TomcoPDR... I'm calling you out!

[flipstah]

I've read on numerous posts that when someone needs a dent fixed, they should call out one TomcoPDR.

I've seen your work and no doubt, you are good at what you do.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00595.jpg

Initially, I was going to call you to get this fixed but I thought I'd canvas around and see what the competition offers before I go to the best.

After much searching, there's a new sheriff in town.

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-57964554255945_2023_7376035

Showcase's "Dent King" Dent Remover Kit

Excerpt:

You've got a few dents here and there on your car. They're not that big, but they are unsightly. You want to get rid of them, but you don't want to spend hundreds of dollars to leave your car at the body shop for a few days.

Now, you can get rid of those dents yourself and save hundreds of dollars in the process with the tool that body shop professionals use - the Dent Repair kit!

...Dent Repair comes with everything you need to remove ugly dents safely and easily. With the Dent Repair system, you can get rid of those dents fast while keeping money in your pocket.

...So, get rid of that ugly dent once and for all with the professional grade auto body kit that you can use right at home! Order Dent Repair today!

================================

At only $9.99CDNexcludes s&h, how can you pass on this opportunity! And the product has 'King' as part of its' name. It HAS to be good! :thumbsup:

So I went ahead and ordered one. Combined shipping with my Miracle Blade knife block, it came out to ~$50CDN.

25 Days Later...

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00582.jpg

Guess what was waiting at my front steps today! Oooh, DHL. Pretty quick. :thumbsup:

As I open the package, I see that it has been pre-ripped for me:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00586.jpg

Those DHL guys... Always trying to save the customer time. Much appreciated boys!

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00587.jpg

Upon 'opening,' I noticed this one bottle on the corner of the box, stated "Dent King Solution."

Oddly enough, it's empty.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00589.jpg

Probably had melamine in it. For safety reasons, they got rid of it for me.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00590.jpg

Now, this is what I get. According to the manual, I'm suppose to get:

- Pulling Bridge
- Wingnut
- Hot Glue Gun
- Dent Pulling Tabs (2)
- Glue
- Ding King Solution (Doesn't say if it's suppose to be empty or not though.)
- A 'knockdown' :dunno:
- And a 'scrapper.'

Instruction Manual:
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00592.jpg

========

Continued! Next post will be Performance!

[JRSC00LUDE]

Hmmmm. You do realize that just because it pulls the dent out it doesn't necessarily mean it does a great job of it right? ;)

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

I think it's more of a joke post. If anything, I think in the end it'll reinforce TomCo's position even more.

[flipstah]

Performance

So, waiting outside my house to let the glue gun heat is pretty sweet especially with nippy fall weather.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00596.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00597.jpg

20 minutes later, the 'glue' finally got all gooey and then I placed it on the device.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00598.jpg

Uh... This took me a while. The glue wouldn't stick to the car and had to use more than recommend. Okay, a LOT more.

For some reason, the gun stopped heating so I plugged it in the other socket and...

BAM! The gun shorted out and the cord blew up on my hand.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00599.jpg

Lousy 'Made in China' gun. I hate choo!

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00603.jpg

Only soot. No biggie. I'm a man.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG...

Pulled out my real hot glue gun with real glue and continued on.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00604.jpg

YES! It stuck! Now attempt one...

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00605.jpg

Fudge. Didn't work. No worries. Attempt 2...

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00606.jpg

Crap. Maybe if I change the angle...

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00607.jpg

Hm... Okay. So after nine attempts and many expletives later, I finally got it to show some resistance.

Twisting... POP!

SUCCESS!

Wait.

The glue won't come off.

Better pull out the 'scrapper'.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00609.jpg

RESULT

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00610.jpg

:clap:

[flipstah]

VERDICT

And so, after hours of time-consuming fun, it finally got rid of my dent. There's still a little one on the top of the curve but I like my thumb.

All in all, it does the job but you're at risk of shocks, inferior products and burns.

