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rage2
12-09-2008, 02:05 PM
Toro Rosso using 2008 car. Everyone else using interim cars. Thus, STR is way faster :).

Not sure why STR was using their '08 car. Everyone is taking advantage of the remaining testing miles to perform slicks/KERS simulations and gathering data.

buh_buh
12-09-2008, 02:13 PM
Well I didn't think the TR was actually giving a beatdown to the McLarens and Ferraris, but he is giving the boots to Bourdais who is in the same car with a year under his belt.

Team_Mclaren
12-10-2008, 07:39 AM
http://www.sportlifepress.com/images/galeria_contenidos/test_f1_jerez_dic_08_1_2/Test-Jerez-Dic-08_0307.jpg

http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/51621_2.jpg

Mclaren with 2009 spec front wing/nose. Not as ugly as BMWs. more pics to come.

urban.one
12-11-2008, 01:11 PM
Good ole Bernie always has some great wisdom.


Honda 'no great loss' to F1 - Ecclestone
''They wasted millions and were a bad example''
11/12/08 08:54


The Honda F1 programme was far from a success

Bernie Ecclestone has dismissed Honda's departure as 'no great loss' to his Formula One empire.

The Japanese marque was involved with the sport initially in the 60s, with huge success as an engine supplier in the 80s and early 90s, and most recently with its Brackley-based works team.

But although his grid could be reduced to just 18 cars for the forthcoming season, F1 CEO Ecclestone played down Honda's departure.

"Honda will be no great loss," he said at the London boutique Moussaieff, where his daughter Tamara was unveiled as the new 'face' of the jeweller.

Ecclestone, 78, added: "Just look at where they finished in the championship - ninth. They wasted millions and were a bad example to other teams."

"In Formula One, teams come and go. It's not the end of the world. Only Ferrari has been there since the start."

"Now they've gone, we've got a chance to bring in some sense to the teams about how much they should spend.

"

The Daily Telegraph newspaper said Ecclestone believes a new buyer of the Brackley team will be announced next week.

He said: "I'm keen for the team to be kept in place. We have whittled it down to three serious potential buyers."

Meanwhile, former champion Sir Jackie Stewart believes the global slump in car sales is not the only reason for Honda's decision to part.

"I don't think Honda would have closed down their operations if they had finished third or fourth rather than ninth in the constructors' championship," the Scot told The Herald.

buh_buh
12-11-2008, 01:17 PM
What a great spokesperson for F1 :rolleyes: He was talking last week about bailing them out, now he's throwing them under the bus. He has proven time and time again he's senile, and its time to get the circus that is the ole Max and Bernie show out of town.

The Cosworth
12-11-2008, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh
What a great spokesperson for F1 :rolleyes: He was talking last week about bailing them out, now he's throwing them under the bus. He has proven time and time again he's senile, and its time to get the circus that is the ole Max and Bernie show out of town.

:werd:

I hate that man more and more every day.


Anyone want to start watching F3000 with me?

DJ Lazy
12-12-2008, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by Team_Mclaren
http://www.sportlifepress.com/images/galeria_contenidos/test_f1_jerez_dic_08_1_2/Test-Jerez-Dic-08_0307.jpg

http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/51621_2.jpg

Mclaren with 2009 spec front wing/nose. Not as ugly as BMWs. more pics to come.

SEXY! :thumbsup:

On the other hand, F1 sounds like its falling apart..:banghead:

rage2
12-12-2008, 03:16 PM
Cost cutting measures approved.


2009

Engine

Engine life to be doubled. Each driver will use a maximum of eight engines for the season plus four for testing (thus 20 per team).

Limit of 18,000 rpm.

No internal re-tuning. Adjustment to trumpets and injectors only.

The three-race rule voted on 5 November remains in force.

Cost of engines to independent teams will be approximately 50% of 2008 prices.

Unanimous agreement was reached on a list of proposed changes to the Renault engine for 2009; all other engines will remain unchanged. Comparative testing will not be necessary.

Testing

No in-season testing except during race weekend during scheduled practice.

Aerodynamic research

No wind tunnel exceeding 60% scale and 50 metres/sec to be used after 1 January 2009.

A formula to balance wind tunnel-based research against CFD research, if agreed between the teams, will be proposed to the FIA.

Factory activity

Factory closures for six weeks per year, to accord with local laws.

Race weekend

Manpower to be reduced by means of a number of measures, including sharing information on tyres and fuel to eliminate the need for "spotters".

Sporting spectacle

Market research is being conducted to gauge the public reaction to a number of new ideas, including possible changes to qualifying and a proposal for the substitution of medals for points for the drivers. Proposals will be submitted to the FIA when the results of the market research are known.

Note: It is estimated that these changes for 2009 will save the manufacturer teams approximately 30% of their budgets compared to 2008, while the savings for independent teams will be even greater.

