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rice_eater
10-22-2003, 08:39 PM
already up on the dyno

jdmakkord
10-22-2003, 08:40 PM
And the #'s???

szw
10-22-2003, 08:48 PM
Guy in edmonton got 227hp and 251ft-lb, uncorrected numbers.
http://jameschong.com/images/COREY-SRT4-ALL-SAE.jpg
http://jameschong.com/images/COREY-SRT4-ALL-UNCORRECTED.jpg

/////AMG
10-22-2003, 08:50 PM
How much is the car base and fully loaded?

hinggu
10-22-2003, 08:52 PM
not too sure, but went on the dodge website yesterday and it was starting at somewhere around 26500

Shaolin
10-22-2003, 09:02 PM
yeah i checked last week, basically 27Gs including PDI and all that jazz.. not including GST though i don't think.

That.Guy.S30
10-22-2003, 09:19 PM
those are some impressive numbers on the dyno

pinoyhero
10-22-2003, 09:41 PM
Damn that's a whole lot of car for that kind of money.

Maxt
10-22-2003, 09:46 PM
Thats pretty smokin for a factory car...to bad about the package it comes in though, sometimes chrysler gets its right, sometime not, when you look at the prowler and then this, sometimes they give the lookers ass engines, and the give the movers ass looks, the only time they got it right was the stealth and viper....Hopefull they learn to put that engine in something sportier and rwd..Maxt

thich
10-22-2003, 10:08 PM
well i'm sorta hoping Toyota, Mazda or Nissan would put out something in that price range in RWD.... :(
wutever happened to those good ol' days?

RSRT-4
10-22-2003, 10:17 PM
Actually the Third one in cowtown there was a yellow one and a silver one at crowfoot . Yellow one was first one sold in calgary and they very in price from dealer to dealer,


Varsity was askin $30630

Crowfoot wanted $29 --- For the silver one

and a dealer in edmonton was asking $33000

-APEX-
10-22-2003, 10:27 PM
thats messed i seen some addins in some canadain tuner mags and it was supposed to be under 20,000

szw
10-22-2003, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by -APEX-
thats messed i seen some addins in some canadain tuner mags and it was supposed to be under 20,000

no way

Team_Mclaren
10-22-2003, 10:36 PM
i think thats 20000 us

5.9 R/T
10-22-2003, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by thich
well i'm sorta hoping Toyota, Mazda or Nissan would put out something in that price range in RWD.... :(
wutever happened to those good ol' days?

Toyota will never offer anything priced as a 'good deal' anymore because of the rep they now have. Just look at the way they sell vehicles. They think they have the best product, in terms of reliability anyways, and they know people will pay a premium for it, and people do.


Originally posted by -APEX-
thats messed i seen some addins in some canadain tuner mags and it was supposed to be under 20,000

Must have been USD, I'd check that again.

Boost Infested
10-22-2003, 10:40 PM
haha, sorry bud, we had the first srt 4 in calgary...back in Aug' ;) it was from Seatle :D well have fun with your new car. :thumbsup:

egmike
10-22-2003, 10:40 PM
nice numbers ... how much they weighing in at?

thich
10-22-2003, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by 5.9 R/T


Toyota will never offer anything priced as a 'good deal' anymore because of the rep they now have. Just look at the way they sell vehicles. They think they have the best product, in terms of reliability anyways, and they know people will pay a premium for it, and people do.

good point.... let's not also forget "ACCESS TOYOTA" that stupid set pricing crap screws us all over :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

EK 2.0
10-22-2003, 10:46 PM
SRT-4...that is one bad ass car man...I have been studying the engine build methods, and it has some really neat-o technology wrapped up in a pretty vanilla wrapper...Big Ups to Daimler-Chrysler...

rice_eater
10-22-2003, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by Boost Infested
haha, sorry bud, we had the first srt 4 in calgary...back in Aug' ;) it was from Seatle :D well have fun with your new car. :thumbsup:

BUT it wasn't the first one owned by a local:nut:

rx7_turbo2
10-22-2003, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by thich


good point.... let's not also forget "ACCESS TOYOTA" that stupid set pricing crap screws us all over :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Lets call it what it is:

ACCESS TOYOTA=PRICE FIXING

Now as for the SRT4. Anybody tried to upgrade the turbo yet? I read somewhere the turbo exhuast housing and the manifold are one piece, this might make things a little harder?

finboy
10-22-2003, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


Lets call it what it is:

ACCESS TOYOTA=PRICE FIXING

Now as for the SRT4. Anybody tried to upgrade the turbo yet? I read somewhere the turbo exhuast housing and the manifold are one piece, this might make things a little harder?

i wouldn't think it too bad, there are already a couple people making tube headers for them.

rx7_turbo2
10-22-2003, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by finboy


i wouldn't think it too bad, there are already a couple people making tube headers for them.

