Badlands Motorsports Resort

[jayz]

This is a project that I have been working on since 2005.

We finally are getting to the stage where zoning approvals could be in place in the next 2-3 months and are now in the public domain.

http://badlandsmotorsportsresort.com/

Since our website came online earlier today, I have been inundated with emails from the motorsports community, which have been universally in favor but there have been some questions as to cost. This is discussed on the website and it is a point I want to make clear:

Our mandate and founding principle has been to make the facilities available and affordable to all income demographics. This can be achieved by multiple programs that tailor the services to each individual’s affordability. And by making it affordable to younger individuals and families, it ensures continuous growth of the sport.

The way this is possible is via alternate revenue streams, so that we would not rely solely on track rentals and gate admissions.

Please keep in mind that at this time we are only trying to sell the idea of the project to the local area residents and county and we are not at the stage where we are marketing this to the motorsports community.

Thanks

Dr. Jay Zelazo

[kevie88]

Please Please PLEAAAASSSEEE make it somewhat safe for motorcycles. :thumbsup:

I really hope this works out for you guys! :)

[endo]

This is big news today and I'm 100% with Kevie on this...bikes are my life!

I'm far passed excited for this!

[jayz]

Originally posted by kevie88
Please Please PLEAAAASSSEEE make it somewhat safe for motorcycles. :thumbsup:

I really hope this works out for you guys! :)

With regards to track safety, please read this:

http://badlandsmotorsportsresort.com/faq.php#q10


Having a safe track in the region was the reason this project began, well before there was any indication RCMP was to close.

And safety would of course pertain to all vehicle that use the venue, including bikes.

[m10-power]

6km :eek:

Build it and they will come...:D

Alan Wilson (http://www.wilsonmotorsport.com/public_html/code/experience.htm/)


:clap:

Hey Kevin, timeshare?

[DannyO]

Build it, and I'll move out there.

Where do I sign up? :D

[TomcoPDR]

Welcome on the board Jay-Z

Good luck with your business venture, sounds really great. (could be a family camp/sporting/outdoor type of thing)

[a social dsease]

This looks like an awesome venture, something I think would not only be beneficial for the Rosebud area, but all of Southern AB. Good luck in the approvals process.
On the site it mentioned the closing of Race City, what if Race City were to remain open, would this still be going ahead?

[EK 2.0]

Thank you for taking this sort of a daunting task on.


I for one, wish you nothing but the utmost of success with it.

[bituerbo]

Beyond group-buy on Rosebud properties for sale?

[Mr_ET]

Fantastic news let us know how we can help as a community going forward.:thumbsup:

[Idratherbsidewayz]

Good luck man!

This will be an unbelievable amount of work, I really hope you pull it off.

[ninefourfour]

This project sounds great! I wanted to get started with racing but when news hit of race city closing, it was going to be tough. Hopefully all goes well and you can start constructing! I'll be there for sure!

Good luck!

[ExtraSlow]

Originally posted by bituerbo
Beyond group-buy on Rosebud properties for sale?
I'll take 1/10th of this place.

[jayz]

Before you go buying properties in Rosebud, keep in mind that we will be planning trackside condos that would range from studio apartments to 3 bedroom townhomes.

Without purchasers for these units, it's unlikely the venue would be viable.

[8Ball]

:bigpimp:

[bchap]

I don't know anything about what it would take but is there a possibility of getting in with a company like RCI? Mostly so I can use points to stay there for free?:drool:

[kevie88]

Originally posted by m10-power
6km :eek:


:clap:

Hey Kevin, timeshare?


YES!! :love:

[Cueman]

serious business. Wish you guys the best Jay.

[redline]

I hope it happens best all luck... your going to need it

[4DoorGTZ]

I knew it would be just a matter of time before some kind of motorsport resort opened up around here.... I've looked into guest passes at a few of the currently operating venue's in the states, and its mostly the distance/time involved in getting there that puts me off.

Put me down for a time share condo/garage :)

Exotics in summer, rally cross in the winter :clap:

[8Ball]

update?

[HHURICANE1]

Just read in the Strathmore Standard they are going through with it. They are applying for the development permits and are doing the environmental assessments this spring.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by HHURICANE1
Just read in the Strathmore Standard they are going through with it. They are applying for the development permits and are doing the environmental assessments this spring.
Awesome thanks for the update!