2010

Power train

Engines will be available to the independent teams for less than €5 million per team per season. These will either come from an independent supplier or be supplied by the manufacturer teams backed by guarantees of continuity. If an independent supplier, the deal will be signed no later than 20 December 2008.

This same engine will continue to be used in 2011 and 2012 (thus no new engine for 2011).

Subject to confirmation of practicability, the same transmission will be used by all teams.

Chassis

A list of all elements of the chassis will be prepared and a decision taken in respect of each element as to whether or not it will remain a performance differentiator (competitive element).

Some elements which remain performance differentiators will be homologated for the season.

Some elements will remain performance differentiators, but use inexpensive materials.

Elements which are not performance differentiators will be prescriptive and be obtained or manufactured in the most economical possible way.

Race weekend

Standardised radio and telemetry systems.

Ban on tyre warmers.

Ban on mechanical purging of tyres.

Ban on refueling.

Possible reduction in race distance or duration (proposal to follow market research).

Factory activity

Further restrictions on aerodynamic research.

Ban on tyre force rigs (other than vertical force rigs).

Full analysis of factory facilities with a view to proposing further restrictions on facilities.

Longer term

The FIA and FOTA will study the possibility of an entirely new power train for 2013 based on energy efficiency (obtaining more work from less energy consumed). Rules to be framed so as to ensure that research and development of such a power train would make a real contribution to energy-efficient road transport.

An enhanced Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS) system is likely to be a very significant element of an energy-efficient power train in the future. In the short term, KERS is part of the 2009 regulations, but is not compulsory. For 2010 FOTA is considering proposals for a standard KERS system. The FIA awaits proposals.

A number of further amendments were adopted for the 2009 and 2010 Sporting and Technical Regulations.

The Cosworth
12-12-2008, 03:20 PM
^^ Lets see how much closer to F1 can get to NASCAR

:facepalm:


I guess my F1 memories will stay with the Codemasters Videogame. :cry:




edit: also what the hell is this?!?!?!
Ban on tyre warmers.

Ban on refueling.

Possible reduction in race distance or duration (proposal to follow market research). :banghead:

rage2
12-12-2008, 03:36 PM
Quick analysis...

18k rpms. No more internal mods, just injectors and trumpets. Less power. Funny how Renault were able to sneak in one final internal mod :rofl:.

No more 100% scale wind tunnels. More focus on CFD work. Great news for Intel and AMD I guess haha.

No turbo engines, no standard engines for forseeable future. Looking into standard transmission but nothing concrete. Teams can sell engine packages for €5 to other teams, or they can buy a 3rd party engine for the same price (this will most likely be the Cosworth unbranded engine).

2010 - Standard radio / telemetry systems. Weird, not much savings there. NO REFUELLING!!! Just like the old days... we're gonna see 3 second tire stops again. Fucking sweeeeet!

Very very happy with the rule changes. Much better than what Mad Max was proposing.

rage2
12-12-2008, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by The Cosworth
edit: also what the hell is this?!?!?! :banghead:
Race distance won't change. There's no savings there really (other than engine life).

Tire warmer ban is good. Makes for much more exciting pit out battles and obviously start battles.

Ban on refuelling is good too. Teams can take their sweet ass time changing tires and stuff, because refuelling takes longest. It makes the strategy boring. Starting with full race fuel load, it's harder on the tires, tougher to drive the cars, it's putting driving skill back in the equation. Now with pitstops determining who's gonna change tires fastest, a simple error will be devastating. An interesting side effect is that refuelling bans reward fuel efficiency. The less fuel you need for race distance, the lighter you start the race. I remember back in the day when the Ferraris would run out of fuel because it was the worst engine for efficiency.

Trust me, it's way more exciting IMO with these 2 rules.

The Cosworth
12-12-2008, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by rage2

Race distance won't change. There's no savings there really (other than engine life).

Tire warmer ban is good. Makes for much more exciting pit out battles and obviously start battles.

Ban on refuelling is good too. Teams can take their sweet ass time changing tires and stuff, because refuelling takes longest. It makes the strategy boring. Starting with full race fuel load, it's harder on the tires, tougher to drive the cars, it's putting driving skill back in the equation. Now with pitstops determining who's gonna change tires fastest, a simple error will be devastating. An interesting side effect is that refuelling bans reward fuel efficiency. The less fuel you need for race distance, the lighter you start the race. I remember back in the day when the Ferraris would run out of fuel because it was the worst engine for efficiency.

Trust me, it's way more exciting IMO with these 2 rules.

didnt think of it that way. I just thought of shorter slower races.

Team_Mclaren
12-15-2008, 03:48 AM
PSA stepping in to buy out Honda F1?

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/081215090422.shtml

cam_wmh
12-15-2008, 04:46 AM
Originally posted by rage2

I remember back in the day when the Ferraris would run out of fuel because it was the worst engine for efficiency.

Trust me, it's way more exciting IMO with these 2 rules.