Despite all that, I do believe that the Dent King is a viable contender for TomcoPDR's title as 'King of Dents.'

There's many casualties along the way but it's the risk you're willing to take.

After all, it is the 'Dent King.'

I give it my thumbs up.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00603.jpg

[flipstah]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE
Hmmmm. You do realize that just because it pulls the dent out it doesn't necessarily mean it does a great job of it right?

You couldn't wait till part two...

Now the suspense is gone. :(

[bobby_lu]

What kind of glue is it that you can stick it to your car and then it comes off??:confused:

[GQBalla]

Lol this was actually pretty funny

[ZorroAMG]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE
Hmmmm. You do realize that just because it pulls the dent out it doesn't necessarily mean it does a great job of it right? ;)

Holy....holy....wait....holy FACK...YOU missed the sarcasm?????

:facepalm:



:D

[flipstah]

Originally posted by bobby_lu
What kind of glue is it that you can stick it to your car and then it comes off??:confused:

Hot glue. It doesn't really bind onto metal like superglue. It just sits on top of it. Like Elmer's glue.


Originally posted by LilDrunkenSmurf
I think it's more of a joke post. If anything, I think in the end it'll reinforce TomCo's position even more.

This is merely a joke. It's more like a public safety announcement.

You can buy the 'Dent King' and yeah, it'll get rid of the dent.

But is your skin worth $9.99 CDN*?

If you think so, order now!

http://www.shopatshowcasecanada.com/dentremover.html
*Shipping not included

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by ZorroAMG


Holy....holy....wait....holy FACK...YOU missed the sarcasm?????

:facepalm:



:D

Bastard!!! How dare you faceplam me?

[Rocky]

lol Forget Tomco, I'm calling the Dent King!

(insert Simpsons Plow King reference)

[flipstah]

Originally posted by Rocky
lol Forget Tomco, I'm calling the Dent King!

(insert Simpsons Plow King reference)

I just noticed that Showcase advertises it as 'Dent King' but the instruction manual says, Ding King.'

It's so good it has two names! :poosie:

[djayz]

I bought one of these from crappy tire many years ago. Returned it as soon as I opened the box and saw whats inside of it haha. What a joke all it is in a plunger and we all know how well that works.

:thumbsdow for anything called dent king

:thumbsup: for TomcoPDR and his many threads of flawless dent removals

[Kloubek]

I dunno - it worked. I like DIY projects.

So here's what I want to know:
Tom: In the end, he paid $50 for the kit. He paid for the hassles (would have been more if he didn't have another glue gun handy). He paid for his time and effort, and almost electrocuting himself to death with a faulty product.

Is it wrong for me to ask you publicly how much such a dent would cost to get fixed? Can I assume as well that you would fix it 100%, so you can no longer see the dent? (To me, it looks pretty obvious in the picture still - though much better than the original.)

[flipstah]

Originally posted by Kloubek
I dunno - it worked. I like DIY projects.

So here's what I want to know:
Tom: In the end, he paid $50 for the kit. He paid for the hassles (would have been more if he didn't have another glue gun handy). He paid for his time and effort, and almost electrocuting himself to death with a faulty product.

Is it wrong for me to ask you publicly how much such a dent would cost to get fixed? Can I assume as well that you would fix it 100%, so you can no longer see the dent? (To me, it looks pretty obvious in the picture still - though much better than the original.)

1.) I didn't really pay $50 for the kit. I paid $50 with combined shipping because I bought a Miracle Blade knife block set.

The price is still $9.99. I'm just unsure with the shipping.

2.) I am quite intrigued as to how much this would've cost.

[riced]

Interesting.. I'd be worried about using that hot glue on black paint and then the scraper afterwards...

[Mibz]

I fucking LOL'D at the thumbs up at the end.

[mark4091]

If you hammer certain tension points while you used the pull device you would get a better result aswell.