[scat19]

:love:

[88jbody]

by looking at the map of the place I think there might be room to put in a 1/4 mile track as well ???

[SilverKast]

Looks promising. Here's wishing all the best to you, hopefully this works out and everyone can enjoy the facilities :D

[Sakujo]

Any Updates??

[Hakkola]

Cool, had no idea where this was, happy to find out it's not too far away from Calgary.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Yes please post updates Dr. Jay Z :D

[Sil80_D]

Originally posted by 88jbody
by looking at the map of the place I think there might be room to put in a 1/4 mile track as well ???

yeah there's those two nice straights on the north easter face of the track...


omg can't wait... !

[J@Tuner]

Looks like Badlands was brought up in the local council minutes right before christmas, hopefully more discussion resumes very soon!

You can read the reports on the county's website, looks like the noise levels are no problem as of late last year, good news!

[4DoorGTZ]

So the Badlands website is no longer there.... someone forget to renew their domain name, or is the project AWOL ???

[8Ball]

Originally posted by 4DoorGTZ
So the Badlands website is no longer there.... someone forget to renew their domain name, or is the project AWOL ???

The area plan was only submitted a few months ago?

http://www.kneehillcounty.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=300

[510-Trevor]

Originally posted by 4DoorGTZ
So the Badlands website is no longer there.... someone forget to renew their domain name, or is the project AWOL ???

The site is back up and showing a 2010 copyright but no new info that I can see.

[streethondas]

Originally posted by 510-Trevor


The site is back up and showing a 2010 copyright but no new info that I can see.
Bump 2 years later!

Copyright is now 2012? Idk if there's any plan still!
http://www.badlandsmotorsportsresort.com/

[NRGie]

Checked the site but nothing giving much info about whats going on or what phase they are in

Last update is from 2009

[triplep]

Damn, here I was all excited! And the posts are from way back, good I read all the posts.

Anyways, was looking at the site and holy crap over 2.3 mill in taxes per year! Thats insane

[kevie88]

Good lawd I'd love to see this happen.

[streethondas]

Yeah It looks like a sweet track layout! Looks like its not going to happened though..

[btimbit]

Sent them an email hoping for some sort of update

[reijo]

Just found this old thread and thought it might be time to revive it.

It's coming soon!

Regular memberships etc. for sale by March 2/18! Look for their Badlands web page for updates prior to March 2.

https://badlandsmotorsportsresort.com/comingsoon/

[Maxt]

Just curios of how many beyonders went to last nights presentation, or are going to the next one? Did you buy in ? What do you think of the overall presentation. Do you think the vision and design is enough or too much for Albertas lowered economy? The idea of a resort out there having year round value in our climate, I dunno....

[rage2]

I think the pricing is very reasonable. I'll probably pick up a bronze membership in a couple of years once the kids are old enough and I can leave them alone more.

Funny how long this project took. When it was first announced, I had my chequebook ready. Now, I don't even have a track worthy car and 3 kids to feed. :rofl:

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

I went and was fairly impressed. My dad bought a membership and I likely will be buying one too.

[yipb]

How much is the membership?

[speedog]

How much is the membership?

Apparently somewhere between baller level Twin_Cam_Turbo and baller level rage2 - judge yourself accordingly.

[ExtraSlow]

Apparently somewhere between baller level Twin_Cam_Turbo and baller level rage2 - judge yourself accordingly.

That's eleventy levels above the baller level ExtraSlow

[94boosted]

Seems like a great deal, I put down a deposit

[ercchry]

$12k to $100k and annual dues from $1250-$8500... 20 track days annually to unlimited. Financing cost starting at $250/month

[JZatBMR]

To answer the question above:

We didn't get into the details of the resort aspect at the presentation, because the focus was in memberships.

Since 2015, we have had tremendous support from the Province, Alberta Tourism, Alberta Economic development, and the Canadian Badlands organization because they really want a resort in the Badlands. There is no resort in the whole region, and there is a govt push to bring tourists there for more than day trips, including the international Asian tourist market. The location lends itself to a resort because of the location. We are already in discussion with three hotel brands about a potential joint venture for building a hotel out there as soon as the road and infrastructure is built.

We also didn't discuss the residential aspects because that is something that is likely 5-7 years out, which we would hope there is a better economy by then.