Quite a few years back, didn't Villeneuve beat Schumacher on the last lap of a race due to that very problem?:dunno:

rage2
12-15-2008, 09:21 AM
2008 FIA F1 Review from the Gala

lCrJRgzTBCE

cloud7
12-15-2008, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by Team_Mclaren
PSA stepping in to buy out Honda F1?

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/081215090422.shtml

If this carries through, maybe we will see Sebastien Loeb in F1 as a full time driver in a couple of years!

Dave P
12-18-2008, 08:56 AM
http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/story/?id=260070&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_auto_racing-formula_one


He knows he is on the way out.



GO SATO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

buh_buh
12-18-2008, 12:27 PM
I read somewhere PSA was thinking about buying Honda and giving Bourdais a seat next to Button. I think I'd rather see Senna in that seat than Bourdais, although I think Bourdais deserves one more shot in F1. He often complained last year the car was built more around Vettel's driving style than his, so I wouldn't mind seeing him get one more year in another car to see what he can do.

rage2
12-18-2008, 02:44 PM
PSA already issued a statement denying it. If anything, Dave Richards and Prodrive is the best bet right now.

BTW - Sounds of 18,000rpm revlimits.

QhfXuJIaBVE

The Cosworth
12-19-2008, 06:18 PM
^^^^ those tires look so sick

rage2
12-23-2008, 11:14 AM
Been following the Ferrari vs Bernie stuff the last week... Ferrari's got Bernie pissed. Revealing Ferrari secret deals haha.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article5372488.ece


“Ferrari get so much more money than everyone else,” he said. “They know exactly what they get, they are not that stupid, although they are not that bright, either. They get about $80 million (about £54 million) more. When they win the constructors’ championship, which they did this year, they got $80 million more than if McLaren had won it.”

Ecclestone added that the special deal with the Italian sports car manufacturer goes back to the attempt by the teams to form a breakaway championship in 2003, when Ferrari were the first to return to the fold. “They were the only team that broke ranks with the other manufacturers – why did they break ranks?” he said. “That’s where the $80 million comes in. We ‘bought’ Ferrari. We ‘bought’ Ferrari’s loyalty. Our deal with Ferrari was that we ‘bought’ them so they would not go to the others.”

An angry Ecclestone told The Times that Di Montezemolo should be the last person to be complaining about how much income the teams receive. “The only thing he has not mentioned is the extra money Ferrari get above all the other teams and all the extra things Ferrari have had for years – the ‘general help’ they are considered to have had in Formula One,” Ecclestone said.
FIA = Ferrari International Assistance... confirmed!

bashir26
12-23-2008, 11:41 AM
^This could get really interesting. Nice post.

cloud7
12-23-2008, 11:49 AM
we all know that there are inequalities in how money is divided between the different parties... that's why how it is divided is never made public and is a closely guarded secret. I am surprised that it is Bernie that actually broke ranks about how much money is given to Ferrari vs. the other teams. He must be really pissed.

The Cosworth
12-24-2008, 11:27 AM
jesus, I think this is the beginning of the end of F1.

Good post rage.

rage2
12-24-2008, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by The Cosworth
jesus, I think this is the beginning of the end of F1.

Good post rage.
I see it as the beginning of a new era of F1, where Ferrari isn't favored and we have *real* competition. It's sad that we'll never know what was real and what was fake in the last 5+ years of F1.

BerserkerCatSplat
12-24-2008, 12:02 PM
To hell with it. Kill the series, oust Max and Bernie, profit.

Ripper
12-26-2008, 01:19 PM
Anyone ever play in a Fantasy F1 league? Every year I see a couple advertised at the start of the season and think about joining. Are they any good? Anyone intersted in a Beyond F1 Fantasy league/pool?

buh_buh
12-26-2008, 07:36 PM
I have no idea how it works but I'm in.

rage2
12-26-2008, 07:49 PM
I'm in too!

rage2
12-27-2008, 03:38 PM
Bust out the Coronas, it looks like Honda's gonna end up being a Mexican F1 team.

Carlos Slim, the 2nd richest man in the world (2nd to Buffet, ahead of 3rd place Gates) who's the CEO of Mexican telecom monopoly Telmex, is looking to close the Honda F1 team purchase deal before new years.

One of his many companies that he owns has been sponsoring Bruno Senna for the last few years, and with this deal it's expected that Senna will be making his F1 debut with the team for 2009 partnering with Jenson Button.

Since Telmex owns so many other companies, it's safe to say that it's a cheap way for them to advertise many of the companies across the board on 1 car. Telmex was supposed to get into F1 sponsorship with Alonso and Renault, but with this deal, it's most likely that won't happen at this point.

buh_buh
12-27-2008, 05:03 PM
I hope these last few weeks of shutting down engineering of the car won't hinder the "Honda" '09 car's performance too much. I'm still looking forward to Brawn's first car.

DJ Lazy
12-29-2008, 11:03 AM
so how would a F1 pool work? I'd be interested,.

Ripper
01-06-2009, 06:18 PM
From the ones I've seen you have a budget and build a team so to speak. I'll have to do some more research and figure out what is the best way to do it.