[Primer_Drift]

I lol'd at "Lousy 'Made in China' gun. I hate choo!"

:clap:

[Casa]

nice work actually!

[anarchy]

Originally posted by Primer_Drift
I lol'd at "Lousy 'Made in China' gun. I hate choo!"

:clap:

:werd:

:rofl:
Awesome story!

[ZorroAMG]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE


Bastard!!! How dare you faceplam me?

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j131/chrisrixon/sm/ono-1.gif
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[95teetee]

excellent writeup:clap:

[TomcoPDR]

Good post flipstah with all the photos and taking your time creating the repair, just got off work, let me finish my pizza and I'll give you some answers/constructive response. Hopefully I can do it tonight.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by TomcoPDR
Good post flipstah with all the photos and taking your time creating the repair, just got off work, let me finish my pizza and I'll give you some answers/constructive response. Hopefully I can do it tonight.

Sweet, I appreciate the advice and hope you can give your opinion regarding this matter. It seems like a deadly option to take but an alternative nonetheless. It seems that the bar did its' job so I think this was $9.99 well spent (despite the electrical setback.)

As for everybody else, glad you enjoyed my post!

Now what other penny-pinching methods can I try next?

The higher the risk, the better the result. :)

[v2kai]

best write up i've read lately with good pics, better commentary and somewhat happy ending all to boot

not so burned:thumbsup: to you

[ekguy]

bahahahah nice. Now call Tomco to get rid of that little mini dent thats left hahaha.

[TomcoPDR]

Edit: Ah fuck, too long.

- For one: Hee hee, if you kept tabs on my threads (or if you got dent earlier), you could had bought this exact product (used about 2-3 times) from me for $5 (FIVE BUCKS) vs. $50 of what you've spent.
http://forums.beyond.ca/st/169668/fs-paintless-dent-removal-kit/

That chemical that they dumped, it's there to remove the glue residue without having the scrape into the paint. :(

- Second, this method called "glue puller" or glue pulling, is used by "professionals" (sake of arguement, "professional" means people who have registered licensed business who fix dents, not that it means regulated-trade "professional")

However, the glue pullers we use are far more different than this mass produced sweat shop quality item. I know a few hacks don't like me being on Beyond like this "you bastard, telling people our secrets" :rolleyes:, but like I've said nothing you can't find through google search... ALL OF my tools, I can say upfront are purchased through specific Paintless tool companies. (not these "secretive magic tools" like the old school make you believe, old days they didn't have tools so they made their own crappy version which now should be replaced by professionally made products but those old fools still think their homemade shit is gold :rofl: ) And these pro-tools are made by people who used to fix dents themselves. (knowing what's needed)

Here are the glue pullers we use, when ours first came out, they ranged from $400-$1,000. (cheaper nowadays)

http://www.pdrtool.com/photos/527.jpg
http://www.pdrtool.com/photos/528.jpg

From company www.pdrtool.com, I use BOTH of these tools in order to do my job (pending on the damage)

- Thirdly, Using the mechanic world as an example to this thread... that's like myself looking underneath my oil pan, purchasing an oil filter, motor oil, buying just ONE (or set of 6) crescent wrench 13mm (or 1/2") wrench; take photos of my oil change and say: "Hey, I NEVER need a mechanic with this $15 Princess Auto wrench set"

- I hope you realize that once you twist the middle knob, which puts pressure on the bridge holding the 2 side cups (hence, this is called the bridge system glue puller), that the bridge puts DOWN pressure on the cups to press into the body panel... hence the attempt of pulling 1 dent, now creates TWO larger and broder dents beside them.
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/DSC00607.jpg

- Five, I should sum up... like I said, I don't even like MY REPAIRS taken in photos and making people think that's the real product... However, even though your dent shrink a bit, but it does still remain, and in person it'll be larger than it appears to me in photo.
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/DSC00610.jpg

