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rage2
03-09-2009, 01:31 PM
Well, not exactly the last week of test, but the last week of full group tests. There's a private test next week too that some teams are attending.

First off, the times.

http://www.tsl-timing.com/f1/2009/91189qu1f1t.gif

BrawnGP was setting the pace most of the day until BMW pulled a few fast ones out of the bag. Interesting to note that BMW's laptime today is faster than the Q2 low fuel qualifying time of last year! So I guess it's expected that the cars this year will be pretty damn close or even slightly faster than last year's times as predicted early on in winter testing.

BrawnGP is said to be running low fuel runs as fast as they can, because they're trying to drum up support for sponsorship. But hey, those are respectable times for day 1 of testing!

McLaren still slow, nobody knows WTF they're doing, but they did introduce a completely new floor, body (mainly around exhaust area) in the afternoon and clocked 1.5s faster times with that modification alone. Haug mentioned that McLaren will be introducing a new floor/diffuser/wing package a few weeks ago that allows them to run a low drag/low DF rear wing. It's slowly coming together. They're still missing a key piece of the puzzle, the rear diffuser and rear wing. As of now, all the '09 wings that McLaren has been running are non adjustable, so speculation is that they're keeping everything hidden last minute. Macca fans can only hope...

For now, here are the PR's for today.

Ferrari:

Final test session at the Catalunya Circuit for Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro

Circuit: Circuit de Catalunya - 4.655 km
Driver: Kimi Raikkonen
Car: Ferrari F60
Weather: air temperature 10/17 °C, track temperature 11/24 °C. Overcast in the morning, then cloudy with a few sunny spells.

Today saw Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro initiate its final test session at the Catalunya Circuit, near Barcelona, prior to the start of the World Championship season. Kimi Raikkonen was tasked with taking the controls of the Ferrari F60, alongside nine other teams testing here - the first time this year that all the teams have been present at the same time.

The Finnish driver worked on finding the best set-up for the car, on reliability and on a comparison between various aerodynamic solutions. Kimi covered a total of 81 laps, the quickest in a time of 1:20.908.

Testing continues at this circuit tomorrow, again with Kimi Raikkonen on track.

BMW:

BMW Sauber F1 Team - Test in Barcelona - Day one
09.03.2009 Pressemeldung

Test in Barcelona.

March 9th – 12th 2009

Day one – Monday

Weather conditions: Sunny in the morning, overcast in the afternoon.

Temperature: Air: 10 – 18 °C, Track: 11 – 23 °C

Number of drivers participating: 10 from 10 teams

Fastest lap overall: Nick Heidfeld (BMW Sauber F1 Team) 1:20.338 min

Circuit length: 4.655 km

Nick Heidfeld
Chassis / engine: BMW Sauber F1.09-04 / BMW 86/9
Test kilometres today: 429 (92 laps)
Fastest lap: 1:20.338 min

Programme:
With the final pre-season test under way, the BMW Sauber F1 Team geared up to make its final preparations for the Australian Grand Prix. On the first day of the Barcelona test Nick Heidfeld concentrated on race related procedures, i. e. pit stop practice, to fine tune the working relationship between the driver, engineers and mechanics. Heidfeld also did a couple of practice starts.

“The weather was perfect for today’s programme”, Heidfeld said after completing 92 laps. “We could try a lot of different set-up solutions and even do some aero work.”

What comes next:
The BMW Sauber F1 Team will continue testing in Barcelona for three more days. Nick Heidfeld will be at the wheel of the BMW Sauber F1.09 again tomorrow. On Wednesday and Thursday Robert Kubica will take over driving duties.

McLaren:

Date: Monday March 9 2009
Drivers: Heikki Kovalainen
Location: Circuit de Catalunya
Track Length: 4.655km
Weather: Dry and cloudy
Track temperature: Maximum 33.9°C
Air temperature: Maximum 14.9°C
Laps run today: 90
Laps run in total at test: 90
Kilometres covered today: 419km
Kilometres covered in total at test: 419km
Best lap time today: 1m22.948 at 17:02pm
Best lap time of the test: 1m22.948
Programme: The morning session was spent focusing on longer runs using an existing bodywork package in order to establish an accurate baseline ahead of the evaluation of new parts in the afternoon. During the lunchbreak, MP4-24 was fitted with a new front wing, floor and top body and the programme continued - on identical fuel-loads - throughout the afternoon. The team now turns its focus towards tuning the set-up in order to fully exploit the characteristics of the new aero kit.