That.Guy.S30
01-11-2009, 11:00 PM
abit off topic but where can i buy tickets for the forumla 1 japan race?
they are not on the formula1.com website yet.

buh_buh
01-12-2009, 01:04 AM
I think I got mine from www.grandprix-tickets.com
But if they have no info yet, I'm guessing they haven't released any tickets yet.

Speaking of Japanese GP, since Honda pulled out is the race still in Suzuka this year?

Team_Mclaren
01-12-2009, 01:06 AM
Ferrari, BMW, Mclaren all set to unveil their new cars this week.

Trini
01-12-2009, 09:34 AM
FIRST PICS - Ferrari's 2009 challenger

Monday, 12th January 2009

Ferrari has taken the covers off its latest F1 machine - the F60 - at the first launch of 2009.

The wraps have come off the car that Ferrari hopes will wrest the Formula One world title back from McLaren, as the Scuderia became the first team to unveil its 2009 contender.

Built to the latest set of F1 regulations, the car looks markedly different to those of recent years, with the wider and lower front wing and narrower, taller rear clearly visible in the initial studio-based images released from Maranello ahead of the car's official unveiling.

The car has been dubbed the F60, departing from the expected F2009 moniker that would have built on recent years, and is expected to hit the track, albeit later than scheduled, for the first time on Monday 12 January, with Felipe Massa at the wheel.

pics. here
http://www.crash.net/gallery.asp?cid=1&category_id=336&event_id=ferrarif1launch_12012009&news=n

rage2
01-12-2009, 09:50 AM
F60 pics. Not as ugly as the BMW's, but not pretty. I can't see ANY 2009 F1 car look good this year.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Ajacied/mutynrtbfes.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Ajacied/kuymjtrhbdsvd.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Ajacied/iutyrtgdfnhg.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Ajacied/muhyngfdbs.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Ajacied/kuyjrthrgds.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Ajacied/tttttntfrsbdvs.jpg

K for KERS button...
http://i41.tinypic.com/4jss60.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Ajacied/htgrvasmhtnfs.jpg

Looks worse on track...
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9628/imagemix3.png

http://images.gazzetta.it/Hermes%20Foto/2009/01/12/0KDCXPCP--346x212.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5224/imagem2qt0.png

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3403/imagem3cq9.png

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/3563/ferrarif602009f1car2fdsbh7.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3108/3190684469_bc1bfb4782_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/3191532236_c051f3a7b6_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3093/3190684139_3ec0590c83_b.jpg

In other news, Renault's 2009 car failed FIA crash test last week...

rage2
01-12-2009, 10:00 AM
Why it's called the F60 and not F2009...

"Hello, everybody and Happy New Year! It will be a very interesting year for all of us as far as our sport is concerned. Let me explain to you why the new single-seater is called F60; it's the fifty fifth single-seater built by Ferrari specifically to compete in the Formula 1 World Championship; it's the 60th edition of the F1 Championship and Ferrari is the only team, which has participated in all 60 editions. The sport is closely linked to the Team. It is a historical date, but with a look to the future. It is a difficult moment "and it is the moment to look ahead and the goal is that we will have a F120 one day."
Engine, transmission, and KERS info...

One of the most significant changes in the 2009 regulations is th epossibility of using a kinetic engery recovery system (KERS). The KERS on the F60 was designed by Ferrari in collaboration with Magneti Marelli and is centrally mounted on the engine under the rear part of the chassis; its management has involved all departments of the Gestione Sportiva. The transmission has been redesigned to optimise the aerodynamic efficiency of the car. The gearbox casing is again made in carbon and is still positioned longitudinally. The gearbox iss fitted with a speed shifter. There is also a new breaking system, with callipers designed by Brembo.
KERS on the engine? Wonder how they're gonna cool that badboy down...

Ripper
01-12-2009, 10:22 AM
Here is the Autosport technical review on the Ferrari F60.

Ferrari F60 Technical Review (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72741)

buh_buh
01-12-2009, 10:57 AM
I don't mind the '09 cars.
They look good from a direct front view on level with the car, but if you look at it from an elevated angle, that high rear wing starts to look too high.

And I'm still lovin the slicks.

Team_Mclaren
01-12-2009, 11:18 AM
who else thinks Honda F1 is dead and will not make it?

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090112140449.shtml

Thanks to Fry too of course:

http://www.f1network.net/main/s169/st138559.htm

This guy fucked over the team since day one, why isnt he fired yet?

rage2
01-12-2009, 05:30 PM
Video of the F60 in action.

O3SpsV_9Uns

Watch the car pulling in and out. :barf:

DJ Lazy
01-14-2009, 11:11 PM
Any word on the Beyond F1 Fantasy Pool?

Trini
01-15-2009, 09:55 AM
Toyota Launches
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7830287.stm

buh_buh
01-15-2009, 02:25 PM
Facebook has a fantasy F1 pool although I don't know if you can organize any league or anything.
$60M cap and you pick your drivers.

