New Paintjob Tips?

[flipstah]

Hello!

I recently got a new paintjob done and it seems that the new paintjob, while done quite well, seems to be missing a few things.

It's not shiny as the original factory paint and it feels rough to the touch. It's not smooth and glossy-looking.

I'm not sure if the new paintjob just need some waxing or if they forgot to apply a clearcoat or something.

Anywhos, what are some tips for a car that just had a new paintjob? Wax it or what methods are there to make it shine?

My dad said something about a rubbing compound but he's not entirely sure.

Thanks for reading and hope to hear from you!

[Ichigo]

your dad maybe right.. maybe its some overspray on your clear that makes it rough. I'd say give your car a few days for the paint to cure up on your car and then wash it and claybar it and see if the roughness is gone. The reason I say wait a few days is because your paint is still soft to the touch and you may not want to mar it.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by Ichigo
your dad maybe right.. maybe its some overspray on your clear that makes it rough. I'd say give your car a few days for the paint to cure up on your car and then wash it and claybar it and see if the roughness is gone. The reason I say wait a few days is because your paint is still soft to the touch and you may not want to mar it.

Well before I drove off, I repeatedly asked the autobody people and he said it was fine to get it car washed. It was done during the weekend but I was only able to pick it up today.

And I had it washed. :(

Should I invest in a buffer/rubbing compound combo or just let it sit out and see what happens?

And thanks for teaching me a new word today:

Claybar: http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread/t-82963.html :thumbsup:

[sneek]

Pics would be helpful.,

[riced]

I'd be a bit weary about doing something harsh to your paint such as a polish or a clay if it wasn't baked after being painted. Typically you should wait 30-90 days depending on the type of paint they used before it fully cures.
If water gets on the paint and you leave it to dry, it'll etch your paint and it'll be a bitch to take out. I know first hand and my car is black.

Did you try gently hand washing it? It could just be some residue from the polish they use to wipe it down after they paint. Overspray is another possibility, in which you should bring it back and ask them to fix it.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by riced
I'd be a bit weary about doing something harsh to your paint such as a polish or a clay if it wasn't baked after being painted. Typically you should wait 30-90 days depending on the type of paint they used before it fully cures.
If water gets on the paint and you leave it to dry, it'll etch your paint and it'll be a bitch to take out. I know first hand and my car is black.

Did you try gently hand washing it? It could just be some residue from the polish they use to wipe it down after they paint. Overspray is another possibility, in which you should bring it back and ask them to fix it.

Aiya... I had it automated car-washed. :( I asked him multiple times if it was okay to get it washed and he gave me the thumbs up and now, I'm quite worried that I ruined it. :banghead:


Originally posted by sneek
Pics would be helpful.,

Ask and you shall receive. So basically, the front fenders, bumper and hood are the newly painted ones. Everything else is factory.

http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/999047/220/999047.jpg (http://www.picturepush.com/public/999047) (Forgot to wipe the raindrops.)

After a quick wipe...

http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/999048/220/999048.jpg (http://www.picturepush.com/public/999048)

http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/999049/220/999049.jpg (http://www.picturepush.com/public/999049)


http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/999050/220/999050.jpg (http://www.picturepush.com/public/999050)


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Out of the last three, the middle was taken from the front door. As you can see, it has the mirror-like finish, whileas the fenders have this wavy, bumpy texture going on.

http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/999051/220/999051.jpg (http://www.picturepush.com/public/999051)

http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/999052/220/999052.jpg (http://www.picturepush.com/public/999052)

http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/999053/220/999053.jpg (http://www.picturepush.com/public/999053)

Hope this helps! :)

[SpoonEK9@STRD]

I wouldnt invest in a machine buffer. You should stay away from the wash and wipe(and wax) for a few weeks. Let the paint harden before you put pressure on it.

To clear all that mess up: the orange peel, fisheyes, overspray, the long distance spray that makes it rough. You should consider going back to the body shop to wetsand and power polish, this should leave the car looking glossy and factory looking. Or use a Heavy cut polish to clean it up.

dont attempt to power polish your own paint as it takes skill not to burn and swirl the paint.

