2.0L Genesis Coupe first dyno results

[calstar]

http://www.motorauthority.com/genesis-coupe-20t-dyno-test-hints-at-225hp-true-output.html

197hp (147kW) at the wheels!

Not bad at all for a stocker

[sr20s14zenki]

Very nice, eager to see this car here (=

[badatusrnames]

I wonder if they under reported power to protect sales of the V6 model, yet still keep people satisfied with the performance of their turbo 4...


Taken together with the highly restrictive exhaust system noticed by the testers (a deliberate kink is placed in the pipe immediately after the catalytic converters)

[R154]

I said 160-170 in calgary. Looks like I am a rainman.

Where is my award?

[benyl]

I say 180 in Calgary.

[Xtrema]

The question is, is Hyundai going to honor the same 5 year warranty on this unit or pull a Mitsubishi.

[911fever]

178 in Calgary. haha

[R154]

I still think 160-170. I am calling it on the 2.0T as 168HP with 150ish TQ.

220-230 V6 with unknown TQ

[Mr_ET]

176.3whp on Tomas mustang dyno :)

[rizfarmer]

With a 2.0T it would be hard to resist a few bolt on mods. I've never modded a car still under warranty.... how is the manufacturers warranty affected by modifications and how does the dealership react to finding you have modded the car?

[89s1]

Nice numbers,

Hyundia's new slogan...

"Not just your girlfriends car anymore"


Also, I'd be willing to bet it will definatly put out over 170 locally. No award yet R154.

[berbatov]

Originally posted by Xtrema
is Hyundai going to honor warranty or pull a Mitsubishi.
Tell me more, as I'm not sure of what Mitsu did

[Aleks]

Originally posted by rizfarmer
With a 2.0T it would be hard to resist a few bolt on mods. I've never modded a car still under warranty.... how is the manufacturers warranty affected by modifications and how does the dealership react to finding you have modded the car?

Any mod can affect warranty if they can show that mod caused the failure. If you're worried about the car breaking don't mod it.

From the videos of the V6 Genesis racing the mustang and the 370z I am pretty sure the 2.0L will be faster in Calgary :rofl:

[YamahaV8]

If the exhaust is as restrictive as they say it is then a simple cat-back even with a quieter muffler could result in some good gains.

[benyl]

It is a MAP based car. It won't lose as much power as the MAF cars like the STI.

[Eleanor]

^ :werd:

I'm guessing ~180whp

[Redlyne_mr2]

What does the turbo Genesis weigh?

[Eleanor]

~3400 lbs

[Redlyne_mr2]

ouch yah its going to require some bolt ons to be quick.

[R154]

It will take more then an arc intake and an hks exhaust. The block has yet to be proven, we need to see what it can and cant handle.

What about the trany?

I am still wondering what combination is being used, engine and tranny, and whether it has been in production (the motor) before.

somehow, I think with all the emissions crap it will have on it, it will be an expensive car to mod. that, and since I trust benyl implicitly, he says its a map based car. You will need a tune right of the bat. :(

[Cooked Rice]

HKS is already making/designing stuff for the 2T Genesis.

[R154]

Was that a statement or a question? I was largely poking redlyne, because his car is literally a rolling jdm orgasm^(at least infinity).

[Eleanor]

http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline/genesis%2020t%20dyno.jpg

Not exactly the smoothest curve, plenty of room to work with it looks like.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by R154
Was that a statement or a question? I was largely poking redlyne, because his car is literally a rolling jdm orgasm^(at least infinity).

haha dont worry I saw what you did there ;) btw It's a Blitz exhaust now.. hks was sold off ...

With the engine having close ties with the evo x engine i'm hoping it will be able to handle some power.

[benyl]

Originally posted by R154
It will take more then an arc intake and an hks exhaust. The block has yet to be proven, we need to see what it can and cant handle.

What about the trany?