Ripper
01-15-2009, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh
Facebook has a fantasy F1 pool although I don't know if you can organize any league or anything.
$60M cap and you pick your drivers.

Just drivers? We should fine one with drivers/chassis/engine.

Team_Mclaren
01-16-2009, 02:37 AM
i played this many years ago:

http://www.fantasyleaguef1.com/Index.aspx

i think i had to pay tho, something like 10 bucks?

rage2
01-16-2009, 02:40 PM
McLaren launched today! But first, uncle Ron steps down!

Dennis to quit as McLaren F1 boss (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7833402.stm)

Ron Dennis is my hero. It's his perfectionist attitude that has made McLaren such an awesome team. He'll still be contributing to the team, but it'll be Martin Whitmarsh that's going to be making all the decisions.

Now, the MP4-24!

http://images.formula.hu/galeria/27774mc091.jpg

http://images.formula.hu/galeria/27783vodafone_mclaren_mercedes_mp4-24_-_side_view_-_a4__300dpi_resize.jpg

http://images.formula.hu/galeria/27781vodafone_mclaren_mercedes_mp4-24_-_overhead_view_-_a4__300dpi_resize.jpg

http://images.formula.hu/galeria/2778484312003_10_resize.jpg

http://images.formula.hu/galeria/2778584312008_10_resize.jpg

http://premium.f1-live.com/f1/photos/2009/team-mclaren/diapo_187.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3937/4jss60se0.jpg

rage2
01-16-2009, 02:46 PM
Comparo...

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8205/093ot7.jpg

As always, McLaren makes the best looking car.

Team_Mclaren
01-19-2009, 10:54 AM
ANNDDD

Renualt officially takes the cake for the ugliest car of the year

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/renaultr29_2009f1car-37-470x313.jpg

nismodrifter
01-19-2009, 11:04 AM
^Ronald Mcdonald would look perfect in that car.

The Mclaren is hotness.

Mibz
01-19-2009, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by Team_Mclaren
ANNDDD

Renualt officially takes the cake for the ugliest car of the year
:barf:

Trini
01-19-2009, 11:05 AM
Williams FW31

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45389000/jpg/_45389541_006746211-1.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45389000/jpg/_45389542_006746178-1.jpg

rage2
01-19-2009, 11:41 AM
The Williams is the best looking car out of the bunch so far. But it's probably because of their intrim color scheme... dark colors hide a lot of the ugliness. Renault's bright McD's colors show off everything that's wrong with the looks of 2009 aero.

http://premium.f1-live.com/f1/photos/2009/team-williams/diapo_110.jpg

http://www.f1today.nl/fotos/qzkupu3w1.jpg

http://premium.f1-live.com/f1/photos/2009/team-williams/diapo_109.jpg

Too bad the Williams already crashed this morning in testing :(. Damaged rear wing, tire destroyed.

So far, my looks ratings:

1. Williams
2. McLaren
3. Ferrari
4. Toyota
5. Renault

#3 and #4 was the other way around, but after seeing the Toyota track version of the aero, it's WAY worse than launch aero.

Testing news today, as mentioned, the Williams crashed already. It's raining out, so not a whole lot of real testing going on. Ferrari is testing by themselves at Mugello, because on launch day they already wrecked a front wing, and prefer to stay close to Maranello so they can respond to problems much quicker.

McLaren is out there in the MP4-24 with a 2008 spec wing... most likely gauging the difference between 2008 and 2009 rear wing aero.

Ferrari confirmed that their current exhaust is the 2008 exhaust, and illegal. They haven't finished their 2009 exhaust system yet.

Williams and Toyota is running without KERS today.

rage2
01-19-2009, 01:59 PM
Correction - Toyota announced they were testing with KERS today.

ryanallan
01-19-2009, 08:53 PM
Renault has some interesting aero features so far.

These inlets are really small
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7884/f12009genxp0072sb6.jpg

Rear suspension is all sealed up
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1791/f12009genxp0084lu6.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8655/f12009genxp0087he3.jpg


Williams and Ferrari seem to be only two with a small barge board, and the vertical turning vane. Interesting that Renault has abandoned the mirror / side pod deflector combo, and Ferrari have added the feature.
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3615/f12009gentm0409qp6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/2551/f12009gentm0042ll5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

DJ Lazy
01-19-2009, 09:21 PM
My looks ratings:

1. McLaren
2. Williams
3. Toyota
4. Ferrari
5. Renault


This is only based on the photos you guys posted previously. That rear wing on McLaren looks deadly! :D

Mikko
01-20-2009, 04:07 AM
Being aware that associations is strongly affecting people's perceptions of what looks 'cool'/good etc, I just rather disregard the whole thing. They're all fascinating designs, and that they are different in ways make it all the most interesting.

Try to see the thought behind the shape rather than judging it's artistic quality. If you want to judge artistic quality, be aware that the only artistic quality that they posses what so ever is the paint-job. And even that is strongly affected by sponsors needs.

