The Official 2009 Australian Grand Prix Thread

[rage2]

Sigh... fucking brutal.

Get rid of Piquet and Buemi, flip the results upside down, and it looks believable for last year. Crazy how everything is upside down.

[bart]

WTF is this blackout??? My PVR recorded nothing but a blackout: http://www.speedtv.com/forums/viewthread/412953/

[Eleanor]

Unofficial results:

1. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:26.053 36
2. Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes (B) 1:26.157 + 0.104 38
3. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:26.350 + 0.297 42
4. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:26.370 + 0.317 30
5. Button Brawn-Mercedes (B) 1:26.374 + 0.321 38
6. Glock Toyota (B) 1:26.443 + 0.390 42
7. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) 1:26.560 + 0.507 33
8. Vettel Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:26.740 + 0.687 19
9. Sutil Force India-Mercedes (B) 1:27.040 + 0.987 29
10. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:27.064 + 1.011 35
11. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:27.204 + 1.151 32
12. Alonso Renault (B) 1:27.232 + 1.179 28
13. Fisichella Force India-Mercedes (B) 1:27.282 + 1.229 32
14. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (B) 1:27.317 + 1.264 34
15. Kubica BMW-Sauber (B) 1:27.398 + 1.345 36
16. Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:27.479 + 1.426 36
17. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:27.802 + 1.749 35
18. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:27.813 + 1.760 31
19. Piquet Renault (B) 1:27.828 + 1.775 35
20. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:28.076 + 2.023 33

Yikes McLaren & Ferrari in the second half of the pack & Webber in 4th? Other than Webber, all the other top seven times were run with the diffuser, haha.

You guys are nuts for staying up to watch practice :rofl:

[buh_buh]

11 o'clock isn't that crazy :poosie:
First F1 action of the year combined with the decent start time and I'm definitely watching it with live timing instead of on PVR today.

[Eleanor]

Looking back I guess it was just 1am, I saw Bart's post at 2:38 and thought they were all that late, haha.

I'll content myself with watching the repeat tomorrow at 11 :D

[cloud7]

I bet Honda is watching this and kicking themselves for not staying in F1 for another year.

[rage2]

Honda would've still sucked if they stayed in. Their motor was down 80hp compared to the others.

Actually, they would've still sucked, but sucked a little less than McLaren :rofl:.

[buh_buh]

even so, the Brawn chassis was designed around the Honda engine, and Honda had been working on their KERS for a pretty long time, and was thought to be the most advanced of all the teams before they scrapped the team. And I suspect if Renault was allowed to improve their engine to catch up, so would Honda, although Renault is still slow, but because of the engine or chassis or both remains to be seen.

[kenny]

Massa's "tank slapper" was pretty cool, surprised he didn't lose it based on how everyone else was losing control of their cars.

On a side note, I always thought tank slapper was a term used for bikes, and not cars.

[Mibz]

I LOLed at the top 8 including all the diffuser cars and their loudest opponents.

Vettel hit the grass there two or three times and looked surprised when it happened. I'd imagine the lighting has something to do with it.

This race is going to be garbage for the pool. Low downforce, wide front wings, bumpy turn 1 and shitty lighting is going to make for an absolute clusterfuck in turn 1. I think I'm going to adjust my picks assuming that it's going to be a disaster.

I didn't think I heard a difference in the engines either but after pulling up some videos and comparing the two, it's pretty noticeable.

[rage2]

McLaren PR:

2009 AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX – FREE PRACTICE ANALYSIS

Today’s run programme targeted the following objectives: aero and mechanical set-up work, prime and option tyre evaluation, tyre degradation analysis over a long stint.

HEIKKI KOVALAINEN

P1 programme

“Although the track was very green and slippery, the car felt good from the start of the session,” said Heikki. “Our balance was good, particularly in the high-speed corners, and KERS deployed well, working smoothly throughout both sessions.”

Heikki quickly felt comfortable with the car and the operating window of the tyres, setting a 1m27.982s best – which placed him near the top of the P1 timesheets. He followed it up with a six-lap run (1m27.495s) as the track continued to evolve.

P2 programme

Focus shifted from set-up work to tyre evaluation over longer runs. Heikki completed four runs (four laps/1m28.148s; three laps/1m28.757s (cut short by flat-spotting a tyre at Turn Two); 11 laps/1m28.064s (the first on options); nine laps/1m27.802s).