If you put your face flat on the panel, looked at the result under all types of lighting, all angles, will you still visually see the dent. (this is the problem with our non-regulated trade, it's only a matter of opinion, on top of the damage scope to begin with)

The pure simple principles of "Paintless"... the results of the panel should look like it rolled outta the factory. (this pends on damage severity, and other factors however)

FcJ_hHtaXec



Come on man, you're talking to Thomas the dent technician here... Everybody knows I'm about the work itself... the "Tom Company" business name doesn't mean shit all to me... Tom Co isn't about plastering decals all over my vehicle, blinging rims, fancy logos... It's not what you think that I do on here, there's really no "trick" with the whole Paintless industry, it's all about the work in this day and age.

If you're serious about this (the whole battle with professional dent companies; such as "Tom Co" versus do-it-yourself kits) again, I'm way more than happy to (free of charge) demonstrate and illustrate to a live Beyond audience what I clearly see still dented on that panel; in person.

Anyways, really cool post and spending the time making it. Again, most of the old timers on Beyond realize I'm really not Tom Co the business/ grab-that-money on here, so no harm done to me. :)

Like really, it's like any chick can spread her legs and say she's "f@#king", but to really capture the arousal of an audience do require a skill and passion of a porn star.

/end story

[psi_klops]

[**]Like really, it's like any chick can spread her legs and say she's "f@#king", but to really capture the arousal of an audience do require a skill and passion of a porn star.[**]

That was gold. Adding that to my list of favorite quotes to live by!

[gqmw]

Originally posted by TomcoPDR

Like really, it's like any chick can spread her legs and say she's "f@#king", but to really capture the arousal of an audience do require a skill and passion of a porn star.

/end story

That line is money and my sig haha! Another quality post from Tomco, could really learn a lot from the instructions.

[TomcoPDR]

Originally posted by Kloubek
I dunno - it worked. I like DIY projects.

So here's what I want to know:
Tom: In the end, he paid $50 for the kit. He paid for the hassles (would have been more if he didn't have another glue gun handy). He paid for his time and effort, and almost electrocuting himself to death with a faulty product.

Is it wrong for me to ask you publicly how much such a dent would cost to get fixed? Can I assume as well that you would fix it 100%, so you can no longer see the dent? (To me, it looks pretty obvious in the picture still - though much better than the original.)

Hey Kloubek,

Well, yes, it'll be more than $50 for any Paintless shops to fix that... it's not a secret what we do... it's just different shops will have different prices (our trade just can't be standardized)... as a safety answer, yea, it'll probably be at least $100+ before any proper dent shops will touch that. (read on...)

Getting back to the whole comparing DIY kits vs. professional repairs... that's the problem with the public perception of our trade. Not making fun of OP, you do realize that dent is still there, and for a dent to show up in a photo at that angle (taken INTO the dent), it's usually pretty hard to show up... and that shows up.

If you're gonna compare "apples to apples"... we need to bring this out to a Beyond event and view the dent in real person, as to the many dealership, insurance, private customers that view professional dent work; so I'm responding not only for myself, but on behave of everyone in my industry who's spent time, training, trial and error, thousands in tools..... compared with $9.99 :dunno:

(in sum, people will just think I'm bullshitin' if we're not discussing this without looking at the OP's repair in person)

[Zero102]

LOL I bought one of those years ago when I had a dent in a nose panel I was trying to pull, but there was some metal spot welded over the curve on the other side and it was a cheap DIY job, so I chanced it with one of those.



For what it's worth, when I got mine you could get them at canadian tire, total cost was $12 for the kit, and my bottle was empty too!!

I tried 15 or 20 times on the dent, but the thick galvanized metal was just too much for it, the dent was only about 1.5" wide and 0.25" deep, but it was hopeless. The better it stuck the louder "BANG!" it made when it popped off.

On the up side, we used it to get ~50 hail dents out of my dad's bonneville! In the end he was happy and paid me the $12 for the kit.

