how safe is it to have 2 front winters and 2 rear summers?

[03ozwhip]

i see this kind of thing all the time. FWD car, winters on the front, summers on the rear, is it safe?

[Gibson]

I would say no, I think it would probably fuck around with how the car is balanced. You would have grip for the wheels with the power, but then you try turning a corner and the rear would start sliding.

[03ozwhip]

even in a fwd civic?

[funkedelic2]

not a good idea, your rear tires can still slide if your car is FWD. Your traction will suffer and you should always have 4 matching tires on your car anyway. You could get away with it i'm sure, but do you really want to try?

[BlackArcher101]

:facepalm:

[nobb]

Watch all 6 modules.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P03wqClnq-0

[civic_stylez]

once the rubber compounds freeze in the rear, you are on a pro drift car. It is not safe nor is it recommended under any circumstance. If you have a fwd car, the rear end still requires stability under braking/turning. running summer/winter setup will be better than running a full summer set but i would never run that setup... pay the extra money and get the full set.

[03ozwhip]

oh im not doing it, i just saw 3 people 2 in civics and one in a prelude and was wondering if its a good idea or not.

[funkedelic2]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/26/The_More_You_Know.png

[black13]

It would definitely be better than running all summer tires but still the back end in a FWD car will slide out instead of all four so not much of an improvement.

[Deetz]

Bad idea!

When i was younger, i didn't want to spend all the money to buy all 4 new tires either. I picked up a set for the front end on my crx.......almost crashed it a few times the first week. The winter grips grip so good that if you go around a slippery corner, the front end will turn, then the back end loses traction and comes right around (just like pulling the park brake)
Also, even on a front wheel drive, if you are going down a hill, apply the brakes, if there is any kind of angle right or left, you could suffer the chance for the car do spin around there.....not safe ;)

[hampstor]

if you want to experience what it is like, next summer, take some McDonalds drink trays. Make 2 stacks about 2-3 deep, and then wrap them under each rear tire.

Do this in a parking lot with lots and lots of room around you - enjoy. :)

No - it is not safe.

[max_boost]

If you want to kill yourself, feel free to test it out.

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

[03ozwhip]

i said im not doing it, i saw people doing it i have all 4 winters on already, it was just a question becuase i see people all the time doing it.

[DRKM]

At work we had a meeting with the Goodyear rep who said that if you are going to get two winter tires on a car you are supposed to put the on the rear axle no matter what. (FWD or RWD).

THis is becaue like someone previously mentined when you are turning it is alot easier to lose control and not notice from the rear.\

[kwjent]

a recipe for disaster

[westbeach70]

haha might look like this??

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9653/chainsonmustangkz7.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chainsonmustangkz7.jpg)

[funkedelic2]

hahaha what the fuck aren't mustangs rwd

[dimi]

My buddies car is still in that mode. Winters in front, summers rear.

Last year we almost fucked up on the way to sunshine. He was being the all-knowing as usual. Road was icy, -15 outside, and I told him numerous times to slow down. "Nah man, this shit is nothing, plus the car is heavy with all the gear". So we're going like 130-140. When you get to that cement factory before Canmore, after you pass the lake, there are 2 corners that have warnings to go 95km/h. Cruise control is at 135, and rear end slips. FUCK, that's about the most scared I have ever been in a car. On the left side is a big ass ditch, right side is the lake. Buddy corrected with steering and somehow the rear came back. I don't even know how we stayed on the road.

So what I learned from this is when you don't feel safe in someones car, FORCE them to slow down. If he/she wants to drive that way let them do so on their own, risking their own life.

Anyway, mixing summers/winters is a REALLY bad idea. It's worse than summers all around, cause at least then you have limited grip all around and the car's under/oversteer characteristics will be the same.

[whiskas]

Put the winters on the rear and the summers on the front if you absolutely must run two different pairs of tires.

[badatusrnames]

Originally posted by whiskas
Put the winters on the rear and the summers on the front if you absolutely must run two different pairs of tires.

:werd: That's what you are supposed to do. Keeps the back end from coming out under breaking and turning. For winter driving, it's the stopping that's more important than getting traction to move, if you had to chose between the two.

[drsomebody]

QFT thats how i did it last year and the rear felt more stable.

[avow]

on my 1991 honda accord winter beater last year it needed new tires in the front so i figured that i would keep the summer tires in the back and just use the winters up front.

lol oh man that this was like a rwd car last winter. I could snap that back end out so easy. I really wouldnt recommend it if you dont know what your doing, and even then you should probably avoid the situation. its worth the extra little bit of money.