The time differential between the two compounds didn’t appear to be too marked – and both held up well over the course of a stint.

“A reasonable first day – even if the times don’t properly reflect that,” Heikki said, after finishing 17th on a 1m27.802s. “We saw some decent pace and made some progress which was pleasing for the new guys on my car this year.”


LEWIS HAMILTON

P1 programme

Lewis started with a five-lap run (best time 1m30.105s) to form a baseline for the day’s programme. A later four-lap run saw Lewis visibly working his tyres on his first flying lap, yielded a 1m29.042s. A two-lap, final run of the session produced a best of 1m31.747s.

“The first session didn’t prove too productive for us,” said Lewis. “We worked hard to get the prime tyres to operate effectively, but the track conditions and our set-up made it difficult to get them to work, and it didn’t give me the confidence to push hard.”

P2 programme

Some set-up work between the sessions made Lewis more comfortable. He completed runs of six laps (1m27.958s best), seven laps (1m28.431s), seven laps (1m27.813s) and a shorter, three-lap stint (1m29.438s) to evaluate set-up changes.

“The changes we made after P1 made the car feel much better,” said Lewis. “We’re still working to refine the balance – and we have a number of issues still to address – but we are heading in the right direction.”

While the focus of the run programme precluded the setting of low-fuel fast laps, MP4-24’s speed over a long run looks better than testing indicated, although it is too early to accurately predict overall. Lewis finished the day with a 1m27.813s best, 18th fastest.

MARTIN WHITMARSH – team principal, Vodafone McLaren Mercedes

“We arrived in Australia fully aware that we’d be facing a tough start to the season. But we adhered to a disciplined programme today, focusing on tyre durability work, and weren’t swayed by a desire to post flattering times. Equally, we’re now focusing on implementing the performance steps we’ve planned for the next few races. Overall, then, we’ve made good progress recently but are well aware that we’ve still got a lot of work to do.”

NORBERT HAUG – vice-president, Mercedes-Benz Motorsport

“After the winter tests, we knew that we would have a difficult start into the season. While our car has improved since the Barcelona test, we still have a lot of work to do.”
I'm in no mood to pull up the other team's... :(

[rage2]

Originally posted by kenny
Massa's "tank slapper" was pretty cool, surprised he didn't lose it based on how everyone else was losing control of their cars.
Massa sucks. Everyone else controlled their slides much better.

Good to see Ferrari struggling a bit tho. I don't feel so left behind haha. Both McL and Ferrari were a mess on the track. No traction!

[iceburns288]

Ferrari says their lack of pace in P2 as opposed to P1 is due to testing new aero and weight balance in the Friday P2 session.

[buh_buh]

I think Ferrari's sandbagging. They'll be quick tomorrow.

[H4LFY2nR]

Originally posted by buh_buh
I think Ferrari's sandbagging. They'll be quick tomorrow.

Massa's keeping up in the top 5 for in practice, but raikonnen last lol

[iceburns288]

The reason for Kimi's relative lack of pace in FP2 was that the bars weren't open for FP1... FP2 was at 5 o'clock!:D

[ryanallan]

Kimi only did 5 laps in saturday practice. I wonder if something is wrong. Massa on the other hand is rite up there !
3 guys in the 25's today !
Cant wait for qualifying

And we should be seeing the Brawn cars in Virgin Livery in a couple hours, should be interesting

[DJ Lazy]

Here we go! :clap:

[ryanallan]

Barrichello : 1.25.006 !!

[rage2]

25 flat for brawnGP, just fucking sick.

Both McLarens made Q2! :clap:

[ryanallan]

O no rage, Hamilton problems with drive train ...


neat KERS graphic btw

[DJ Lazy]

Speed seems to have a delay behind TSN eh?

GO McL!!!! Q2!!

BGP.... WOW!! Nicely done

[ryanallan]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Both Brawns 1.24.7, 1.24.8

And now they are both on the front row. Go Button !!

[buh_buh]

HONDA!!!!!!!!!!

Finally, these past 2 years of cheering for a backmarker has paid off!!

[Mibz]

Grats to Button and Barichello. Great times, great driving. I'm left wondering what Red Bull has done to make such a great car without the questionable diffuser though.

