Okay heres the deal. Nissan and Honda

[Nissan_Fanboy]

Okay Hello Everyone.

Soooo... I own a 1994 Civic Si as you can see,
but i am a Nissan Fanboy at heart.
I wanna build up my civic to have maybe 200hp but have no clue what to do.
I wanna go turbo, but don't have alot to spend.
I wanna keep it under 5000.
I was thinking about getting forged pistons / rods, and maybe a small turbo, like a t28 or something along those lines.
Anyone ever built up a D16z6 here with tips?

Either do that, or save up my money for a SR20, GT28RS, Exhaust Manifold, Intake Manifold, Fmic, Injectors, Maf, Exhaust, Intake, Tune and everything along those lines and then find a clean 240sx to drop it into.

Please don't flame.
Thanks
-Chase

[badatusrnames]

There are better platforms to dump money into than a Civic IMHO.

Hell, why not even take the money you were going to dump into a car modifying it and see if you can get something that would likely match or outperform it stock?

Do a cost vs. benefit analysis.

[Nissan_Fanboy]

Originally posted by badatusrnames
There are better platforms to dump money into than a Civic IMHO.

Yeah i know, but i'm just so confused on what i wanna do.
I want inspiration to save up money.
Either 240sx, 300zx or r32 ?

[89s1]

you won't need internals to make 200hp turbo.

stock internals are just fine.

[Nissan_Fanboy]

Originally posted by 89s1
you won't need internals to make 200hp turbo.

stock internals are just fine.

But i was thinking about in time increasing the power.
You think just do what is needed for the power?
I've heard people talk about how turbocharging a civic is a waste of time,
But i really wanna start working on something whether it be a SR20 or a B16 or whatever

[badatusrnames]

Originally posted by Nissan_Fanboy
Yeah i know, but i'm just so confused on what i wanna do.
I want inspiration to save up money.
Either 240sx, 300zx or r32 ?

Well, I know for example, that to modify a 300ZX you spend $100 on an intake, $250-500 on an ECU and $800 to $1200 on an exhaust and you've got yourself close to 370 to 400 crank HP... how much would it cost to turbo a civic and get only 200hp? Plus with a better platform you've already got a type of car that's designed to handle that type of power suspension and drive train wise...

Would you be planning to do supporting mods on suspension, braking, transmission (not sure how strong the stock Civic one is), etc?

[Clark-Kent]

Originally posted by badatusrnames


Well, I know for example, that to modify a 300ZX you spend $100 on an intake, $250-500 on an ECU and $800 to $1200 on an exhaust and you've got yourself close to 400 crank HP... how much would it cost to turbo a civic and get only 200hp? Plus with a better platform you've already got a type of car that's designed to handle that type of power suspension and drive train wise...

Yea, but you gotta remember power to weight 200 horse in lets say a civic hatch would still be fast thats a lotta horse in a small car even tho 200 doesnt sound like much it would be in a light civic

[Nissan_Fanboy]

Originally posted by badatusrnames


Well, I know for example, that to modify a 300ZX you spend $100 on an intake, $250-500 on an ECU and $800 to $1200 on an exhaust and you've got yourself close to 400 crank HP... how much would it cost to turbo a civic and get only 200hp? Plus with a better platform you've already got a type of car that's designed to handle that type of power suspension and drive train wise...

True, plus 300zx's are amazing,
I'm either looking at a Z32 or a S13,
Two of my favorite cars.

[510-Trevor]

If you really are a Nissan fanboy, sell the Civic and get a Nissan. Even if it means spending some of the motor money on top of what you get for the Civic. Then take some time and build a motor for the Nissan.
OR
For just over your motor build budget you could go oldschool and get this :drool: : http://forums.beyond.ca/st/264494/fs-1971-datsun-240z/
cool, quick, and Nissan

[badatusrnames]

Originally posted by Clark-Kent


Yea, but you gotta remember power to weight 200 horse in lets say a civic hatch would still be fast thats a lotta horse in a small car even tho 200 doesnt sound like much it would be in a light civic

But FWD? Kia Rio's are light too...

[JTC180]

Chase...Come to the dark side! You know you like it...

[Mr_ET]

it's funny because the 300zx is such a heavy pig it would only be slightly faster at 400hp than a little 94 civic would be with 200.

I agree that it is a better plateform for power but the civic will be much easier to work on which will make the experience more fun.

The civic properly tuned will also probably be more reliable than even a stock 300zx.

Now a 240sx on the other hand, there is no denying that with 5k to spend on the engine you will have a faster car and something RWD is better dynamically than a FWD car.

Here's the question though if you're a Nissan fanboy why did you buy a civic?

[89s1]

I'm in the process of turbocharging my civic right now, slowly collecting parts.

I would honestly try to just do things once. If you're thinking about a t28 and 200 hp, but think you'll want more.

