Advice on BMW 2009 335xi

[smartbing.liu]

Hey guys:
I've been reading a lot of the threads here and love the environment!
I've decided to buy my first BMW, it's gonna be a 335xi ( live in Calgary, lots of SNOW :( )

I've got the following Quote and looking for your advice: ( Price all in CAD)

PL33- 335xi sedan ------ $51500
ZKJ - M Sport Package --$ 3500
ZKK - 6 Speed AT/ M Steptrc --$ 1700
488 Lumbar Support ---- $ 400
6FL - USB Audio $ 425

Other Dealer Charges:
Winter Mats and Trunk Tray Kit --- $ 280
Freight and PDI - 3 Series --------$ 2395
Insurance Reg --------$ 395
Tire/Air Tax --------------------------$ 116
Full Fascial Hood Guard --------$ 895

Total Sale Price ----------$ 63006 (CAD)
GST ----------$ 3150

Sub Total -----------$ 66156.3

I didn't go with the Exectutive and Navigation Package since I don't think it's much of useful.

I have following conerns/questions:
1) The interior color now don't have Coral Red, and I chose the "ZSP" special Orders(400) and wantted to order Coral Red Dakota Leather as ZSP ( cost 1000), but the dealer replied me today said BMW won't do any color other than the given ones, well, then what is the speicla order for?

2) I know when I come to the payment I can try to bargin with the sales/dealer, how much would you think I can bargin off, and on what parts? Any experiences?

3) The lease rate for May is 2.9% now, I'm not sure about June, anyone have any good guess on June's rate, will 1.9% be possible? If so I'll just wait one more week then.

4) The BMW Service in town is pretty lame. Should I go through the Insurance Plans with the dealer, ask in details about if anything goes wrong, and blah blah, then ask them to write down any commitment they say?

Thanks for anyone reads such a long post, but it's my first car to buy and it's a Bimmer, wanna make the right choice.

Best Wishes.

[AMFH403]

I say you should get the sound package and navagation. The sound package sounds better then the base sound system. The navigation is only 2000 dollers now might as well get for resale purposes and i'm pretty sure it has better features for 09.

[rc2002]

I know someone who bought an in stock 135i. Price was negotiable - more than 10% off retail.

[Aleks]

That freight and pdi charge is insane,
Also the insurance registration can be waived on all the other cars I've ever bought so I am guessing you can tell them to take it off at BMW as well?

If I were you I would check carcostcanada and pull an invoice price on the car. That way you'll have some idea of what the markup is.

[benyl]

I would wait for 2010. It is just around the corner. Possible ZHP and DCT coming.

[nj2Type-S]

how much room for negotiating do you have when shopping for premium cars i.e. bmw, benz, etc? i am sort of under the impression that if you don't want to pay for what they're asking for, someone else will. of course the current economic situation will help consumers but generally speaking, how much would you be able to save by negotiating?

[The_Rural_Juror]

Skip the winter mats. They are junk. Same for the Hood guard. You can get it done a lot cheaper elsewhere (tinting illusions) and they will 3M the headlights for free too.

[2EFNFAST]

Almost 70k for a 3series? YIKES! i didn't think they were that expensive :eek:

Have you thought about buying an 05-07 //M (either 3 or 5). I think a low mileaged one would be a much better buy for that much money.

[Aleks]

Originally posted by nj2Type-S
how much room for negotiating do you have when shopping for premium cars i.e. bmw, benz, etc? i am sort of under the impression that if you don't want to pay for what they're asking for, someone else will. of course the current economic situation will help consumers but generally speaking, how much would you be able to save by negotiating?

All depends on time of year, stock etc. Last december/january you could get up to 10K off on any 3 series in stock and close to 18K off on M3s AND 1% financing :thumbsup:

[scat19]

Good luck with what you decide. However, I agree with the 2010 comment.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by scat19
Good luck with what you decide. However, I agree with the 2010 comment.

You think they will release a bunch of stuff for 2010 instead of waiting for FMC for 2011?

[benyl]

What is FMC?

LCI for the sedan was 2009 model. The LCI for the coupe should be 2010. The LCI for the coupe will likely co-inside with the M-performance edition (bump in power). Also, I believe that DCT has been confirmed for 2010 in the US anyway. It is likely that we will get it too as the trend as of late has been to decontent US vehicles and load up Canadian vehicles to justify the MSRP difference.

[Xtrema]

^ FMC = Full Model Change

Nevermind, I guess BMW never run a 5-6 year model cycles.