[rumeo]

i saw a dude with a summer tire and a winter tire in the front and the same in the back i lold

[gpomp]

Originally posted by whiskas
Put the winters on the rear and the summers on the front if you absolutely must run two different pairs of tires. :werd:

[derek_k]

i say fuck it, if you have a civic. rock the winters on the front for traction and lock up those bad boys in the back with the ebrake. :burnout:

[sneek]

Originally posted by whiskas
Put the winters on the rear and the summers on the front if you absolutely must run two different pairs of tires.

[whiskas]

To add what I said above, by having the winters in the back and summers at the front you introduce two problems:

1) Assuming it's FWD, you'll have a much harder time starting from a stop on slippery surfaces, 3rd gear starts FTW :clap: Just pray to kittens you don't have to start from a stop on a hill.

2) If you don't have ABS be very conscious of locking your front tires up during braking. The front brakes do 80% of the braking, and with less available grip on the front they'll have a greater tendency to lock up which is very dangerous on slippery surfaces because you can't turn the car if the wheels aren't turning.

[Xtrema]

Would love to see mandatory winters like Montreal.

Insurance company should get into subsidizing it.

[Supa Dexta]

I had put my summers on last spring, and then we got a big dump of snow he next week... The car was useless so I threw on the 2 front winters, and left the half bald 40 series on the rear, and it sucked.. You couldn't take a turn at more then 10km/h without the back end kicking out (not drifting, full out circles in some cases) and when the summers were on the front, as mentioned it would hardly take off, any slight grade and it couldn't pull itself forward... They really do turn into hockey pucks. Stop being cheap and spend the 50$ on a couple used tires.

[max_boost]

Originally posted by Xtrema
Would love to see mandatory winters like Montreal.

Insurance company should get into subsidizing it.

I was going to say not a chance given how mild the winter is (yesterday) and then today, yep, make sure everyone has winter tires before they start crashing into each other!

[T-rus]

Generally only having 2 winter tires on a vehicle is worse then having all 4 as summer tires. As stated before if you have 2 winters and 2 summers it will change your traction characteristics and completly change your braking dynamics of the vehicle.

When it comes to safety issues as these I suck it up and put the money out knowing that I will be safer and so will others on the road.


Think about it an extra $200-400 on tires or a severe injury or even death.

[finboy]

i had bald all seasons one winter, 50% grip on the front tires and pretty much slicks in the rear. what people in this thread have said is true, no traction in the rear makes for some scary situations :nut:

[revelations]

Do the math.

One crash and you will blow through the cost of a SET OF NEW 4 winter wheels and tires.

I drove a small truck for 2 winters with wide summer tires - the most cautious and scary driving I've ever done - didnt have any crashes but bounced off a few curbs - never again will I skimp out on winter tires.

[albert]

Originally posted by finboy
i had bald all seasons one winter, 50% grip on the front tires and pretty much slicks in the rear. what people in this thread have said is true, no traction in the rear makes for some scary situations :nut:

sounds smart

[finboy]

Originally posted by albert


sounds smart

meh, didn't hit anything and i run winter tires now, by the way i'm going to try my best to get you banned, let the games begin :thumbsup:

[funkedelic2]

Originally posted by finboy


meh, didn't hit anything and i run winter tires now, by the way i'm going to try my best to get you banned, let the games begin :thumbsup:

Looks like you succeeded quickly

[03ozwhip]

i figured as much that it wouldnt be that smart, but i really didnt think a 100hp car would make that much difference. i always laugh when i see a civic with winters on the rear and summers on the front, youd be suprised how often i see this

[n1zm0]

michelin (http://www.michelinman.com/tire-care/tire-basics/reartire-change/)

discount tire (http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTiresRear.dos)

:thumbsup:

ppl driving around with any combination of summer tires/rims in winter are cheap fks. period.

[finboy]

Originally posted by funkedelic2


Looks like you succeeded quickly

:thumbsup:

[rumeo]

whoever is driving with that today is surely dead

[urban.one]

When you guys say summer tires do you mean true summer tires or all seasons?

Two true summer tires is nuts.

[Mr_ET]

Ever tried to run in the snow with a winter boot on one foot and a running shoe on the other foot?:rofl:

[ekguy]

what if someone were to check his stock rims 5 mins ago before throwing them on and happens to have not 4 winters but 2 pretty much brand new all season tires and 2 very nice winter tires...I realize this isn't the best but surely putting those instead of 4 directional summer tires would be a much needed improvement shouldn't it?

[gretz]

i have decent winter on the front, oldies on the back - just don't drive like an idiot and you shouldn't have issues.