And pics...

McLaren's morning floor vs afternoon "new" floor:
http://www.f1-live.com/f1/photos/2009/tests61/diapo_107.jpg
http://www.f1-live.com/f1/photos/2009/tests62/diapo_140.jpg

McLaren rear view:
http://www.f1today.nl/fotos/c799qsqu9.jpg

Morning bodywork vs afternoon "new" bodywork:
http://www.imagesforme.com/out.php/i390862_exacover.jpg

Today's testing video:
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Autosport analysis of McLaren's new floor:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73642

Until tomorrow kids!

rage2
03-09-2009, 02:29 PM
More McLaren pics. Still using the same old diffuser.

http://www.f1-live.com/f1/photos/2009/tests63/diapo_129.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6282/diapo129t.jpg

http://www.f1-live.com/f1/photos/2009/tests63/diapo_128.jpg

http://www.f1-live.com/f1/photos/2009/tests64/diapo_159.jpg

http://www.f1-live.com/f1/photos/2009/tests64/diapo_165.jpg

http://www.f1-live.com/f1/photos/2009/tests64/diapo_160.jpg

buh_buh
03-09-2009, 02:34 PM
WTF Button with some decent times, even if they are low fuel :eek:

Mibz
03-09-2009, 07:20 PM
I'm becoming more and more confident that McLaren is just fucking with people. Maybe it's just to offset the stress I've been feeling for the last week but I've convinced myself that they've got some hella tricks up their sleeve.

DJ Lazy
03-09-2009, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by Mibz
I'm becoming more and more confident that McLaren is just fucking with people. Maybe it's just to offset the stress I've been feeling for the last week but I've convinced myself that they've got some hella tricks up their sleeve.

Man, I hope your right, because I have ZERO confidence right now.. :rofl:

I realize Brawn GP was running low fuel today, but even with a heavier fuel load its what, 2/10ths per 10kilo? They are still 1-1.5s faster than Mclaren, if they had 20-30kilos more fuel than they ran today.

I guess we will find out soon enough. :D

civic_epidemic
03-10-2009, 10:48 AM
Well Brawn GP has done it again today, they are second on the time sheets right after ferrari in morning testing, so no matter how you look at it, for a team that's only been through a shakedown and one day of testing, that pace is unbelievable, now the question is how is race pace/reliability.

civic_epidemic
03-10-2009, 11:05 AM
And here are the times for Barca day 2 lunch times.

1 RAI 1:20.314

2 BAR 1:20.966


3 TRU 1:21.326

4 ALO 1:21.937

5 HEI 1:21.965


6 SUT 1:22.141


7 KOV 1:22.328

8 NAK 1:22.381

9 WEB 1:22.517

10 BOU 1:23.039

rage2
03-10-2009, 11:11 AM
Final times.

http://www.tsl-timing.com/f1/2009/91189qu2f1t.gif

Brawn GP was interviewed today, and they are saying yesterday's fast lap was not a media lap or quali simulation... they were running quite a bit of fuel. When they told Mercedes how much fuel they were running when they posted that time, it surprised them quite a bit.

Some of the analysts at the track today mentioned that BGP might be the fastest Mercedes car come Melbourne.

No new parts for McLaren today, they worked mainly on setup and found another second compared to yesterday.

rage2
03-10-2009, 04:36 PM
Busy day at the office today... just catching up to F1 stuff now.

Renault and McLaren both used Flo-Vis today on their car to test airflow around the new winglets around the sidepods. I dunno if they're really winglets (I swear those are illegal this year) or if it's just a temp addon so they can apply the flow-vis.

http://premium.f1-live.com/f1/photos/2009/tests68/diapo_196.jpg

http://www.motorsport-total.com/bilder/2009/090310/z1236688219.jpg

James Allen had a pretty interesting view of how things are looking. He thinks it's bad news for McLaren.

http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/ja-at-barcelona-test-day-2/

Some vids from the track today:

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And for the McLaren fans, a pretty wicked fan meets McLaren video (OK it's a viral ad for Vodafone).