They are more like 7 to 8.

[ZorroAMG]

7-8 AND the FMC is always preceded by a last ditch effort to sell previous models with new features and changes.

[scat19]

Originally posted by benyl
What is FMC?

LCI for the sedan was 2009 model. The LCI for the coupe should be 2010. The LCI for the coupe will likely co-inside with the M-performance edition (bump in power). Also, I believe that DCT has been confirmed for 2010 in the US anyway. It is likely that we will get it too as the trend as of late has been to decontent US vehicles and load up Canadian vehicles to justify the MSRP difference.

Exactly. They just brought out the new front/rear (mostly tail lights and head lights) for the e90 sedan. There will be a bit of a refresh for the coupe.

[civic_rida]

Dont like how the 09 sedans look. I know its just minor changes but the hood looks ugly in my oppinoun.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by civic_rida
Dont like how the 09 sedans look. I know its just minor changes but the hood looks ugly in my oppinoun.

Never find the sedan good looking, refresh or not.

Coupe looks good but it's getting a bit boring into it's 5th year.

[benyl]

5th year?

The coupe came out in 2007. 2009 is the 3rd year. Hence the 4th year model refresh in 2010.

[B4tMan]

I'd have bought the 535 xi if it wouldn't have been for the overall horrible interior available in those cars

if one wants a status car, I guess your option would be decent, but to me, an European buyer who still appreciated BMW, tThere are better valued options out there

[bashir26]

Have you looked at what Mercedes and Lexus are offering? $67,000 is tons for a 3 series sedan!

[you&me]

Originally posted by bashir26
Have you looked at what Mercedes and Lexus are offering? $67,000 is tons for a 3 series sedan!

... without Navi!

[RC-Cola]

It might be a bit of work, but it might be worth while going on Car Cost Canada's website to see how much room they have in the price for negotiation.

Also it might be worth while calling other dealerships including out of the city. I've heard the Edmonton dealership is friendly/easier to deal with. One of the guys at work just bought a 5 series from Vancouver because the dealers here wouldn't budge on price.

It's tough dealing with sale guys here on 3 series becuase there is such a demand for them in Calgary, the 3 series is the Honda Civic equilivent in luxury cars, you see them everywhere!

[benyl]

The Lease rate might be low, but so is the residual. I would get an early 2010 model. Even with a higher interest rate, you residual will be higher and thus your payment could actually be lower.

You can't get much MB for $67K either. My 335 was nearly $70K, but I got Navi :poosie:

[you&me]

Originally posted by benyl
The Lease rate might be low, but so is the residual. I would get an early 2010 model. Even with a higher interest rate, you residual will be higher and thus your payment could actually be lower.

You can't get much MB for $67K either. My 335 was nearly $70K, but I got Navi :poosie:

Except for the C63 that bases at $63!

As for the OP wanting AWD for Calgary winters - completely unfounded... just get a set of good winter tires!

[benyl]

Originally posted by you&me

Except for the C63 that bases at $63!


Sure.

$63K Base car
$2K Gas guzzler Tax
$2K Freight PDI
$3,350 GST
=
$70K+ with absolutely no options.

Performance package = $4K
Premium Package = $5K

[jongc]

Just giving some ideas to smartbing.liu, if l were you l would buy the 335d because it is great on fuel consumption, almost identical features, engine will last you for a long time and don't forget the monstrous torque on that machine :burnout: , just my $.02!

[you&me]

Originally posted by benyl


Sure.

$63K Base car
$2K Gas guzzler Tax
$2K Freight PDI
$3,350 GST
=
$70K+ with absolutely no options.

Performance package = $4K
Premium Package = $5K


But you don't need either the Performance or Premium packs to match the spec of the 335Xi that the OP is looking at. So out the door, same spec, the C63 is ~8% more...

In the long run, I don't think it will be hard to predict which will have a higher resale.

[Redlyne_mr2]

I'm going to take a wild guess but judging by the fact that the OP is pricing out an XI, i'm assuming he wants awd. :D

[blownz]

smartbing.liu - have you actually asked the dealer what the rebates are like right now?

My buddy just factory ordered a 335xi last month and he got free auto transmission and I think a 4k rebate and 2k off. + or - a bit on those, but I know he said the overall discount worked out to over 7k off the regular price. That was cash purchase though.

[you&me]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2
I'm going to take a wild guess but judging by the fact that the OP is pricing out an XI, i'm assuming he wants awd. :D

And as I said, with a good set of winter tires, there's no need to limit choices in this segment... Just saying...