Im in an 1800lb car with a super short wheelbase, its pretty predictable. (back tires are bald winters, not summer compound)

[zipdoa]

I ran 2 winters on the front and 2 all-seaons on the back and drove around in circles... it basically turns your car into a drift machine at low speeds. Lots of fun, but not when you're merging on crowchild.

[Super_Geo]

I have this set up on my car right now... though not by choice.

One of my winters had a sidewall leak so I needed to get a new set. My other 3 winter tires were ok though, so I'm just getting two new winters instead of replacing all 4.

I drive a E46 325i (RWD), put 2 winters on the front and drove to the shop to get 2 new winters put on the rears (Mich X-Ice)... I get there and I'm told by the guy that they sold out of X-Ice tires!

This was on Monday, and I just haven't had the time to go to a different shop yet, though I have found a couple that have X-Ice tires. So I've been going around with two winter on the front, and two summer tires on the rear, on a RWD car, and it drives... surprisingly well.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm getting winters put on the back as soon as I have the time to drop the car off at the shop, but even with the huge snow dump I didn't really have any issues. It's sometimes hard getting traction off the line if I'm sitting on a shitload of snow, but I haven't spun out yet... traction control kicks in quite a bit and keeps everything in check.

Though... I did turn traction control off in a deserted parking lot just to see what would happen. Turned at 20km/hr, gave it a bit of gas, car did a 360 right away...

[GTI_Fahrenheit]

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

In the past few days I've seen several cars with that brilliant combination... if you can't afford four tires then don't own a car or at least keep it with four all seasons.

I can't imagine how having the 2-2 combination would be safe...

[5000Audi]

here are some pics of my brothers dodge nitro when some guy with summer tires could not stop at a red light... brother smucked himm... happend last winter..

oh and for the record he walked away with bruses and a couple cuts from the glass.. nothing broken... ohh but his celly broke.. he was pissed about that lol

http://photos-e.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v190/210/91/515130182/n515130182_2183684_6772.jpg
http://photos-f.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v190/210/91/515130182/n515130182_2183685_7213.jpg
http://photos-g.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v190/210/91/515130182/n515130182_2183686_7617.jpg
http://photos-h.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v190/210/91/515130182/n515130182_2183687_7965.jpg

[mr2mike]

Originally posted by hampstor
if you want to experience what it is like, next summer, take some McDonalds drink trays. Make 2 stacks about 2-3 deep, and then wrap them under each rear tire.

Do this in a parking lot with lots and lots of room around you - enjoy. :)

No - it is not safe.

I remember a video of that with a VW Rabbit or something. Looked like fun for people who don't have RWD and enough power to break the tires loose.

[GTI_Fahrenheit]

see Transport Canada http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/tires/wintertires/menu.htm

and http://www.betiresmart.ca/video/apa.asp

Install four winter tires - To help maintain control and stability of your vehicle in icy conditions, Transport Canada and the Rubber Association of Canada recommend that you install winter tires in sets of four
.
Mixing tires with different tread patterns, internal construction, and size degrades the stability of the vehicle and should be avoided.

[cyrusli]

yeah, the video was clear i thought. Some people still do it unfortunately.

If you have money for two tires and two rims, don't get the rims and use the money for two more tires instead.

[C4S]

Very safe .. as u will crash soon ..

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by gretz
Im in an 1800lb car
What car?

[gretz]

1986 crx - the ultimate winter monster

[Gibson]

My car weighs about 1800 pounds as well and my tires are about the same size as bicycle tires. Luckily, I have good winter tires on all 4 corners but I can't imagine not having them.

[mekeni]

not safe at all...

[j0nblayz]

if your gonna do that, might as well just drive on 4 summers.. i can't imagine driving with only 2 winters, its already bad enough with 4 winters...

[jonfoo]

have any of u guys actually done this? it still makes a huge difference, to say its as bad as 4 summer tires is fucking retarded, i mean yeah your back end kicks out alittle but thats makes winter driving awesome, besides on a fwd car most of ur braking is from the front, and so is your power i have a full set but i just put 2 on my other car cause really the back wheels only add alittle more

[gretz]

Originally posted by jonfoo
have any of u guys actually done this? it still makes a huge difference, to say its as bad as 4 winter tires is fucking retarded, i mean yeah your back end kicks out alittle but thats makes winter driving awesome, besides on a fwd car most of ur braking is from the front, and so is your power i have a full set but i just put 2 on my other car cause really the back wheels only add alittle more

im going to have to agree

[adam c]

i had to run that way for a winter 2 years ago, it was tough but do able

[rockanrepublic]

last winter i had 4 summers i seemed to be fine i just couldent drive a couple days of the season.:dunno:
this year i got two winters on the back.:nut:
and im sorry but im a student.:devil: