Telus HSDPA

[Suey]

Hey Anyone Know when the New Telus Network is rolling out?

[GoChris]

possible this fall, but until there is an announcement, no one knows.

[TDFTW]

Once in a while when I fuck around with my bb storm i cruise through downtown and see the new hspa network being caught on my phone

[spikerS]

it will probably launch in January, as they have publicly announced that it will be fully launched for the 2010 Vancouver Olympics.

I would advise using the search button as there has already been 4 or 5 threads on this already with dates in them.

[Suey]

i think its completes the Nationwide Coverage by early 2010 for the olympics, but i can be wrong.. just read up saying it might launch in major provinces first like Quebec, Ontario, BC, And AB first and slowly make their around the country

[Carl64]

Rogers LTE is slated for 2010 to I believe.

[KrisYYC]

Will Telus' HSDPA match Rogers current 7.2mbs network? Only to fall behind again when Rogers activates its 21 mbs HSDPA?

As much as Rogers rapes customers like all carriers up here, at least they have the fastest 3G in North America

[Suey]

Not Sure if it will match, but i heard they're skipping GSM, 3rd Generation of 3G so its 3.5G? not sure if thats correct, correct me if im wrong. Also heard it will be at 14.0mb/s

[spikerS]

Originally posted by KrisYYC
Will Telus' HSDPA match Rogers current 7.2mbs network? Only to fall behind again when Rogers activates its 21 mbs HSDPA?

As much as Rogers rapes customers like all carriers up here, at least they have the fastest 3G in North America

No, telus is launching HSPA, which will, by far, blow Rogers out of the water for data speeds. HSPA is also a stop gap as (while not official yet) has been rumored to then have LTE by the end of 2010.

From what I understand, at this point, HSDPA will only allow 15.X down, and rogers for what ever reason is sitting at 7.6 down. When Telus launches HSPA it will allow for the full 15.x down, and when the upgrade to LTE happens, speeds are going to go insane as current testing with LG has shown speeds of 100 down and 50 up :eek:

[scat19]

Sure, it's capable of these wonderful numbers.

Will you EVER see them? Nope.

7.2 down on rogers right now? I get max 1.1. At 3am.

[Mar]

Originally posted by KrisYYC
Will Telus' HSDPA match Rogers current 7.2mbs network? Only to fall behind again when Rogers activates its 21 mbs HSDPA?

As much as Rogers rapes customers like all carriers up here, at least they have the fastest 3G in North America

Telus' EVDO network is 3G, it just stands for third generation, nothing else. It's also faster than Rogers' 3G Rev network.

[KrisYYC]

Originally posted by scat19
Sure, it's capable of these wonderful numbers.

Will you EVER see them? Nope.

7.2 down on rogers right now? I get max 1.1. At 3am.

You're limited by your handset. Not many phones especially phones on the Canadian market can do more than 3.6mbs.

I have a Nokia N85 and I'm getting 3.6mbs (my phones max).

[rage2]

I get this in the middle of the afternoon on Rogers.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/520266985.png

Odd thing about rogers is that all the traffic to sites on the east is faster, wonder if they route everything out east.

Even if Telus can sustain 15mbps, their backbone won't be able to support it. They're congested as shit already.

[Mar]

Wait, is this mobile or residential?

[Carl64]

I think the iPhone 3gs is the only Rogers handset to support the 7.2mpbs HSPA 3g?

I'm not in 3g coverage out here in Hanna but in a few weeks when I get back to Edmonton I will have to check my download speeds.

[cdnsir]

Originally posted by Mar
Wait, is this mobile or residential?

Mobile, these guys are just running speedtest off there handsets. And you're right EVDO is 3G. It's the HSDPA that will be their 3.5G, but will be based on a gsm platform for the first time ever.

[projekz]

So is Telus and Bell going GSM as well? I hope so.

[Mar]

Wait, this is going to be TDMA? Why would they use inferior technology to run a new network? I got to ask them next time I call.

[rage2]

Mobile off iPhone 3GS tethering.

Just ran 'er again.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/542335026.png

Tracert's are bizarre. Path from my phone in Calgary to the Calgary Speedtest servers goes to Vancouver, Toronto and back haha. I'll bet it's a lot faster out of Toronto.