PS: The MikkLaren sure has a fascinating paint-job. :) Williams looks neat too - dark desaturated blue is my favorite color.

rage2
01-20-2009, 12:29 PM
Testing pretty much ground to a halt today...

http://www.f1today.nl/fotos/obowc0ef1.jpg

http://www.f1today.nl/fotos/yzowr0ao3.jpg

It's been damp at Mugello too, so no teams have really given the slicks a try with '09 aero yet.

AllGoNoShow
01-20-2009, 03:53 PM
66 days 5 hours 15 minutes until 2008 F1 Season Begins!
:)

rage2
01-20-2009, 04:19 PM
lol I should change that sometime... haha

rage2
01-21-2009, 12:35 PM
The McLaren looks aweome in testing... definately one of the best looking 09 cars so far. Track dried out, first test with slicks and '09 rear wing for Hamilton. McLaren had an ECU problem today, sidelined the MP4-24 for over 3 hours.

Pedro De La Rosa has the fastest 09 car time so far on the day of the shakedown last week in the McLaren MP4-24. Buemi is fast today (just beat Pedro's track record), but he's still running the '08 car. McLaren is running super high downforce today on the '09 wing, so it looks like Hamilton is making comparisons between the '08 wing (he ran that in the morning) and the '09 wing. He's almost 2 seconds off Pedro's pace from last week in the full '09 spec car.

Renault doesn't look to be setting any records. They've been slow, and already blew an engine. Will be interesting because there's only 4 test engines allowed for all of winter testing, and no in-season testing at all. Maybe them being the only team allowed to make performance modifications will come back and haunt them with reliability probs...

Toyota was thought to have blown up this morning (engine fire) but it looks like just a cracked oil pipe, so it didn't cost them an engine.

Pics... I only care about McLaren. Sorry guys. She sure looks fucking awesome considering how ugly the '09s look!

http://www.racefreaks.nl/images/550/lkzcvoqjrhntmfunujp.jpg

http://www.racefreaks.nl/images/550/jtfyekzjnibtmshqjpi.jpg

http://www.racefreaks.nl/images/550/esqtdwpekqngdaxqjti.jpg

http://www.racefreaks.nl/images/550/loaidfpihngmslrxhnk.jpg

http://www.racefreaks.nl/images/550/dcodwpibekhntvoyrxq.jpg

http://www.racefreaks.nl/images/550/xzhahaczohagqwpvchr.jpg

http://www.racefreaks.nl/images/550/oaxekqzsmsqxpjgczfc.jpg

http://www.racefreaks.nl/images/550/wopdbwzsuagdaxiovrk.jpg

http://www.racefreaks.nl/images/550/vdlvxatzoadjflouwqf.jpg

http://www.racefreaks.nl/images/550/umxrkqjcvojciouebqw.jpg

rage2
01-21-2009, 12:44 PM
Oh ya, for those that noticed how small the McLaren's sidepod inlets are for cooling... they went with a hot air exit at the rear of the car in front of the diffuser. The vaccuum created at speed will literally suck the air through the cooling system, which allows them to run that small opening, thus improving drag significantly.

The front of the MP4-24 is a LOT bulkier than the competition (worst for drag) but it looks like it's designed to generate front downforce. This may be why they didn't shift the weight so far forward compared to the other teams (the cockpit is further back on the MP4-24). This is a completely different design philosophy than the other teams, so either McLaren's got it really right, or really wrong. We'll find out soon :).

DJ Lazy
01-21-2009, 03:10 PM
Damn that car looks sweet!! :drool:

new sig material!

Mibz
01-21-2009, 03:38 PM
Is there a significance to the powder on the road in pics 2 and 5? Or is that just really clean looking dust?

rage2
01-21-2009, 03:50 PM
It's either dust, or cleanup stuff from the Toyota engine fire earlier.

rage2
01-21-2009, 05:03 PM
vids from today

wZN9Zdc8VDo

DJ Lazy
01-21-2009, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by rage2
vids from today

wZN9Zdc8VDo

looking pretty slick around the corners in the last 1min or so... Is that cuz they are running slicks? or not enough down force?

Mibz
01-21-2009, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by DJ Lazy
looking pretty slick around the corners in the last 1min or so... Is that cuz they are running slicks? or not enough down force? I think the track was still kinda damp.

rage2
01-21-2009, 05:40 PM
This track is very green. We'll see a lot more sideways action now that DF is lower and back to slick tires... drivers can actually get sideways and not lose too much speed compared to previous years.

rage2
01-22-2009, 06:57 AM
Testing cancelled due to the rain today (a LOT of it). Teams are pissed, 4 days of test only 1 afternoon of sunshine. With very limited testing this year due to new rules, these 4 days have been a writeoff. Not sure when they'll reschedule the last day of testing, lets' hope it's this weekend and they'll wait till it's sunny.