I heard it was a tight sqeeze. Has anybody started monkeying around with the stock unit, ie. boost controller. Any guess' as to what hp the stock turbo on a stock motor can do?

Phuqu
10-22-2003, 11:31 PM
The black car was not the first SRT in Calgary. There have been others. But guess what? Who cares?

There has been a silver 03 here for a few months. Do I care? No.

If you feel like you have to say your the first this or the first that go ahead.


Won't get any ego points from me.

There are 2004 SRT's roaming the street and they are great cars for the money. I'd like to see comparable all around value in another car for the same amount of $.

If you see one just ask the owner to see it. You will be surprised.

It's fast. It's ride is nice. A very nice car to drive.

Right out the box it's tough to beat the value.

So for anyone that is counting. I think unofficially it is the 3rd 2004 SRT in the city. Unofficially the first black one. Unofficially the first one to have it's first oil change at 1000km. Unofficially the first one to open the sunroof on a cloudy day. I'm not 100% who opened it first on a sunny day. You get my point.

Anyway enjoy the rest of the thread. Hopefully it doesn't get out of control.

Now that it is broken in I'll see about posting some more dyno charts for the masses.

-APEX-
10-22-2003, 11:31 PM
i was told the srt4 could easily beat a honda accord or prelude in a 1/4 mile and there was some post on the net clasming thta it could beat a stock imprezza wrx

Phuqu
10-22-2003, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


I heard it was a tight sqeeze. Has anybody started monkeying around with the stock unit, ie. boost controller. Any guess' as to what hp the stock turbo on a stock motor can do?

For more fun you can check out www.srtforums.com.


Don't believe everything though. There are a bunch of people who just bag on their SRT's and expect miracles.

I'd like to see any car handle 20+ lbs and survive.

18lbs and the SRT is just inefficient.

CDN 2004's hold 15lbs. It's all taken care of by the computer. You can trick it but YMMV and personally I'll let the Mopar Stage 1, 2 and 3 be my mod list.

At least you know it's been properly R&D'd.

CelicaST-162
10-22-2003, 11:37 PM
Well of course the SRT-4 would smoke the Accord and the Prelude!! But It be a good race with the SRT-4 and the WRX.

Hollywood
10-22-2003, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by szw
Guy in edmonton got 227hp and 251ft-lb, uncorrected numbers.
http://jameschong.com/images/COREY-SRT4-ALL-SAE.jpg
http://jameschong.com/images/COREY-SRT4-ALL-UNCORRECTED.jpg


Woh, Woh, Woh Woh! All you guys are fighting about stupid stuff like who's is first? Beats an accord.....yey!

With all these posts no one has mentioned the fucked up torque curve!!!!:thumbsdow Max you let me down....:D

That.Guy.S30
10-22-2003, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by CelicaST-162
Well of course the SRT-4 would smoke the Accord and the Prelude!! But It be a good race with the SRT-4 and the WRX.

haha no it wouldnt.. the srt would destroy the wrx stock for stock.. even tho im a impreza lover you have to give props to a car that deserves it. the srt is doin 215 at wheels? the impreza is barely doin 200 depending on the dyno.

rx7_turbo2
10-22-2003, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by -APEX-
i was told the srt4 could easily beat a honda accord or prelude in a 1/4 mile

That's not all that tough:dunno:

rice_eater
10-22-2003, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by Hollywood

Woh, Woh, Woh Woh! All you guys are fighting about stupid stuff like who's is first?


not at all! i was just happy to see that they are finally out there and thought i'd spread the word :nut:

Phuqu
10-22-2003, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by Hollywood



Woh, Woh, Woh Woh! All you guys are fighting about stupid stuff like who's is first? Beats an accord.....yey!

With all these posts no one has mentioned the fucked up torque curve!!!!:thumbsdow Max you let me down....:D


We are trying to nail that down. A few of them have had the little drop. As soon as we figure it out what it is we'll let you know.