No electrocution, explosions or other hazards, just a lack of success and random loud noises for me.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by TomcoPDR


- For one: Hee hee, if you kept tabs on my threads (or if you got dent earlier), you could had bought this exact product (used about 2-3 times) from me for $5 (FIVE BUCKS) vs. $50 of what you've spent.
http://forums.beyond.ca/st/169668/fs-paintless-dent-removal-kit/

Haha yup, saw that post but you sold yours way long ago so I couldn't snag the deal. And to reiterate, I didn't pay the Dent King for $50CDN. I was going to Showcase buying a Miracle Blade knife block and I just happen to stumble onto it.

There's no way I'd pay $50 bucks for this shoddy product. If Megan Fox came by and presented it to me, MAYBE.

And that's a BIG maybe.

Jessica Alba... :thumbsup:


Originally posted by TomcoPDR
- I hope you realize that once you twist the middle knob, which puts pressure on the bridge holding the 2 side cups (hence, this is called the bridge system glue puller), that the bridge puts DOWN pressure on the cups to press into the body panel... hence the attempt of pulling 1 dent, now creates TWO larger and broder dents beside them.
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/DSC00607.jpg



I realize that in order to pull that big dent up, the same amount of downward force is being sent to the suctions. I checked and luckily, there's no dent but I'll check it again to make sure.


Originally posted by TomcoPDR
- Five, I should sum up... like I said, I don't even like MY REPAIRS taken in photos and making people think that's the real product... However, even though your dent shrink a bit, but it does still remain, and in person it'll be larger than it appears to me in photo.
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/DSC00610.jpg

If you put your face flat on the panel, looked at the result under all types of lighting, all angles, will you still visually see the dent. (this is the problem with our non-regulated trade, it's only a matter of opinion, on top of the damage scope to begin with)

Yup, I still see a little nick on the top of the curve and I will try to do it again but just using a regular suction so that no downward force occurs.

I didn't mean for this product to be a SERIOUS replacement for your work but just as a viable option that is full of risks.


Originally posted by TomcoPDR


Like really, it's like any chick can spread her legs and say she's "f@#king", but to really capture the arousal of an audience do require a skill and passion of a porn star.

/end story

:rofl:

To further amuse you kids:

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I found the second commercial a bit condescending.

[Graham_A_M]

Originally posted by flipstah
Performance
RESULT

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/dj_flipster/Clay%20Bar/DSC00610.jpg

:clap:
Flawless victory!! You can barely tell it was dented. ;) :thumbsup:


Originally posted by flipstah

I didn't mean for this product to be a SERIOUS replacement for your work but just as a viable option that is full of risks.



I wouldn't call those "Risks" instead I'd say "Full of time and money wasters, all in all to be no further ahead"

I think Tom and mostly everybody else can proclaim how truely difficult perfect PDR really is. I can just see him cringe and shake his head over the pics
:rofl:

Hey if you're happy with that end result, good for you. I know myself and many others will be sticking to Tomco, as he really is a wizard in that industry, and frankly I dont mind paying more to have something done right, the first time, by a professional.
:dunno:

[Kloubek]

So in the end, it seems to me that these kinds of kits DO work. But the results can be marginal. I think if this was a flat panel it would probably work a bit better.

If you love your car, get it professionally done. If you're just trying to make it look "better", perhaps buy a kit....

[TomcoPDR]

Originally posted by Graham_A_M



I think Tom and mostly everybody else can proclaim how truely difficult perfect PDR really is. I can just see him cringe and shake his head over the pics
:rofl:

and frankly I dont mind paying more to have something done right, the first time, by a professional.
:dunno:



Originally posted by Kloubek
So in the end, it seems to me that these kinds of kits DO work. But the results can be marginal. I think if this was a flat panel it would probably work a bit better.

If you love your car, get it professionally done. If you're just trying to make it look "better", perhaps buy a kit....

Exactly, seeing it does seem like everyone want a serious dicussion about this topic, so I'll keep on giving my opinion/until ppl are satisfied.