In the meantime... more vids from yesterday.

vs-rKJuesao

WyuNYuM9OCc

iceburns288
02-04-2009, 10:02 PM
The 09 McLaren looks great.

buh_buh
02-04-2009, 10:04 PM
WTFs up with USF1? With Peter Windsor running it? He would just tell his drivers to stay behind Hamilton to continue kissing his ass.

iceburns288
02-04-2009, 10:07 PM
Based in my hometown. Fuck yeah!

How many F1 teams are in Calgary?:D

rage2
02-04-2009, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh
WTFs up with USF1? With Peter Windsor running it? He would just tell his drivers to stay behind Hamilton to continue kissing his ass.
:rofl:

In other news, it looks like in season testing will be lifted. Won't see a runaway championship this year.

ryanallan
02-04-2009, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by iceburns288
Based in my hometown. Fuck yeah!


whats is like living in NC, does everyone work for a race team ?

iceburns288
02-04-2009, 10:46 PM
We have all the NASCAR teams, the NASCAR Hall of Fame, an F1 team on the way, and that 4-lane dragstrip that was posted up here a few months ago. We got it goin on!:poosie:

buh_buh
02-04-2009, 10:52 PM
alleged F1 team on the way. I don't know how viable this is considering the economic slump the US is currently facing. In fact, it seems completely ass backwards to me.

rage2
02-04-2009, 11:16 PM
Oh shit we got our own forum?!?!?!

We don't have to post everything in 1 thread no more lol!

cloud7
02-05-2009, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by rage2
Oh shit we got our own forum?!?!?!

We don't have to post everything in 1 thread no more lol!

lol, long over due IMO.

As for a F1 team based in the US, I guess we'll have to wait and see. It won't come online til 2010 at the earliest.

DJ Lazy
02-05-2009, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by rage2
Oh shit we got our own forum?!?!?!

We don't have to post everything in 1 thread no more lol!

So does this mean we are gonna have a separate thread for each race? :D

buh_buh
02-05-2009, 07:12 PM
not a bad idea. It'll encourage more discussion.

Bigchuckers
02-05-2009, 08:33 PM
yeah i would be down for that... as a big F1 fan it would be nice to talk about the only decent racing out there.. and not that gay redneck left turn only weak ass attempt they call nascar

cloud7
02-08-2009, 11:24 PM
Looks like Bourdais will be back for another season. Toro Rosso just confirmed him. I was never a fan of his in Champ Cars and F1, but it will still be interesting to see how he does this year. There is no excuse now that he has a year under his belt.

rage2
02-09-2009, 12:14 AM
The only reason Bourdais got his seat was because he was bringing in a shitload of sponsorship money for STR.

torob
02-09-2009, 01:26 AM
Wow just coming into this, so many terms and things to consider my heads about to blow.

Just read through the first and half of the second page of this thread, so much to know and think about i couldn't read the rest seemed gibberish.

Just from what i remember looking at the pics in first / second page, the BMW car is definitely ugly but the merc is badass. The front wing or whatever it is looks a bit bulky and long but it makes it look really good. Not sure how that would affect performance, all i know is the common sense stuff.

Obviously every second counts and its crazy reading all these posts on how precise the design of the car has to be and how precise the driver has to drive to get ahead. Very interesting stuff.
Is there a schedule somewhere that shows exactly what time the tests, practice will be shown? On DishNetwork by the way.

Any links for the new guys would be great too, to learn about all these terms, like KERS which i managed to wiki.

rage2
02-09-2009, 01:45 AM
I'll be posting testing vids as they are available. No F1 on TV until the first race in March.

bart
02-09-2009, 02:53 AM
have they got onboard hd cams yet? :)

torob
02-09-2009, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by rage2
I'll be posting testing vids as they are available. No F1 on TV until the first race in March.

Oh that sucks, i'll definitely be watching this thread for the vids then
what do you look for in a practice/test? All it seems is the driver going around fast, but i've noticed some parts where the car shakes, that bad? should be watching for that? or just looking for the times?

rage2
02-09-2009, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by bart
have they got onboard hd cams yet? :)
BBC confirmed no HD this year. Just widescreen, like the last 2 years.


Originally posted by torob
Oh that sucks, i'll definitely be watching this thread for the vids then
what do you look for in a practice/test? All it seems is the driver going around fast, but i've noticed some parts where the car shakes, that bad? should be watching for that? or just looking for the times?
It's tough to really read into testing times unless you can gather enough info on what each team is trying to accomplish for a particular test. BMW last year during winter testing was slow, but that was because they tested the entire winter on heavy fuel loads and tire wear management. The first race of 2008 Heidfeld surprised everyone and took the BMW home in 2nd.

