TurboD
01-27-2009, 10:28 PM
my advice to anyone thinking about doing a wrap is to stay away from "SpeedPro Signs"
this thread is to show people how greedy some shops can be and how unwilling to help a customer out some companies can be.
background:
i emailed for a quote on a straight bulk roll of 12 yards of vinyl (54" wide) and laminate for a car wrap. (no printing or installing just the actual materials for the job)
ended up buying my vinyl at AllGraphics supplies for $371.56 taxes included for both vinyl and laminate.
a few days later i finally receive the quote from SpeedPro from which i was also inquiring for the product.
Speedpro uses 3M vinyl, AllGraphics uses Oracal vinyl.
both are specifically designed for car wraps, both have air release technology etc.
here is my quote:
Hi Dan, The cost of laminated vinyl for your vehicle is $1166.40. The cost of vinyl without laminate is $583.20. No text, no install. Thanks
Speedpro Signs
and my reply:
that quote is way off base, i just picked up a 12 yard roll of 54" vinyl and laminate (air release wrapping vinyl) from AllGraphic Supplies
the total square footage ends up bing approx 162
I paid 371.56$ taxes included. thats $2.29 per square foot for both vinyl and laminate
your quoting me for over 7$ a square foot for vinyl and laminate?
i hope this is a mis-quote on your part, or you hit a few wrong numbers of your calculator, but i feel sorry for the person that doesn't look around for prices before they get a quote from you.
-Dan
and this is the response to try to justify 300% markup:
(edited this quote to add paragraph breaks)
Dear Dan
All Graphic Supplies is a supplier of products, we are a sign company not a supplier. For us to sell you the product we buy it from a supplier just like All Graphics and mark up the product and resell it to you. We do not stock this product as we do not print our wrap vinyl in house. As any business person would know, if you want to stay in business, you must make a profit and do so buy putting a mark up on our products.
We presently do not buy products from All Graphics as we are a franchise and our head office determines who our main suppliers will be. Not all suppliers provide the same quality of products. Our head office does research on products and determines on our behalf, who has the better product and indicates that a particular product is worth the extra money. When we do supply vehicle graphics to our customer, the quality it top of the line and our goal is to make sure the product does not get returned to us due to peeling, cracking or fading. There is many products that does such.
If you look around in parking lots you will quickly see the bad wraps. This being said, we only supply top of the line products. When we buy these products from our supplier we put on a mark up and resell to customers. We must buy a minimum quantity in yards. Not all suppliers will require this, however our supplier does. Our intention is not to outrage anyone and I do appologize if we have done so with you. I did not personally do the quote. I can let you know that when we do vehicle graphics we stand behind the quality of the product.
I can assure you, you will not find our products partially falling off a vehicle or fading from the sun. There are various levels of products available and the fact that it may be air release is not the final determining factor to quality. We consider many component when dealing with products. I do believe the price given to you would have included the laminate applied to the vinyl as well as applying a premask for ease of handling and application. We presume this is what the client requires until it is discussed at further length if the job goes to production.I hope this answers some of your question and helps you understand the different pricing structure of different companies.
We do have many of our regular clients get there wraps from companies other than ours only to return to us and ask us why there wrap is bubbled and peeling. We most recently had a firm from the US track our location down so we could fix a wrap job done on a local casino bus due to the graphics peeling and bubbling. After the fact, they did research and realized they should have used a particular product, even though it would have been more expensive.
They researched and discovered we offered that particular product and sourced the work to us. I do hope you understand the reason for our price structure. I do know all clients shop around for prices and have questions our prices for wraps. If you have additional questions, you are welcome to contact us again. I hope your wrap project goes well for you and again, we did not have any intent to insult you.
this thread is to show people how greedy some shops can be and how unwilling to help a customer out some companies can be.
background:
i emailed for a quote on a straight bulk roll of 12 yards of vinyl (54" wide) and laminate for a car wrap. (no printing or installing just the actual materials for the job)
ended up buying my vinyl at AllGraphics supplies for $371.56 taxes included for both vinyl and laminate.
a few days later i finally receive the quote from SpeedPro from which i was also inquiring for the product.
Speedpro uses 3M vinyl, AllGraphics uses Oracal vinyl.
both are specifically designed for car wraps, both have air release technology etc.
here is my quote:
Hi Dan, The cost of laminated vinyl for your vehicle is $1166.40. The cost of vinyl without laminate is $583.20. No text, no install. Thanks
Speedpro Signs
and my reply:
that quote is way off base, i just picked up a 12 yard roll of 54" vinyl and laminate (air release wrapping vinyl) from AllGraphic Supplies
the total square footage ends up bing approx 162
I paid 371.56$ taxes included. thats $2.29 per square foot for both vinyl and laminate
your quoting me for over 7$ a square foot for vinyl and laminate?
i hope this is a mis-quote on your part, or you hit a few wrong numbers of your calculator, but i feel sorry for the person that doesn't look around for prices before they get a quote from you.
-Dan
and this is the response to try to justify 300% markup:
(edited this quote to add paragraph breaks)
Dear Dan
All Graphic Supplies is a supplier of products, we are a sign company not a supplier. For us to sell you the product we buy it from a supplier just like All Graphics and mark up the product and resell it to you. We do not stock this product as we do not print our wrap vinyl in house. As any business person would know, if you want to stay in business, you must make a profit and do so buy putting a mark up on our products.
We presently do not buy products from All Graphics as we are a franchise and our head office determines who our main suppliers will be. Not all suppliers provide the same quality of products. Our head office does research on products and determines on our behalf, who has the better product and indicates that a particular product is worth the extra money. When we do supply vehicle graphics to our customer, the quality it top of the line and our goal is to make sure the product does not get returned to us due to peeling, cracking or fading. There is many products that does such.
If you look around in parking lots you will quickly see the bad wraps. This being said, we only supply top of the line products. When we buy these products from our supplier we put on a mark up and resell to customers. We must buy a minimum quantity in yards. Not all suppliers will require this, however our supplier does. Our intention is not to outrage anyone and I do appologize if we have done so with you. I did not personally do the quote. I can let you know that when we do vehicle graphics we stand behind the quality of the product.
I can assure you, you will not find our products partially falling off a vehicle or fading from the sun. There are various levels of products available and the fact that it may be air release is not the final determining factor to quality. We consider many component when dealing with products. I do believe the price given to you would have included the laminate applied to the vinyl as well as applying a premask for ease of handling and application. We presume this is what the client requires until it is discussed at further length if the job goes to production.I hope this answers some of your question and helps you understand the different pricing structure of different companies.
We do have many of our regular clients get there wraps from companies other than ours only to return to us and ask us why there wrap is bubbled and peeling. We most recently had a firm from the US track our location down so we could fix a wrap job done on a local casino bus due to the graphics peeling and bubbling. After the fact, they did research and realized they should have used a particular product, even though it would have been more expensive.
They researched and discovered we offered that particular product and sourced the work to us. I do hope you understand the reason for our price structure. I do know all clients shop around for prices and have questions our prices for wraps. If you have additional questions, you are welcome to contact us again. I hope your wrap project goes well for you and again, we did not have any intent to insult you.