C:\>tracert pcc-yyc-www-02.platinum.ca

Tracing route to pcc-yyc-www-02.platinum.ca [69.31.192.14]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.20.1
2 161 ms 100 ms 101 ms 142.146.247.157
3 96 ms 101 ms 95 ms 142.146.247.241
4 97 ms 99 ms 99 ms 172.25.56.110
5 100 ms 99 ms 98 ms 192.168.1.10
6 97 ms 99 ms 101 ms 192.168.1.18
7 101 ms 99 ms 99 ms 172.25.56.133
8 129 ms 89 ms 100 ms 74.198.148.5
9 101 ms 97 ms 99 ms 24.114.225.69
10 106 ms 102 ms 109 ms gi-1-1-1.gw02.bcvan.phub.net.cable.rogers.com [24.153.4.45]
11 230 ms 197 ms 209 ms so-5-0-2.gw02.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com [24.153.4.82]
12 194 ms 216 ms 217 ms 64.71.240.174
13 200 ms 228 ms 217 ms GE5-2.PEERA-TOROONXN.IP.GROUPTELECOM.NET [66.59.191.41]
14 192 ms 219 ms 213 ms POS2-0.WANA-TOROONXN.IP.GROUPTELECOM.NET [66.59.191.145]
15 246 ms 255 ms 263 ms POS8-0.WANA-CALGAB.IP.GROUPTELECOM.NET [66.59.190.177]
16 239 ms 257 ms 257 ms 216.18.32.2
17 240 ms 251 ms 266 ms pcc-yyc-core-02.platinum.ca [64.42.254.186]
18 258 ms 267 ms 259 ms pcc-yyc-www-02.platinum.ca [69.31.192.14]

Trace complete.

[Suey]

heard that telus's new network is suppose to blow away Rogers and f their monopoly

[GoChris]

September 15th possible according to some new ads.

The Bellus HSPA network will dwarf rogers coverage

[Suey]

Yeah i thought so.. went to watch District 9 and they said "Tuesday, September 15, You'll Know Why" i was like wt does that even mean.. but i thought about it.. so I'm pretty sure it will be that date, Hopefully AB gets the one of the first Coverage of HSPA

[spikerS]

it is a full network roll out coast to coast, rumors are the soft launch is sept 15, but oficially they have announced it will be in time for the olympics.

[afrotl]

Originally posted by Mar
Wait, this is going to be TDMA? Why would they use inferior technology to run a new network? I got to ask them next time I call.
no it is not going to be TDMA or GSM it is HSPDA

[RMS]

Originally posted by afrotl

no it is not going to be TDMA or GSM it is HSPDA :facepalm: HSDPA is GSM. The infrastructure is GSM but the technology is HSPA (High Speed Packet Access) Rogers currently has HSPA which is rated at 7.2Mbps DL and 1.5Mbps UL I believe. It's not going to be the first 3.5G if telus releases theirs. Rogers will launch a faster network with 20mbps DL speed which is not 4G (Lte/WiMax) They just got this network and it's not covered Nationwide as of yet so why would they invest in new technology when they haven't even finished developing their old one.

[projekz]

So does this mean you'll be able to use an unlocked GSM HSDPA phone on Bell/ Telus?

[spikerS]

Originally posted by projekz
So does this mean you'll be able to use an unlocked HSPA phone on Bell/ Telus?

fixed

with the amount of companies making the switch to HSPA, including Vodaphone (the biggest), you can be sure that all of the "must have" phones will be available. There are still a few things in the air, but we shall see what happens in a months time.

[Mar]

Okay but is it TDMA (time division) or CDMA (code division)? I want to know what the encryption is going to be on the packets if any.

[Suey]

I'm Not Sure but they are for sure keeping the CMDA for consumers who don't have phones with the SIM Cards

[projekz]

Originally posted by spikers


fixed

with the amount of companies making the switch to HSPA, including Vodaphone (the biggest), you can be sure that all of the "must have" phones will be available. There are still a few things in the air, but we shall see what happens in a months time.


Thanks for the info. I hope I'll be able to use my unlocked C905 on Bell. That would be awesome.

[Mar]

Originally posted by Suey
I'm Not Sure but they are for sure keeping the CMDA for consumers who don't have phones with the SIM Cards SIM cards? They only work on the European GSM bands, are you saying this network is going to broadcast in 900/1800? What's going to be the broadcasting frequency? What kind of encryption are they using? Anyone know?

[Carl64]

Originally posted by Mar
SIM cards? They only work on the European GSM bands, are you saying this network is going to broadcast in 900/1800? What's going to be the broadcasting frequency? What kind of encryption are they using? Anyone know?

:facepalm: Uhhh, my Rogers iPhone has a SIM card in it. Rogers is GSM.....

[Mar]

Originally posted by Carl64


:facepalm: Uhhh, my Rogers iPhone has a SIM card in it. Rogers is GSM..... I assumed they were allowing only Telus phones on this Telus network.

[Carl64]

Originally posted by Mar
I assumed they were allowing only Telus phones on this Telus network.

Yeah... Like any carrier. I don't see how that equates to the Telus GSM network not having SIM cards? GSM uses SIM cards, both in Europe and America, not just on the European GSM bands like stated in your post.

[Mar]

Originally posted by Carl64


Yeah... Like any carrier. I don't see how that equates to the Telus GSM network not having SIM cards? GSM uses SIM cards, both in Europe and America, not just on the European GSM bands like stated in your post. I have a SIM card in my 8330 but unless this new network runs on the 900/1800 frequencies it won't work. My SIM card isn't set up for 800/1900.

I think I got those numbers right, they might be reversed.

[Carl64]

Originally posted by Mar
I have a SIM card in my 8330 but unless this new network runs on the 900/1800 frequencies it won't work. My SIM card isn't set up for 800/1900.

I think I got those numbers right, they might be reversed.

Ahh! Yeah, current Telus phone with SIMS (World Edition BB's and the Storm) won't connect to a 3g/4g GSM network in North America. You can unlock a storm and use it on Rogers but you only get EDGE.

Sorry, didn't realize you were talking about current Telus phones. Those phones will remain on the CDMA network AFAIK.

[spikerS]

none of the current TELUS phones currently available will work with the new HSPA network.

[ZorroAMG]

We should thank Rogers...I was down in LA this week and AT&T blows goats....so fucking slow.

[scat19]

Originally posted by KrisYYC


You're limited by your handset. Not many phones especially phones on the Canadian market can do more than 3.6mbs.

I have a Nokia N85 and I'm getting 3.6mbs (my phones max).

Did you inquire to which handset I have? I have a 3.5G capable phone.

(iPhone 3G-S)

EDIT - rage, I always try van when i'm in calgary for an accurate test.

If I chose calgary, man.. it's so slow. I'll give an ontario place a shot.

[Suey]

I heard the Frequencies are going to be 2100, i was also told that once the new network rolls out people that have storms can switch from 1XEV to the GSM/UMTS 3G, But they could be wrong.. so don't take my word for it.

[dino_martini]

Alrighty.

Telus/Bell's new HSPA network will soft launch this Autumn (So. Ontario...Vancouver...). It will have a country wide roll out in 2010.

It will run the bands like Rogers so you will have phones like iPhone 3G/s, BlackBerry Bold/Bold 9700/Odin, Nokia E72/N95, etc etc. I'm not saying Bellus will pick up those exact phones, but you will be able to run an unlocked version by popping your sim card in there.

Its going to be interesting.

The Palm Pre is launching on August 27th with bell, and i really want one, but on the other hand waiting for the new network might not be such a bad idea.

[Suey]

So its Official that The New network will be out September 2nd..
First city will be Vancouver. Hopefully Us Albertans get this coverage On the 2nd of September As well..
Full rollout in October

Source : http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/05/27/telus-hspa-soft-launch-on-track-for-september-2nd-full-rollout-expected-in-october/

JuicyStuff! 2nd Last Page
http://gsmworld.com/documents/GSMA_Feb_18_barcelona_-_David_Neale_-_Telus.pdf

[tacsniper]

I think soft launch is now Sept 15, because of the ad in District 9

[STI]

Wasn't there suppose to be a new cellphone carrier sometime this year too?

[dino_martini]

Originally posted by STI
Wasn't there suppose to be a new cellphone carrier sometime this year too?

Globalive (same people behind Yak) will be launching their network. Not too too many details yet. But they did make the first call on their network between Vancouver and Toronto earlier this week I believe.