[cloud7]

Originally posted by buh_buh
HONDA!!!!!!!!!!

Finally, these past 2 years of cheering for a backmarker has paid off!!

lol... I was once a Honda fan but that was when Villeneuve was still there. Now I am a Brawn GP fan :D Go Barri Go!

[buh_buh]

I've been a Honda fan from the beginning, and I thought they had a shot at legitmate wins after Button won in Hungary in '06, then '07 and '08 were complete writeoffs. I can't fucking believe this. Finally!!!

[DJ Lazy]

I'll cheer for Brawn before Ferrrari anyday.. :D Shame Lewis didn't run in Q2

Tomorrow will be AMAZING to see!!

[cloud7]

Let's hope the two Brawn cars don't run into each other at Turn 1... that would be my worst nightmare.

[Alpine Autowerks]

Originally posted by buh_buh
HONDA!!!!!!!!!!

Finally, these past 2 years of cheering for a backmarker has paid off!!

how do you figure HONDA ... they could not get to the front till they yanked out the honda lump and put in a BENZ customer engine.:)

go Brawn !!!

[Chandler_Racing]

Absolutely, great to see Honda (OK, brawn GP :rofl: ) back in the game.

Kind of reminiscent of the good ol' days.

[rage2]

Race start weights (fuel load) data has been published... and both BrawnGP cars are the 2 heaviest cars in the top 8. They have about 6-8 laps more fuel than anyone else.

So did anyone take that Button bet at 40:1 that I suggested during pre-season testing? :D

[A2VR6]

Hmm interesting, looks like the Toyotas are starting from the back due to stewards finding their rear wings to be too flexible.

Should be a good one.... btw GO BRAWN!

[rage2]

So I'm going over all the published weights, with fuel corrected Q3 times the BrawnGP cars look to be about a second a lap faster than the next team. That's pretty dominating performance, reminiscent of McLaren's '88 dominance (well, for tracks similar to Australia... they were 3s a lap faster on other tracks).

Massa was quoted as saying if BrawnGP continues with this pace, they'll wrap up the Championship by June.

[Inzane]

That was an exciting qualifying session. WOW. :thumbsup:

[buh_buh]

Originally posted by Alpine Autowerks


how do you figure HONDA ... they could not get to the front till they yanked out the honda lump and put in a BENZ customer engine.:)

go Brawn !!! They scrapped the KERS they'd been developing since May '08, and the car wasn't even designed for the Benz engine to begin with and was just thrown in there after 8 months of designing the car around the Honda engine and ran it for a week. I know both guys have said the Benz engine feels a lot better, but tons of sacrifices were made to shoehorn it into their chassis, so I think at best its a wash. I think they'd be just as quick with the Honda engine (and KERS) in the back. The previous piles they'd been driving lacked mechanical and aerodynamic grip, I don't think their biggest problem was in their engine.

And plus, its the usual Honda suspects, even Fry :thumbsdow

Having a MB engine in the back is a little annoying though, because now Rage has an excuse to cheer for them when McLaren's "racing" with Force India and Toro Rosso. The only way this would be sweeter is if they were giving laying beatdowns with a Ferrari engine in the back, not that I'm a Ferrari fan at all.

[Eleanor]

Wow, Brawn is ridiculous :nut:
Very interesting qualifying, it'll be good to see the race.

[bart]

stop calling them honda! if they were honda they'd be last again. they are brawn aka the green thong.

should be an interesting race ;)

[962 kid]

and best of all ...those green pants are gone from the crew.

Brawn said his contract with Honda had a clause that allowed him to NOT wear those pants .

[rage2]

Originally posted by buh_buh
Having a MB engine in the back is a little annoying though, because now Rage has an excuse to cheer for them when McLaren's "racing" with Force India and Toro Rosso. The only way this would be sweeter is if they were giving laying beatdowns with a Ferrari engine in the back, not that I'm a Ferrari fan at all.
haha not at all. I'm proud of what BrawnGP has done, but as you saw last night after Q2, I pretty much gave up and had to endure you screaming when BrawnGP qualified 1-2. I'm not a bandwagoner.

With McLaren doing so shitty, our bet last year that you lost will be even funnier :D.