[SprayGUN]

yikes......maaco does better paint than that.....that needs a wetsand and a polish dude, do NOT touch it yourself, it'll wreck it even more

[euro_racer]

lol did you pay someome to paint it in their garage/backyard?...thats pretty bad dude

[SprayGUN]

Originally posted by euro_racer
lol did you pay someome to paint it in their garage/backyard?...thats pretty bad dude HEY.......i paint from my garage......lol.....however the only defects i have are the odd run or dust in the clear coat :(

[flipstah]

Originally posted by euro_racer
lol did you pay someome to paint it in their garage/backyard?...thats pretty bad dude

No... Actually it is from a place called AAA Auto.

[flipstah]

The rising sun revealed more...

http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/999374/220/999374.jpg (http://www.picturepush.com/public/999374)

http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/999376/220/999376.jpg (http://www.picturepush.com/public/999376)

:(

Crap. :cry:

I wonder how many coats they had to do to cover the original color (the parts used to be factory red so for a while, I had a christmas-themed Integra :rolleyes: )

Basically, will a wetsand and waxing get rid of the imperfections? My dad knows how to do the wetsanding and the waxing but I'll ask him if he's up to the task.

EDIT: Sorry about the double post.

[sneek]

...wetsanding isn't that easy. See my other thread...

[flipstah]

Okay. I just got off the phone with AAA Auto Repair (Terry, nice fellow :) ) and he said that all I have to do is to continue carwashing it and then wax right after. Something about the paint "settling."

His reason was since the original color was red and there was no color combination for green AND red, it came out thick and bumpy. He said the more washes I get for the car, the better it'll become.

Now I'm quite confused.

[sneek]

....:nut: :nut: :nut: :confused: :confused: :confused: I don't think that's how things work... I am kind of shock that he said that..

[flipstah]

:dunno:

I'm so lost. Someone help me please!

[sneek]

I don't even know where to start with what the bodyshop told you. To the best of my knowledge, you shouldn't be able to wash away any paint. Secondly, what your pictures show is orange peel, not some combination of red and green...I have never heard a shop use that one before. I personally think it was a poor paint job, with paint that didn't match. Tons of orange peel, and very little attention to detail with the finishing work. I am pretty sure that a bodyshop that repaints is supposed to sand off or atleast down the paint, and use a primer. I could be wrong but the lumps have very little to do with the colour...just a poor paint job.

[SprayGUN]

:bullshit: that guy you talked to doesn't fucking know shit.

That paint has shit in it, it's full of orange peel, it's not even shiny.

I bet you they just half ass sanded the parts, and sprayed a cheap single stage paint and not a base clear. Cause even my VERY FIRST paint job on a bumper using BC/CC turned out looking like a million bucks with only a couple mosquitos in it.

These parts cant be wetsanded and polished out. The orange peel looks like it's in the paint. Tell them to refund your cash and go somewhere else. that's fucking horrible. I paint outta my garage and can do 10x better.

[flipstah]

I'll bring it to a detailing place and see what they can do.

I would like to bring it back to AAA to get it fixed but if they did a subpar job the FIRST time, who knows what'll happen the second time? I don't want to waste my time waiting again, just to get another mediocre job.

If it's possible to get rid of it through sanding and buffing, I'll get the whole car done (there's a lot of wear and tear scratches on it so might as well :) )

EDIT: Does anyone know a good, reputable detailing place that can help me out?

[riced]

Yeah that's some bad orange peel paint job.

That's the same problem I had with United Autobody on 32nd. I had some white residue on my rear quarter panel and door and tons of overspray everywhere else so I brought it back, he wetsanded it and repainted the whole rear quarter panel within two days.
I brought it to screamin paintworks and Dave pointed out the runs that you can barely see in the light and some uneven paint. Horrible. It's barely noticeable, but damn I hate it.

Even though I didn't, I would bring it back to the shop and get him to look at it and fix it. Usually, they don't wanna mess up the second time around so you don't come back.

[sneek]

Well I might be weary of going back to a shop that says washing will improve orange peel...

[riced]

True.

But in the end, even if they don't know how to care for paint after they're done with it, they're still ultimately a bodyshop that's still open. It could simply be a mistake (though, a hard mistake to make if you do it right), and they can do it properly a second time.

I guess it's kind of a lose lose haha

[flipstah]

There are two sides in every coin.

I went to Refine Automotive Salon and met Richard. Nice fellow and he inspected the car and told me the bad news.

Basically, he told me every fault with the job, even some I didn't even see (such as hair in the paint, which left a line.)
I asked him if it's possible to get it fixed with wetsanding and power polish but he said that would actually make it worse, since the faults are in the paint. It wasn't even orange peel, they were "mountains." Some bad bodywork too and uneven paint on the hood.