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civic_epidemic
03-11-2009, 09:39 AM
Unofficial test times of the morning session of running, Ferrari still out front while brawn continues to impress.

Unofficial morning times from Barcelona (11/03/2009):
1. Felipe Massa (Ferrari) - 1:20.168, 21 laps
2. Jenson Button (Brawn-Mercedes) - 1:20.313, 86 laps
3. Fernando Alonso (Renault) - 1:20.863, 64 laps
4. Timo Glock (Toyota) - 1:21.046, 69 laps
5. Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull-Renault) - 1:21.165, 52 laps
6. Robert Kubica (BMW Sauber-BMW) - 1:21.201, 71 laps
7. Nico Rosberg (Williams-Toyota) - 1:21.482, 30 laps
8. Giancarlo Fisichella (Force India-Mercedes) - 1:21.545, 51 laps
9. Sébastien Buemi (Toro Rosso-Ferrari) - 1:21.569, 59 laps
10. Lewis Hamilton (McLaren-Mercedes) - 1:21.657, 49 laps

Mibz
03-11-2009, 09:41 AM
...Now I'm worried...

civic_epidemic
03-11-2009, 10:21 AM
Worried about what, the resurgence of Brawn or the lack of form on McLaren's part.

TBH, I'm not all that surprised at Brawn being as good as they are, for one, they started developing this years car halfway through last year so they have already figured out a lot of things that work and things that don't. It would've been interesting to see how it would've done with a Honda engine, as it was originally designed for that, so now the question is whether it would've worked better with the original engine, or with McLaren's engine and gearbox.

Mibz
03-11-2009, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by civic_epidemic
Worried about what McLaren... It'll be nice to see more competition at the top, but it's harder to be excited about it when your team isn't part of it.

EDIT: BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW, Hamilton crashed again.

http://www.pitpass.com/images/headlines/2009hamiltoncrashtestbarcelona400.jpg
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=37204

More pics (http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=972)

civic_epidemic
03-11-2009, 11:17 AM
And button tops the time sheets, holy shite

http://www.tsl-timing.com/f1/2009/91189qu3f1t.gif

rage2
03-11-2009, 12:09 PM
So depressed today. They're saying BGP has a huge advantage in that they developed since mid 2008 and used 4 full sized wind tunnels during development. Everyone else is trying to catch up without the proper tools due to new rules.

mischief
03-11-2009, 12:10 PM
So Dennis gives some explainations of where McLaren sits.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=37203

So McLaren's plan was to sandbag all along. Interesting strategy, but is looks like its backfiring slightly as they admit they are behind schedule. Should be interesting in Melbourne.


Originally posted by civic_epidemic
Worried about what, the resurgence of Brawn or the lack of form on McLaren's part.

TBH, I'm not all that surprised at Brawn being as good as they are, for one, they started developing this years car halfway through last year so they have already figured out a lot of things that work and things that don't. It would've been interesting to see how it would've done with a Honda engine, as it was originally designed for that, so now the question is whether it would've worked better with the original engine, or with McLaren's engine and gearbox.

Wasn't one of the reasons that Honda back out because of the fact that they were behind in power even with spending all of last year developing? Weren't they short 50 hp when compared to everyone else? I'm pretty sure the merc. drivetrain is definately aiding them.

rage2
03-11-2009, 12:48 PM
Don't even want to post updates today. Just so sad...

Anyways, Ferrari's had 2 days of race simulations aborted. Reliability seems to be a huge concert at the Ferrari camp. Looks like KERS is the culprit, so I'm fairly certain they won't be using KERS in Melbourne. Ferrari's last day tomorrow, no new parts for sure at this point. This is their Melbourne setup.

McLaren, ya, fuck.

BrawnGP, WTF. buh_buh's gonna be all over this. They're 1s faster on quali pace, 1s faster on long stints. Seriously, WTF? At least it's got a MB engine...