[nich148_9]

Personally can't wait for

http://nickheer.com/go/3wpc

[H4LFY2nR]

^ "too soon junior." ;)

[Hash_man]

Patiently waiting for race to begin.... :thumbsup: :burnout: :burnout:

[Vagabond142]

5 mins to the start :burnout: :burnout: :burnout:

[Vagabond142]

Holy FUCK was Button off like he was shot out of a cannon

[962 kid]

1 Mclaren down, 1 to go :(

[dubbster]

Lots of problems so far with the cars.

[H4LFY2nR]

DAMMIT NAKAJIMA!!!!!!!!!

[rage2]

You guys sound kinda lonely in this thread... lol

[H4LFY2nR]

Yeah...where'd everyone go? lol

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Hahaha, everyone's at your place!

[Vagabond142]

I'm at home munching nachos :D

Nice restart from Button :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[rage2]

ya we have 9 guys here. Good race.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

It really is, Button is tearing it up out there.

[A2VR6]

Good to see Button running away. Im surprised at how well Buemi is able to hold up Rosberg.

[H4LFY2nR]

I'm impressed with how well Hamilton has caught up

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Aaargh, F1 killed all the streams. I guess I'll find out what happened tomorrow when the torrents are out.

Edit: nvm, found another one.

[rage2]

Hamilton in 6th. :clap:

That'll shut up all the haters saying Hamilton sucks in a shitty car.

[rage2]

OMFG Hamilton is gonna be 4th. Jesus Christ!!!!!

[sl888]

WOW!!!
:eek:

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Hahaha, I can't believe he's still driving with his wheel like that! :rofl:

3rd for Hamilton!!!!! :clap:

[rage2]

3rd!~#@$@!$%@!%!

shit, had to give it back to Trulli. Damn.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

WTF, how did Trulli get in front of Hamilton?

[H4LFY2nR]

Wow..........

freaking vettel had to screw my whole pool lol

[H4LFY2nR]

Slow down Rubens! lol

[A2VR6]

I would of never expected Trulli to finish 3rd and Hamilton 4th... What a race!!!

[rage2]

Looking at everyone's picks, I think I may be in the lead haha. Waiting for official results.

[Vagabond142]

Very very good race. Lots of action :thumbsup:

[Trini]

hell of a race

[cloud7]

Great race and fairy tale ending for Brawn GP. Damn, too bad I didn't join the pool... but, like rage, I don't gamble anyway. LOL! Very satistfying race, I guess I will have a good night sleep tonight instead of thinking about doing OT on a Sunday tomorrow... I mean later on today.

[rage2]

Apparently FIA is looking at Trulli's pass on Hamilton under SC. Hamilton might be promoted to 3rd.

[Mibz]

Hella fun race to watch, especially with a bunch of other fans there. Live timing is the bees knees.

[DJ Lazy]

Good meeting everyone tonight at rage's... was a sweet opening race to the season... Next weekend is gonna be a late night/early morning though... :rofl:

Thanks for hosting rage, awesome watching with some other fans!:thumbsup:

[Mibz]

This pool better smarten the fuck up.

EDIT: If I'd flipped Trulli and Rosberg I'd be thoroughly pwning face. Looks like rage is gonna come out on top thanks to Alonso.

[A2VR6]

Vettel given a 10-place grid penalty in Malaysia for his collision with Kubica...

and wow... Trulli gets a 25 second penalty and gets dropped to 12th for passing Hamilton under the safety car.

[Eleanor]

Wow, just watched the rerun on TSN2.

Damnit Ferrari, not a good way to start the season :(

Congrats to Brawn though, 1-2 finish in their first race :thumbsup:

[Xtrema]

The result make Honda's pull out look stupid.

[rage2]

hahaha I'm kicking ass in the pool. Let's see if I'm as lucky next week.

BTW - Hamilton's officially 3rd now. POS McLaren, last place to podium. In a car that had pace to qualify 15th.

[Mibz]

WTF. They say right on the pool site that when the official points come out, that's how they score it. They don't account for penalties and DQs after the fact. Yet here I am 3 points short because I didn't get any for Trulli. Shit man, I could be in 4th.