[dino_martini]

Originally posted by Suey
So its Official that The New network will be out September 2nd..
First city will be Vancouver. Hopefully Us Albertans get this coverage On the 2nd of September As well..
Full rollout in October

Source : http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/05/27/telus-hspa-soft-launch-on-track-for-september-2nd-full-rollout-expected-in-october/

JuicyStuff! 2nd Last Page
http://gsmworld.com/documents/GSMA_Feb_18_barcelona_-_David_Neale_-_Telus.pdf

Those are two fairly old sources, HSDPA could still be on track for a Autumn launch, but no more information has really been leaked.


Originally posted by tacsniper
I think soft launch is now Sept 15, because of the ad in District 9

Some people are now saying it has nothing to do with HSPA at all. Some are saying that Telus could just be launching a cheap movie tuesday thing.

[projekz]

Bump...I tried using my Bell sim card in my unlocked Sony Ericcson and it didn't work. My SE has HSPA and UMTS so I was hoping the network would be ready by now! I guess I'll have to wait a little longer!

[projekz]

Bell has announced that they will be offering the IPhone in November.

[dino_martini]

Originally posted by projekz
Bump...I tried using my Bell sim card in my unlocked Sony Ericcson and it didn't work. My SE has HSPA and UMTS so I was hoping the network would be ready by now! I guess I'll have to wait a little longer!

The network won't be up until November.

[spikerS]

Originally posted by dino_martini


The network won't be up until November.

the network is currently up now in major centers, and people are using it as "testers", hell I have used it, but his GSM sim card is not provisioned for using HSPA in north america as his roaming lists state he should be on bell.

[dino_martini]

Originally posted by spikers


the network is currently up now in major centers, and people are using it as "testers", hell I have used it, but his GSM sim card is not provisioned for using HSPA in north america as his roaming lists state he should be on bell.

Yeah, people are testing on it but its not 'up' IE: open to the public.

And I was just about to say that his sim card wouldn't work any way lol.

[Bumjubeo]

hrmm, my contract is up soon.....maybe I should try and get on this testing in Calgary!

....I wish :)

[Ven]

I'm still as confused as ever...... :banghead:

[spikerS]

Originally posted by Ven
I'm still as confused as ever...... :banghead:

about what? I work for Telus Mobility, and can answer some questions for you. Not all as some may fall under info that I am not allowed to disclose yet, but general questions are fine.

feel free to shoot me a PM.

[dino_martini]

Originally posted by Ven
I'm still as confused as ever...... :banghead:

Alright alright:

Bell and Telus will be launching new networks...like what Rogers/Fido has right now.

That means that Bell and Telus will be running with Sim Cards, and will have phones like the iPhone 3g/3gs, BlackBerry Bold 9000/9700, Nokia N95/N900/N97/E71/E72.

You will not be able to run your first gen iPhone, BlackBerry Curve 8300/8310/8320, BlackBerry Curve 8900, BlackBerry Pearl 8100/8110/8120, or any other 2g/EDGE device on these new networks.

Short version: Bell and Telus will get the iPhone...hurrrayyyy :rofl:

[ZEDGE]

So I have heard that Telus will be offering the HTC Hero (GSM version) in Nov when the new network launches. It will be Calgary and Toronto first. Can anyone confirm this?

http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/10/09/telus.hspa.date.phone.lineup.leaked/

Kind of sounds like we may get the original Euro version too, not the Sprint Hero in the US which is the CDMA version. I kind of prefer the GSM version anyway.

CDMA US versoin:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/09/s_h_main.jpg

GSM version:
http://www.unwiredview.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/HTC-Hero-hands-on-5.jpg

Hot Hero on Hero action. ;)

http://www.cellfanatic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/htc-hero-sprint.jpg

[dino_martini]

From what I've heard is that Telus won't launch their new network until January or so.


The network is 100% built right now and ready to go. The issue is the cell sites have not been tested yet for e911 service.

This testing will not be happening until late Oct Early Nov and take 6 weeks to complete since every tower needs to be tested. After the testing is complete it take another 6-8 weeks for the CRTC to review and sign off on the results.

E911 needs to be 100% up and running on every single cell site before the network can be launched. IF your phone can not be tracked via e911 it makes Telus liable and I doubt they're dumb enough to risk the lawsuits that would follow especially with the CRTC fines ontop of that.

Despite all this, Yes Telus finally inked a deal with Apple to carry the iPhone But it looks like the plan will be to take pre orders for the holiday season and send them out in Jan of '10.



thats jut what ive read. I dont really know for sure. Only time can tell

[spikerS]

it has been confirmed at Telus, the network is launching in November.

