09:51 PM

14-15g i think he said. are used SiR's that cheap? He could get a used GSR.

oooooorrr, any old civic hatch and do a b-series vtec swap.:drool:

sexualbanana

08-08-2002, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by Pan0phobik
... I Deliver pizzas for a living so in a good 2 weeks i end up with like $200. so i guess every few weeks i can save up for a part or somethin.

ur gonna need more than that to make civics fast. . . maybe that's just my civic

Ferio_vti

08-08-2002, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Ekliptix
14-15g i think he said. are used SiR's that cheap? He could get a used GSR.

oooooorrr, any old civic hatch and do a b-series vtec swap.:drool:

Hehehe, I know a 'cheap' GSR... See my post:
http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2219

Not so sure about SiR, I've seen them still going for around 23-24000.

I'd suggest a used Si. Sohc, but at least you got Vtec. Or GS/LS Tegs, DOHC but no Vtec. So I guess its one or the other...

lammer

08-08-2002, 10:18 PM

well it looks like hes from St.charles, Il..i take it as Illinios?
but whatever if he has 14-15grand its probably in US. so im thinking he could pick up an SiR or something along those lines...

Ferio_vti

08-08-2002, 10:27 PM

Oh, nevermind. You can't get SiR in the USA....
14-15G's US. Go buy yourself a GSR or Si.

Thanks Lammer

Pan0phobik

08-08-2002, 10:37 PM

GSR, Si, SiR,... i need more details than that.. i'm a newbie

lammer

08-08-2002, 11:15 PM

GSR= top of the line lets just say for the Acura Integra if im correct
im not sur eon how much HP but i know its has the highest number
and SiR only comes in Canada as Ferio mentioned.
in the states they call it Si.
Si would be the top of the line model for the Honda Civic..power features i presume and highest number of HP

jaylo

08-08-2002, 11:25 PM

1992-1993 Acura Integra GSR 160hp DOHC VTEC B17A engine
1994-up Acura Integra GSR 170hp DOHC VTEC B18C1 engine
99-00 Honda Civic SiR 160hp DOHC VTEC B16A (same engine as 94-97 delsol VTEC)
Honda Civic Si 127hp SOHC VTEC D16Z6 engine

check out vtec.net or other honda related websites

Pan0phobik

08-09-2002, 12:25 AM

Are Integra GSR's generally expensive??? like decent ones

buh_buh

08-09-2002, 01:07 AM

But also that means he's got $13k american to spend.
That's about $20k canadian.
For that price range, you could easily get a 4th gen Prelude SRV, or Civic Si (SiR in Canada), or a GSR.
But if I had that much money to spend, I would automatically rule out the Civic (no offense to Civic owners). I think the GSR or Prelude would be a very good choice in that price range. Do some research, read up on all cars, and see what appeals to you most.:thumbsup:

Dope Dealer

08-09-2002, 01:12 AM

You have a number of options with about 14k USD (21,500 CDN).

1993-1995 Mazda RX-7 baybee! :thumbsup:

DTM

08-09-2002, 01:16 AM

:devil:
Totally agree (no offensive to Civic) but they are slow compare to other Honda model. get a prelude si please.

civic_rida

08-09-2002, 01:34 AM

i like my civic sir

Pan0phobik

08-09-2002, 01:42 AM

Well... i jus learned my budget is now $10-11k... so I think I'm gonna go for a Camaro or something. The good riceburners are too expensive.. If anyone else has a solution that'd be helpful

Dope Dealer

08-09-2002, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by Pan0phobik
Well... i jus learned my budget is now $10-11k... so I think I'm gonna go for a Camaro or something. The good riceburners are too expensive.. If anyone else has a solution that'd be helpful

Ahhh, good choice! I would recommend a used Pontiac Trans-Am before a Camaro though. They are cheap, but really fast! :)

DTM

08-09-2002, 01:56 AM

Hey $10k you can buy an early civic SI, very good starter car. have the cat taken out plus a K&N. should be cool.