I am still wondering what combination is being used, engine and tranny, and whether it has been in production (the motor) before.

somehow, I think with all the emissions crap it will have on it, it will be an expensive car to mod. that, and since I trust benyl implicitly, he says its a map based car. You will need a tune right of the bat. :(

It in fact has two map sensors.

Haven't done much research on the transmission. I know that the V8 sedan's transmission is the same one the 335/535 auto. These are good for 450 whp (so far). Haven't heard of any transmission failures due to power (yet). I am not sure if the V6 coupe gets the same transmission or not. (I am talking about the Auto).

[R154]

I am not holding my breath on the auto version.

I am going to watch this car very closely.

Thanks for the info guys. My numbers still stand. over under by 5 hp/tq.

[YamahaV8]

The block should be very similar to the EVO X, Lancer and Caliber SRT4 since they are all GEMA engines.

[89s1]

I was also wondering if it would go down as one of the really great 2.0T motors like the 4g63, 3sgte, ej20, sr20det. etc. So its nice to hear that it has those kind of ties

[X_EVO_X]

It's a version of the 4B11 motor used in the Ralliart.

[kevie88]

I test drove the 2.0t and it's pretty weak.. thrashy and harsh near redline as well (as is the Evo I suppose).

I think it's going to need a lot of work to be a truly fast car.

[GQBalla]

hmm interesting ^^

i was lookin at one for a daily driver while i build my car.

guess i got to test drive one to see -

did you go to the dealer for the test drive?

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2
With the engine having close ties with the evo x engine i'm hoping it will be able to handle some power.

The jury is out since the 4B11 has a semi closed deck and 4-bolt mains compared to the Genesis open deck block with 2-bolt mains. I think I posted comparison pics on the other Genesis thread but you can clearly see that the 4B11 has a much beefier block. If you are looking for serious power the best bet may be to try to locate a crashed Ralliart or EVO X and use the 4B11. I'm sure it's a matter of time until the swap is fairly common for enthusiasts looking to build a Genesis drag car.

[kevie88]

Originally posted by GQBalla
hmm interesting ^^

i was lookin at one for a daily driver while i build my car.

guess i got to test drive one to see -

did you go to the dealer for the test drive?

Yep, I tried one at Crowfoot Hyundai (formerly saturn/saab). We're going to give the V6 a try when it comes in so I'll post up my verdict when it's in.

I must admit I love the car's looks, and the interior. a very nice package all in all. The red one they had in the showroom (GT) looks amazing.

[GQBalla]

Hmmm I may have to go check it out.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by heavyD


The jury is out since the 4B11 has a semi closed deck and 4-bolt mains compared to the Genesis open deck block with 2-bolt mains. I think I posted comparison pics on the other Genesis thread but you can clearly see that the 4B11 has a much beefier block. If you are looking for serious power the best bet may be to try to locate a crashed Ralliart or EVO X and use the 4B11. I'm sure it's a matter of time until the swap is fairly common for enthusiasts looking to build a Genesis drag car.
That's a shame... I guess it makes your car even all the more special. :D

[calgary350z]

I took both out and the turbo was not as much fun as the 3.8. I really like the car and even though it is a brand I never thought I would consider it impressed me enough to consider buying one. For what you get for the price it is really making consider it.

[YamahaV8]

Originally posted by heavyD


The jury is out since the 4B11 has a semi closed deck and 4-bolt mains compared to the Genesis open deck block with 2-bolt mains.

Really? Because the info I have says that the 2.0L Theta engine in the Genesis actaully has a ladder frame instead of mains which would make it alot stronger (same concept used in some diesels). Also as a side point these engines have forged con rods so I don't see the need to do a swap to the 4B11. Seems to me these engines are ready to be tuned right out of the factory.
Just sharing my info not trying to hate or anything :D

Here is a 2.0L Genesis coupe making 362whp and 302wtq :drool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UN0cvXr7g

[Xtrema]

It isn't impossible.