[AMFH403]

benyl is right man. The C63 is supposed to competing with the M3. And without options is a pretty base car lol... Plus the rates are probobly a lot higher as well. And OP did state he wants a car with AWD and i don't think a high preformance gas guzzling RWD sedan is what he needs. Maybe the OP should go with the new A6 as another option:dunno: It's more different then the 3 Series in Calgary.

[w_man]

Just my .02 cents.

I would deff try and find an 08 model with low KMs ... It'll be the best value and I think you would be able to negotiate a good price. If you are very particular about colors then it'll be tough but I'm not sure where you stand on that.

I would personally even look in and around Vancouver area for nice 335xi ... if you can get a good car, it would be a great drive through the mountains too.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by w_man
Just my .02 cents.

I would deff try and find an 08 model with low KMs ... It'll be the best value and I think you would be able to negotiate a good price. If you are very particular about colors then it'll be tough but I'm not sure where you stand on that.

I would personally even look in and around Vancouver area for nice 335xi ... if you can get a good car, it would be a great drive through the mountains too.
You have to look at the total cost of the car. OP is either leasing or financing, leasing a used car is not the best idea and a car loan on a used car is 6-11% unless you go through a dealer. Plus some people don't like having used cars. :)

[benyl]

Originally posted by you&me



But you don't need either the Performance or Premium packs to match the spec of the 335Xi that the OP is looking at. So out the door, same spec, the C63 is ~8% more...

In the long run, I don't think it will be hard to predict which will have a higher resale.

Ok. you win.

I don't know what I am talking about.

The residual on the C63 is 55% at best after 3 years. The 335 has a residual of 61% (early in the model year).

So yes, you are correct in terms of how easy it is to predict which will have better resale.

The 335 also takes about 2/3 of the fuel the C63 takes and thus opens up a much larger market of potential buyers. The 335 is also cheap to mod, the C63, not so much.

The 335 also includes maintenance for 4 years. The C63 does not. Service A is quoted a $700 and Service B at over $1000.

[you&me]

Originally posted by benyl


Ok. you win.

I don't know what I am talking about.

The residual on the C63 is 55% at best after 3 years. The 335 has a residual of 61% (early in the model year).

So yes, you are correct in terms of how easy it is to predict which will have better resale.

The 335 also takes about 2/3 of the fuel the C63 takes and thus opens up a much larger market of potential buyers. The 335 is also cheap to mod, the C63, not so much.

The 335 also includes maintenance for 4 years. The C63 does not. Service A is quoted a $700 and Service B at over $1000.


Ok, you win :D

(And the OP wants AWD!)

[911fever]

Originally posted by bashir26
Have you looked at what Mercedes and Lexus are offering? $67,000 is tons for a 3 series sedan!

no kidding!!!

[smartbing.liu]

Thanks so much for so many kindly replies.
I guess I'll go with the black interior with red ex, since red interior is only available for coupes.

I'm financing so I guess WOW 7K discount is a dream for me.

I pulled out a carcostcanada invoice saying the wholesale price is like 55000 without Navi, and 58800 with Navi and Shift Paddles.
( including sound pkg for both)

Well, one thing cannot decide is the Navi Pkg. Is it a must have feature that most people love? I'm just not that into Navi systems, and heard that iDirve is not that good. I can simply use my iphone or a even GPS to do the job.

Me wrong? Any ideas?

Thanks and aprpeciated guys.

[atgilchrist]

IMHO, the Nav system is worth it for resale value. And I think the newer iDrive system is suppposed to be much easier to use.:dunno:

[smartbing.liu]

BTW, I'm gonna order a July/August production.
Well, if want a 10 model, probably have to wait till end of year to get the car, and I guess there's won't be that much differences?

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by atgilchrist
IMHO, the Nav system is worth it for resale value. And I think the newer iDrive system is suppposed to be much easier to use.:dunno:

I find Nav system pretty useless unless you travel out of town a lot.

But looks bling.

[realazy]

Yes, the navi does factor into resale, but you pay more and you sell more. It's not something that will make your car worth much more than one without.

[RC-Cola]

Originally posted by atgilchrist
IMHO, the Nav system is worth it for resale value. And I think the newer iDrive system is suppposed to be much easier to use.:dunno:

The new '09 1, 3 and 7 series all have the newer iDrive system which is much nicer then the older one. Much faster and easier to use for sure.

In the 3 series it is an added feature that adds to the resale. You don't see many of them on the street in the 3 series.