The thing to realize in case I haven't mentioned, is that (don't take offense OP), but the thread is flawed in the IDEA or CONCEPT of competition and comparsion between (Tom Co Paintless SERVICE/LABOUR WORK; owned by technician Thomas himself) versus a cheaply made ONE - OUT OF MANY REQUIRED tools that is used in the industry.

For example, what would make sense would be:
- If OP was a Paintless Dent Technician him/herself, wants to make a name for themselves, prove themselves, has the EXACT SAME type of tools (again, nowadays these are professionally store bought, quality, expensive tools), same type of body damage (yes, there's an annual "Dent Olympics" hosted in Florida where PDR techs compete having same damage created on rental vehicles :rofl: see who's fastest, and work looks more flawless, etc...)... and that the OP challenges me to a duel... THAT would be a contending thread.
- Or if OP wants me (constant variable/ my skills or knowledge) to test his $9.99 infommercial 10 minute-fun gimmick tool versus my $250 (for one) and $400 (for another) "professional graded" PDR dent tool within the same concept use... and see the difference in results... THAT would be a true comparsion thread... (HENCE, even before this thread was created, I was already selling my $9.99 cheapo kit back in 2007 for FIVE BUCKS, lol... I got it for Christmas when they first came out; 2-3 payments of $19.95 and probably couple of nail clippers thrown for free too... well I dunno that part, my uncle/aunt got it for me)

I think most people know what I'm trying to say without being all about my business, which I keep repeating, I'm just ONE tech owner operated, I can only and willing to take on whatever I can handle. (and I never said anything about the OP kit quality itself, lol)



But once again, I like to overkill things... Ok, look at the photos here. It is a basement bathroom in one of my parent's rental houses that I was forced to fix, without getting paid too :( (so I didn't give a shit, lol)

Laminate got all rottened and soaked cuz toilet was leaking, tenant and I took toilet apart and the concrete floor was too low to the toilet flange.

As an "amature" (understatment) handyman, I bought a $50 on-sale Canadian Tire tile cutter, tenant and my labour (cheap/just TIME), $600 of home depot materials... and honestly NO KNOWING WHAT THE FUCK I WAS DOING, BUT JUST TO JIMMY IT UP, just to say I've fixed something "LIKE THE PROFESSIONALS DO". (I think professionally, I'm suppose to jack hammer shit-pipe then cut shorter, or raise the entire bathroom floor so shit-pipe flange and entire floor is entirely flat before toilet install...)

Instead, I just poured quick-fix filler concrete around the flange area to raise it a bit, and surrounding it has poor UNEVEN slope :rofl: ... and then did my own "proud" tile work with the tenant. :rofl:

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1934.jpg http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1935.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1940.jpg http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1944.jpg

And I would THINK a professional tile setter "doing the same thing as I just did" (saracism/understatement) would had charged $5,000+ for a minimun cost bathroom reno package.

Therefore, I mean depending on how you the reader want to interpret things, but don't think it'd make sense if I posted a thread saying "look how much I just saved compared to going to those professional tile/bathroom reno shops, just $50+ in tools and $600 in materials"

Don't get me wrong, OP does get my full credit because within our non-regulated auto cosmetic industry, it is hard to completely understand the scope of this very super narrow gimmick niche. Well, that's why I am and have spent numberous of my own free-time hours building materials support my industry into public understanding of MY VIEW, that with my business (and personally I'd like my trade towards that way), that the customers are paying us "dent-professionals" for our time, practice, experience/skills, tools, rare-ity, etc...

Ok, or what about this one last example in relation to trying to straighten out the concept within this thread (again, I'm not saying anything/comments about the product the OP bought, I used to have one, not anymore cuz I sold it cheap/would had gave it away)...