One guy actually came out to look and said, "Holy F***."

Verbatim. Obviously, I was livid and he said that the only thing to do is to get it re-done. :cry:

With all of this info, I went back to AAA Auto Repair and talked to Terry. I pointed out the flaws Richard mentioned to me, to give him a chance to fess up and fix it. All he said was "cut and wax."

At one point, I mentioned about the uneven paintjob on the hood, to which he replied (verbatim,)

"That's impossible."

:bullshit:

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:banghead: I am lost for words here and I'm thinking of a possible way to get this thing fixed.

I also need my A/C recharged. The air outside was cooler.

[beyondpinoy]

Originally posted by flipstah

With all of this info, I went back to AAA Auto Repair and talked to Terry. I pointed out the flaws Richard mentioned to me, to give him a chance to fess up and fix it. All he said was "cut and wax."



he said all it needed cut and wax????? WTF... on new paint your not even suppose to wax it within a few weeks ... when i was doing repainting my celica, i asked the guy, where i bought the paint, how long do i have to wait before even thinking about touching my paint? he said wait a few weeks.. let it get dirty (because it was my daily driver), but do not wash your car or wax it, it'll mess up the paint job.... and yet AAA auto repair is telling you to both wash yoru car AND wax it?......
:thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow

they are telling you everything your NOT suppose to do... + they did a shitty job repairing your car..... thats even more :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow

[flipstah]

Update:

It's just really, REALLY bad and I called around to get junk parts (since I already know how much a GOOD paintjob costs, thought I'd canvas other options.)

I called one place, Calgary Body Shop Suplies Ltd. They told me they sell aftermarket fenders and hood (I like my OEM bumper) and matched-painted and all, it'll cost ~$250-275 per part.

Now I'm quite suspicious with the price with the recent disaster I faced, so I was wondering if anyone from Beyond has had experience with this place?

If not, what places can you recommend that would sell front fenders and a hood with matched colors?

Thanks!

[SprayGUN]

Calgary Body Shop Supplies is a bunch of guys straight from india who don't know much. I don't even buy my paint or supplies from them anymore.

DO NOT get them to paint your parts. You can order parts from them but I can suggest better stores to get from.

And why replace the panels?

Let me give you an example of what I would charge to repaint your panels, include a color sand and polish.

Bumper 200
Fenders 150 each
Hood 150

Plus your paint, which would be around 1 to 2 quarts.

I include clear coat primer sand paper, and polish.

Now my jobs are done in a garage, however you wouldn't be able to tell by looking at some of my work unless I said.

This isn't me trying to get a sale, it's just me letting you know that an entire repaint can cost alot less than the option you just spoke of above.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by SprayGUN
Calgary Body Shop Supplies is a bunch of guys straight from india who don't know much. I don't even buy my paint or supplies from them anymore.

DO NOT get them to paint your parts. You can order parts from them but I can suggest better stores to get from.

And why replace the panels?

Let me give you an example of what I would charge to repaint your panels, include a color sand and polish.

Bumper 200
Fenders 150 each
Hood 150

Plus your paint, which would be around 1 to 2 quarts.

I include clear coat primer sand paper, and polish.

Now my jobs are done in a garage, however you wouldn't be able to tell by looking at some of my work unless I said.

This isn't me trying to get a sale, it's just me letting you know that an entire repaint can cost alot less than the option you just spoke of above.

Really? :clap: I'll PM you ASAP if I'm interested.

When are you not busy?

[SprayGUN]

Like I said in PM - I will look at your paint and try to wetsand some parts of it in and see what the result is, just so that you can avoid a repaint, free of charge.

Swing by my garage next week for a couple hours and I'll take a look at the paint and see if we can fix it.

[flipstah]

PM'd good sir.

Another question: Are you going to remove the parts, then paint them? AAA didn't and the hinges are red, slits are also red and there's clearcoat on my driver's window.

:banghead:

[SprayGUN]

Originally posted by flipstah
PM'd good sir.

Another question: Are you going to remove the parts, then paint them? AAA didn't and the hinges are red, slits are also red and there's clearcoat on my driver's window.

:banghead: All parts are removed. I would like to try to keep a fender on to blend into the door paint, but we won't have to do that unless it's color is way off.