Renault, well, Briatore is PISSED off and whining again. Says other teams aren't following rules with their double decker diffuser. Says it should be banned, because Renault didn't think of it when interpreting the rules. The only smile of the day for me.

Vids of today.

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Ferrari PR:

Third day of testing at the Catalunya Circuit

Maranello, 11th March
Circuit: Circuit de Catalunya - 4.655 km
Driver: Felipe Massa
Car: Ferrari F60
Weather: air temperature 10/16 °C, track temperature 11/21 °C. Cloudy.

Third day of testing for Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro at the Catalunya Circuit, near Barcelona.

Today, it was Felipe Massa's turn to slip into the cockpit of the Ferrari F60. The Brazilian driver's programme began with some set-up changes on the car, followed by a Grand Prix weekend simulation, including qualifying and the race. The first part of the programme was compromised because of an hydraulic problem which left the car stranded on the track on the first series of laps, while the second part was completed successfully. In total, Felipe did 109 laps, the quickest in a time of 1:20.168.

Tomorrow is the final day of testing for the Scuderia at this circuit, when Felipe Massa will again be on track.

McLaren PR:

Date: Wednesday March 11 2009
Drivers: Lewis Hamilton
Location: Circuit de Catalunya
Track Length: 4.655km
Weather: Cloudy and overcast for most of the day
Track temperature: Maximum 25.0°C
Air temperature: Maximum 14.9°C
Laps run today: 86
Laps run in total at test: 264 (90/88/86)
Kilometres covered today: 400km

Kilometres covered in total at test: 1229 (419/410/400)
Best lap time today: 1m21.657 at 11:07am
Best lap time of the test: 1m21.657
Programme: Lewis joined the test this morning as the team began working through a series of pitstop practices. The morning session was spent introducing Lewis to the new aero package and setting up the car to his liking. That work continued into the afternoon, with the team focusing on longer runs and additional pitstop practices. Running was hampered by an off at Turn Two at mid-afternoon: Lewis lost the car at the exit of the second corner and hit a tyre-barrier, which broke off a front-wing endplate and damaged the nose struts. After some repairs to the front-end, he was able to complete the remainder of the session.
Drivers for tomorrow: Lewis
Duration of test: Four days (March 9-12)
Next Test: Jerez (March 15-18)

buh_buh
03-11-2009, 04:09 PM
I think there's no chance the BrawnGP car is faster with the MB engine. Anytime you fit an engine into a car not designed for it, there will be some things not right for it, and compromises will have to be made such as engine and gearbox position and weight distribution. Brawn said himself there are things they would not have done that way had they started with the MB engine. But with that being said, they had been fitting the MB engine into the Honda chassis since Christmas, further pointing to evidence that Brawn and Fry had been sabotaging talks with potential buyers so they can own their own team (Thanks to Rage for that), and were certain the car was going to be on the grid for Melbourne even when Honda announced.

Even before the pullout, Honda had been working on KERS since May of last year and were the first to run it on track before last season was half over. So they'd been working on their KERS for at least 8 months before they scrapped the whole team, and was thought to be the most advanced out of all the teams. I haven't really kept up with F1 news as much as I should, but did Renault get their 50hp back they were down from the "reliability" upgrades by Ferrari and McLaren? If Renault got to catch up, Honda would too, which would've put them on par for power levels.

I'm not holding my breath just yet though. This is just offseason testing. I said from the beginning if they're at Melbourne, that'll be good enough for me. If they fight for consistent points midfield, I'll be pretty ecstatic, although these test times are setting the bar pretty high.

17 days!!!

Team_Mclaren
03-11-2009, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by Team_Mclaren
i think all the fanboys should be worried!