Say someone has a nympho sister who already has a boyfriend, she can get dick pretty cheaply or avaliable (cheaply meaning doesn't have to spend lots of efforts on the bf), tons of toys which pays for itself after every use... BUT, she just can't get enough, or hardly (pun intended) anything satisfies her needs/requirements/damage.

Let's just say, I was a straight male gigolo, well if that nympho sister purchase my services, she's paying not for the "cheap/avaliable" boyfriend factor of not knowing exactly how she's not getting her rocks off. But that as a professional man-whore, it'd be my responsiblity (taking her $$$) with my skills, knowledge, experience, tools to formulate a combination of process to ensure the best way to lay my dick on her. Replace the gigolo JOB, with Paintless dent tech or plumber, mechanic, framer, painter... once an honestly, proper skilled trade technician take on a job, it should be our duty to please that booty.

As least that's just me as a true technician when I take on a job... not much of a public speaking "business man" :D probably why some dealerships won't let me talk to customers directly if they want me doing some contract work under their name. :dunno:

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Originally posted by TomcoPDR





Exactly, seeing it does seem like everyone want a serious dicussion about this topic, so I'll keep on giving my opinion/until ppl are satisfied.

The thing to realize in case I haven't mentioned, is that (don't take offense OP), but the thread is flawed in the IDEA or CONCEPT of competition and comparsion between (Tom Co Paintless SERVICE/LABOUR WORK; owned by technician Thomas himself) versus a cheaply made ONE - OUT OF MANY REQUIRED tools that is used in the industry.

For example, what would make sense would be:
- If OP was a Paintless Dent Technician him/herself, wants to make a name for themselves, prove themselves, has the EXACT SAME type of tools (again, nowadays these are professionally store bought, quality, expensive tools), same type of body damage (yes, there's an annual "Dent Olympics" hosted in Florida where PDR techs compete having same damage created on rental vehicles :rofl: see who's fastest, and work looks more flawless, etc...)... and that the OP challenges me to a duel... THAT would be a contending thread.
- Or if OP wants me (constant variable/ my skills or knowledge) to test his $9.99 infommercial 10 minute-fun gimmick tool versus my $250 (for one) and $400 (for another) "professional graded" PDR dent tool within the same concept use... and see the difference in results... THAT would be a true comparsion thread... (HENCE, even before this thread was created, I was already selling my $9.99 cheapo kit back in 2007 for FIVE BUCKS, lol... I got it for Christmas when they first came out; 2-3 payments of $19.95 and probably couple of nail clippers thrown for free too... well I dunno that part, my uncle/aunt got it for me)

I think most people know what I'm trying to say without being all about my business, which I keep repeating, I'm just ONE tech owner operated, I can only and willing to take on whatever I can handle. (and I never said anything about the OP kit quality itself, lol)



But once again, I like to overkill things... Ok, look at the photos here. It is a basement bathroom in one of my parent's rental houses that I was forced to fix, without getting paid too :( (so I didn't give a shit, lol)

Laminate got all rottened and soaked cuz toilet was leaking, tenant and I took toilet apart and the concrete floor was too low to the toilet flange.

As an "amature" (understatment) handyman, I bought a $50 on-sale Canadian Tire tile cutter, tenant and my labour (cheap/just TIME), $600 of home depot materials... and honestly NO KNOWING WHAT THE FUCK I WAS DOING, BUT JUST TO JIMMY IT UP, just to say I've fixed something "LIKE THE PROFESSIONALS DO". (I think professionally, I'm suppose to jack hammer shit-pipe then cut shorter, or raise the entire bathroom floor so shit-pipe flange and entire floor is entirely flat before toilet install...)

Instead, I just poured quick-fix filler concrete around the flange area to raise it a bit, and surrounding it has poor UNEVEN slope :rofl: ... and then did my own "proud" tile work with the tenant. :rofl:

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1934.jpg http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1935.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1940.jpg http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/100_1944.jpg

And I would THINK a professional tile setter "doing the same thing as I just did" (saracism/understatement) would had charged $5,000+ for a minimun cost bathroom reno package.