It's either done cheaply and engine won't last long or done properly and it won't be cheap.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by YamahaV8


Really? Because the info I have says that the 2.0L Theta engine in the Genesis actaully has a ladder frame instead of mains which would make it alot stronger (same concept used in some diesels). Also as a side point these engines have forged con rods so I don't see the need to do a swap to the 4B11. Seems to me these engines are ready to be tuned right out of the factory.
Just sharing my info not trying to hate or anything :D

Here is a 2.0L Genesis coupe making 362whp and 302wtq :drool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UN0cvXr7g

The reason you would want to swap is that at high HP you run the risk of distorting or cracking the cylinders on an open deck engine. 4-bolt mains > 2-bolt mains especially since the 4B11 uses a die-cast ladder frame as well which is primarily used to reduce vibration at high rpm. Genesis injectors are running 97% duty at stock tune as well which means the fuel system requires overhaul. Add that to a very tiny stock turbocharger and these engines will require $$$$ just to get to stock levels of an EVO X 4B11.

[chkolny541]

car is gorgeous at the auto show, coupe :poosie: :poosie:

[YamahaV8]

Originally posted by heavyD


The reason you would want to swap is that at high HP you run the risk of distorting or cracking the cylinders on an open deck engine. 4-bolt mains > 2-bolt mains especially since the 4B11 uses a die-cast ladder frame as well which is primarily used to reduce vibration at high rpm. Genesis injectors are running 97% duty at stock tune as well which means the fuel system requires overhaul. Add that to a very tiny stock turbocharger and these engines will require $$$$ just to get to stock levels of an EVO X 4B11.

How do you know about fuel injector specs on such a new car already?

[heavyD]

Originally posted by YamahaV8


How do you know about fuel injector specs on such a new car already?

Don't need to know about specs. These are the duty cycles from the additional graphs of the Edmunds from MD Automotive;

It does look like the injectors are maxed from 5500 RPM and up though, so that will be a must improve to get the boost up in those RPM ranges.

2000 RPM, 35% Inj Duty, 8 PSI Boost
2500 RPM, 51% Inj Duty, 13.7 PSI Boost
3000 RPM, 53% Inj Duty, 13.1 PSI Boost
3500 RPM, 53% Inj Duty, 12.1 PSI Boost
4000 RPM, 60% Inj Duty, 11.8 PSI Boost
4500 RPM, 69% Inj Duty, 11.2 PSI Boost
5000 RPM, 80% Inj Duty, 10.9 PSI Boost
5500 RPM, 92% Inj Duty, 10.1 PSI Boost
6000 RPM, 97% Inj Duty, 9.5 PSI Boost

[YamahaV8]

Originally posted by heavyD


Don't need to know about specs. These are the duty cycles from the additional graphs of the Edmunds from MD Automotive;

It does look like the injectors are maxed from 5500 RPM and up though, so that will be a must improve to get the boost up in those RPM ranges.

2000 RPM, 35% Inj Duty, 8 PSI Boost
2500 RPM, 51% Inj Duty, 13.7 PSI Boost
3000 RPM, 53% Inj Duty, 13.1 PSI Boost
3500 RPM, 53% Inj Duty, 12.1 PSI Boost
4000 RPM, 60% Inj Duty, 11.8 PSI Boost
4500 RPM, 69% Inj Duty, 11.2 PSI Boost
5000 RPM, 80% Inj Duty, 10.9 PSI Boost
5500 RPM, 92% Inj Duty, 10.1 PSI Boost
6000 RPM, 97% Inj Duty, 9.5 PSI Boost

That's pretty cool. The boost has a steady drop off from 3000rpm. If the fuel system could support 13 PSI all the way to redline that would already be a decent boost in power. You're right though, definately needs a new fuel system just to improve power above stock. As far as the open deck concern, I'm sure the stock bottom end won't handle much over 400hp but then again 350-400hp is more then enough horsepower for a street car in my opinion.