[dino_martini]

Originally posted by spikers
it has been confirmed at Telus, the network is launching in November.

whatever you say. I'll believe it when I see it. Only time will tell.

[Speed_69]

Originally posted by dino_martini


whatever you say. I'll believe it when I see it. Only time will tell.

What's so hard to believe? It's no longer a rumour. It's already been confirmed by Telus and Bell that their new network is being released in November. Telus even has on their website that the Iphone 3Gs is coming soon. They wouldn't post that on their website 3 months in advance. :facepalm:

[spikerS]

Originally posted by dino_martini


whatever you say. I'll believe it when I see it. Only time will tell.

and what has been communicated to us:

we can confirm that Telus is launching the iphone 3g and 3gs with the new network in November, and that it will cover 93% of the Canadian population at launch.

[msommers]

Any other phones confirmed they are launching at that time?

[spikerS]

I know of about 6-7 phones, but I don't know if i can say yet, only one I know for sure we can confirm is the Iphone 3G and 3Gs. I will see if we can confirm any others.

[spikerS]

sorry guys, i like my job too much. all i can say is this.


TELUS will continue to offer a compelling selection of devices on both of our 3G networks. Device portfolio will be announced at time of launch.

[blownz]

Any chance you can pm some details...? :D

If not can you at least mention if these 6-7 phones are all going to be out before the end of the year? And how many are smart phones vs regular phones?

[projekz]

So do I need a different sim card than the Bell one I already have in my Storm?

[spikerS]

i cant say how many phones, I don't know the full lineup, but i have seen a few of them.

smart vs reg phones? again, i dont know the full lineup, but there will be some of each.

[spikerS]

Originally posted by projekz
So do I need a different sim card than the Bell one I already have in my Storm?

yes, you will need a new sim card.

[dino_martini]

Originally posted by msommers
Any other phones confirmed they are launching at that time?

iPhone 3g/3gs
Bold 9700
Storm 2
E71
Something Android (Hero, Lancaster (hero + keyboard))
Something Win-mo (Omnia 2, Diamond 2 maybe)

Those are a given. I've heard Samsung Omnia 2 when it comes to WinMo.

As far as dumb phones:
LG BL40 (new chocolate)
Probably Sony Ericsson (C095a, C510a, W760a, etc)
random other devices.

From what I've heard there will be no such thing as an unlimited data plan on the new network. Also tethering will be included in the plans.

[ZEDGE]

Originally posted by spikers
sorry guys, i like my job too much. all i can say is this.



If you get the Hero with a decent plan, just show me where to sign.. :D

[dino_martini]

This is the Bell HSPA phone list, Telus will be very similar I would imagine. Prices are 3 year contract, then no contract price.

LG Xenon: $89.95, $289.95

Samsung Impact: $79.95, $279.95

Samsung Omnia 2: $349.95, $549.95

Apple iPhone 3G 8GB $399.95, $599.95 — probably $149 after in store rebates

Apple iPhone 3GS 16GB: $499.95, $699.95 — probably $199 after in store rebates

Apple iPhone 3GS 32GB: $599.95, $799.95 — probably $299 after in store rebates

BlackBerry Bold 9000: $399.95, $599.95 — probably $149-$199 after in store rebates

BlackBerry 9700: $399.95, $599.95 — probably $249 after in store rebates

Nokia 2730: $29.95, $119.95

Nokia 6350: $49.95, $249.95

[ZEDGE]

No Android phone?

[dino_martini]

Originally posted by ZEDGE
No Android phone?

They will launch android, when I'm not sure.

[GoChris]

Originally posted by ZEDGE
No Android phone?

Ya I'm a bit bummed by that. I think I'll grab an unlocked magic/mytouch 3g and use that on Bell until something better comes along.

[dino_martini]

Originally posted by GoChris


Ya I'm a bit bummed by that. I think I'll grab an unlocked magic/mytouch 3g and use that on Bell until something better comes along.

You will have to buy an unlocked HTC Magic/Dream for it to work on Bell since Bell/Telus have no EDGE network. MyTouch 3g will not work on Bell or Telus

[GoChris]

http://themobileninjas.com/bell-mobilitys-launch-and-future-hspa-devices

yay, android on Bell!