GTS Jeff

08-09-2002, 02:01 AM

For 10k, some thing that come to mind...MK3 Supra Turbo, 4th gen Prelude SRV, Integra GSR, hybrid CRX :bigpimp:, AWD Celica....

OMOYYC

08-09-2002, 08:50 AM

From the sounds of it, you haven't done a lot of research on the different hondas / acuras available. I'd advise you to read the reviews on sites such as http://www.edmunds.com/ and see what they have to say about each one.

As far as vehicles go, I used to own a 94 Civic Si. It was a great car, but typical mods didn't do a lot to the speed, unlike turbo cars. I had intake, header, exhaust, springs, wheels, strut bar, and mad sound.

You have to figure out your priorities. Here's where you have to re-order the list:
- Speed (Stock)
- Upgradability
- Reliability
- Handling
- Fuel efficiency
- Price
- Resell value

Other things to consider:
- Forced induction vs. NA (Naturally Aspirated or no turbo / supercharger)
- High RPM power or Low RPM torque
- 2 door / 4 door
- Coupe / hatch
- 2 seat / 4-5 seat
- Your budget

Once you have determined these points, it will help you narrow down your options.

Ferio_vti

08-09-2002, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by lammer
GSR= top of the line lets just say for the Acura Integra if im correct
im not sur eon how much HP but i know its has the highest number
and SiR only comes in Canada as Ferio mentioned.
in the states they call it Si.
Si would be the top of the line model for the Honda Civic..power features i presume and highest number of HP

GSR was the top of the line, until the TypeR was born. The sweetest 4banger ever freakin' made.

Check out http://carpoint.msn.com/homepage/default.asp and click on used cars.
You can find all that you need to know there. Even gives a general price range.

gpomp

08-09-2002, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by Ferio_vti
The sweetest 4banger ever freakin' made.

I think the F20C is better.

Ferio_vti

08-09-2002, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by gpomp

I think the F20C is better.

Hmm, touche. Okay, but not as expensive then :)

sexualbanana

08-09-2002, 12:18 PM

in terms of bang for ur buck, GSR and SiR r the best. B16's (SiR) cost about $4000 - $4500. B18C's (GS-R) run about $5600 - $6000.

I don't think there's much of a point in getting a Type-R engine (except for the novelty) because it costs $8000+.

i don't think it's worth the extra 3g's.

redline

08-09-2002, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by sexualbanana
in terms of bang for ur buck, GSR and SiR r the best. B16's (SiR) cost about $4000 - $4500. B18C's (GS-R) run about $5600 - $6000.

I don't think there's much of a point in getting a Type-R engine (except for the novelty) because it costs $8000+.

i don't think it's worth the extra 3g's.

It is totally worth it for a ITR engine. think for all the money you have to spend to get a GSR engine to the power level of a ITR engine. (all n/a power)

Manifold = $500
cams = $500
ECU upgrade = $500
Cam gears = $400
Valve spring= $400
retainers= $400
LSD = $1000
Gears = $1000
TB = $500
I/h/e = $2000
plus tuning or just buy the stock engine and drop it in! :nut: :dunno:

Redlyne_mr2

08-09-2002, 01:45 PM

buy yourself a civic or somethign simple...do a few simple mods learn some stuff about cars, learn more about engines then when your ready buy something else faster or do an engine swap and go for some real power:thumbsup:

civicgsr96

06-19-2004, 10:05 AM

1993 civic for sale if you are still looking for one.

Idratherbsidewayz

06-19-2004, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2
buy yourself a civic or somethign simple...do a few simple mods learn some stuff about cars, learn more about engines then when your ready buy something else faster or do an engine swap and go for some real power:thumbsup:

I completely agree with this, don't get a nice car as your first. You'll end up ricing it out anyways (happens to all of us). Once you get some miles under your belt, buy a faster car...