My opinion, get a t3/t4 50 trim .48 A/R (57 trim and .63 A/R if you don't mind a bit more lag and want 400+hp.

Either will easily get the d16z6 making 300 hp. A cast manifold has been shown to make 400+ horsepower so you don't need a $500-1000 topmount or ram-horn manifold.

A really small turbo in a FWD application is kind of a bad idea, the boost builds very fast and the powerband ramps up too sharp, causing tirespin. A larger turbo could easily make more power and yet at the same time give better traction characteristics as the time it takes it to spool gives the wheels a chance to catch up to the build in power/boost.

I'm kinda rambling, and would be happy to try and answer any more specific questions over PM. OR just ask them here, that way if I'm wrong i can be corrected.

[Nissan_Fanboy]

Originally posted by Mr_ET


Here's the question though if you're a Nissan fanboy why did you buy a civic?

Parents are douche bags and wanted something really reliable for first car.
And i only really had like 3000, so it fit right in.
All the 240sx's i saw had Mass amounts of rust, or the seller's were asking way to much.
240sx = OVERPRICED!!!!!

[badatusrnames]

Originally posted by Mr_ET
it's funny because the 300zx is such a heavy pig it would only be slightly faster at 400hp than a little 94 civic would be with 200.

Touche. It looks to be about 1000lbs difference :eek:

But will 200 extra HP more than compensate for those 1000 lbs? I'd think so... What do they say? 20 lbs gained/lost is like losing/gaining one HP? 1000/20 = 50 HP by that logic (not saying it's correct)...

[JTC180]

Originally posted by Nissan_Fanboy


Parents are douche bags and wanted something really reliable for first car.
And i only really had like 3000, so it fit right in.
All the 240sx's i saw had Mass amounts of rust, or the seller's were asking way to much.
240sx = OVERPRICED!!!!!

Chase you know you love S13s...

[Nissan_Fanboy]

Originally posted by badatusrnames


Touche. It looks to be about 1000lbs difference :eek:

But will 200 extra HP more than compensate for those 1000 lbs? I'd think so... What do they say? 20 lbs gained/lost is like losing/gaining one HP? 1000/20 = 50 HP by that logic (not saying it's correct)...
Well if you look at the power to weight ratio, the 300zx even at stock has the civic beat.
2500 / 200 = 12.5
3500 / 300 = 11.6
Closer to 1 the better
example
2000 / 600 = 3.33

[Nissan_Fanboy]

Originally posted by JTC180


Chase you know you love S13s...
Yeah i love them, but people overprice them and it's bullshit.
Like 4500 for a completly stock s13 with bits of rust?
GTFO,
My car has NO rust, got for 3k

[epp01]

HONESTLY the best thing to do, is to keep the honda, don't mod it. Drive it daily and keep it reliable and then build another car on the side, that way you still have the Honda to drive while the Nissan is broken and you have to make parts runs.

[JTC180]

I enjoy my rust free S13 that I paid $6900 for and you love it tooo!

[badatusrnames]

Originally posted by epp01
HONESTLY the best thing to do, is to keep the honda, don't mod it. Drive it daily and keep it reliable and then build another car on the side, that way you still have the Honda to drive while the Nissan is broken and you have to make parts runs.

Haha this might be a plan.

OP, have you considered what you're going to drive in the winter?

[Sorath]

Keep the civic. Nissans are $$$$

[Nissan_Fanboy]

Originally posted by badatusrnames


Haha this might be a plan.

OP, have you considered what you're going to drive in the winter?

Yes, i agree with your post about not modding my Honda,
and i was actually thinking about what you said.
Keep my honda, use it as a winter car. (11 months)
And build up a car on the side and drive as a summer/beyond cruise car. (1 month)
LOLOL

[B4tMan]

or you can buy a nissan with a vq 35 de engine that gives you 270 hp and 250+ lb sq ft

plenty of power and it's a pleasure to drive

[Nissan_Fanboy]

Originally posted by B4tMan
or you can buy a nissan with a vq 35 de engine that gives you 270 hp and 250+ lb sq ft

plenty of power and it's a pleasure to drive
=( Don't got like 30GEEEZZZZ

[JTC180]

Hey you can pick up an early model 350Z for like $15000-18000 now!

[Nissan_Fanboy]

Originally posted by JTC180
Hey you can pick up an early model 350Z for like $15000-18000 now!

I'm 16, no job.
Can i afford that?

[JTC180]

Originally posted by Nissan_Fanboy


I'm 16, no job.
Can i afford that?

No Chase...you live in poverty obviously...

[badatusrnames]

Originally posted by Nissan_Fanboy


I'm 16, no job.
Can i afford that?

Uhh...

[Nissan_Fanboy]

Originally posted by JTC180


No Chase...you live in poverty obviously...

BEDDINGTON!!!
I LIVE IN BEDDINGTON!
That's ghetto for me haha.