... we're fucked:rofl:

I know they still have one more week of testing... but 17 days left.... can they make the new package to work?

also about Brawn GP, i read somewhere that they only got the engine from MB but not everything else. Its a special package unlike the one sold to Force India.

buh_buh
03-11-2009, 04:23 PM
BGP: No KERS, Honda gearbox, MB engine only I believe.

rage2
03-11-2009, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh
BGP: No KERS, Honda gearbox, MB engine only I believe.
It's a MB gearbox in a modified Honda casing. The reason for this was because the car was designed with KERS integrated into the gearbox (would've been fucking awesome to see), and with no Honda engine, the KERS package wouldn't work. To save development time, they used the MB gearbox with a modified Honda casing so there would be much less re-engineering of the back of the car.

redline
03-11-2009, 08:08 PM
^^^

from Ross Brawn

The Englishman confirmed that it would continue to run with its own in-house gearbox and that a KERS device wasn’t yet something it was considering

buh_buh
03-11-2009, 08:14 PM
Q. How difficult was it to go from the Honda engine to the Mercedes-Benz engine in such a short time?

RB: It was difficult. I cannot thank Mercedes-Benz enough. In fact, both Ferrari and Mercedes-Benz were exceptional in the support they offered, but it came down to the fact that the Mercedes-Benz engine fitted our chassis more easily than the Ferrari engine. Once we made that decision around Christmas time, the Mercedes-Benz people were fantastic in supporting the project.

But it was a credit to our staff that they have done it. If you look at the car, it looks like it was designed for it. So, there are some things that are not quite right and we would not do it that way if we had started with the engine, but the number of compromises are small and it looks okay.

Q. And the gearbox - is it a Honda one of a Mercedes-Benz?

RB: It is our own gearbox. We converted the gearbox to mount on the Mercedes-Benz engine because all the rear suspension, we wanted to carry that over. I don't think Mercedes-Benz could have supplied a gearbox even if we wanted them to, but we wanted to stick with our own gearbox.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73655

rage2
03-12-2009, 09:12 AM
My bad, thanks, as usual, for the clarifications.

I read about the MB internals and Honda casing back around xmas time.

A glimmer of hope for McLaren today, they're down to the mid 1:20's...

Rubens is a tad slower than Button's time from yesterday, he's clocking a bunch of laps in the low 1:19's.

buh_buh
03-12-2009, 09:28 AM
maybe this is the skeptic in me, or maybe I'm just used to them letting me down, but I'm beginning to think more and more Honda won't be running the same pace come Melbourne.

rage2
03-12-2009, 10:54 AM
http://www.tsl-timing.com/f1/2009/91189qu4f1t.gif

Be a skeptic all you want buh_buh, BGP is first in the fucking 1:18's. Regardless of how much others are holding back (if they even are), BGP will be damn fast come austrailia.

Interesting to note that the BGP cars with that insane laptime are clocking the trap speeds at ~8km/h slower than the top speeds. This means they're able to get more downforce than everyone else. I guess that extra 6 months of development in full sized wind tunnels helped!

For those that like to gamble... the odds on Button and Barrichello have moved up quite a bit now.

http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/EN/betting/g/8645/Race-Winner.html

Just yesterday, Button was at 25/1 and Barrichello at 40/1. Now they're at 10/1 and 20/1. Still a good bet to lay down IMO.

DJ Lazy
03-12-2009, 11:55 AM
Speaking of bet/gambling... Are you going to get in on the pool? :D


Looks like Ferrari and BMW were quite a bit off pace today... odd.

civic_epidemic
03-12-2009, 01:33 PM
BGP is sure laying down some ridiculous times, Surprisingly I think they'll actually be half decent come melbourne, I'll definitely be lookin forward to button and barichello racing, because imagine how quick they're going with those two drivers, imagine if their drivers were even better.

rage2
03-12-2009, 01:33 PM
I don't gamble. It's a personal thing. I think it's a good bet tho for those that DO gamble. But ya, I'll join in on the pool this weekend (the free one lol).

Today's quotes about Brawn GP from other teams:


- Michael: ''If Brawn GP is able to repeat the laptimes, that Button showed on Wednesday morning during his long run, in Melbourne then Button and Barrichello will win the Australian GP one lap ahead of the others.''

When Button set a 1:19.127 the alarm bells rang at the other teams. A Ferrari engineer: ''They're a second faster than we are. That's insane.'' Massa would have set his 1:20.188 on low fuel.