Therefore, I mean depending on how you the reader want to interpret things, but don't think it'd make sense if I posted a thread saying "look how much I just saved compared to going to those professional tile/bathroom reno shops, just $50+ in tools and $600 in materials"

Don't get me wrong, OP does get my full credit because within our non-regulated auto cosmetic industry, it is hard to completely understand the scope of this very super narrow gimmick niche. Well, that's why I am and have spent numberous of my own free-time hours building materials support my industry into public understanding of MY VIEW, that with my business (and personally I'd like my trade towards that way), that the customers are paying us "dent-professionals" for our time, practice, experience/skills, tools, rare-ity, etc...

Ok, or what about this one last example in relation to trying to straighten out the concept within this thread (again, I'm not saying anything/comments about the product the OP bought, I used to have one, not anymore cuz I sold it cheap/would had gave it away)...

Say someone has a nympho sister who already has a boyfriend, she can get dick pretty cheaply or avaliable (cheaply meaning doesn't have to spend lots of efforts on the bf), tons of toys which pays for itself after every use... BUT, she just can't get enough, or hardly (pun intended) anything satisfies her needs/requirements/damage.

Let's just say, I was a straight male gigolo, well if that nympho sister purchase my services, she's paying not for the "cheap/avaliable" boyfriend factor of not knowing exactly how she's not getting her rocks off. But that as a professional man-whore, it'd be my responsiblity (taking her $$$) with my skills, knowledge, experience, tools to formulate a combination of process to ensure the best way to lay my dick on her. Replace the gigolo JOB, with Paintless dent tech or plumber, mechanic, framer, painter... once an honestly, proper skilled trade technician take on a job, it should be our duty to please that booty.

As least that's just me as a true technician when I take on a job... not much of a public speaking "business man" :D probably why some dealerships won't let me talk to customers directly if they want me doing some contract work under their name. :dunno: :rofl: :rofl: tom when do you get back in town??

[msommers]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Jesus Tom, you fuckin kill me:rofl:

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Originally posted by TomcoPDR


Exactly, seeing it does seem like everyone want a serious dicussion about this topic, so I'll keep on giving my opinion/until ppl are satisfied.

...Say someone has a nympho sister who already has a boyfriend, she can get dick pretty cheaply or avaliable (cheaply meaning doesn't have to spend lots of efforts on the bf), tons of toys which pays for itself after every use... BUT, she just can't get enough, or hardly (pun intended) anything satisfies her needs/requirements/damage.

Let's just say, I was a straight male gigolo, well if that nympho sister purchase my services, she's paying not for the "cheap/avaliable" boyfriend factor of not knowing exactly how she's not getting her rocks off. But that as a professional man-whore, it'd be my responsiblity (taking her $$$) with my skills, knowledge, experience, tools to formulate a combination of process to ensure the best way to lay my dick on her. Replace the gigolo JOB, with Paintless dent tech or plumber, mechanic, framer, painter... once an honestly, proper skilled trade technician take on a job, it should be our duty to please that booty.

As least that's just me as a true technician when I take on a job... not much of a public speaking "business man" :D probably why some dealerships won't let me talk to customers directly if they want me doing some contract work under their name. :dunno:

:rofl: Man oh man, I didn't think this would fuel such a colorful message.

I didn't mean for this product to be taken as a serious contender to your work. I know that someone of your caliber has had lots of training doing this kind of thing (after all, IT IS your job) and you've had exposure to all kinds of dents. I just realized today as well that there are limitations to the product (it can't 'lift' up the remainder anymore as it feels level by touch but not by sight; it also can't lift up narrow door dings.)

Basically, no product can replace experience. I'm pretty sure if you did the fix-up yourself using the product I bought, you would've done a better job than what I did and I totally recognize that.

Honestly when I first made the post, I never thought that kind of comparison would've been made.

Who'd have thunk it? :D