[ZEDGE]

O snap, Galaxy...

Hmmm Hero or Galaxy... :D

[ZEDGE]

LOL

I like Verizons add campaign for the Droid. aka Motorola Sholes

http://www.androidguys.com/2009/10/17/verizon-takes-iphone-directly-on-with-droid-does-campaign-video/

[ZorroAMG]

Love the commercial...reminds me of Cloverfield at the end haha

[spikerS]

announced today! :)


confirmation today that TELUS will have the Bold 9700 in their lineup also with a November launch date

[msommers]

I hope the other providers have sick plans out when Telus offers its new phones. I love bartering with L&R:D

[blownz]

Originally posted by spikers
announced today! :)



That is what I was waiting to here! :clap:

Do you know the cash price yet? $599? More?

[Speed_69]

I'm excited for the Blackberry Bold 9700 :D
90% sure i'm going to be getting this to replace my shitty Pearl.

[spikerS]

Originally posted by blownz


That is what I was waiting to here! :clap:

Do you know the cash price yet? $599? More?

i dont have any info on pricing yet. my best guess is that it will be similar to the curve or world when launched. 3 year contract will prob be something like $299. cash price will prob be 6-700

[blownz]

I guess 600 or 700 the extra 100 makes no difference. I actually just put one on hold at the Telus dealer I use. I was told on Nov 4th they should know the exact dates.

[cdnsir]

The device list for November 5th has surfaced!!!

SOURCE: http://www.intomobile.com/2009/10/26/confirmed-device-list-for-telus-new-hspa-network.html


http://www.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/telus-hspa-devices.jpg

* iPhone 3GS
* HTC Hero
* LG New Chocolate (the BL40)
* BlackBerry Bold 9700
* Nokia E71


Also 3gs pricing...

SOURCE: http://www.stockhouse.com/News/CanadianReleasesDetail.aspx?n=7500681


-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Apple iPhone 3 year term Regular price

------------------------------------------------------------------------
8GB 3G $99.99 $599.99

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16GB 3GS Black or White $199.99 $699.99

------------------------------------------------------------------------
32GB 3GS Black or White $299.99 $799.99

------------------------------------------------------------------------

[msommers]

Thanks dude:)

[luv2ride_bikes]

I called Telus and they have the prices for the phones, just not the plans yet. So if you need to know any of the prices, just give them a call. The iPhone is the obvious prices that Apple sets. So nothing new here.

[captain134]

also I don't know if it has been mentioned yet but Telus is going to go with 21mb/s instead of there planned 7.5. I am not sure if any of the phones support it yet though. I know there new air card will.

[GoChris]

no phones support it yet no.

[ZEDGE]

Originally posted by cdnsir
The device list for November 5th has surfaced!!!

SOURCE: http://www.intomobile.com/2009/10/26/confirmed-device-list-for-telus-new-hspa-network.html


Also 3gs pricing...

SOURCE: http://www.stockhouse.com/News/CanadianReleasesDetail.aspx?n=7500681


Sweet! The Hero is the Euro version. :thumbsup:

No pricing though? Screw the iPhone. ;)

http://www.telusmobility.com/en/AB/network/devices.shtml

[rawsensation]

Hero looks impressive should make a good phone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5F0Ruzwos8

but i'm excited for the BB 9700, anyone gonna give the storm 2 a try ;)

[ZEDGE]

All the pricing is here.

http://themobileninjas.com/offical-telus-hspa-phone-pricing

I hope they have some new plans cause after browsing Telus's site they are pretty shit.. :thumbsdow

[RY213]

$799 for a no-contract iphone 3gs 32gb!? I guess ill cancel my contract, pay the disconnection fee and go to Rogers since they are willing to credit me the price of the phone...

[sneek]

I can't believe you have to get a voice+data plan of $50 or over to get a $99 Chocolate. LOL the phone doesn't even look that good from the launch party videos. Apparently it is pretty thing, and feels cheap.

[GoChris]

I'd rather have the Motorola Sholes (Droid) over the HTC Hero...hm to wait or not.

[msommers]

Has anyone done a new contract + phone purchase online with telus? I'm thinking about getting everything setup plan-wise with L&R over the phone, but I don't know if you need to go into the store when getting the whole shibang.

Also, $249-150 device credit on 3 year = me very :D