[rage2]

Originally posted by Mibz
WTF. They say right on the pool site that when the official points come out, that's how they score it. They don't account for penalties and DQs after the fact. Yet here I am 3 points short because I didn't get any for Trulli. Shit man, I could be in 4th.
Ya, when you watch the end of the race, it says unofficial results on the screen. Official results comes out after the stewards speak to everyone they need to, in which case it was after trulli lost his place, and sign off on the amended results.

http://www.fia.com/public/f1_media/aus09_race_classification.pdf

[DJ Lazy]

:rofl: :rofl: Mclaren 2nd in the Contructors... who would have predicted that, or Lewis in 3rd...

Fuck rage! you cleaned house this first round, you're ranked 92 on that site :rofl:... That Vettel/Kubica accident screwed me up so much for my picks!

[Mibz]

Ya, when you watch the end of the race, it says unofficial results on the screen. Official results comes out after the stewards speak to everyone they need to, in which case it was after trulli lost his place, and sign off on the amended results.Ah. Which is probably why the pool didn't update until later, when the official times were posted. Okay, that makes sense.

Except....

Trulli spins, Hamilton passes. Hamilton's team tells Hamilton to slow down and let Trulli get the position back. Trulli gets penalized for doing so. You see where I'm going with this?

[DJ Lazy]

Originally posted by Mibz
Ah. Which is probably why the pool didn't update until later, when the official times were posted. Okay, that makes sense.

Except....

Trulli spins, Hamilton passes. Hamilton's team tells Hamilton to slow down and let Trulli get the position back. Trulli gets penalized for doing so. You see where I'm going with this?

Really Hamilton had no choice but to pass Trulli if Trulli spun off the track... I don't see how it should be legal for you to reclaim a spot during a safety car if you run off the road. Trulli made a mistake a it cost him under the new rules.


Trulli ran off road near the end of the race, thus losing a place to McLaren’s Lewis Hamilton, but then repassed the world champion once he had rejoined the circuit.

Hamilton really had no choice but to pass, he can't stop and wait for Trulli to get back in line. :dunno: Stewards obviously saw it as Trulli making a mistake going off, and then passing later under the safety car. That's kinda how I understand it anyways.. :D

[Mibz]

Well yeah, I don't blame Hamilton for passing him. I'm just saying that he shouldn't have been penalized for Hamilton letting him get past. I bet both McLaren and Toyota thought that they were doing the right thing by having Trulli get his position back. I bet McLaren thought -they'd- get penalized if they didn't let Trulli take 3rd.

I dunno, just seems like a shitty situation for Trulli because I don't think he, nor his team, would have made the pass had they thought it was illegal.

[buh_buh]

doesn't matter. Trulli broke the rule regardless of whether he or the team knew it or not. This is f1. Nothing has to, nor will it make sense.

[Mibz]

Originally posted by buh_buh
doesn't matter. Trulli broke the rule regardless of whether he or the team knew it or not. This is f1. Nothing has to, nor will it make sense. Touche.

Apparently Toyota's going to appeal that the punishment was too harsh. I agree with them, but we'll see how it goes.

[buh_buh]

imo I don't think it was too harsh. I do however think Vettel's penalty was too harsh. I think that was a racing incident, and was probably both of their faults. Vettel for not giving way, but also Kubica for not giving Vettel enough room.

[rage2]

Originally posted by DJ Lazy
Fuck rage! you cleaned house this first round, you're ranked 92 on that site :rofl:... That Vettel/Kubica accident screwed me up so much for my picks!
If Vettel/Kubica didn't crash, I would've had 7 out of 8 picks in the top 8 for a total of 43 points. Now I'm down to 31 :(.

[DJ Lazy]

Originally posted by rage2

If Vettel/Kubica didn't crash, I would've had 7 out of 8 picks in the top 8 for a total of 43 points. Now I'm down to 31 :(.

If they wouldn't have taken each other out, they would have taken 2nd and 3rd.. which would have kept Barichello farther down the list, so you would have lost some points with choosing Bari to come 2nd.. I think.. :nut: hahah!

Well our sub-league is ranked 22nd... not bad considering the size of it.. :D

[rage2]

Originally posted by DJ Lazy
If they wouldn't have taken each other out, they would have taken 2nd and 3rd.. which would have kept Barichello farther down the list, so you would have lost some points with choosing Bari to come 2nd.. I think.. :nut: hahah!
Yep, but it makes my Alonso and Glock picks next to spot on, thus lots of points haha.