Plus my parents don't gimme moneys exept for gas haha

[Nissan_Fanboy]

Originally posted by badatusrnames


Uhh...

LOL,
Im working in the summer,
but i can't find an after school job or weekend job.
Know body will hire me,
I duno why.
I'm not grubby,
Short hair, Nice guy :)

[JTC180]

Its the recession. But give it time Chase. I drove ford Escort ZX2 for my first two years.

[Nissan_Fanboy]

Originally posted by JTC180
Its the recession. But give it time Chase. I drove ford Escort ZX2 for my first two years.

Yee,
and i have driven a EJ1 for 2 months now.

[megafandrew]

Originally posted by Nissan_Fanboy


Yee,
and i have driven a EJ1 for 2 months now.

haha I drove my 94 civic cx hatch for 2 years after high school and have it now still (21 now) Anyways a turbo civic I dont htink alot of these nissan guys on here have ever driven one and even if they have was it a hacked one or... power to weight is awsome and a 200whp hatch is gonna fly pretty damn quick (300whp and your hitting pretty close to 11's Id like to see a 400hp 300 do that) I have driven one myself and they are a ball besides the fwd in 1st/2nd gears. I have also owned a 180sx and that was a sweet car with a slightly bigger gt2878r turbo/fmic/boost control at 10psi or so and that would be enough fun for a summer. I like what the other guys are saying (about keeping it stock, its probally one of the most reliable cars you'll ever own if you take care of basic maintainence) Im thinking of just keeping mine completely stock and driving it until it blows. And then buying a summer car on the side as well. Look into the 5.0 mustang lol. Easy to fix/work on, fairly reliable and strong trans on the 5spds. plus a couple good bolt-ons and your flying with a shitload of torque too!

[Nissan_Fanboy]

Originally posted by megafandrew


haha I drove my 94 civic cx hatch for 2 years after high school and have it now still (21 now) Anyways a turbo civic I dont htink alot of these nissan guys on here have ever driven one and even if they have was it a hacked one or... power to weight is awsome and a 200whp hatch is gonna fly pretty damn quick (300whp and your hitting pretty close to 11's Id like to see a 400hp 300 do that) I have driven one myself and they are a ball besides the fwd in 1st/2nd gears. I have also owned a 180sx and that was a sweet car with a slightly bigger gt2878r turbo/fmic/boost control at 10psi or so and that would be enough fun for a summer. I like what the other guys are saying (about keeping it stock, its probally one of the most reliable cars you'll ever own if you take care of basic maintainence) Im thinking of just keeping mine completely stock and driving it until it blows. And then buying a summer car on the side as well. Look into the 5.0 mustang lol. Easy to fix/work on, fairly reliable and strong trans on the 5spds. plus a couple good bolt-ons and your flying with a shitload of torque too!

Nice man,
I'm really thinking about just keeping the civic as a DD / winter
and building up a 240sx.
But i wanna find a way to make my car unique,
My build car and my civic.
I just don't want to make another 240sx with a sr20.
thats boring.

[WCSilvia]

If your lookin for a decent shell to drop an SR into..look into the states or on Zilvia..you can usually find some cheeeap s13s rust free...cali cars..Gl dude

[B4tMan]

Originally posted by Nissan_Fanboy

=( Don't got like 30GEEEZZZZ
Too bad, I am selling an almost new Altima Coupe for 35 000 :P

Jokes aside, at your age I considered an American car, especially off a lease.
I got lucky when was a kid with a lease return and prices were 30% off the initial value after 3 years, and had luxury and power for barely 14 000 financed at 1.9%

Good luck, hope you get a reliable vehicle that is not bad on gas / insurance

[403ep3]

I say that you should wait till you get money to even think about modding your car. At 16 I don't expect many kids to be modifying unless they have mommy/daddy's money.

Keep the civic and save up your money to buy a nicer car. My first car was a 91 civic DX!!! with 300,000kms ++

Now I have a decent little sir =)

[heavyD]

You are a student with a Civic and $5K? If so sell your Civic and use the money + $5K to buy something relatively quick in stock form. Turbocharging a Honda or playing with old Nissans will end up costing you more money than you will be able to afford in the long run. The only reliable old 90's turbocharged car is the MR2.

[rockanrepublic]

Originally posted by heavyD
You are a student with a Civic and $5K? If so sell your Civic and use the money + $5K to buy something relatively quick in stock form. Turbocharging a Honda or playing with old Nissans will end up costing you more money than you will be able to afford in the long run. The only reliable old 90's turbocharged car is the MR2.
:clap: +1

[YamahaV8]

http://www.d-series.org/

One of the forums in there is completely dedicated to boosting d series engines. Have a read.

[Nissan_Fanboy]

Originally posted by YamahaV8
http://www.d-series.org/

One of the forums in there is completely dedicated to boosting d series engines. Have a read.
Thanks man, will do !