Still it pulls very, very nice.

5.9 R/T
10-23-2003, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by -APEX-
i was told the srt4 could easily beat a honda accord or prelude in a 1/4 mile and there was some post on the net clasming thta it could beat a stock imprezza wrx

Only if the prelude or accord didn't have an aero kit for added downforce on the 1/4 mile.

cocoabrova
10-23-2003, 01:16 PM
I wouldn't mind running with a stock/Stage 1 modded SRT-4 next summer @ SS:) Definitely good competition for all the sport compacts in the ~$30K range:thumbsup:

Hollywood
10-23-2003, 06:21 PM
What can be better than 26,900 msrp, up to stage 3 upgrades done through the dealership ALL WARRANTY! And all financed into 1 package. You could trash that car all the time then take it back to get fixed on warranty!

Too bad its FWD.

What ever happened to the dodge Razor it had the same engine and RWD....And super light!

LancerShelby
10-23-2003, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by cocoabrova
I wouldn't mind running with a stock/Stage 1 modded SRT-4 next summer @ SS:) Definitely good competition for all the sport compacts in the ~$30K range:thumbsup: Unless your running 13's, they'll roast you and me(currently). I still like your car though!

I amagine a bigger turbo would solve the torque curve dip.

rx7_turbo2
10-23-2003, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Hollywood
What can be better than 26,900 msrp, up to stage 3 upgrades done through the dealership ALL WARRANTY! And all financed into 1 package. You could trash that car all the time then take it back to get fixed on warranty!

Too bad its FWD.

What ever happened to the dodge Razor it had the same engine and RWD....And super light!

Agreed

Nothing is better than having some good power and a warranty to back it up. Hopefully the dealership will have people that know what their doing with it. I do not like fwd either, no matter whatt you do to it, it just never feels right.

Weapon_R
10-23-2003, 07:00 PM
Has anyone considered the pricing of these factory upgrades? I imagine they would be astronomical...

Ebbsvette
10-23-2003, 07:00 PM
Razor project was scrapped.....was gonna be awsome tho....no luxeries....est. price was like 15grand.....thing was awsome

Maxt
10-23-2003, 07:15 PM
That torque is not that bad, I have seen worse.. Its not your typical viagra induced turbo graph, its actually rather broad..It looks like another throttle body opened or cam timing was changed half way through the run... Interesting..
But 30k is alot of money.... for something that is still, a neon..
Lets see what the Chrysler warranty program is like with this one, I love mopars, but their dealers suck massive amounts of ass, and chryslers is usually pretty good at finding ways to charge people for repairs on hotter cars, that should be covered under warranty... The only thing worse than a chrysler dealer, is a mazda dealer....Maxt

soloracer
10-23-2003, 08:34 PM
Agreed. What I did find that was cool though was that you could upgrade the injectors/chips/coil overs right from the factory and cheap too. The injector/chip upgrade is $399 US and gives 240 hp / 265 ft-lbs torque Link to Upgrades (http://www.mopar.com/perf_srt.htm) I think dodge should be commended for this effort. Now if only the could convert the car to rear wheel drive like Max suggests we would be onto something ;)

cocoabrova
10-23-2003, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by LancerShelby
Unless your running 13's, they'll roast you and me(currently). I still like your car though!

I amagine a bigger turbo would solve the torque curve dip.
Yes, well, with the plans I have for next year, I 'should' be running 13's:D

whatthe
10-23-2003, 11:39 PM
I would think the funky torque curve is a result of engine management more than anything. Whether it is simply emissions/fuel mileage requirements or if it is a matter of learned timing/fuel/boost corrections on this particular neon... who knows. Also, given that the neon ECUs compensate boost for hot days and altitude to make the same power... it's possilbe it's just simply the boost curve. Most dyno graphs you see on the neons oddly enough are from 3000rpms+...

The turbo is small although it really shouldn't have a dip in the middle of the band because of it.. it should just die out up top. Look at the torque/hp curves in the factory 'Stage II' upgrade so you can see what I mean.

finboy
10-23-2003, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by Ebbsvette
Razor project was scrapped.....was gonna be awsome tho....no luxeries....est. price was like 15grand.....thing was awsome

mmm, 6 speed, 2.4 turbo, 2 seater, 2 door, 250 hp, :poosie:

Phuqu
10-24-2003, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by soloracer
Agreed. and cheap too. The injector/chip upgrade is $399 US and gives 240 hp / 265 ft-lbs torque Link to Upgrades (http://www.mopar.com/perf_srt.htm) I think dodge should be commended for this effort.