[rawsensation]

Originally posted by rage2
hahaha I'm kicking ass in the pool. Let's see if I'm as lucky next week.

BTW - Hamilton's officially 3rd now. POS McLaren, last place to podium. In a car that had pace to qualify 15th.

Hopefully that will silence the haters :rolleyes:

[ryanallan]

uhhh I dont like this pool.

usually when a ferrari drops out my heart sinks, but when kimi hit the wall I felt a small relief. this is not good. if truli wouldn't have doped out I would have been tied for third :banghead:

i really like the KERS graphic, hopefully they will show it more often.

cant wait for next week :burnout:

[iceburns288]

I think Vettel's penalty was shitty. The fact he was racing for 2nd (er... got chopped for 2nd) and didn't get any points was punishment enough. Besides, shit happens and it was as much Kubica's fault because he didn't end up outbraking Vettel by as much as he thought he would.

[DJ Lazy]

Originally posted by iceburns288
I think Vettel's penalty was shitty. The fact he was racing for 2nd (er... got chopped for 2nd) and didn't get any points was punishment enough. Besides, shit happens and it was as much Kubica's fault because he didn't end up outbraking Vettel by as much as he thought he would.

I agree... Either both should have been penalized, or neither of them at all.

[bart]

vettel sucks balls, i hate the guy, ever since he appeared in f1! haha

after vettel, hamilton is a close 2nd ;)

[rage2]

Originally posted by bart
vettel sucks balls, i hate the guy, ever since he appeared in f1! haha

after vettel, hamilton is a close 2nd ;)
wtf? you hate talent or something? Who do you cheer for Massa? :rofl:

[forkdork]

Evidently theres video footage that goes against Trulli's penality. Apparently he went off the track a slight whilst behind the SC and thats when Hamilton passed, he is technically allowed to re-pass if this is the case.

So what exactly happened with Toyota's rear wing penalty? Who pointed out the excessive flexibility in it?

[rage2]

Originally posted by forkdork
Evidently theres video footage that goes against Trulli's penality. Apparently he went off the track a slight whilst behind the SC and thats when Hamilton passed, he is technically allowed to re-pass if this is the case.
There is no re-pass rule. The rule states that if the car in front has a problem, then you are allowed to pass it during a safety car period.

4RGuS2PxZEE

You'll see from the video that Trulli goes completely off track, and Hamilton makes the pass before he's back on the track, which made it legal. You'll also see Glock go off, and shortly after that, Alonso passes Vettel, who has 3 wheels, who's also deemed to have a problem, thus making the pass legal.

What the problem with Trulli's penalty is that he passed Hamilton because Hamilton slowed down on the track to let him pass. McLaren had NO clue if Hamilton's pass while Trulli was offtrack was legal or not, because FIA is fucking retarded. Hamilton didn't want to risk it and slowed down, so he had a defense if he was to be called up. Trulli made the pass. This is what broke the rules. FIA called them in after the race (there was no McLaren protest apparently, they were more than happy with 4th haha) and handed down the 25s drive thru penalty to Trulli.

As with last year's Hamilton Spa penalty, drive thru penalties are unappealable.

All this could've been avoided if there's some competency with the FIA and race control. Radio up race control, ask them if the Hamilton pass was ok, or if they should let trulli by, or check to see if Trulli should get 3rd back or stay in 4th, and solve it within a few corners. Unfortunately, last year at Spa it's proved that Race Control has no say in any of this (Charlie Whiting said the pass was OK while Hamilton got a penalty), so it's purely a guessing game to see who did it right and who gets slapped with a penalty.

In Champcar races back in the day, you don't even have to radio race control. They'll just tell whomever to give the position back before the green if there was a mistake made in the running order. Simple.


Originally posted by forkdork
So what exactly happened with Toyota's rear wing penalty? Who pointed out the excessive flexibility in it?
Nobody pointed it out. It failed the FIA scrutineering test.

[bart]

Originally posted by rage2

wtf? you hate talent or something? Who do you cheer for Massa? :rofl:

i cheer for kubica 1st, then heidfeld cause its his teammate, if both are out, then anyone else besides hamilton and vettel ;)

[bashir26]

very good race. I really wanted vettel and kubica to get some points.