We also didn't go into great depth on the winter programs, but most of the revenue comes from turning the valley track into a snowmobile park by covering it with snow with snow making equipment. And then lapping days on the top course at a cheap rate with an indoor paddock so you don't have to get out of your car all day. It's done at Miller/Utah Campus in salt lake and has been quite successful, so much so that they are now having winter time attack event. It's mostly and EVO/STI thing, though.

[JustinL]

I couldn't make the meeting, but definitely interested in membership details and project details. Keep us posted with updates.

[Xtrema]

$12k to $100k and annual dues from $1250-$8500... 20 track days annually to unlimited. Financing cost starting at $250/month

So I can have all 20 tracks days between May and Aug? That's almost 1 a week.......

[962 kid]

So I can have all 20 tracks days between May and Aug? That's almost 1 a week.......

Not quite. You get a certain number of days per season.

[JZatBMR]

So I can have all 20 tracks days between May and Aug? That's almost 1 a week.......

Technically with a $12500 membership you could get in 16 free track days from May 1st to Aug 31st, so yeah about one per week.

[962 kid]

Technically with a $12500 membership you could get in 16 free track days from May 1st to Aug 31st, so yeah about one per week.

Hence the not quite! Either way there was enough value for me to put down a deposit.

[yipb]

Technically with a $12500 membership you could get in 16 free track days from May 1st to Aug 31st, so yeah about one per week.

Will the membership price increase as we get closer to the date the track is operational?

[JZatBMR]

Will the membership price increase as we get closer to the date the track is operational?

No. But there could be some discounts before. :)

[Skyline_Addict]

Put my deposit down. Hopefully the community puts their money where their mouth is, and we see a racetrack soon!

[J-hop]

Wonder if there will be access for non-members?

With it being a bit far from Calgary and trailering my car in I don’t think I’d get much more than 6-7 uses per year. But it would still be nice to have access.

[JZatBMR]

Wonder if there will be access for non-members?

With it being a bit far from Calgary and trailering my car in I don’t think I’d get much more than 6-7 uses per year. But it would still be nice to have access.

Of course, there will be plenty of access to non-members. Open lapping, driving schools, club rentals, competitive events put on by other clubs, etc.

[ExtraSlow]

Wishing you folks lots of success and massive membership sales. Keep this awesome momentum going!

[beyond_ban]

I have been following this project from afar and my excitement continues to grow, but I think i hit peak "pants bulge" when i saw this get posted yesterday.

https://scontent.fyyc2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28167793_1549995241781617_7965171904923809072_n.jpg?oh=83da31097e2007d813aca6daf73779db&oe=5B1668EF

[Maxt]

Wonder if there will be access for non-members?

With it being a bit far from Calgary and trailering my car in I don’t think I’d get much more than 6-7 uses per year. But it would still be nice to have access.
I'm of the same mind, there really is no chance of me using 20 sessions a year , probably same as 6-7 at best.. It doesn't make much sense for me to buy in with that kind of participation. A different corporate membership for smaller companies or self employed would have been attractive.

[austic]

The only thing that concerns me is how available the track will be to members at the lowest level. My understanding is the 12.5 gets you one level of priority above public. Given how short the season is for favorable weekends I would be worried that i wouldnt be able to use my days if the higher level members took all the weekend spots. I dont see myself driving that far on a week night etc.

[JZatBMR]

I'm of the same mind, there really is no chance of me using 20 sessions a year , probably same as 6-7 at best.. It doesn't make much sense for me to buy in with that kind of participation. A different corporate membership for smaller companies or self employed would have been attractive.

So just to compare the situations:

1. Scenario 1 - Pay the walk-on rate

7 days a year over a 10 year period:
Lets say a day costs $275 to start (just an example, we haven't determined the exact price) and with inflation by year 10 is then $375. So $325 a day average over the next 10 years.

7 x $325 x 10 years = $22,750 total spent after 10 years.


Scenario 2: Buy a membership, use it for 10 years and don't want to race anymore so you sell it for what you paid.

$12500 x $1250x10 in yearly dues = $25,000 cost.
Then sale for original price -$12500.

Total spent after 10 years = $12500.

We are also offering financing on that upfront fee as well.