Briatore: ''When I came here I was still optimistic as far as our chances were concerned. That's no longer the case now.'' Alonso did a good lap (1:20.863) with KERS on board and with a fair amount of fuel.

- In 17 days time is the first GP of the season and there's work to be done. Brawn would never allow these superb laptimes to be driven just to attract sponsors. He explains: ''I'm looking for a long term partner, not one that's cheaply willing to get on the car because of fast laptimes.''

- The diffusor design of the BGP001 is a special one, it's even a bit more radical than those from Toyota and Williams. When underdogs set great laptimes then the established teams thinks something wrong. That, among other things, is why Charlie Whiting came to Barcelona to have a look at certain cars. It's about the way the air is guided towards the second diffusor.

Symonds: ''There are different interpretations as to what is allowed and what isn't.'' The engineers would like to have a clarification (I thought they already asked for that a few weeks ago, now it's too late anyway - AFCA) to know whether it's worth to copy the tricks from Brawn GP and Toyota.

Haug explains that Brawn GP isn't just fast because of the diffusor: ''The team had a lot more time to develop the 2009 car than all of the others. This is now paying off.''

Haug is probably right: Brawn GP has a Mercedes engine, which is a very good one indeed according to Barrichello: ''The driveability of the engine for one is a dream. Now I know again what I can expect when I accelarate. The engine power comes in a beautifully gentle and predictable way.''

rage2
03-12-2009, 01:35 PM
Regarding the double decker diffusers... note that the top 3 laptimes today are from cars that's exploiting the loophole to allow them to build that double decker diffuser :).

buh_buh
03-12-2009, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by civic_epidemic
BGP is sure laying down some ridiculous times, Surprisingly I think they'll actually be half decent come melbourne, I'll definitely be lookin forward to button and barichello racing, because imagine how quick they're going with those two drivers, imagine if their drivers were even better. I was just talking yesterday about how good they'd be if Alonso had signed with Honda, not that he would've stuck around during that whole pullout debacle, although I'm sure the drivers knew from the beginning the car was going to be on the grid at Melbourne.

But I think Rubens and Button are a good pairing (for spectators, not so much for the team. See: Hamilton-Alonso, Senna-Prost) since they're both pretty equal in terms of pace, although I think Button has the slight edge. Not that either of these guys are even on the same level as these other guys, but skill level, they're pretty close. If the car is as quick as its shown in testing (which I still have my reservations about, even as a Honda fan), it'll be a good fight between the two near the top instead of near the bottom.

rage2
03-12-2009, 09:21 PM
Today's videos.

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rage2
03-13-2009, 07:56 AM
McLaren == fucked :(.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73696

When the team admits publically that they're slow and that there's a problem, it's pretty much a sign that it's over before it started.

Team_Mclaren
03-18-2009, 11:02 AM
since there isnt a thread on this weeks testing...

March 18th:

.1º 2 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 0:01'18''202 79
.2º 8 Kazuki Nakajima Williams 00:01'20''023 00:00'01''821 103

THERE IS HOPE!!!!

Mibz
03-18-2009, 11:10 AM
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

*cough*

...
Very good.

buh_buh
03-18-2009, 11:52 AM
McLaren's looking a lot faster today. Potential Q2 times gathered throughout the week:

Button: 1:17.844
Rosberg: 1:18.071
Kovy: 1:18.202
Alonso: 1:18.343
Piquet: 1:18:3xx

Although some of these times were on low fuel, and not Q2 fuel. Once the diffuser ruling comes out, all this might be thrown out the window.

rage2
03-18-2009, 02:34 PM
I wish I had more time to post today, but it looks like the diffuser loopholes that Williams, Toyota, and BrawnGP are using to get big downforce gains are going to be outlaw'd. No word or details or expert analysis yet. Maybe tonite I'll read up more and see what comes out of it.

Mibz
03-18-2009, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by rage2
I wish I had more time to post today, but it looks like the diffuser loopholes that Williams, Toyota, and BrawnGP are using to get big downforce gains are going to be outlaw'd. No word or details or expert analysis yet. Maybe tonite I'll read up more and see what comes out of it. Where'd you hear this? I haven't seen news about it anywhere.