This Stage 1 is just for the US model 2003's.

CDN models already have the injectors. Quite possibly the ECU. It's rumoured the CDN Stage 1 will just be the ECU as the injectors are larger than the US 2003's. But until I see the P/N at work for a CDN 2004 I'll just have to guess for now.

Should have another dyno testing tomorrow night to see what a K&N filter and some lightweight Centerlines do.

trendkill
10-24-2003, 05:17 AM
i saw a yellow one on deerfoot yesterday at about 4:30ish...looked preety good...

CRXguy
10-25-2003, 10:06 PM
So who drove the blue SRT on Barlow Tr southbound around 9:30 tonight? It does look pretty cool!

90_Shelby
10-26-2003, 11:58 AM
The irregular torque curve is due to the engine management system/boost controlling. If you watch the boost gauge when driving an SRT-4 you will see that Dodge has a lot of control on boost pressures and turbo output.


P.S. Cocoabravo, NICE!!!!!

RSRT-4
10-26-2003, 12:43 PM
Yeah I met the Guy with the blue srt-4 last night and he's already dyno'd it aswell lot smoother lines on the dyno :dunno: but still same numbers as the Black one :D

finboy
10-26-2003, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by RSRT-4
Yeah I met the Guy with the blue srt-4 last night and he's already dyno'd it aswell lot smoother lines on the dyno :dunno: but still same numbers as the Black one :D

the dyno sheet is actually from one up in edmonton that was bone stock, but so is his. he drove to van city to bring it back, and i finally got a ride in it. it doesn't creek, squeak, or have rust, in short, it makes my jetta look REALLY bad :D :rolleyes:

rice_eater
10-26-2003, 11:14 PM
gonna try to help the guy out since he's done it for me so many times...the car is for sale!!! Take a look!

http://www.apexmodified.ca/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=489

cocoabrova
10-26-2003, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by 90_Shelby
The irregular torque curve is due to the engine management system/boost controlling. If you watch the boost gauge when driving an SRT-4 you will see that Dodge has a lot of control on boost pressures and turbo output.


P.S. Cocoabravo, NICE!!!!!

Haha, thanks....I'm just trying to keep up with the TD guys:)


Originally posted by rice_eater
gonna try to help the guy out since he's done it for me so many times...the car is for sale!!! Take a look!

http://www.apexmodified.ca/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=489
Is this is the same one that's mentioned in this thread?

Hollywood
10-26-2003, 11:54 PM
The probly scrapped the razor because then no one would buy the SRT neon then since the razor would be cheaper than a neon (22K CAD), faster than a neon, lighter than the neon, it's RWD- neons weakness, and looks 1 million times better than a neon.

To me this is where dodge screwed up. Such great possibilities.....down the toilet. I probly would have bought one.

http://www.edmunds.com/media/news/concept.car/dodge.razor/dodge.razor.f34.500.jpg

finboy
10-27-2003, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by Hollywood
The probly scrapped the razor because then no one would buy the SRT neon then since the razor would be cheaper than a neon (22K CAD), faster than a neon, lighter than the neon, it's RWD- neons weakness, and looks 1 million times better than a neon.

To me this is where dodge screwed up. Such great possibilities.....down the toilet. I probly would have bought one.

http://www.edmunds.com/media/news/concept.car/dodge.razor/dodge.razor.f34.500.jpg

indeed.

i would much rather go with a rwd 2 seater than a fwd four door.

Ben
10-27-2003, 12:02 AM
SRT-4
engine:

Ben
10-27-2003, 12:02 AM
FMIC :drool:

Ben
10-27-2003, 12:02 AM
Shit to make the car steer and stop:

5.9 R/T
10-27-2003, 12:05 AM
Now if they could just get their asses together and give me the SRT 10 all would be well.

Thats a bloody huge FMIC too, quite a bit larger then the Turbo PT Crusiers.

Ben
10-27-2003, 12:08 AM
yes.

stock. :(

rice_eater
10-27-2003, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by cocoabrova

Is this is the same one that's mentioned in this thread?

it is the same car...and with dynos too...some one should pick this up