[JZatBMR]

The only thing that concerns me is how available the track will be to members at the lowest level. My understanding is the 12.5 gets you one level of priority above public. Given how short the season is for favorable weekends I would be worried that i wouldnt be able to use my days if the higher level members took all the weekend spots. I dont see myself driving that far on a week night etc.

The availability of your days will be guarantee in the purchase contract. Every member type will be guaranteed a certain number of weekends and weekdays in the Spring, Summer, and Fall. The details are outlined in the brochure.

[My_name_is_Rob]

So just to compare the situations:

1. Scenario 1 - Pay the walk-on rate

7 days a year over a 10 year period:
Lets say a day costs $275 to start (just an example, we haven't determined the exact price) and with inflation by year 10 is then $375. So $325 a day average over the next 10 years.

7 x $325 x 10 years = $22,750 total spent after 10 years.


Scenario 2: Buy a membership, use it for 10 years and don't want to race anymore so you sell it for what you paid.

$12500 x $1250x10 in yearly dues = $25,000 cost.
Then sale for original price -$12500.

Total spent after 10 years = $12500.

We are also offering financing on that upfront fee as well.

Shouldn't inflation also be counted on the scenario 2 yearly then as well? For consistency sake.

(375-275)/275 = 36.36% - (Seems a little steep for just inflation, but that's none of my business)
136.36 * 1250 = $1704.55
so $1477.27 average a year over the next ten years.

$12500 + $1477.27x10 = $27272.73
Minus original sales price -$12500

Total spent after 10 years = $14772.73

[killramos]

I love marth.

Great to hear this is happening. Would love to come out for a public lapping day, but no way is a membership in my near future no matter how much I want one.

[JZatBMR]

Shouldn't inflation also be counted on the scenario 2 yearly then as well? For consistency sake.

(375-275)/275 = 36.36% - (Seems a little steep for just inflation, but that's none of my business)
136.36 * 1250 = $1704.55
so $1477.27 average a year over the next ten years.

$12500 + $1477.27x10 = $27272.73
Minus original sales price -$12500

Total spent after 10 years = $14772.73

Not necessarily. Think of member dues like condo fees. They can stay static depending on things like reserve funds. They may go up, but likely won’t be linked to as inflation as much as regular daily rates. But even in your revised math, the overall point remains. And What about the price you sell it for in 10 years? Once memberships sell out could there be inflation?

[My_name_is_Rob]

Not necessarily. Think of member dues like condo fees. They can stay static depending on things like reserve funds. They may go up, but likely won’t be linked to as inflation as much as regular daily rates. But even in your revised math, the overall point remains. And What about the price you sell it for in 10 years? Once memberships sell out could there be inflation?

Yea, I considered the selling price as well, but did not add inflation to it. And I actually quickly calculated the NPV's for each, using the above information, and it seems like anything over 5.34 days of racing per year, it's worth investing in scenario 2. Anything less, and scenario 1 is the most cost effective option.

[Maxt]

Also, I don't think the Junk I drive or myself has 10 years of track driving left.

[JZatBMR]

Yea, I considered the selling price as well, but did not add inflation to it. And I actually quickly calculated the NPV's for each, using the above information, and it seems like anything over 5.34 days of racing per year, it's worth investing in scenario 2. Anything less, and scenario 1 is the most cost effective option.

As a member, you also get at least one high performance driving school per year. And free entry to members time attack, auto cross, and race events. So, even more value.

[J-hop]

As a member, you also get at least one high performance driving school per year. And free entry to members time attack, auto cross, and race events. So, even more value.

:thumbsup:

[Buster]

whats the drive from Calgary?

[J-hop]

whats the drive from Calgary?

80 mins according to the website

Edit: that is travel time from the airport specifically

[ercchry]

whats the drive from Calgary?

Depends if you are hauling the race car or driving it :rofl:

[TomcoPDR]

Depends if you are hauling the race car or driving it :rofl:

Lol



JZatBMR: I remember at one point your website had listed there would be on site warehouse storage garages, are they day time uses, or can they be real estate purchases?

[soloracer]

Also, I don't think the Junk I drive or myself has 10 years of track driving left.

I thought you were a better mechanic than that..... ;)

[Darkane]

This is exciting.

Debating a membership. Although I’m more in the just a few days a year category also.

But I don’t golf or have a winter club membership. I need this to stay relevant with the jones’ lol.