I'll start a new thread for testing as soon as info starts coming down the wire. Watch for pics, vids and my analysis there.

cloud7
02-09-2009, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by rage2
The only reason Bourdais got his seat was because he was bringing in a shitload of sponsorship money for STR.

oh maybe things changed... because wasn't he worried about his seat because he didn't have as much sponsorship money as other driver?

torob
02-11-2009, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by TACO.VIDAL


So he's back testing...
Is he a good driver?

buh_buh
02-12-2009, 01:50 PM
Honda saved??

http://www.crash.net/formula+one/news/142918/1/brawn_e-mail_hints_honda_f1_saved.html

DJ Lazy
02-12-2009, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh
Honda saved??

http://www.crash.net/formula+one/news/142918/1/brawn_e-mail_hints_honda_f1_saved.html

That's a BIG rumor... especially after missing so much testing time, but would be great to see them back in any case. Unfortunately it doesn't sound like it will be powered by a Honda engine.

buh_buh
02-12-2009, 02:23 PM
even if they are saved, they're destined to be a backmarker again.
2 months of R&D time lost, testing time lost, chassis was built for a Honda engine, which they are no longer supplying. :banghead:

buh_buh
02-13-2009, 11:13 AM
Now they're saying only 4 races for Honda. :(
Why do this at all? If this is just an attempt by Senna sponsors to get him into F1, I think its hurting him more than its helping. Getting Senna into a car that I have no doubt will not be competitive will only hurt his chances of getting into another seat.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/feb/13/formula-one-honda-cash

Oz-
02-16-2009, 08:32 AM
Sorry if this has been posted, but just read it last night. Thoughts?

Could U.S. F1 team in 2010 feature Danica Patrick?

MADRID (AP) -- An American team will be racing in Formula One next year, and IndyCar driver Danica Patrick is a candidate to fill one of the seats.

USF1, which will be unveiled Feb. 24, will have a staff of at least 100, a working budget of $64 million and an aim to put two American drivers on the starting grid. The team is looking at several candidates, including the 26-year-old Patrick.

"She's great. She gets a lot of press," USF1 technical director Ken Anderson told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. "(Indianapolis Motor Speedway president) Tony George would probably be pretty mad with me if I took her out of the IRL but we'll see.

"I don't know if it's something she wants to do. We'd certainly love to test her and go from there."

NASCAR driver Scott Speed, who raced 28 times for F1 team Toro Rosso from 2006-07, is also a candidate.

Conor Daly -- son of former F1 driver Derek Daly -- and Josef Newgarden are also being mentioned, with both drivers presently competing in European junior categories.

The team will be based in Charlotte, N.C., and with much of the technology coming from the United States it means "there are a lot of companies we can lean on to outsource," according to Anderson.

Calls by the AP to motor racing's governing body Sunday to confirm that USF1's entry had been accepted were not returned.

The team is currently looking for a secondary base in Europe, most likely sharing with Epsilon Euskadi's team headquarters in northern Spain.

"We're talking to (F1 engineer) Sergio Rinland about basing it at Espselon. It's a beautiful city, it's certainly on top of our list," said Anderson, who worked as a designer and engineer in F1 and IndyCar. "Spain makes a lot of sense with all the winter testing."

Epsilon Euskadi is active in Le Mans and there is a wind tunnel there that meets FIA standards.

Getting back into F1 was a no-brainer for Anderson.

"It's the biggest sport in the world and the biggest TV show in the world," he said. "NASCAR has just become a national sport, never mind an international sport."

With the global economic downturn, more independent teams are possible, especially since FIA president Max Mosley stepped in to reign in the costs with sweeping regulation changes and cost-cutting coming into effect to avoid any other teams from pulling out.

Honda's exit in December is no surprise to Anderson since the Japanese manufacturer's core business interests lay elsewhere.

"Mosley had to step in and stop F1 from killing itself with the manufacturers throwing ungodly money and people and resources at it. It's got to get back to a real business like Frank Williams owns Williams, Ron Dennis owns McLaren, Eddie Jordan owns Jordan and they all had to show a profit at the end of the year and, therefore, had to make intelligent decisions.

"One little hiccup like this and it's all sort of imploded."

The drop in costs has "leveled the playing field" although Anderson is targeting points to start.

Pete Windsor, a former team manager at Ferrari and Williams, will partner Anderson and run the competition side of the team.

Anderson remains a throwback to the late 80s and early 90s of F1 when he worked at Williams, Ligier and Onyx.

"In '92, the Williams was the coolest car ever with active suspension, (anti-brake system), that was kind of the peak of technology and their budget for that was less than 30 million pounds," Anderson said. "I missed the days when we could do some crazy things."

Copyright 2009 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Mikko
02-20-2009, 04:28 AM
Anti-brake system? What the hell is that?

Danica for F1.. She's good looking, but she's not even the best IRL driver. It would be a good show and a spectacle, but she would probably not be competitive. She's supposed to do some A1GP this year, and even there she's not expected to be very competitive. Just think of F1 then! haha.

Mibz
02-20-2009, 10:10 AM
Put her in GP2 like the rest of the wannabes. By next season I'm sure there will be at least a couple stand-outs. Though I guess it would do well to bring in a larger American audience.