[JZatBMR]

Lol



JZatBMR: I remember at one point your website had listed there would be on site warehouse storage garages, are they day time uses, or can they be real estate purchases?

Eventually both are planned but it's like a few years out. Will depend on demand.

[Maxt]

I thought you were a better mechanic than that..... ;)

Parts support, even fd's are really old cars now...

[parabs]

So just to compare the situations:

1. Scenario 1 - Pay the walk-on rate

7 days a year over a 10 year period:
Lets say a day costs $275 to start (just an example, we haven't determined the exact price) and with inflation by year 10 is then $375. So $325 a day average over the next 10 years.

7 x $325 x 10 years = $22,750 total spent after 10 years.


Scenario 2: Buy a membership, use it for 10 years and don't want to race anymore so you sell it for what you paid.

$12500 x $1250x10 in yearly dues = $25,000 cost.
Then sale for original price -$12500.

Total spent after 10 years = $12500.

We are also offering financing on that upfront fee as well.

I’ll be doing the “walk-on” rate simply due to schedule....my schedule sucks. Always. If it didn’t I certainly see the value in the membership but with my work and family commitments I’d be thrilled with 3-4 days a year. Thrilled!

I can’t wait to make a bohonk out of myself with my viper lolz

[JZatBMR]

New website is up:

badlandsmotorsportsresort.com

[BavarianBeast]

I've got 4 sections of land right next to the site. Looking forward to this. Hopefully the all the big mule bucks move toward my property ;)

[rage2]

I've got 4 sections of land right next to the site. Looking forward to this. Hopefully the all the big mule bucks move toward my property ;)
Racetrack in your backyard? Damn haha.

[BavarianBeast]

The only problem is the 3km of gravel road I’ll have to travel down to get to the highway. Slow going I suppose. Or perhaps I could start up a storage facility and pave the road myself! :dunno:

[nzwasp]

Are you JZatBMR thinking of attracting any televised motorsports events ?

[BavarianBeast]

Anybody else put a deposit down for a membership and starting to think this aint gonna happen?

I've always had doubts about the management team that's spearheading the project and it's all been unicorn farts and fairy dust so far. Sounds like they're struggling with 1/3 of the financing and trying to negotiate it into the construction contracts (good f***ing luck).

Might have to build my own damned race track.

[ExtraSlow]

Could they team up with the wildflower ranch people out of strathmore?

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Didn’t put a deposit down but family did. Starting to lose hope.

Lost our local auto x venue again last month too :(

[JustinL]

I'm nervous about any racetrack construction until there is pavement on the ground. How's Rockyview doing? They were supposed to be shoveling dirt this year too.

[rage2]

I'm nervous about any racetrack construction until there is pavement on the ground. How's Rockyview doing? They were supposed to be shoveling dirt this year too.
With what approvals? :dunno:

[speedog]

I'm nervous about any racetrack construction until there is pavement on the ground. How's Rockyview doing? They were supposed to be shoveling dirt this year too.

It was a very nice field when I drove past it this fall.

[BavarianBeast]

Anybody else put a deposit down for a membership and starting to think this aint gonna happen?

I've always had doubts about the management team that's spearheading the project and it's all been unicorn farts and fairy dust so far. Sounds like they're struggling with 1/3 of the financing and trying to negotiate it into the construction contracts (good f***ing luck).

Might have to build my own damned race track.

Requested my deposit back today, doesn't seem to be an issue getting it back.

Going to build my own damn racetrack. =
87161

[Ca_Silvia13]

Is that their land? They haven't even started clearing it yet? Wow...

[BavarianBeast]

No, that's my land - ready to be developed. Pea's got wrecked this year from hail, giving up on farming. They don't have nearly as good of a plot.

[brucebanner]

No, that's my land - ready to be developed. Pea's got wrecked this year from hail, giving up on farming. They don't have nearly as good of a plot.

Build it and they will come...

Or so they say.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

No, that's my land - ready to be developed. Pea's got wrecked this year from hail, giving up on farming. They don't have nearly as good of a plot.

Are you selling memberships :)

[JustinL]

Someone build another road course in Alberta! Is Badlands dead in the water? Are there shovels in the ground for rockymountain motorsports park yet? Their website still says events starting late in the 2019 season and it's now late in the 2019 season... but sadly I'm sure we will still all be waiting a bit longer. At least Castrol is a fun little track and close to home.